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Inna Selez View member profile	13th March 2017, 08:09 PM Post #41
BuzzJack Enthusiast Joined: 7 April 2016 Posts: 863 User: 23,143	QUOTE(Martyn @ Mar 12 2017, 07:44 PM) It's hard to not see this as a cynical ploy for votes on Russia's part Just small reminder with link. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monika_Kuszyńska I hope participation in contest already will be happy time for this girl. But still worried about her. Be strong! This post has been edited by Inna Selez: 13th March 2017, 08:16 PM


AdamAloud View member profile	14th March 2017, 03:30 PM Post #42
I was born 7 million years ago in Sweden, Africa Joined: 4 October 2010 Posts: 13,253 User: 11,955	Jon Ola Sand has said that it is up to the Ukrainian authorities whether Julia can enter the country for Eurovision. This could get very ugly.


Ryan. View member profile	14th March 2017, 03:32 PM Post #43
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 23 December 2010 Posts: 24,411 User: 12,608	That's a poor stance to take from the EBU, this is a singing competition and any singer that plays by the contest's rules as Julia does should be allowed to enter surely? I doubt Julia is going to be any kind of threat to Ukrainian security.


Qassändra View member profile	14th March 2017, 03:44 PM Post #44
DROTTNING! Joined: 15 April 2006 Posts: 63,953 User: 480	She's arguably a political choice in and of herself though, given she's a vocal nationalist who's performed in Crimea post-invasion. This is about as close as the EBU surely ever GETS to saying "you know EXACTLY what you're playing at here"?


callmeDim View member profile	14th March 2017, 03:49 PM Post #45
BuzzJack Enthusiast Joined: 4 June 2014 Posts: 1,432 User: 20,971	apparently that's not that type of hype we want and expect about Eurovision.


LexC View member profile	14th March 2017, 05:55 PM Post #46
Attack Dog/Sass Queen Joined: 29 January 2008 Posts: 16,022 User: 5,342	Jeez, I thought the "I know we just invaded another country and are persecuting gays but omg booing some teenage girls is so mean" strategy was cynically motivated but this is so crystal clear it's almost genius. In fact I'd wager that they probably want to get kicked out so they have that as the marketing but don't need to bother putting the work in/probably can get away without paying a fine.


Umi View member profile	14th March 2017, 06:07 PM Post #47
All I See br29 Joined: 17 August 2011 Posts: 12,907 User: 14,659	QUOTE(Ryan. @ Mar 14 2017, 03:32 PM) That's a poor stance to take from the EBU, this is a singing competition and any singer that plays by the contest's rules as Julia does should be allowed to enter surely? I doubt Julia is going to be any kind of threat to Ukrainian security. The only other thing they could really advocate for would be moving the contest, though. If Ukraine don't allow her in the country then it's not the EBU's place to force that issue and her selection in the first place is what makes this more than a singing competition so the EBU really can't blame Ukraine for politicising this.


Jerick View member profile	14th March 2017, 06:24 PM Post #48
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 24 July 2008 Posts: 9,491 User: 6,716	Russia made Georgia back down for 'We Don't Wanna Put In', I personally think it's about time they taste their own medicin. Ban her and make them change their entry (and hopefully they will withdrew)


Inna Selez View member profile	14th March 2017, 08:49 PM Post #49
BuzzJack Enthusiast Joined: 7 April 2016 Posts: 863 User: 23,143	QUOTE(Jerick @ Mar 14 2017, 06:24 PM) Russia made Georgia back down for 'We Don't Wanna Put In', I personally think it's about time they taste their own medicin. Ban her and make them change their entry (and hopefully they will withdrew) Oh come on! There is 2 different situation.


Hayzayy View member profile	14th March 2017, 09:24 PM Post #50
Who's Daniel btw ? Joined: 28 October 2006 Posts: 15,594 User: 1,804	Julia for the win I don't endorse Russian politics and her voice is kind of weak but I can't get that melody out of my head since yesterday She reminds me of that Austrian entry from last year (Zoe or something).


Jerick View member profile	14th March 2017, 09:43 PM Post #51
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 24 July 2008 Posts: 9,491 User: 6,716	QUOTE(Inna Selez @ Mar 14 2017, 09:49 PM) Oh come on! There is 2 different situation. Maybe, but not entirely diffrent. Both situations were done with the sole purpose to provoke and make conflict. Political actions should be punished, with either a fine or a ban. In this case I think the EBU should ask Russia to change their artist to avoid political situations with the Ukrainians, like the EBU asked the Georgians to change their entry in 2009. If they don't want to, they should withdrew, just like Georgia ended up doing.


p a v View member profile	14th March 2017, 09:46 PM Post #52
thanks for being a sarcy lil bitch Joined: 25 September 2007 Posts: 79,278 User: 4,397	Thing is, the Georgian entry broke the Eurovision rules while this crapfest of a song didn't. So two completely different situations. Therefore, on what grounds will they ask Russia to change the entry?


Jerick View member profile	14th March 2017, 09:57 PM Post #53
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 24 July 2008 Posts: 9,491 User: 6,716	QUOTE(Conderella @ Mar 14 2017, 10:46 PM) Thing is, the Georgian entry broke the Eurovision rules while this crapfest of a song didn't. So two completely different situations. Therefore, on what grounds will they ask Russia to change the entry? I know, two very diffrent situations done with the same intention! One broke the rules, the other didn't and that's not fair. Therefore the EBU should ask Russia to change artist to avoid problems with Ukrainian law.


p a v View member profile	15th March 2017, 05:46 AM Post #54
thanks for being a sarcy lil bitch Joined: 25 September 2007 Posts: 79,278 User: 4,397	I'm afraid the 'that's not fair!1' argument can't stand on its own and isn't reason enough. Yes this is very cynical and they may be using Julia to make people feel sorry for her and therefore avoid boos and stuff but will that change anything on the whole? I don't think so. The situation with the list is a bit iffy but hell when have Russia been transparent and a team player?


Jerick View member profile	15th March 2017, 05:36 PM Post #55
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 24 July 2008 Posts: 9,491 User: 6,716	It's the EBU, I think they can do whatever they want. They are after all the producer of this show. If EBU will allow an artist that clearly accept the invasion of Crimea to perform in Eurovision, that will make them look like they accept it aswell. When thst's said, Julia will have problems entering Ukraine anyway with the ban list.


Inna Selez View member profile	15th March 2017, 08:03 PM Post #56
BuzzJack Enthusiast Joined: 7 April 2016 Posts: 863 User: 23,143	QUOTE(Jerick @ Mar 15 2017, 05:36 PM) It's the EBU, I think they can do whatever they want. They are after all the producer of this show. If EBU will allow an artist that clearly accept the invasion of Crimea to perform in Eurovision, that will make them look like they accept it aswell. When thst's said, Julia will have problems entering Ukraine anyway with the ban list. Ban list in 21 century? She is just a singer! Where is european tolerance and freedom?


callmeDim View member profile	15th March 2017, 08:33 PM Post #57
BuzzJack Enthusiast Joined: 4 June 2014 Posts: 1,432 User: 20,971	QUOTE(Inna Selez @ Mar 16 2017, 01:03 AM) Where is european tolerance and freedom? Oh hello, it's Double Standards calling. Btw I can understand the situation with "breaking some Ukrainian laws" but come on - what laws are you talkin about when your country is so unstable? Which areas do you pay attention for when some shit's going on inside? This controversy should end up ASAP.


Jerick View member profile	15th March 2017, 08:38 PM Post #58
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 24 July 2008 Posts: 9,491 User: 6,716	QUOTE(Inna Selez @ Mar 15 2017, 09:03 PM) Ban list in 21 century? She is just a singer! Where is european tolerance and freedom? Singers and artists have an huge influence on people, so she isn't just a singer. And until she publicly take a distance from the invasion of Crimea, she shouldn't be a part of a contest that is ment to unite Europeans. Russia is the biggest threat to European tolerance and freedom.


p a v View member profile	15th March 2017, 10:13 PM Post #59
thanks for being a sarcy lil bitch Joined: 25 September 2007 Posts: 79,278 User: 4,397	All I am saying is that she isn't singing about how good it is Crimea is now part of Russia once again. I am sure at least SOME artists participating this year have publicly stated their stance on some controversial political issue. It's got nothing to do with Eurovision.


Hayzayy View member profile	16th March 2017, 01:39 PM Post #60
Who's Daniel btw ? Joined: 28 October 2006 Posts: 15,594 User: 1,804	QUOTE(Conderella @ Mar 15 2017, 10:13 PM) All I am saying is that she isn't singing about how good it is Crimea is now part of Russia once again. I am sure at least SOME artists participating this year have publicly stated their stance on some controversial political issue. It's got nothing to do with Eurovision. True! But I guess the problem is that she positioned herself on a controversial issue concerning the invasion of the hosting country Then again, the song has nothing to do with it, but I feel like the problem is more about Ukranian authorities not accepting her to get into the country, it's not a matter of the Eurovision council banning her song whatsoever. That's two different subjects.