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28th February 2016, 03:53 PM
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BuzzJack Enthusiast
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I was a BSB fan (actually a Nick Carter fan when I was a kid, shamefully ), but the last I heard from them was when they released Incomplete. I know they have released stuff since then, but I honestly can't name one single song of theirs from this era. Personally, for me, BSB are a teenage crush and nothing more. Certainly, I can't say any of their songs holds a deep meaning for me. They probably were the biggest boyband in the world at one point, but right now, I think they're exclusively a USA phenomenon. But I could be wrong and maybe the rest of Europe has kept the pace with them.
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28th February 2016, 05:08 PM
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I liked Backstreet Boys (though much preferred NSYNC). I found the two of them stuck in a sound and formula however and they never challenged themselves. Even as a young boyband all TT albums were different with songs and styles ranging across a whole host of genres.
BSB last album In a World Like This in 2013 sold 800,000 copies Worldwide. As far as Europe is concerned the album went to #1 in the Netherlands and Switzerland (1-12 drop) however it holds the unfortunate accolade of #1 with fewest weeks on chart for both Holland/Switzerland and wasn't a huge seller. No certifications in any European nation for that album. Bear in mind the last album was also hyped as a reunion record with Kevin returning. Albums before then as a four have struggled across Europe. Only in Germany, Netherlands and Switzerland were those two 4 man BSB albums top ten. The latest reunion album also went top ten in Spain, Germany (#3 unknown chart run but 6 weeks in top 100), Austria (8-48 big drop) and Norway (8-40+ big drop). Their biggest fall in popularity as far as Europe is concerned compared to their glory days appears to be Italy, Sweden, Denmark, Ireland (#81 last record) and France (#144 last record). UK they are still charting similar positions for albums (11-40 normally) but aren't anywhere near the sales they used to have. It will be very interesting to see where a new album charts in Europe for them. I'm guessing possibly another high first week charting and then major free fall down charts. Singles wise they haven't had a hit across Europe since Incomplete in 2005. Going back to Westlife I think the hardest thing for a Westlife fan in Britain from my experience to take is the fact TT overtook them on album and singles sales. Another thing is the fact TT have critical and general acclaim from critics and the public which Westlife regardless of sales have never had. I don't think Westlife could have foreseen TT coming back and becoming the biggest selling boyband of all time in the UK. Remember before Take That came back in 2005 Westlife were MILLIONS of UK records sold ahead of Boyzone and the rest TT included and quite possibly thought this would never be caught in Britain or at least not so soon. No one could have predicted TT would have x4 2 million plus selling albums in Britain. UK album sales (minimum millions based on certification which in UK is sales) 1.Take That 13.3 (TT 3.3 million albums sold in 90's) 2.Westlife 11.7 3.Boyzone 6 4.One Direction/Blue 3.3 5.JLS 2.3 BSB 1.5 NSYNC 200,000 This post has been edited by nirvanamusic: 28th February 2016, 05:45 PM |
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29th February 2016, 03:33 PM
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I had believed Take That had higher UK album sales. I had believed the 13 million was since they reformed. Combined Beautiful World and The Ultimate Collection account for almost 5 million.
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29th February 2016, 04:22 PM
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They all have higher album sales this is minimum based on certifications which in UK are sales. So III being platinum 300,000 was added to Everything Changes 4x Plat 1.2 mill and all certified albums etc.
All of them have sold more than above but this is the minimum number of albums they have sold based on certs. *Updated when new certs achieved* Take That Take That & Party - 600,000 Everything Changes - 1.2 mill Nobody Else - 600,000 Greatest Hits - 900,000 Never Forget - Ultimate Collection - 2.4 mill The Platinum Collection - 60,000 Beautiful World - 2.7 mill The Circus - 2.1 mill Greatest Day Live - 300,000 Progress - 2.4 mill Progress Live - 100,000 III - 300,000 Wonderland - 100,000 Total = 13.7 million minimum (8.2 Robbie involvement / 5.5 without) Westlife Westlife - 1.5 mill Coast to Coast - 1.8 mill World of Our Own - 1.2 mill Unbreakable Greatest Hits - 1.8 mill Turnaround - 600,000 Allow Us to be Frank - 600,000 Face To Face - 1.2 mill Love Album - 900,000 Back Home - 900,000 Where We Are - 600,000 Gravity - 300,000 Greatest Hits - 600,000 Total = 12 million minimum (7.5 Brian involvement / 4.5 without) This post has been edited by nirvanamusic: 18th August 2018, 02:42 PM |
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29th February 2016, 07:21 PM
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From estimates and knowledge i got from other places i will add the sales i think the albums have achieved in reality.
Take That & Party - 600,000 Everything Changes - 1.2 mill Nobody Else - 600,000 Greatest Hits - 900,000 (1.1 million) Never Forget - Ultimate Collection - 2.1 mill (2.3 million) The Platinum Collection - 60,000 Beautiful World - 2.7 mill The Circus - 2.1 mill Greatest Day Live - 300,000 (700,000) Progress - 2.4 mill Progress Live - 100,000 III - 300,000 (540,000) |
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29th February 2016, 08:26 PM
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That seems all good except Greatest Day live the British certs are automatic and that album isn't two times platinum meaning sales of 600,000 so it can't be 700,000 I would say 550,000 possibly.
Take That & Party has been only 30,000 away from 3x plat (900,000) for years. Clearly though people bought The Platinum Collection which went silver (60,000) and that was the three first studio albums all together that collection. This post has been edited by nirvanamusic: 29th February 2016, 09:12 PM |
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29th February 2016, 10:30 PM
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I am surprised The Platinum Collection has sold that much, its much higher than i thought, considering it was a release that never charted. It is news that i welcome. If i remember correctly, Greatest Day live was released the same time as Where We Are By Westlife. I firmly remember thinking how great it was for a live release by Take That to outsell a new studio release from Westlife.
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1st March 2016, 06:51 PM
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Progress live has sold 220k, Nobody Else is on 680k, BW is 2.9m and Circus is 2.2m.
Also remember reading somewhere that everything changes has sold 1.4m |
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1st March 2016, 08:19 PM
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It would be great if Take That & Party and Everything Changes crept over to next cert so it is clear to see on database. I don't think anyone is buying either individually but both are so close to being recognised higher sales.
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2nd March 2016, 01:38 PM
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Speaking of Westlife Keith from Boyzone and Bryan of Westlife have announced a tour of Boyzlife with potential members of both groups coming on board. It worked for McBusted but am unsure if this will be a success.
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2nd March 2016, 03:47 PM
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Speaking of Westlife Keith from Boyzone and Bryan of Westlife have announced a tour of Boyzlife with potential members of both groups coming on board. It worked for McBusted but am unsure if this will be a success. This is just too weird - what are they gonna sing, who'll take the lead? They could sing Boyzone songs, cause Westlife are used to covers I know, I know, that was mean Aside from the fans, the rest of the world will perceive this as the ultimate act of desperation. That's another reason I like TT for: they have revolving doors only for the founding members - it's either them or nobody. |
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2nd March 2016, 04:20 PM
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I agree it reeks of desperation especially considering only one of each group is involved. I also think it will harm any chance Westlife want of a 10 year TT style reunion. If their name is already associated with something that isn't a success (this may be though) then it's already lowering them before a potential triumphant return.
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2nd March 2016, 07:21 PM
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Oh gosh, what were they thinking!
Love the covers comment Milly |
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3rd March 2016, 04:22 PM
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It sounds like a disaster if only some of them join in. That said, i dont believe it is true, Westlife would make great money alone from a re-union concert as they have yet to do it. Boyzone have on the other hand done so.
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3rd March 2016, 05:52 PM
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It's only 2 of them, pippa. This sounds like a car crash, no matter how many members get involved, imo.
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4th March 2016, 05:22 PM
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Take That and One Direction would be the way to go. It would be called Take Direction and feature Jason Orange and Zahn Malik.
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4th March 2016, 05:56 PM
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5th March 2016, 02:54 AM
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does anyone know what TT are doing in Bangkok and Singapore. I saw tweets about Mark and I knew they were going, but I did not see anything about a gig not even in the TT FB group. Maybe it was a private gig?
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5th March 2016, 05:28 AM
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It was a proper gig, Elisabeth. The Singapore gig was announced in January, if I remember correctly and the Bankok one in February.
Take That were received very well in Bangkok and they got an amazing review for their gig. |
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5th March 2016, 12:08 PM
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thanks milly, was it a huge or intimate gig in Bangkok, as rhe tt groups I am in not even mention it. I like that they did ir anyway
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