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Posted by: Klaus Aug 7 2019, 08:07 PM
Three part series on Channel 4 now all about the rise, fall and rise of Jade Goody.
Will certainly be an interesting watch for any Big Brother fan, reality TV fan or reality TV sceptic.
She was amongst the first every day person catapulted into enormous stardom from reality TV. She wasn’t particularly known for, let’s say her intelligence but was adored by many and then saw the tide turn against her when she want back into the show that made her. Her later life brought huge exposure for cervical cancer screenings for young people.
As an aside, interesting for Channel 4 to recognise Big Brother again
Posted by: Mack. Aug 7 2019, 08:11 PM
An unforgettable Big Brother housemate, the ultimate.
Posted by: Mack. Aug 7 2019, 08:19 PM
Wow, the headlines from the Mirror and that Graham Norton clip... Blimey.
Posted by: Jordan Lee Aug 7 2019, 10:01 PM
This was so shocking!!
I was too young to really remember BB3 as I was like 7 when it aired so I never watched it at the time it was actually on TV but some of those headlines were SHOCKING
Like imagine if today some journalist was writing about Love Island stars.
Was a really interesting watch though. I’m sad watching it though 
I never really thought she was a racist and thought the issue was more based on class. Jo and Danielle were also far worse at the bullying yet never got a quarter of the blame Jade did!
Posted by: Aaron. Aug 7 2019, 10:04 PM
This just popped up on my to-watch list and I was coming to post here.
BB3 was my first international RTV show and Jade certainly stood out. I pretty much followed her career from there.
I was devastated when she past. Will give this a watch tonight and will probably bawl.
Posted by: Mack. Aug 7 2019, 10:07 PM
Kevin O'Sullivan didn't even look apologetic looking back on what he wrote. Indeed shocked at the media coverage she had when she was in the house.
Posted by: Liаm Aug 7 2019, 10:17 PM
Can't wait to watch this tomorrow!
That's a big part of what makes her story really sad for me, obviously Jo and Danielle weren't exactly ladies or viscountesses but Jade came from pretty much the lowest of the underclass and I genuinely don't think she was racist, it was just Shilpa was from a different background not culturally as such but economically and they clashed in that respect. She was lacking in cultural capital to deal with the situations she found herself in, both in BB3, afterwards and in CBB. That's part of what made her such a fascinating, real and relatable character, but it's also part of what makes her a tragic figure with how things went down and how she was treated.
That's not saying that some things she said to and about Shilpa weren't horrible, but she genuinely seemed sorry and was working to make amends and show that she was sorry. Danielle never really seemed to react and Jo just did the whole "I've got Indian people in my extended family I can't be racist". It's a real shame that the last bit of her life was dogged by her being hated so much in a way that was imo disproportionate to what she did compared to the way Jade and Jo were treated, it's tragic to have seen her career go full circle and end up back to being reviled by the media like she was at the start of BB3. I would have liked to have seen where her career might have gone after she had made amends if she hadn't passed before she really had a chance to try and rebuild her career.
Posted by: ElectroBoy Aug 7 2019, 10:34 PM
I haven't seen this yet; however I remember the headlines during BB3 and the whole 'pig' things too. However I remember by the end of BB3 she had turned it around massively and Graham Norton was championing her. However given everything thats happened these days with LI stars etc, the headlines that Jade got were horrific and would never be allowed now
I also remember her going on Back to Reality on Channel 5 (I can't remember if that pre, or post race row), but she collapsed on there and was rushed to hospital, before returning to the house. But it was probably an early sign of everything else that was going on health-wise.
Jade wasn't perfect and I guess that was her charm. Not always likeable, but very identifiable. Definitely need to watch this though as I must've been late teens when she initially rose to fame... in fact BB3 being over 15 years ago feels very strange
Posted by: Jordan Lee Aug 7 2019, 11:01 PM
That's a big part of what makes her story really sad for me, obviously Jo and Danielle weren't exactly ladies or viscountesses but Jade came from pretty much the lowest of the underclass and I genuinely don't think she was racist, it was just Shilpa was from a different background not culturally as such but economically and they clashed in that respect. She was lacking in cultural capital to deal with the situations she found herself in, both in BB3, afterwards and in CBB. That's part of what made her such a fascinating, real and relatable character, but it's also part of what makes her a tragic figure with how things went down and how she was treated.
That's not saying that some things she said to and about Shilpa weren't horrible, but she genuinely seemed sorry and was working to make amends and show that she was sorry. Danielle never really seemed to react and Jo just did the whole "I've got Indian people in my extended family I can't be racist". It's a real shame that the last bit of her life was dogged by her being hated so much in a way that was imo disproportionate to what she did compared to the way Jade and Jo were treated, it's tragic to have seen her career go full circle and end up back to being reviled by the media like she was at the start of BB3. I would have liked to have seen where her career might have gone after she had made amends if she hadn't passed before she really had a chance to try and rebuild her career.
That’s so many good points there what I agree with. I watched BB3 years after it actually aired and she was TV Gold. I really do see her as marmite like there were times I laughed and cringed at her and times I was just thinking oh god 👀 but she was just real and herself and we see a lot of people now on shows deliberately acting like she did. I think her not winning as well probably helped her to become a big star too as she had like an underdog feel about her.
With CBB Jade definitely made amends more than the other two and showed what I felt was like genuine remorse as well. I watched her BBLB interview and the eviction one and I feel she was just so taken aback and shocked by what she was being perceived as. But she also sort of owned her s*** too like she was pretty out of order but not racist. I feel it was perhaps sort of envy as she may have wished she’d had a life like Shilpas growing up.
Danielle was the worst I’d say and was the one who actually made comments what could have been seen as racist too.
Jo and Danielle had already come across in a bad light before Jade even entered as well as Jade entered after the launch didn’t she.
But yeah for her go to in the Indian version was a brave move and could’ve been a real turning point for her had she had a full stint in the house if what happened didn’t happen
Posted by: Aaron. Aug 8 2019, 12:34 AM
Just gave this a watch. Really well done. 3 Parts to this is perfect.
I lost it when Davina came on the screen. Absolutely tied to Ultimate Big Brother and the segment they dedicated to Jade.
I loved that they had PJ and Alex as well. Poor Jackie tho.
Posted by: Martyn Aug 8 2019, 06:51 AM
It's not even that he seemed proud of it. Which is so much worse. He also seemed to imply he should still be able to write things like that.
Posted by: Klaus Aug 8 2019, 08:11 AM
It’s crazy looking back and seeing how much the landscape has now changed. The tabloids are still as horrendous as ever but I didn’t appreciate there was an lower level that they used to stoop to (not taking into account phone hacking).
The exclusive Big Brother interviews in Heat I remember always being massive as well but of course now everything is just immediate and all over the internet and, in particular, we know everything about what a famous person is doing by insta.
Posted by: Spiceboy Aug 8 2019, 05:31 PM
I’m not a fan of Jade at all tbh, I mean racist or not she was certainly a bully and I have no time for bullies whatsoever. But I do think the press she received at the beginning of her BB career was shocking, really vile. It was around the time that Spice Girls (particularly Victoria) were also being treated in the most vile hideous way. With the focus on mental health now I don’t think people suffer the same level of bullying from the media as back then which was horrendous.
Posted by: Jordan Lee Aug 8 2019, 06:24 PM
Social Media trolling is probably the equivalent to that now. Like the press are a bit nicer now but the stuff the press used to say / do now happens online.
Like in that time there wasn’t sites like Facebook, Instagram, Twitter etc or YouTube where a lot of reaction videos gear towards hate on people.
Posted by: King Rollo Aug 10 2019, 10:05 AM
Saw this last night. I watched the whole of BB3 at the time so those clips brought back memories. That poor house/rich house task with the metal railings dividing the living room went on for weeks. We sadly didn't get to see a replay of Sandy urinating in the bin before climbing over the wall. I was surprised at the time that Jade was first out on the final night. She'd built up a lot of support by the end and I thought she'd win more votes than at least one of the other three.
Graham Norton's show was on five nights a week at about 11pm and he had Jade on three or four times after she came out.
I'm looking forward to part 2 now,it will be interesting to see which of the housemates from CBB agreed to appear on the documentary to comment on what happened.
Posted by: ElectroBoy Aug 10 2019, 11:58 AM
Just having a look she picked up 20% of the vote, which given how hated she was for the majority of BB3 was a fantastic showing. That final was close between all 4 of the finalists. I think had the show been 1 week longer, then she probably would've won overall
Posted by: Klaus Aug 14 2019, 09:12 PM
This continues to be such an interesting watch. At the tine, I feel I was too young to appreciate the difference in class and particularly how that servant task was probably one of the most psychological tests of the entire BB series, to the point where it’s quite harmful and perhaps trying to make a mockery of Jade and her family?? I do remember not understanding why Jack and Jackiet also entered and I’m still don’t understand why now. She might have fared better without them.
The show may have both made and ‘ended’ her career but I still believe that series also killed Big Brother as a show. Of course it was only axed (again) last year but it was never seen in the same light again and turned from the big guilty pleasure mainstream watercooler hit (a la Love Island) to ‘oh, you still watching that?’
It’s interesting to see the reactions from her celeb housemates in her being there in the Celebrity house when you consider that the house become overrun with reality TV stars, particularly in the later days.
Posted by: lewistgreen Aug 14 2019, 10:12 PM
That was an interesting watch this week and good to see them giving the entire episode to the CBB stint and its impact. It really was a turning point for Jade - That News of the World interview was hard to watch.
Posted by: JosephAvery Aug 14 2019, 10:48 PM
I never watched the CBB episode at the time so I've learnt about it as the years have gone by. This was the first time I saw some of the footage as well as learning about the context in terms of Jade's life, and it was uncomfortable. The comments were below the belt and unquestionably racist (class seemed to be used as an excuse, I expect if Shilpa were a white woman in that position it wouldn't be such an issue). Having Jackiey and Jack in there felt... wrong, too. I agreed with one of the comments an interviewee made - it was made to be Jade's home, with her family, where she could say what she wanted because she was so important.
It's also so interesting to see just how quickly public opinion can shift (and rightly so). Going from being so well loved to absolutely detested, and the crazy thing was how she had no idea what was going on outside the house.
Posted by: Spiceboy Aug 14 2019, 11:19 PM
Like in that time there wasn’t sites like Facebook, Instagram, Twitter etc or YouTube where a lot of reaction videos gear towards hate on people.
This is very true, spot on!
Posted by: Spiceboy Aug 14 2019, 11:31 PM
A really interesting watch. I feel they were kind of right about the class divide in the house and the way the task was set kind of highlighted that in some ways. Jade was in a sense BB royalty 'Queen of the house' if you like, and it was so interesting to see the reactions of other housemates to that again (I had somewhat forgotten all these years later). The two singers really did themselves no favours at all both were up themselves and Ken Russell was also an idiot. I do feel having her mum in there did her no favours at all. I mean seriously I'd forgotten about the "Shippa or whatever your name is..." Seriously wtf how many times did they tell her the name was SHILPA it was ridiculous. Jackie stirred up lots of bad feeling, which Jade very much tried to keep a handle on, and then the way Big Brother chucked her out I think it just shifted something in Jade... I think Jade would have fared much better had she gone in by herself tbh I'm not sure the whole bad feeling would have been stirred up in the way it was.
I will say though the 3 girls were racist, there's no getting away from that, some of the language they used, some of the things they said (especially Danielle - "she can't even speak English properly go back to your own country") but I don't think Jade herself was necessarily intentionally racist. She was ignorant and not very clever (despite all last week being about how smart Jade was etc she really wasn't) and she wasn't intelligent enough to know what she was saying and encouraging was racist. She was however a bully, her Jo and Danielle were like a bunch of mean high school girls with Jade being the ringleader and Jo and Danielle propping her up all the way, it was horrid to watch back in the day and uncomfortable viewing again with some of the clips tonight. I do find it ironic however that the UK is the most racist it has ever been right now. Seriously all the bad feeling stirred up about 'foreigners' as part of the Leave campaign, and the blatant racism against the muslim community in the Daily Mail, The Sun, The Daily Mirror it's just horrendous and yet nobody seems to notice that.
I'm not sure how I feel about the whole thing tbh. I do think Jade was a bit of a victim of the show and the media tbh and I do feel a bit sorry for her, but at the same time I find it hard to have real sympathy for her because I feel like we saw a side of her that clearly was her. In actual fact that was her own fault for acting so grossly to another person, I find it hard to really have sympathy for those people.
Posted by: Cqmerqn Aug 17 2019, 03:24 PM
1st episode: 1.4m
2nd episode: 1.2m
I'm not sure if those are good ratings, but really liking this series.
Posted by: pippa Aug 19 2019, 07:08 PM
I never felt Jade was racist in the fallout with Shilpa, and while it could look that way i 100% feel it was not intended.
Jade and Shilpa simply did not see eye to eye which was nothing to do with race, they both had 2 very different backgrounds and upbringings.
Jade would have had such a better run in the Celebrity house had she entered alone, as from the moment they entered there was some people in their just looking down their noses at them.
The story of Jade is so tragic, it was an incredible journey for her and it all ended so abruptly and so young.
Posted by: lewistgreen Aug 19 2019, 08:01 PM
2nd episode: 1.2m
I'm not sure if those are good ratings, but really liking this series.
That’s pretty good for Channel 4!
Posted by: Jαsє Aug 19 2019, 08:18 PM
The last episode is gonna be such a tear-jerker
Posted by: Liаm Aug 19 2019, 10:00 PM
Jade and Shilpa simply did not see eye to eye which was nothing to do with race, they both had 2 very different backgrounds and upbringings.
Jade would have had such a better run in the Celebrity house had she entered alone, as from the moment they entered there was some people in their just looking down their noses at them.
The story of Jade is so tragic, it was an incredible journey for her and it all ended so abruptly and so young.
Exactly! For me it's the way she was genuinely sorry and tried to make amends, for example going into Indian Big Brother. That spoke volumes compared to the lack of apologies or understanding from Danielle and Jo.
It feels to me, not to excuse or explain away racism, that it was a case of background and Jade had soaked up a way of reacting to those from wildly different backgrounds or cultures from her mother and others around her - that was one of ignorant racist comments. Again not excusing it at all, but setting up a divide and playing with the dynamics like that was kind of asking for *something* to happen, it was like a pressure cooker with all the wrong ingredients that was going to blow sooner rather than later. I don't think anyone could have foresaw anything close to what happened coming though :/
Shilpa's "your claim to fame is this - GOOD FOR YOU" is the most iconic clapback ever tho tbh *.*
Posted by: TheJüpreme Aug 20 2019, 08:44 AM
I will say though the 3 girls were racist, there's no getting away from that, some of the language they used, some of the things they said (especially Danielle - "she can't even speak English properly go back to your own country") but I don't think Jade herself was necessarily intentionally racist. She was ignorant and not very clever (despite all last week being about how smart Jade was etc she really wasn't) and she wasn't intelligent enough to know what she was saying and encouraging was racist. She was however a bully, her Jo and Danielle were like a bunch of mean high school girls with Jade being the ringleader and Jo and Danielle propping her up all the way, it was horrid to watch back in the day and uncomfortable viewing again with some of the clips tonight. I do find it ironic however that the UK is the most racist it has ever been right now. Seriously all the bad feeling stirred up about 'foreigners' as part of the Leave campaign, and the blatant racism against the muslim community in the Daily Mail, The Sun, The Daily Mirror it's just horrendous and yet nobody seems to notice that.
I'm not sure how I feel about the whole thing tbh. I do think Jade was a bit of a victim of the show and the media tbh and I do feel a bit sorry for her, but at the same time I find it hard to have real sympathy for her because I feel like we saw a side of her that clearly was her. In actual fact that was her own fault for acting so grossly to another person, I find it hard to really have sympathy for those people.
100% agree with this
Posted by: Mack. Aug 21 2019, 08:13 PM
They really should have let Jade out immediately following the news. Something like that should not have been filmed at all.
Posted by: lewistgreen Aug 21 2019, 08:13 PM
OH MY GOD. I knew she found out whilst in BB in India but I had not remembered that they’d broadcast the whole thing; really unacceptable tbh.
Posted by: Mack. Aug 21 2019, 08:20 PM
Less of that nonce Max Clifford please who has a lot to answer for.
Posted by: Mack. Aug 21 2019, 08:40 PM
