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 19th July 2018, 07:19 AM
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Black Panther is just an album made to sell and promote the film. Like Fifty Shades, Twilight, Hunger Games etc.. it literally has 3 songs or something that are actually in the film. It's just a cash in on that franchise, I think it's fair that musicals all fall under the "Cast of..." banner to chart in the artists chart, personally.
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19th July 2018, 09:48 AM
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Introducing ACR on the albums chart would be the final straw imho, totally unnecessary. Its made a mess of chart runs on the singles chart and made a mockery of what its actually meant to represent.
Whilst I also frown on the OCC's random inclusion of soundtracks to the albums chart. It can't be knocked if its been no1 for numerous weeks because its popular, even though I don't like it or see the appeal whatsoever. Album sales being at record low levels is just encouraging longer running spells at no1 as when a big album comes out its able to use sit there by default for weeks, e.g Ed Sheeran last year. They should have a rule that songs that are promoted as official singles are only counted towards the singles chart and therefore other songs are counted towards the album. Any subsequent singles should be then counted as such once they are announced. I reckon this would solve so many issues and is far less complicated than their current three track rule and may help post album releases be able to suddenly vault up the chart. |
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19th July 2018, 10:02 AM
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QUOTE(Supercell @ Jul 19 2018, 10:48 AM)  They should have a rule that songs that are promoted as official singles are only counted towards the singles chart and therefore other songs are counted towards the album. Any subsequent singles should be then counted as such once they are announced. I reckon this would solve so many issues and is far less complicated than their current three track rule and may help post album releases be able to suddenly vault up the chart. there is just one big problem with that rule I just thought. I'm not sure if Drake's 'In My Feelings' is classed as an official single in the UK yet ('Don't Matter To Me' was decided to be the next single before IMF really took off), but it's going to be this week's #1 by some way. would be unfair if the streams of that song weren't counted.otherwise it's better idea than the 3 track rule we have now. |
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19th July 2018, 10:09 AM
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Hasn't The Greatest Showman been number 1 on the sales chart for a significant period too? I don't think its streaming is artificially holding it high in the chart (unlike Drake, for example). With regard to the soundtrack to Black Panther, that sold around 3K in its debut week putting it at around number 22 on the combined chart, though it would have no doubt been bolstered by its SES which are not included in its sales on the compilations chart. I wouldn't be against it being included in the main albums chart, and definitely agree with Bré that there should be some sort of consistency, however I think The Greatest Showman should be included on the main chart as it is by far the year's biggest seller by physical and digital sales.
If album sales continue to dwindle then eventually the artificial SES may cause ridiculous long runners at number 1, we've already seen that with Drake's Views spending 27 consecutive weeks at number 1 on the Albums Streaming Chart in 2016. This post has been edited by Doctor Blind: 19th July 2018, 10:09 AM |
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19th July 2018, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE(danG @ Jul 19 2018, 11:02 AM) there is just one big problem with that rule I just thought. I'm not sure if Drake's 'In My Feelings' is classed as an official single in the UK yet ('Don't Matter To Me' was decided to be the next single before IMF really took off), but it's going to be this week's #1 by some way. would be unfair if the streams of that song weren't counted. otherwise it's better idea than the 3 track rule we have now. Yeah I see your point but at the same time I think its better than having random tracks appear for a week and then drop out again. Perhaps maybe the most cherry picked track can be included within that rule as well? As they often end up being served as the next single anyway. With Drake though thats a fairly unusual situation as most albums tend to only have one album track people will jump on, ala Ed Sheeran with Galway Girl. Surely if a song took off that rapidly they could announce it as the next single instead and have it debut at no1 (and making it another new fresh chart entry that week  )
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19th July 2018, 10:45 AM
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The list of artists this album has kept off no1 is crazy.
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19th July 2018, 11:43 AM
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QUOTE(Lomadz @ Jul 19 2018, 11:45 AM) The list of artists this album has kept off no1 is crazy. Yes but if at least 2 or 3 of them performed as they should have been expected to it probably wouldn't have stopped as many and we probably wouldn't be having this debate but they did underperform Heck the list of artists Adele blocked s crazy Neck the list of artists Ed sheeran blocked is crazy But because a once in a while soundtrack performs spectacularly uproar This post has been edited by 777666jason: 19th July 2018, 11:46 AM |
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19th July 2018, 03:58 PM
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If it’s popular and selling well, why not? No one was complaining about la la land or beauty and the beast. The greatest showman was successful and people were getting annoyed at it. Like they said, bring out a great album and people will buy it. Otherwise album sales would have been shocking for a number 1 if not for TGS.
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19th July 2018, 04:04 PM
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So it’s not a million seller in reality. How misleading.
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19th July 2018, 06:49 PM
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But it definitely is on DVD.
 The British Association for Screen Entertainment (BASE) have issued a half-year report looking at 2018's success stories, with The Greatest Showman smashing records to take the crown as the year's most popular DVD release so far, with 1.4 million sales. |
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19th July 2018, 06:54 PM
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QUOTE(777666jason @ Jul 19 2018, 12:43 PM) Yes but if at least 2 or 3 of them performed as they should have been expected to it probably wouldn't have stopped as many and we probably wouldn't be having this debate but they did underperform Heck the list of artists Adele blocked s crazy Neck the list of artists Ed sheeran blocked is crazy But because a once in a while soundtrack performs spectacularly uproar To be fair, Snow Patrol sold really well, but it came out on an unfortunate week where TGS DVD had been released, and I think one of the songs had been used in a TV show. |
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19th July 2018, 10:06 PM
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QUOTE(WhoOdyssey @ Jul 19 2018, 07:54 PM) To be fair, Snow Patrol sold really well, but it came out on an unfortunate week where TGS DVD had been released, and I think one of the songs had been used in a TV show. TBf half the album has been performed / been o. TV shows but so have thousands of songs by other artists so you can't blame them |
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20th July 2018, 12:53 PM
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Of course, if it had counted as a compilation album, we would have had half-a-dozen songs from it all in the top forty for weeks on end.
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21st July 2018, 05:57 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jul 20 2018, 01:53 PM) Of course, if it had counted as a compilation album, we would have had half-a-dozen songs from it all in the top forty for weeks on end. And it would have been deserved, because they're all clearly popular songs. They did nearly as well on iTunes as they did on Spotify. |
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