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Monica Lottinsky
post Feb 18 2019, 07:42 PM
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ive also signed up*.* i would love to stand in either my home or uni constituency
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post Feb 18 2019, 08:04 PM
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It's started off well, Angela Smith on BBC2 at lunchtime (and she's already had to apologise)



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post Feb 18 2019, 08:25 PM
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That’s just part of the qualification process to be a party
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post Feb 18 2019, 08:30 PM
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Labour MP Rupa Huq said: “They claim their new party is anti-racist and modern yet in the same breath describe black, Asian and minority ethnic people as having a ‘funny tinge’. This is, at best, the casual racism of the 1970s that I thought we’d long left behind. But it will strike many as an appalling, racist comment. Is the Independent Group going to investigate?”

Also: Big row brewing as The Independent Group signals it could let sex harassment accused MPs John Woodcock and Ivan Lewis sit with them.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/30-mps...dependent-group

They should have just joined the Tories tbh.
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post Feb 18 2019, 09:05 PM
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I doubt I'll be a huge fan of their general policies but it's good that some in Labour are taking a stand over Brexit and the bullying/intimidation going on in the party.

QUOTE(Pëpé Le Pew @ Feb 18 2019, 12:53 PM) *
Self serving traitors imo.

The moment you use 'traitors', people automatically stop registering with your argument.
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post Feb 18 2019, 10:41 PM
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The problem that the new Independent Grouping will have, and a problem that any "centrist" party will face, is that they will be facing an attack on two fronts, both from the right, and its associated press, as well as from the left, and its associated groupings as well. As such, any weaknesses and missteps will be poured over with a fine tooth comb, and amplified to a much greater extent than if it were from just one party, which is another one of the reasons why I don't think this grouping will be the long-term prospect they are hoping for.

But all I can say is I'm really looking forward to the next by-election.
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post Feb 19 2019, 06:46 AM
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QUOTE(BotchLikeThis @ Feb 18 2019, 07:07 PM) *
I've signed up to support them and ready to be selected as a candidate in the June election x


What June election - do you know something even the PM doesn't? rolleyes.gif
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post Feb 19 2019, 08:20 AM
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Feb 18 2019, 08:30 PM) *
Labour MP Rupa Huq said: “They claim their new party is anti-racist and modern yet in the same breath describe black, Asian and minority ethnic people as having a ‘funny tinge’. This is, at best, the casual racism of the 1970s that I thought we’d long left behind. But it will strike many as an appalling, racist comment. Is the Independent Group going to investigate?”

Also: Big row brewing as The Independent Group signals it could let sex harassment accused MPs John Woodcock and Ivan Lewis sit with them.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/30-mps...dependent-group

They should have just joined the Tories tbh.


yet I see a woman saying white women have a hard time, and non-white women have an even harder time then stumbling over her words while arguing against bigotry. Bloody women trying to stand up for women and racism! Why can't they just shut up and let the men who are much better at using words tell them what to think?
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post Feb 19 2019, 09:00 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Feb 19 2019, 06:46 AM) *
What June election - do you know something even the PM doesn't? rolleyes.gif

Given the co-ordinated attacks on Corbyn in the press over the last couple weeks, a June (or May) election would not be a surprise. Of course, there also remains the possibility of a European Parliament election.
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post Feb 19 2019, 09:15 AM
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I also think there’s local elections coming up in GB (I assume - they’re taking place in Northern Ireland, and before you ask no, I am not standing, although a former advisor to a local MLA has been encouraging me to do so).
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post Feb 19 2019, 09:18 AM
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QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Feb 19 2019, 09:15 AM) *
I also think there’s local elections coming up in GB (I assume - they’re taking place in Northern Ireland, and before you ask no, I am not standing, although a former advisor to a local MLA has been encouraging me to do so).

That’s why I added the possibility of a May election on the same day as the locals.
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post Feb 19 2019, 08:43 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Feb 19 2019, 06:46 AM) *
What June election - do you know something even the PM doesn't? rolleyes.gif


Every eventuality right now feels like it will end in a vote of no confidence in March. It's really difficult to see how we can avoid another imminent election with the level of chaos currently in the Commons.
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post Feb 19 2019, 10:25 PM
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An 8th Labour MP, Joan Ryan, has quit the party and is joining the indepenant group - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47300832

Interesting to see the new independent group seems to be gaining a little momentum. Perhaps more Labour MPs and even some Tory MPs will join in the coming weeks.
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post Feb 19 2019, 10:53 PM
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I think there will be more drip-drip defections over the next few days to keep the momentum growing and the story continually at the top of the news agenda. It would not surprise me if there were more defections on Wednesday, Thursday & Friday, with Thursday seeing the first Conservative switch (as that is when the story will need "novelty" to justify it staying near the top of the headlines).
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post Feb 19 2019, 11:00 PM
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I think we could get the first Tory switcher as soon as tomorrow!
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post Feb 20 2019, 12:32 AM
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Newsnight reporting that Anna Soubry, Heidi Allen and Sarah Wollaston are resigning tomorrow.
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post Feb 20 2019, 06:15 AM
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QUOTE(BotchLikeThis @ Feb 19 2019, 08:43 PM) *
Every eventuality right now feels like it will end in a vote of no confidence in March. It's really difficult to see how we can avoid another imminent election with the level of chaos currently in the Commons.


The last such vote didn't work, why would another?
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post Feb 20 2019, 07:56 AM
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QUOTE(LexC @ Feb 20 2019, 12:32 AM) *
Newsnight reporting that Anna Soubry, Heidi Allen and Sarah Wollaston are resigning tomorrow.


Hope so. The sheer amount of death threats, anger, aggression that Anna Soubry has had from extremists since the referendum would make it lovely to behold some chickens coming home to roost in the Tory Party too. An intolerant party deserves what it gets. The main difference with the 80's is it was just the one party bitterly infighting (though without the personal social media attacks you get these days), these days it's both of them manipulating and putting their own interests first rather than the nation's.
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QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ Feb 20 2019, 07:56 AM) *
Hope so. The sheer amount of death threats, anger, aggression that Anna Soubry has had from extremists since the referendum would make it lovely to behold some chickens coming home to roost in the Tory Party too. An intolerant party deserves what it gets. The main difference with the 80's is it was just the one party bitterly infighting (though without the personal social media attacks you get these days), these days it's both of them manipulating and putting their own interests first rather than the nation's.


Sounds like yet another reason to change to STV, so that a range of opinions within each party would be *essential* to maximise their allocatable votes - not to mention discouraging extremists from infiltrating mainstream parties.
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post Feb 20 2019, 11:16 AM
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Sarah Wollaston has lost her position as the Tory MP for whom I have the most respect. She has left the party to join the Independent Group along with two other Tories, Heidi Allen and Anna Soubry.
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