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Posted by: Jay ☆ Jun 13 2019, 04:42 PM

https://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/the-official-top-100-girl-band-singles-and-albums-of-the-last-25-years__26540/

1 WANNABE SPICE GIRLS 1 1996 1.72m (June 2019)
2 SHOUT OUT TO MY EX LITTLE MIX 1 2016 1.52m (June 2019)
3 NEVER EVER ALL SAINTS 1 1997 1.51m (June 2019)
4 WORK FROM HOME FIFTH HARMONY FT TY DOLLA SIGN 2 2016 1.47m (June 2019)
5 BLACK MAGIC LITTLE MIX 1 2015 1.43m (May 2019)
6 NO SCRUBS TLC 3 1999 1.34m (January 2019)
7 TOUCH LITTLE MIX 4 2016 1.25m (November 2018)
8 2 BECOME 1 SPICE GIRLS 1 1996 1.25m (May 2019)
9 WHOLE AGAIN ATOMIC KITTEN 1 2001 1.12m (February 2019)
10 C'EST LA VIE B'WITCHED 1 1998
11 POWER LITTLE MIX 6 2017
12 SAY YOU'LL BE THERE SPICE GIRLS 1 1996 1.02m (November 2018)
13 PURE SHORES ALL SAINTS 1 2000
14 SPICE UP YOUR LIFE SPICE GIRLS 1 1997 1m (April 2019)
15 SECRET LOVE SONG LITTLE MIX FT JASON DERULO 6 2016
16 REGGAETON LENTO (REMIX) CNCO & LITTLE MIX 5 2017
17 GOODBYE SPICE GIRLS 1 1998 925k (April 2019)
18 DON'T CHA PUSSYCAT DOLLS FT BUSTA RHYMES 1 2005
19 I LOVE IT ICONA POP FT CHARLI XCX 1 2013
20 SOUND OF THE UNDERGROUND GIRLS ALOUD 1 2002
21 MAMA/WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE SPICE GIRLS 1 1996 786k (May 2019)
22 SAY MY NAME DESTINY'S CHILD 3 2000
23 ABOUT YOU NOW SUGABABES 1 2007
24 WINGS LITTLE MIX 1 2012
25 HAIR LITTLE MIX 11 2015
26 VIVA FOREVER SPICE GIRLS 1 1998 740k (May 2019)
27 WHEREVER YOU ARE MILITARY WIVES/GARETH MALONE 1 2011
28 I WANNA BE THE ONLY ONE ETERNAL FT BEBE WINANS 1 1997
29 NO MORE SAD SONGS LITTLE MIX 15 2017
30 DON'T LET GO (LOVE) EN VOGUE 5 1997
31 TOO MUCH SPICE GIRLS 1 1997 707k (November 2018)
32 FLOWERS SWEET FEMALE ATTITUDE 2 2000
33 JAI HO (YOU ARE MY DESTINY) AR RAHMAN FT PUSSYCAT DOLLS 3 2009
34 BAD VIBE M O/LOTTO BOYZZ/MR EAZI 18 2018
35 INDEPENDENT WOMEN DESTINY'S CHILD 1 2000
36 LOVE ME LIKE YOU LITTLE MIX 11 2015
37 THE KETCHUP SONG (ASEREJE) LAS KETCHUP 1 2002
38 SURVIVOR DESTINY'S CHILD 1 2001
39 WOMAN LIKE ME LITTLE MIX FT NICKI MINAJ 2 2018 652k (June 2019)
40 THE PROMISE GIRLS ALOUD 1 2008 606k (November 2018)
41 MOVE LITTLE MIX 3 2013
42 PUSH THE BUTTON SUGABABES 1 2005
43 UGLY HEART GRL 11 2014
44 WATERFALLS TLC 4 1995
45 BLACK HEART STOOSHE 3 2012
46 WORTH IT FIFTH HARMONY FT KID INK 3 2015 600k (May 2019)
47 ALL THE THINGS SHE SAID TATU 1 2003
48 WHAT ABOUT US SATURDAYS FT SEAN PAUL 1 2013 554k (May 2019)
49 THE TIDE IS HIGH (GET THE FEELING) ATOMIC KITTEN 1 2002
50 CANNONBALL LITTLE MIX 1 2011 519k (November 2018)
51 ROLLERCOASTER B'WITCHED 1 1998
52 STOP SPICE GIRLS 2 1998 494k (April 2019)
53 HIGHER SATURDAYS FT FLO RIDA 10 2010
54 WHO DO YOU THINK OF M O 18 2016
55 UNDER THE BRIDGE/LADY MARMALADE ALL SAINTS 1 1998
56 LOSE MY BREATH DESTINY'S CHILD 2 2004
57 SALUTE LITTLE MIX 6 2014 430k (November 2018)
58 TO YOU I BELONG B'WITCHED 1 1998
59 BOOTYLICIOUS DESTINY'S CHILD 2 2001
60 SHACKLES (PRAISE YOU) MARY MARY 5 2000
61 ONLY YOU CHEAT CODES & LITTLE MIX 13 2018
62 EGO SATURDAYS 9 2009
63 ETERNAL FLAME ATOMIC KITTEN 1 2001
64 FINALLY FOUND HONEYZ 4 1998
65 DNA LITTLE MIX 3 2012
66 CHEEKY SONG (TOUCH MY BUM) CHEEKY GIRLS 2 2002
67 ALL IN MY HEAD (FLEX) FIFTH HARMONY FT FETTY WAP 25 2016 400k (May 2019)
68 WHEN I GROW UP PUSSYCAT DOLLS 3 2008
69 JUMPIN' JUMPIN' DESTINY'S CHILD 5 2000
70 UP SATURDAYS 5 2008
71 CALL THE SHOTS GIRLS ALOUD 3 2007 359k (March 2018)
72 THAT'S MY GIRL FIFTH HARMONY 26 2016
73 BUTTONS PUSSYCAT DOLLS FT SNOOP DOGG 3 2006
74 STICKWITU PUSSYCAT DOLLS 1 2005
75 END OF THE LINE HONEYZ 5 1998
76 HOLD ON WILSON PHILLIPS 6 1990
77 UNTOUCHED VERONICAS 8 2009
78 UNPRETTY TLC 6 1999
79 LOVE MACHINE GIRLS ALOUD 2 2004
80 FREAK LIKE ME SUGABABES 1 2002
81 OOPS LITTLE MIX FT CHARLIE PUTH 41 2016
82 SOMETHING KINDA OOOOH GIRLS ALOUD 3 2006 312k (June 2018)
83 TOO LOST IN YOU SUGABABES 10 2003
84 BOOGIE 2NITE BOOTY LUV 2 2006
85 JUMP GIRLS ALOUD 2 2003 302k (October 2018)
86 ROUND ROUND SUGABABES 1 2002
87 JUST CAN'T GET ENOUGH SATURDAYS 2 2009
88 ISSUES SATURDAYS 4 2008
89 BRAVEHEART NEON JUNGLE 4 2014
90 BILLS BILLS BILLS DESTINY'S CHILD 6 1999
91 ANGEL OF MINE ETERNAL 4 1997
92 HOLLER/LET LOVE LEAD THE WAY SPICE GIRLS 1 2000 287k (May 2019)
93 STAY SHAKESPEARS SISTER 1 1992
94 YOU CAN'T HURRY LOVE SUPREMES 3 1966
95 BEEP PUSSYCAT DOLLS FT WILL I AM 2 2006
96 ALL FIRED UP SATURDAYS 3 2011
97 PUSH IT SALT N PEPA 2 1988
98 BE MY BABY RONETTES 4 1963
99 FALLING HAIM 30 2013
100 I HATE THIS PART PUSSYCAT DOLLS 12 2008

https://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/the-official-top-40-biggest-girl-band-studio-albums-of-the-last-25-years__26546/

1 SPICE SPICE GIRLS 1 1996 2.98m (June 2019)
2 SPICEWORLD SPICE GIRLS 1 1997 1.6m (June 2019)
3 ALL SAINTS ALL SAINTS 2 1997 1.47m (June 2019)
4 PCD PUSSYCAT DOLLS 7 2005 1.3m (June 2019)
5 SURVIVOR DESTINY'S CHILD 1 2001
6 THE WRITING'S ON THE WALL DESTINY'S CHILD 10 1999
7 GLORY DAYS LITTLE MIX 1 2016 1.06m (June 2019)
8 ANGELS WITH DIRTY FACES SUGABABES 1 2002 925k (August 2017)
9 TALLER IN MORE WAYS SUGABABES 1 2005 888k (June 2009)
10 GET WEIRD LITTLE MIX 2 2015 822k (April 2019)
11 FEELS SO GOOD ATOMIC KITTEN 1 2002
12 OUT OF CONTROL GIRLS ALOUD 1 2008 796k (March 2013)
13 B'WITCHED B'WITCHED 3 1998
14 ALWAYS AND FOREVER ETERNAL 2 1993
15 SAINTS & SINNERS ALL SAINTS 1 2000 608k (April 2016)
16 DESTINY FULFILLED DESTINY'S CHILD 5 2004
17 WHAT WILL THE NEIGHBOURS SAY GIRLS ALOUD 6 2004 599k (March 2013)
18 RIGHT NOW ATOMIC KITTEN 1 2000
19 FANMAIL TLC 7 1999
20 CHANGE SUGABABES 1 2007 516k (June 2009)
21 TANGLED UP GIRLS ALOUD 4 2007 505k (March 2013)
22 CRAZYSEXYCOOL TLC 4 1995
23 LICKIN' ON BOTH SIDES MIS-TEEQ 3 2001
24 POWER OF A WOMAN ETERNAL 6 1995
25 LADIES NIGHT ATOMIC KITTEN 5 2003
26 DNA LITTLE MIX 3 2012 442k (November 2018)
27 SALUTE LITTLE MIX 4 2013
28 CHEMISTRY GIRLS ALOUD 11 2005 390k (March 2013)
29 CHASING LIGHTS SATURDAYS 9 2008
30 DAYS ARE GONE HAIM 1 2013 300k (July 2017)
31 BORN BOND 16 2000
32 DOLL DOMINATION PUSSYCAT DOLLS 4 2008
33 BEFORE THE RAIN ETERNAL 3 1997
34 FOREVER SPICE GIRLS 2 2000 268k (October 2018)
35 AWAKE AND BREATHE B'WITCHED 5 1999
36 EYE CANDY MIS-TEEQ 6 2003
37 ONE TOUCH SUGABABES 26 2000 221k (June 2009)
38 HEADLINES SATURDAYS 3 2010
39 WONDER NO.8 HONEYZ 33 1998
40 HOME DIXIE CHICKS 33 2003


Can anyone spot any glaring omissions? I noticed straight away that the albums list is missing Girls Aloud - Sound of the Underground & Sugababes - Three.

Posted by: Jay ☆ Jun 13 2019, 04:42 PM

Singles (Artists with multiple entries)

ALL SAINTS
3 NEVER EVER ALL SAINTS 1 1997
13 PURE SHORES ALL SAINTS 1 2000
55 UNDER THE BRIDGE/LADY MARMALADE ALL SAINTS 1 1998

ATOMIC KITTEN
9 WHOLE AGAIN ATOMIC KITTEN 1 2001
49 THE TIDE IS HIGH (GET THE FEELING) ATOMIC KITTEN 1 2002
63 ETERNAL FLAME ATOMIC KITTEN 1 2001

B*WITCHED
10 C'EST LA VIE B'WITCHED 1 1998
51 ROLLERCOASTER B'WITCHED 1 1998
58 TO YOU I BELONG B'WITCHED 1 1998

DESTINY'S CHILD
22 SAY MY NAME DESTINY'S CHILD 3 2000
35 INDEPENDENT WOMEN DESTINY'S CHILD 1 2000
38 SURVIVOR DESTINY'S CHILD 1 2001
56 LOSE MY BREATH DESTINY'S CHILD 2 2004
59 BOOTYLICIOUS DESTINY'S CHILD 2 2001
69 JUMPIN' JUMPIN' DESTINY'S CHILD 5 2000
90 BILLS BILLS BILLS DESTINY'S CHILD 6 1999

ETERNAL
28 I WANNA BE THE ONLY ONE ETERNAL FT BEBE WINANS 1 1997
91 ANGEL OF MINE ETERNAL 4 1997

FIFTH HARMONY
4 WORK FROM HOME FIFTH HARMONY FT TY DOLLA SIGN 2 2016
46 WORTH IT FIFTH HARMONY FT KID INK 3 2015
67 ALL IN MY HEAD (FLEX) FIFTH HARMONY FT FETTY WAP 25 2016
72 THAT'S MY GIRL FIFTH HARMONY 26 2016

GIRLS ALOUD
20 SOUND OF THE UNDERGROUND GIRLS ALOUD 1 2002
40 THE PROMISE GIRLS ALOUD 1 2008
71 CALL THE SHOTS GIRLS ALOUD 3 2007
79 LOVE MACHINE GIRLS ALOUD 2 2004
82 SOMETHING KINDA OOOOH GIRLS ALOUD 3 2006
85 JUMP GIRLS ALOUD 2 2003

HONEYZ
64 FINALLY FOUND HONEYZ 4 1998
75 END OF THE LINE HONEYZ 5 1998

M.O
34 BAD VIBE M O/LOTTO BOYZZ/MR EAZI 18 2018
54 WHO DO YOU THINK OF M O 18 2016

THE PUSSYCAT DOLLS
18 DON'T CHA PUSSYCAT DOLLS FT BUSTA RHYMES 1 2005
33 JAI HO (YOU ARE MY DESTINY) AR RAHMAN FT PUSSYCAT DOLLS 3 2009
68 WHEN I GROW UP PUSSYCAT DOLLS 3 2008
73 BUTTONS PUSSYCAT DOLLS FT SNOOP DOGG 3 2006
74 STICKWITU PUSSYCAT DOLLS 1 2005
95 BEEP PUSSYCAT DOLLS FT WILL I AM 2 2006
100 I HATE THIS PART PUSSYCAT DOLLS 12 2008

LITTLE MIX
2 SHOUT OUT TO MY EX LITTLE MIX 1 2016
5 BLACK MAGIC LITTLE MIX 1 2015
7 TOUCH LITTLE MIX 4 2016
11 POWER LITTLE MIX 6 2017
15 SECRET LOVE SONG LITTLE MIX FT JASON DERULO 6 2016
16 REGGAETON LENTO (REMIX) CNCO & LITTLE MIX 5 2017
24 WINGS LITTLE MIX 1 2012
25 HAIR LITTLE MIX 11 2015
29 NO MORE SAD SONGS LITTLE MIX 15 2017
36 LOVE ME LIKE YOU LITTLE MIX 11 2015
39 WOMAN LIKE ME LITTLE MIX FT NICKI MINAJ 2 2018
41 MOVE LITTLE MIX 3 2013
50 CANNONBALL LITTLE MIX 1 2011
57 SALUTE LITTLE MIX 6 2014
61 ONLY YOU CHEAT CODES & LITTLE MIX 13 2018
65 DNA LITTLE MIX 3 2012
81 OOPS LITTLE MIX FT CHARLIE PUTH 41 2016

THE SATURDAYS
48 WHAT ABOUT US SATURDAYS FT SEAN PAUL 1 2013
53 HIGHER SATURDAYS FT FLO RIDA 10 2010
62 EGO SATURDAYS 9 2009
70 UP SATURDAYS 5 2008
87 JUST CAN'T GET ENOUGH SATURDAYS 2 2009
88 ISSUES SATURDAYS 4 2008
96 ALL FIRED UP SATURDAYS 3 2011

SPICE GIRLS
1 WANNABE SPICE GIRLS 1 1996
8 2 BECOME 1 SPICE GIRLS 1 1996
12 SAY YOU'LL BE THERE SPICE GIRLS 1 1996
14 SPICE UP YOUR LIFE SPICE GIRLS 1 1997
17 GOODBYE SPICE GIRLS 1 1998
21 MAMA/WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE SPICE GIRLS 1 1996
26 VIVA FOREVER SPICE GIRLS 1 1998
31 TOO MUCH SPICE GIRLS 1 1997
52 STOP SPICE GIRLS 2 1998
92 HOLLER/LET LOVE LEAD THE WAY SPICE GIRLS 1 2000

SUGABABES
23 ABOUT YOU NOW SUGABABES 1 2007
42 PUSH THE BUTTON SUGABABES 1 2005
80 FREAK LIKE ME SUGABABES 1 2002
83 TOO LOST IN YOU SUGABABES 10 2003
86 ROUND ROUND SUGABABES 1 2002

TLC
6 NO SCRUBS TLC 3 1999
44 WATERFALLS TLC 4 1995
78 UNPRETTY TLC 6 1999


Singles (Artists with one entry)

84 BOOGIE 2NITE BOOTY LUV 2 2006
66 CHEEKY SONG (TOUCH MY BUM) CHEEKY GIRLS 2 2002
30 DON'T LET GO (LOVE) EN VOGUE 5 1997
43 UGLY HEART GRL 11 2014
99 FALLING HAIM 30 2013
19 I LOVE IT ICONA POP FT CHARLI XCX 1 2013
37 THE KETCHUP SONG (ASEREJE) LAS KETCHUP 1 2002
60 SHACKLES (PRAISE YOU) MARY MARY 5 2000
27 WHEREVER YOU ARE MILITARY WIVES/GARETH MALONE 1 2011
89 BRAVEHEART NEON JUNGLE 4 2014
98 BE MY BABY RONETTES 4 1963
97 PUSH IT SALT N PEPA 2 1988
93 STAY SHAKESPEARS SISTER 1 1992
45 BLACK HEART STOOSHE 3 2012
94 YOU CAN'T HURRY LOVE SUPREMES 3 1966
32 FLOWERS SWEET FEMALE ATTITUDE 2 2000
47 ALL THE THINGS SHE SAID TATU 1 2003
77 UNTOUCHED VERONICAS 8 2009
76 HOLD ON WILSON PHILLIPS 6 1990

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Albums (Artists with multiple entries)

ALL SAINTS
3 ALL SAINTS ALL SAINTS 2 1997
15 SAINTS & SINNERS ALL SAINTS 1 2000

ATOMIC KITTEN
11 FEELS SO GOOD ATOMIC KITTEN 1 2002
18 RIGHT NOW ATOMIC KITTEN 1 2000
25 LADIES NIGHT ATOMIC KITTEN 5 2003

B*WITCHED
13 B'WITCHED B'WITCHED 3 1998
35 AWAKE AND BREATHE B'WITCHED 5 1999

DESTINY'S CHILD
5 SURVIVOR DESTINY'S CHILD 1 2001
6 THE WRITING'S ON THE WALL DESTINY'S CHILD 10 1999
16 DESTINY FULFILLED DESTINY'S CHILD 5 2004

ETERNAL
14 ALWAYS AND FOREVER ETERNAL 2 1993
24 POWER OF A WOMAN ETERNAL 6 1995
33 BEFORE THE RAIN ETERNAL 3 1997

GIRLS ALOUD
12 OUT OF CONTROL GIRLS ALOUD 1 2008
17 WHAT WILL THE NEIGHBOURS SAY GIRLS ALOUD 6 2004
21 TANGLED UP GIRLS ALOUD 4 2007
28 CHEMISTRY GIRLS ALOUD 11 2005

LITTLE MIX
7 GLORY DAYS LITTLE MIX 1 2016
10 GET WEIRD LITTLE MIX 2 2015
26 DNA LITTLE MIX 3 2012
27 SALUTE LITTLE MIX 4 2013

MIS-TEEQ
23 LICKIN' ON BOTH SIDES MIS-TEEQ 3 2001
36 EYE CANDY MIS-TEEQ 6 2003

THE PUSSYCAT DOLLS
4 PCD PUSSYCAT DOLLS 7 2005
32 DOLL DOMINATION PUSSYCAT DOLLS 4 2008

THE SATURDAYS
29 CHASING LIGHTS SATURDAYS 9 2008
38 HEADLINES SATURDAYS 3 2010

SPICE GIRLS
1 SPICE SPICE GIRLS 1 1996
2 SPICEWORLD SPICE GIRLS 1 1997
34 FOREVER SPICE GIRLS 2 2000

SUGABABES
8 ANGELS WITH DIRTY FACES SUGABABES 1 2002
9 TALLER IN MORE WAYS SUGABABES 1 2005
20 CHANGE SUGABABES 1 2007
37 ONE TOUCH SUGABABES 26 2000

TLC
19 FANMAIL TLC 7 1999
22 CRAZYSEXYCOOL TLC 4 1995


Albums (Artists with one entry)

31 BORN BOND 16 2000
40 HOME DIXIE CHICKS 33 2003
30 DAYS ARE GONE HAIM 1 2013
39 WONDER NO.8 HONEYZ 33 1998

Posted by: Monzo Jun 13 2019, 04:47 PM

QUOTE(Jay ☆ @ Jun 13 2019, 06:42 PM) *
76 HOLD ON WILSON PHILLIPS 6 1990


29 year old song makes it on this list?!? I guess we can thank Bridesmaids for that!

Posted by: T Boy Jun 13 2019, 05:18 PM

I would rather see a sales only list. Seeing Shout Out To My Ex above Never Ever made me almost throw up in my mouth.

Posted by: Jade Jun 13 2019, 05:23 PM

‘Work From Home’ being in the top 5 of all time feels so odd laugh.gif

Posted by: Medellíam Jun 13 2019, 05:26 PM

Ooh! *.* Lots to digest here, I'll have a good look at the list after work and try adding some more sales.

Posted by: ThePensmith Jun 13 2019, 05:30 PM

N'aww it does warm my 9 year old me heart to see B*Witched so high up in the list, and also to see 'Rollercoaster' and 'To You I Belong' have good placings as well.

Posted by: Jack Murs Jun 13 2019, 05:58 PM

It says on the article that The Ronettes are on almost 300,000 sales so it’s safe to say that “Stay” has sold over that meaning it’s total sales are at least 800,000. It sold just under 500,000 originally.

Posted by: fiesta Jun 13 2019, 06:10 PM

Surprised Wilson Philips is there, add its 205k physical sales it'd be higher still

Posted by: cantthinkofaname Jun 13 2019, 06:44 PM

Military Wives managing top 30 on this list laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: Jay ☆ Jun 13 2019, 06:50 PM

QUOTE(Jack Murs @ Jun 13 2019, 06:58 PM) *
It says on the article that The Ronettes are on almost 300,000 sales so it’s safe to say that “Stay” has sold over that meaning it’s total sales are at least 800,000. It sold just under 500,000 originally.

3 weeks ago they revealed that Spice Girls - Holler / Let Love Lead the Way (#92 in the list) has sold 287,000, so that can give you a more accurate estimation for Shakespears Sister!

Posted by: Jay ☆ Jun 13 2019, 06:51 PM

They've overlooked 99 Souls - The Girl Is Mine, its credit included "feat. Destiny's Child"!

Posted by: Andrew. Jun 13 2019, 06:58 PM

‘Shout out to my ex’ being the 2nd best of all time makes me feel slightly ill.

Posted by: Jonjo Jun 13 2019, 07:07 PM

Little Mix did THAT! *.*

No point in asking to see certain lists etc.. there is just no fair way to measure this stuff. There never has been. Supremes are one of the most successful bands of all time and they're not even in this list.

Posted by: danG Jun 13 2019, 07:09 PM

QUOTE(Jonjo @ Jun 13 2019, 08:07 PM) *
Little Mix did THAT! *.*

No point in asking to see certain lists etc.. there is just no fair way to measure this stuff. There never has been. Supremes are one of the most successful bands of all time and they're not even in this list.

They're at #94 with You Can't Hurry Love, impressive considering that'd be based on just downloads/streams.

Posted by: DanChartFan Jun 13 2019, 07:11 PM

QUOTE(T Boy @ Jun 13 2019, 06:18 PM) *
I would rather see a sales only list. Seeing Shout Out To My Ex above Never Ever made me almost throw up in my mouth.


Agreed. It would seem that the methodology used disproportionately favours tracks from the streaming era. Taking a look at those on the list which peaked outside the top 10 the majority were either from the streaming era, or would have gained at least some level of streams once they got added in, the only real exception I can see is I Hate This Part which only hit #12, but that is right at the bottom of this list anyway. I mean one of the streaming era hits on this list didn't even hit the top 40, and yet it supposedly outperforms a fairly well known Suagbabes number one, a Spice Girls charttopper (albeit arguably there most forgettable one) and what was at the time a pretty huge number one by Shakespears Sister (though I was shocked the other week when I found out my friends, aged 30 and 33, had never heard of the song!!).

Posted by: DanChartFan Jun 13 2019, 07:14 PM

QUOTE(Jonjo @ Jun 13 2019, 08:07 PM) *
Little Mix did THAT! *.*

No point in asking to see certain lists etc.. there is just no fair way to measure this stuff. There never has been. Supremes are one of the most successful bands of all time and they're not even in this list.


There is one Supremes hit in there! Also you have to remember that the list only counts sales, downloads and streams since 1994, when the OCC (as C.I.N) started measuring them, it doesn't include anything prior to this, and the majority of The Supremes sales are way before 1994.

Posted by: Jay ☆ Jun 13 2019, 07:17 PM

Songs on the list that are pre-1994:

76 HOLD ON WILSON PHILLIPS 6 1990
93 STAY SHAKESPEARS SISTER 1 1992
94 YOU CAN'T HURRY LOVE SUPREMES 3 1966
97 PUSH IT SALT N PEPA 2 1988
98 BE MY BABY RONETTES 4 1963

Posted by: T Boy Jun 13 2019, 07:22 PM

QUOTE(Jonjo @ Jun 13 2019, 08:07 PM) *
Little Mix did THAT! *.*

No point in asking to see certain lists etc.. there is just no fair way to measure this stuff. There never has been. Supremes are one of the most successful bands of all time and they're not even in this list.


Well there was a fair way to measure these things before 2014 so ‘never has been’ isn’t really true.

I’m happy for you that Little Mix have done so well in this list but the fact is their songs aren’t as popular as this list makes them seem.

Posted by: TheJüpreme Jun 13 2019, 07:27 PM

Fifth Harmony having four entries is just vile.

Posted by: DanChartFan Jun 13 2019, 07:29 PM

QUOTE(Jade @ Jun 13 2019, 06:23 PM) *
‘Work From Home’ being in the top 5 of all time feels so odd laugh.gif


Its since 1994, rather than 'all time', but yeah you're overiding point definitely still stands given the high sales climate of the first 7-ish years of the period, and how well remembered hits from those years are compared to pretty much anything in the list from the streaming era (an era in which even a track that missed the Top 40 apparently performed well enough to make this Top 100!).

Posted by: Bjork Jun 13 2019, 07:30 PM

no Bananarama, easily the best band ever :/

Posted by: danG Jun 13 2019, 07:33 PM

I get that it's impossible to objectively compare songs from different sales climates but I feel like they should down-weight some of these big streaming hits. There's no way 'That's My Girl' and 'Oops' were more popular than all the top ten hits below it.

Posted by: Mateja Jun 13 2019, 07:35 PM

QUOTE(T Boy @ Jun 13 2019, 09:22 PM) *
Well there was a fair way to measure these things before 2014 so ‘never has been’ isn’t really true.

I’m happy for you that Little Mix have done so well in this list but the fact is their songs aren’t as popular as this list makes them seem.



Nah, you just have to accept that the streaming era is here. Streaming has been replacing sales for years now. Not using streaming to put this list together would be unfair to Little Mix and all new girlbands.

It's time to accept that people have different preferences for consuming music now.

Posted by: Bjork Jun 13 2019, 07:35 PM

what about Bangles?
are they not considered a girl band? or they didn't sell enough?

Posted by: T Boy Jun 13 2019, 07:35 PM

QUOTE(TheJüpreme @ Jun 13 2019, 08:27 PM) *
Fifth Harmony having four entries is just vile.


I’m not sure I’ve even heard that many of their songs so the mind boggles.

Posted by: Jay ☆ Jun 13 2019, 07:39 PM

QUOTE(Bjork @ Jun 13 2019, 08:35 PM) *
what about Bangles?
are they not considered a girl band? or they didn't sell enough?

Given the duos featuring in the list, they would be eligible, but presumably no Bangles hits have accumulated enough downloads/streams to finish Top 100, same goes for Bananarama. I'm assuming the cut off for this list exceeds 250,000 sales.

Posted by: DanChartFan Jun 13 2019, 07:39 PM

QUOTE(Bjork @ Jun 13 2019, 08:30 PM) *
no Bananarama, easily the best band ever :/

Apart from a couple of minor hits when they reformed in 2005, everything else would have been released before the 1994 start point of the period this chart covers, and it's unlikely there were many copies of those older hits still knocking around on shop shelves by 1994. Downloads maybe added a few sales when they became available, but I doubt streams have added anything much to them. Also most of their hits were SAW produced, and Pete Waterman tended in the past not to make much of his past work available on downloading and streaming, so that may have also restricted their tracks' potential to gain these. So all in all it wouldn't be likely that any of there singles would be anywhere close to the level needed for this top 100

Posted by: ThePensmith Jun 13 2019, 07:40 PM

QUOTE(T Boy @ Jun 13 2019, 08:35 PM) *
I’m not sure I’ve even heard that many of their songs so the mind boggles.


It says a lot that I know who Camilla Cabello is and can hum at least a handful of her songs but Fifth Harmony were lost on me.

Posted by: T Boy Jun 13 2019, 07:40 PM

QUOTE(Mateja @ Jun 13 2019, 08:35 PM) *
Nah, you just have to accept that the streaming era is here. Streaming has been replacing sales for years now. Not using streaming to put this list together would be unfair to Little Mix and all new girlbands.

It's time to accept that people have different preferences for consuming music now.


Erm, excuse you?

I can accept that streaming is here but who actually cares if a sales only list is ‘unfair’ on Little Mix? The fact is it has never worked comparing sales and streams as the same thing because they’re just not. It’s why the chart is now full of crappy rules.

By allowing streaming in a list like this, it’s actually unfair to the other girl groups.

Tough shit if Little Mix can’t compete in sales. It’s not their fault but what can you do?

Posted by: JosephAvery Jun 13 2019, 07:40 PM

QUOTE(Bjork @ Jun 13 2019, 08:35 PM) *
what about Bangles?
are they not considered a girl band? or they didn't sell enough?

It's from the past 25 years only, which also explains the lack of Bananarama. Obviously their downloads + streams aren't strong enough.

I think the problem with streams included alongside sales in this list is that the days of physical releases saw limited time periods of availability. The shops stocked them until they got deleted and sold very very little afterwards (until downloads arrived). Streaming for songs like the Little Mix and Fifth Harmony tracks was allowed to continue for months because they stay up on Spotify etc. There's no real way to level the playing field - a sales only list would be equally unfair on the recent hits because obviously the likes of SOTME and Black Magic are huge hits, just a bit inflated on the scale of this list.

Similarly though, Girls Aloud, Sugababes and Atomic Kitten are severely under-represented in my opinion - because of the low sales period of the mid 2000s! It works both ways and it's why a list over time will never ever be perfect.

Posted by: DanChartFan Jun 13 2019, 07:43 PM

QUOTE(Mateja @ Jun 13 2019, 08:35 PM) *
Nah, you just have to accept that the streaming era is here. Streaming has been replacing sales for years now. Not using streaming to put this list together would be unfair to Little Mix and all new girlbands.

It's time to accept that people have different preferences for consuming music now.


With respect you might be missing the point a little bit. No one is saying completely ignore streaming hits, but it is clear from this chart that the exchange rate used to convert streams into sales is disproportionate, and makes the streaming hits seem bigger than they actually were. One of the streaming 'hits' in this chart didn't even reach the Top 40 for flips sake, how can it possibly be a bigger hit than the various popular charttoppers and other top 3 hits below it on this list?

Posted by: Mateja Jun 13 2019, 07:48 PM

QUOTE(DanChartFan @ Jun 13 2019, 09:43 PM) *
With respect you might be missing the point a little bit. No one is saying completely ignore streaming hits, but it is clear from this chart that the exchange rate used to convert streams into sales is disproportionate, and makes the streaming hits seem bigger than they actually were. One of the streaming 'hits' in this chart didn't even reach the Top 40 for flips sake, how can it possibly be a bigger hit than the various popular charttoppers and other top 3 hits below it on this list?



Chart positions and peaks don't matter that much in the streaming era. Streams trickle in overtime and accumulate.

Posted by: DanChartFan Jun 13 2019, 07:49 PM

QUOTE(T Boy @ Jun 13 2019, 08:35 PM) *
I’m not sure I’ve even heard that many of their songs so the mind boggles.


I'm not sure if I've heard ANY of there songs. Maybe I have, and I just didn't know it was by them, but nothing stands out from the song titles.

Posted by: JosephAvery Jun 13 2019, 07:50 PM

QUOTE(DanChartFan @ Jun 13 2019, 08:49 PM) *
I'm not sure if I've heard ANY of there songs. Maybe I have, and I just didn't know it was by them, but nothing stands out from the song titles.

You've not heard Work From Home? That song was everywhere in 2016 and undoubtedly one of the biggest hits of the year, that's pretty surprising!

Posted by: JosephAvery Jun 13 2019, 07:51 PM

QUOTE(Mateja @ Jun 13 2019, 08:48 PM) *
Chart positions and peaks don't matter that much in the streaming era. Streams trickle in overtime and accumulate.

You're not wrong with this - Oops was definitely a notable hit and #41 in the streaming era means a hell of a lot more than #41 did during the 90s and 00s. It's undoubtedly inflated (like I said, due to a continued period of availability which the Spice Girls, Girls Aloud, Sugababes, etc songs didn't have at the time of their release)

Posted by: Jay ☆ Jun 13 2019, 07:52 PM

The songs released within the past 25 years separated by year of release:

1995
44 WATERFALLS TLC 4

1996
1 WANNABE SPICE GIRLS 1
8 2 BECOME 1 SPICE GIRLS 1
12 SAY YOU'LL BE THERE SPICE GIRLS 1
21 MAMA/WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE SPICE GIRLS 1

1997
3 NEVER EVER ALL SAINTS 1
14 SPICE UP YOUR LIFE SPICE GIRLS 1
28 I WANNA BE THE ONLY ONE ETERNAL FT BEBE WINANS 1
30 DON'T LET GO (LOVE) EN VOGUE 5
31 TOO MUCH SPICE GIRLS 1
91 ANGEL OF MINE ETERNAL 4

1998
10 C'EST LA VIE B'WITCHED 1
17 GOODBYE SPICE GIRLS 1
26 VIVA FOREVER SPICE GIRLS 1
51 ROLLERCOASTER B'WITCHED 1
52 STOP SPICE GIRLS 2
55 UNDER THE BRIDGE/LADY MARMALADE ALL SAINTS 1
58 TO YOU I BELONG B'WITCHED 1
64 FINALLY FOUND HONEYZ 4
75 END OF THE LINE HONEYZ 5

1999
6 NO SCRUBS TLC 3
78 UNPRETTY TLC 6
90 BILLS BILLS BILLS DESTINY'S CHILD 6

2000
13 PURE SHORES ALL SAINTS 1
22 SAY MY NAME DESTINY'S CHILD 3
32 FLOWERS SWEET FEMALE ATTITUDE 2
35 INDEPENDENT WOMEN DESTINY'S CHILD 1
60 SHACKLES (PRAISE YOU) MARY MARY 5
69 JUMPIN' JUMPIN' DESTINY'S CHILD 5
92 HOLLER/LET LOVE LEAD THE WAY SPICE GIRLS 1

2001
9 WHOLE AGAIN ATOMIC KITTEN 1
38 SURVIVOR DESTINY'S CHILD 1
59 BOOTYLICIOUS DESTINY'S CHILD 2
63 ETERNAL FLAME ATOMIC KITTEN 1

2002
20 SOUND OF THE UNDERGROUND GIRLS ALOUD 1
37 THE KETCHUP SONG (ASEREJE) LAS KETCHUP 1
49 THE TIDE IS HIGH (GET THE FEELING) ATOMIC KITTEN 1
66 CHEEKY SONG (TOUCH MY BUM) CHEEKY GIRLS 2
80 FREAK LIKE ME SUGABABES 1
86 ROUND ROUND SUGABABES 1

2003
47 ALL THE THINGS SHE SAID TATU 1
83 TOO LOST IN YOU SUGABABES 10
85 JUMP GIRLS ALOUD 2

2004
56 LOSE MY BREATH DESTINY'S CHILD 2
79 LOVE MACHINE GIRLS ALOUD 2

2005
18 DON'T CHA PUSSYCAT DOLLS FT BUSTA RHYMES 1
42 PUSH THE BUTTON SUGABABES 1
74 STICKWITU PUSSYCAT DOLLS 1

2006
73 BUTTONS PUSSYCAT DOLLS FT SNOOP DOGG 3
82 SOMETHING KINDA OOOOH GIRLS ALOUD 3
84 BOOGIE 2NITE BOOTY LUV 2
95 BEEP PUSSYCAT DOLLS FT WILL I AM 2

2007
23 ABOUT YOU NOW SUGABABES 1
71 CALL THE SHOTS GIRLS ALOUD 3

2008
40 THE PROMISE GIRLS ALOUD 1
68 WHEN I GROW UP PUSSYCAT DOLLS 3
70 UP SATURDAYS 5
88 ISSUES SATURDAYS 4
100 I HATE THIS PART PUSSYCAT DOLLS 12

2009
33 JAI HO (YOU ARE MY DESTINY) AR RAHMAN FT PUSSYCAT DOLLS 3
62 EGO SATURDAYS 9
77 UNTOUCHED VERONICAS 8
87 JUST CAN'T GET ENOUGH SATURDAYS 2

2010
53 HIGHER SATURDAYS FT FLO RIDA 10

2011
27 WHEREVER YOU ARE MILITARY WIVES/GARETH MALONE 1 :') Can't help but feel it's a huge stretch to consider them a girl band
50 CANNONBALL LITTLE MIX 1
96 ALL FIRED UP SATURDAYS 3

2012
24 WINGS LITTLE MIX 1
45 BLACK HEART STOOSHE 3
65 DNA LITTLE MIX 3

2013
19 I LOVE IT ICONA POP FT CHARLI XCX 1
41 MOVE LITTLE MIX 3
48 WHAT ABOUT US SATURDAYS FT SEAN PAUL 1
99 FALLING HAIM 30

2014
43 UGLY HEART GRL 11
57 SALUTE LITTLE MIX 6
89 BRAVEHEART NEON JUNGLE 4

2015
5 BLACK MAGIC LITTLE MIX 1
25 HAIR LITTLE MIX 11
36 LOVE ME LIKE YOU LITTLE MIX 11
46 WORTH IT FIFTH HARMONY FT KID INK 3

2016
2 SHOUT OUT TO MY EX LITTLE MIX 1
4 WORK FROM HOME FIFTH HARMONY FT TY DOLLA SIGN 2
7 TOUCH LITTLE MIX 4
15 SECRET LOVE SONG LITTLE MIX FT JASON DERULO 6
54 WHO DO YOU THINK OF M O 18
67 ALL IN MY HEAD (FLEX) FIFTH HARMONY FT FETTY WAP 25
72 THAT'S MY GIRL FIFTH HARMONY 26
81 OOPS LITTLE MIX FT CHARLIE PUTH 41

2017
11 POWER LITTLE MIX 6
16 REGGAETON LENTO (REMIX) CNCO & LITTLE MIX 5
29 NO MORE SAD SONGS LITTLE MIX 15

2018
34 BAD VIBE M O/LOTTO BOYZZ/MR EAZI 18
39 WOMAN LIKE ME LITTLE MIX FT NICKI MINAJ 2
61 ONLY YOU CHEAT CODES & LITTLE MIX 13


M.O's #18 hit from last year "outselling" (for want of a better phrase) all bar one of Girls Aloud singles, and all bar one of Sugababes singles... I feel this strongly highlights how incredibly awkward it is to put together songs from different eras of consumption.

Same goes with the #25 & #26 peaking singles from Fifth Harmony being quite high up (All In My Head is Gold certified), and the #41 peaking album track Oops by Little Mix on the verge of outselling the #1 Freak Like Me by Sugababes.

Posted by: T Boy Jun 13 2019, 07:52 PM

QUOTE(Mateja @ Jun 13 2019, 08:48 PM) *
Chart positions and peaks don't matter that much in the streaming era. Streams trickle in overtime and accumulate.


But you still can’t claim that the streaming hits these days are bigger than the no.1s from 20 years ago.

Back then you have to get up off your arse and pay an extortionate price for something that could only be played if you had the right device. You actually had to make a commitment.

What isn’t differentiated with streaming is exactly how many people are streaming each song or whether or not the person streaming it even like it or it just happens to be on the playlist they’re listening to.

Those are two very different scenarios and it’s tiring to see people trying to compare them like for like.

Posted by: DanChartFan Jun 13 2019, 08:19 PM

QUOTE(JosephAvery @ Jun 13 2019, 08:50 PM) *
You've not heard Work From Home? That song was everywhere in 2016 and undoubtedly one of the biggest hits of the year, that's pretty surprising!


Just played it on youtube and to be fair maybe I heard it once or twice at the time, but I wouldn't say it was that good or that big a hit, and certainly not as big as some of the much more well known stuff on the list.

Posted by: Bré Jun 13 2019, 08:21 PM

It was #15 in the end of year chart for 2016, it's not really a matter of opinion whether or not it was 'that big a hit' laugh.gif

Posted by: DanChartFan Jun 13 2019, 08:22 PM

QUOTE(Mateja @ Jun 13 2019, 08:48 PM) *
Chart positions and peaks don't matter that much in the streaming era. Streams trickle in overtime and accumulate.


But they typically trickle from the same small group of people playing them week in week out, which, if anything means they are really rather smaller hits than one that sold a copy each to a much bigger group of people back in the day, even if the latter only charted for a few weeks at the time.

Posted by: JosephAvery Jun 13 2019, 08:28 PM

QUOTE(DanChartFan @ Jun 13 2019, 09:22 PM) *
But they typically trickle from the same small group of people playing them week in week out, which, if anything means they are really rather smaller hits than one that sold a copy each to a much bigger group of people back in the day, even if the latter only charted for a few weeks at the time.

However it's worth considering that it takes a LOAD of streams to even make 1 full sale these days. 100 streams = 1 sale if you're using Spotify Premium, and you can only have 10 streams a day maximum. I know only a select few songs a year reach 100 plays for me. Back in the day, CD singles often had 2 or 3 formats - you could go and buy it twice and it'd count for 2 sales instantly! That's instantly more than I'll contribute through Spotify towards my favourite songs nowadays. It'd actually take a large group of people to keep streams accumulating over time.

This is why there's no real clear way of comparing - neither method is perfect. Downloads were probably the clearest way to compare like-for-like but obviously chucking everything together makes it blurry. Songs like Bad Vibe may not have peaked especially high but I'd argue it was bigger than a chunk of Girls Aloud's hits (as much as I love them). I'd find it a stretch to say something like Whole Lotta History was bigger using your reasoning...!

Posted by: DanChartFan Jun 13 2019, 08:29 PM

QUOTE(JosephAvery @ Jun 13 2019, 08:51 PM) *
You're not wrong with this - Oops was definitely a notable hit and #41 in the streaming era means a hell of a lot more than #41 did during the 90s and 00s. It's undoubtedly inflated (like I said, due to a continued period of availability which the Spice Girls, Girls Aloud, Sugababes, etc songs didn't have at the time of their release)


I'm not sure which way you are arguing here? Either #41 means more in the streaming era, which presumably means it's position in this list is a fiar reflection of that, OR the streaming hits are being inflated in this list compared to the non-streaming ones, in which case the position for it in this list is overly generous, meaning it should be lower.

I can just about accept that #41 in the streaming era might be equivelant to perhaps #20-#25 in the old sales era, due to the number of bigger hits staying around longer in this era having the effect of pushing the lesser hits down somewhat, but I can't accept that it can have the effect of making such a low chart position in this era equate to some of the top 3 hits from the sales era

Posted by: Euphorique Jun 13 2019, 08:31 PM

Oops? What a joke of a list.

Posted by: JosephAvery Jun 13 2019, 08:37 PM

QUOTE(DanChartFan @ Jun 13 2019, 09:29 PM) *
I'm not sure which way you are arguing here? Either #41 means more in the streaming era, which presumably means it's position in this list is a fiar reflection of that, OR the streaming hits are being inflated in this list compared to the non-streaming ones, in which case the position for it in this list is overly generous, meaning it should be lower.

I can just about accept that #41 in the streaming era might be equivelant to perhaps #20-#25 in the old sales era, due to the number of bigger hits staying around longer in this era having the effect of pushing the lesser hits down somewhat, but I can't accept that it can have the effect of making such a low chart position in this era equate to some of the top 3 hits from the sales era

I'm arguing both ways because both sides have fair points. #41 DOES mean more in the streaming era and that's pretty clear to anybody who follows the chart - Oops is way bigger than any given #41 hit from the 00s I'm sure. There is undoubtedly inflation too, which I explained in the quoted post - the availability of Oops over an extended period of time during its peak (as opposed to being deleted or relying on stock of shops) meant it could continue to rack up plays when it was at its most popular. I wouldn't say it's an overly-generous position because it's obviously popular, it's just had an unfair advantage.

The thing is, the hits these days are hanging around longer and proving their continued popularity. That's where they prove themselves - peak positions matter less. Equally, a #3 hit from the sales era could have nosedived due to fanbase purchases in week 1. Ultimately, which is more popular? One has longevity and one has a higher peak. It's up to interpretation I guess but that's just how the chart landscape has changed.

Posted by: DanChartFan Jun 13 2019, 08:43 PM

QUOTE(JosephAvery @ Jun 13 2019, 09:28 PM) *
However it's worth considering that it takes a LOAD of streams to even make 1 full sale these days. 100 streams = 1 sale if you're using Spotify Premium, and you can only have 10 streams a day maximum. I know only a select few songs a year reach 100 plays for me. Back in the day, CD singles often had 2 or 3 formats - you could go and buy it twice and it'd count for 2 sales instantly! That's instantly more than I'll contribute through Spotify towards my favourite songs nowadays. It'd actually take a large group of people to keep streams accumulating over time.

This is why there's no real clear way of comparing - neither method is perfect. Downloads were probably the clearest way to compare like-for-like but obviously chucking everything together makes it blurry. Songs like Bad Vibe may not have peaked especially high but I'd argue it was bigger than a chunk of Girls Aloud's hits (as much as I love them). I'd find it a stretch to say something like Whole Lotta History was bigger using your reasoning...!


The two purchases together is instantly more in that one week, but this sales list potentially takes into account a contribution of up to 0.7 sales every week until you get sick of playing the song. I realise most people aren't going to play a track 100 times a week, but even if they are only say doing a tenth of that, then a contribution of 0.07 a week, for say six months (probably realistic if they like the song), makes a 'sale' of 1.82, at which point even if their streams start to drop off in favour of newer hits they will still surely stream it from time to time thereafter, and probably easily reach or surpass the instant two sales of the sales era eventually. In the sales era however, there was a disincentive to buying two or more copies, in that it cost you more actual money, so whilst some people did buy multiple formats, and sometimes this had an effect on some close battles between #1 and #2, most of the time I imagine most people bought a single copy, and only a few hits might have been noticeably skewed by the effect of multi-formatting.

Posted by: Bjork Jun 13 2019, 08:52 PM

QUOTE(DanChartFan @ Jun 13 2019, 10:43 PM) *
The two purchases together is instantly more in that one week, but this sales list potentially takes into account a contribution of up to 0.7 sales every week until you get sick of playing the song. I realise most people aren't going to play a track 100 times a week, but even if they are only say doing a tenth of that, then a contribution of 0.07 a week, for say six months (probably realistic if they like the song), makes a 'sale' of 1.82, at which point even if their streams start to drop off in favour of newer hits they will still surely stream it from time to time thereafter, and probably easily reach or surpass the instant two sales of the sales era eventually. In the sales era however, there was a disincentive to buying two or more copies, in that it cost you more actual money, so whilst some people did buy multiple formats, and sometimes this had an effect on some close battles between #1 and #2, most of the time I imagine most people bought a single copy, and only a few hits might have been noticeably skewed by the effect of multi-formatting.


I think it's the opposite of what you say

with streaming it takes lots of people to stream track to be successful, sure it's not a few people streaming a track forever, don't think you understand how streaming works tbh

and back in the day fanbase buying multiformats had a massive effect, the skew was crazy in a weekly basis, think during britpop with the 5th single from Suede or Mansun's album making the top 10, that was all due to dedicated fans buying formats, now the 5th single of a Suede album wouldn't even make the top 1000

Posted by: Jonjo Jun 13 2019, 09:11 PM

Oops received a little bit of airplay and a primetime XF Finale performance slot (it was a couple of years before they were getting just 4m viewers or whatever 👀)

I feel like SOTME, Touch, Black Magic, Wings, Secret Love Song (arguably their biggest WW hit) & possibly Power (it's constantly soundbedding VTs and things) are all well known and big enough to be up there and considered as some of the greatest girl group singles of all time, imo.

Posted by: DanChartFan Jun 13 2019, 09:12 PM

QUOTE(Bjork @ Jun 13 2019, 09:52 PM) *
I think it's the opposite of what you say

with streaming it takes lots of people to stream track to be successful, sure it's not a few people streaming a track forever, don't think you understand how streaming works tbh

and back in the day fanbase buying multiformats had a massive effect, the skew was crazy in a weekly basis, think during britpop with the 5th single from Suede or Mansun's album making the top 10, that was all due to dedicated fans buying formats, now the 5th single of a Suede album wouldn't even make the top 1000


I stream music myself, so know how it work in principle. It depends what you mean by 'to be successful', if you mean chart position in the short term then sure you need a lot of people streaming in the weeks it's high up the charts (since there is a 10 plays per day per streamer cap), but some of these streaming hits never reached top 20 even (one missed the top 40), so aren't necessarily being streamed by such high numbers of people in the short term. The total lifetime sales however continues to count repeat plays from whoever was playing it originally, and over time that can easily become equivelant to two or three or more sales onto the lifetime total.

Maybe though you also argue that many of the people who were force in the sales era to buy one whole copy would have stopped streaming it sooner in the streaming era and not contributed that much. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I know despite what this list appears to suggest that songs like Sugababes Round Round and Girls Aloud Love Machine are notably bigger and much more well known hits than Oops by Little Mix (which I'd never heard of (though having played it on youtube I do like it), which never reached the top 40, and which was never an officially released track in the first place, just an album track (though I acknowledge that the lines have become very blurred now in the streaming era).

Posted by: sammy01 Jun 13 2019, 09:12 PM

The OCC would never do it because Little Mix fans would cry and moan but those 2016/17/18 songs need downgrading. It is obvious they got the ratio wrong at that time and let 'streaming sales' get completely out of control.

It is a shame as many true hits are buried on lists like this as a result.

Posted by: Jonjo Jun 13 2019, 09:16 PM

QUOTE(sammy01 @ Jun 13 2019, 10:12 PM) *
The OCC would never do it because Little Mix fans would cry and moan but those 2016/17/18 songs need downgrading. It is obvious they got the ratio wrong at that time and let 'streaming sales' get completely out of control.

It is a shame as many true hits are buried on lists like this as a result.
It's not "at the time". This is the same ratio for all the songs isn't it? When taking into account "total sales/points" (or whatever it is called nowadays lol) . So you can change the ratio all you want, they're all going to have the same ratio, aren't they?

(Sorry I'm not 100% with chart stuff nowadays lol)

Posted by: diamondtooth Jun 13 2019, 09:30 PM

I’m surprised Eternals album Always and Forever is not higher. Given that it was the first girlband album to sell over 1m in the U.K. And here it’s not even top 10. Also it’s chart run always pretty amazing.
Maybe album sales were low back then in the ‘90’s.

Posted by: DanChartFan Jun 13 2019, 09:31 PM

QUOTE(Jonjo @ Jun 13 2019, 10:16 PM) *
It's not "at the time". This is the same ratio for all the songs isn't it? When taking into account "total sales/points" (or whatever it is called nowadays lol) . So you can change the ratio all you want, they're all going to have the same ratio, aren't they?

(Sorry I'm not 100% with chart stuff nowadays lol)


No I think the 2016 hits are added on at whatever ratio was current then, and so on for each year, as the OCC maintains a continually updated sales total for each hit as each week's chart is added to all the lifetimes. I don't think the OCC has taken the time/effort and gone back and recalculated streams from past years for a ton of releases with a revised ratio (but am happy to be proved wrong, if this is the case).

Posted by: slowdown73 Jun 13 2019, 09:32 PM

Wannabee is such a shockingly bad song to top the list. It’s so tacky it’s unreal.

Posted by: The Hit Parade Jun 13 2019, 09:38 PM

QUOTE(Jay ☆ @ Jun 13 2019, 06:51 PM) *
They've overlooked 99 Souls - The Girl Is Mine, its credit included "feat. Destiny's Child"!


No sign of She's Gone by Matthew Marsden Featuring Destiny's Child either!


(yeah, I know)

Posted by: JosephAvery Jun 13 2019, 09:40 PM

QUOTE(DanChartFan @ Jun 13 2019, 10:31 PM) *
No I think the 2016 hits are added on at whatever ratio was current then, and so on for each year, as the OCC maintains a continually updated sales total for each hit as each week's chart is added to all the lifetimes. I don't think the OCC has taken the time/effort and gone back and recalculated streams from past years for a ton of releases with a revised ratio (but am happy to be proved wrong, if this is the case).

Streams from 2014-mid 2018 were all added to a song's total at a ratio of 100:1 (even when the ratio was 150:1, and ACR does not exist for total sales). Since mid 2018 it has remained at 100:1 for premium streams but reduced to 600:1 for ad-based services (ie. Free Spotify, YouTube, etc). They have not rewritten history (the OCC don't seem to like doing that these days, understandably so).

Posted by: DanChartFan Jun 13 2019, 09:42 PM

QUOTE(slowdown73 @ Jun 13 2019, 10:32 PM) *
Wannabee is such a shockingly bad song to top the list. It’s so tacky it’s unreal.


There's no denying it was a huge hit though, and that most people knew of it and could sing sing you a few bars. There's also no doubt that even today, nearly 23 years on, many people still love it.

Posted by: Jordan Lee Jun 13 2019, 10:10 PM

Crazy list there in places.

Songs like MO’s track behind ahead of Girls Alouds The Promise and Sugababes Push The Button is crazy! They’re far more known with the GP!

I totally thought Girls Aloud were a bit bigger sales wise than what they really were though even albums wise I thought their highest would be higher than the Sugababes highest. I knew Sugababes had more #1s but GA always felt more iconic.

Posted by: sammy01 Jun 13 2019, 10:16 PM

QUOTE(slowdown73 @ Jun 13 2019, 10:32 PM) *
Wannabee is such a shockingly bad song to top the list. It’s so tacky it’s unreal.


It was scientifically proven to be the most recognisable song of all time. It also for a song from the 90s that isn't a Christmas song has very high streams and YouTube views. It has stood the test of time in terms of popularity. It absolutely deserves to be at the top of this list.

Speaking of Wannabe like some mid 90s songs its sales were downgraded by the OCC and the total 1.78m currently is the downgraded total. So if the OCC can downgrade 90s songs it can do those 2016/17/18 songs. As I say though social medis exists now and if Shout out to my ex total had a more relative streaming ratio applied and was downgraded to say 1m Little Mix fans would go ballistic on social media. It was evidently easier to quietly downgrade 90s songs where fanbases mainly stopped caring of their sales total.

Posted by: Medellíam Jun 13 2019, 10:55 PM

I've added some sales to the opening post as a guide to what everything has sold.

Last known sales for 'Never Ever' were 1.475m as of July 2018. That's 35k in the last 11 months, which works out as ~800 copies a week. Before that, its total was 1.43m as of September 2017 (45k in 10 months; ~1.1k a week). I'm guessing its current total can nearly be rounded up to 1.52m, which would push its weekly average closer to ~1k.

'Pure Shores' was on 954k as of July 2018, so at least 46k in the last 11 months now that we know it's definitely over 1m. Selling ~1k a week.

'Bootie Call' was on 258k as of September 2018 so must have just missed out.

'Work From Home' had sold 1.21m as of September 2017; 260k in the last 21 months and ~3.1k a week.

'Hold On' sold about 210k in 1990; total sales are ~545k.

'Stay' sold about 490k in 1992; total sales are ~775k.

'Push It' sold about 320k in 1988; total sales are nearly at 600k.

Posted by: miichaelking21 Jun 13 2019, 11:32 PM

The Saturdays having the 3rd most entries just feels right

Posted by: Jay ☆ Jun 14 2019, 07:42 AM

QUOTE(diamondtooth @ Jun 13 2019, 10:30 PM) *
I’m surprised Eternals album Always and Forever is not higher. Given that it was the first girlband album to sell over 1m in the U.K. And here it’s not even top 10. Also it’s chart run always pretty amazing.
Maybe album sales were low back then in the ‘90’s.

The list definitely won’t include its sales from 1993, and unfortunately OCC decided a number of years ago to downgrade sales from 1994-1996, so Always and Forever definitely suffers from that retrospective alteration. A huge shame because Eternal were notable for that “first girl group to sell 1m albums” fact you mention. In a “best selling albums of the 90s” list it was said to have sold 1.18m copies by the end of that decade. “Spice” suffered a bit too, originally thought to have sold 3.12m. 20 years later and it’s still not quite managed to cross over 3m after around 200k was removed off its original total.

I’m wondering what the cut off point is for the list, whether it is from the beginning of 1994 or if it’s midway through that year.

Posted by: Jay ☆ Jun 14 2019, 08:00 AM

If any of you feel inclined to tweet or Facebook OCC to inform them that Sound of the Underground (Girls Aloud) and Three (Sugababes) are missing, that would be helpful. They’ve still not noticed.

Posted by: Robbie Jun 14 2019, 08:10 AM

QUOTE(Jay ☆ @ Jun 14 2019, 08:42 AM) *
The list definitely won’t include its sales from 1993, and unfortunately OCC decided a number of years ago to downgrade sales from 1994-1996, so Always and Forever definitely suffers from that retrospective alteration. A huge shame because Eternal were notable for that “first girl group to sell 1m albums” fact you mention. In a “best selling albums of the 90s” list it was said to have sold 1.18m copies by the end of that decade. “Spice” suffered a bit too, originally thought to have sold 3.12m. 20 years later and it’s still not quite managed to cross over 3m after around 200k was removed off its original total.

I’m wondering what the cut off point is for the list, whether it is from the beginning of 1994 or if it’s midway through that year.
It should be sales from 1 February 1994 as that was the date that Millward Brown took over compiling the chart (from Gallup). The OCC only hold comprehensive sales data from that date.

Posted by: myxxd Jun 14 2019, 08:23 AM

When will we get Little Mix's Greatest Hits album?

Shout Out and Black Magic are their most powerful singles

Posted by: Jay ☆ Jun 17 2019, 12:25 PM

The album article has been edited, we now have:

10th Sugababes - Three
31st Girls Aloud - Sound of the Underground

Posted by: Spiceboy Jun 17 2019, 02:14 PM

It's a really interesting list I have to say. I've always viewed Little Mix as having very similar success to Girls Aloud and Sugbabes UK wise, however this list makes them appear to be tons bigger than GA or Sugababes ever were. That's my issue with streaming.

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever Jun 17 2019, 02:55 PM

Are girls aloud highest then on greatest hits releases?

Posted by: Jordan Lee Jun 17 2019, 04:34 PM

Three by Sugababes being top ten is great. Their best album for me heart.gif

And GAs best studio album is their best seller too cheer.gif

I just wish with LM that Get Weird had Glory Days success.

Posted by: Danny89 Jun 17 2019, 06:30 PM

The lack of ‘Eternal’ output in the list is infuriating!

Between 1993-1997 they had such classic discography. Much better than a lot of the spice girls singles.

Also I think they were the first girlband in Britain to have million selling album. Easily one of Britain’s best girlbands, and very often criminally overlooked and forgotten.


Posted by: Spiceboy Jun 17 2019, 08:39 PM

QUOTE(Jordan Lee @ Jun 17 2019, 05:34 PM) *
Three by Sugababes being top ten is great. Their best album for me heart.gif

And GAs best studio album is their best seller too cheer.gif

I just wish with LM that Get Weird had Glory Days success.



Do you really think Out of control is Girls Aloud best studio album??? blink.gif

I mean it has some great tracks but as an album it no way compares to Chemistry, Tangled Up and What Will The Neighbours Say!?

Posted by: Jack Murs Feb 27 2020, 12:58 PM

QUOTE(DanChartFan @ Jun 13 2019, 07:11 PM) *
and what was at the time a pretty huge number one by Shakespears Sister (though I was shocked the other week when I found out my friends, aged 30 and 33, had never heard of the song!!).


Don't forget this list is based on sales/streams since 1994. "Stay" was out in 1992, add in its original sales and it would be around #21 on this list.

Posted by: Spiceboy Feb 28 2020, 05:09 PM

QUOTE(Jay ☆ @ Jun 13 2019, 06:50 PM) *
3 weeks ago they revealed that Spice Girls - Holler / Let Love Lead the Way (#92 in the list) has sold 287,000, so that can give you a more accurate estimation for Shakespears Sister!



How can stay be on less than 300k when it was #1 for 8weeks!?!? Wtf?

Posted by: ME! Feb 28 2020, 05:38 PM

QUOTE(Spiceboy @ Feb 28 2020, 05:09 PM) *
How can stay be on less than 300k when it was #1 for 8weeks!?!? Wtf?


This is based on sales from 94 onwards. “Stay” was released in 92.

Posted by: Spiceboy Feb 29 2020, 11:23 AM

QUOTE(ME! @ Feb 28 2020, 05:38 PM) *
This is based on sales from 94 onwards. “Stay” was released in 92.


Aaah that makes much more sense, I was really confused laugh.gif

Posted by: ben08 Oct 29 2021, 12:03 PM

https://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/25-incredible-facts-about-spice-girls-iconic-debut-album__34328/

Selected sales figures.

1. Spice reached Number 1 in 17 countries. Its lowest chart placing was in Hungary, where it reached Number 10.

2. It is the best-selling girl group album of all time, with a reported 31 million copies sold worldwide.

3. It’s also the best-selling girl group album in the UK, where it’s overall chart sales are 3.01 million, making it 10x Platinum. This figure is made up of: 2.94 million physical sales, 60,000 streaming equivalent sales, and 12,200 downloads, according to Official Charts Company data.

4. First week sales for Spice in the UK were 128,873.

5. The album’s highest week of sales in the UK was the penultimate week of 1996, when it shifted a massive 364,675 copies. By the end of 1996 Spice had sold 1.54 million in the UK.

12. Spice’s first single Wannabe is also the group’s biggest single overall, with 2.1 million chart sales, including 92 million streams. The track debuted at Number 3 but rose to Number 1 the following week, logging seven weeks at the summit.

13. The album’s second single Say You’ll Be There landed straight in at Number 1 and spent two weeks there, opening with 323,645 sales – a considerable leap from Wannabe’s first-week sales of 59,071.

Posted by: Jord Dec 27 2023, 01:52 PM

I’d love an updated list here (and some kind of Buzzjacks ultimate Girlband studio album / single)


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