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Suedehead2 View member profile	10th December 2019, 10:07 AM Post #321
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,679 User: 3,272	QUOTE(vidsanta @ Dec 10 2019, 08:47 AM) Can you name one offhand? Any Lib Dem for decades until 2010. Denis Skinner.


vidcapper View member profile	10th December 2019, 10:35 AM Post #322
Paul Hyett Joined: 4 April 2006 Posts: 25,346 User: 364	QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Dec 10 2019, 10:07 AM) Any Lib Dem for decades until 2010. Denis Skinner. OK, I'll give you Skinner, but not the LD's, from the example we had here in Cheltenham.


Suedehead2 View member profile	10th December 2019, 12:46 PM Post #323
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,679 User: 3,272	QUOTE(vidsanta @ Dec 10 2019, 10:35 AM) OK, I'll give you Skinner, but not the LD's, from the example we had here in Cheltenham. Read what I said. Are you seriously suggesting every Lib Dem MP in the 1940s to the 2000s seriously thought they would be a minister?


crazy chris View member profile	10th December 2019, 02:13 PM Post #324
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 7 March 2006 Posts: 22,001 User: 53	QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Dec 10 2019, 12:46 PM) Read what I said. Are you seriously suggesting every Lib Dem MP in the 1940s to the 2000s seriously thought they would be a minister? I meant WANTED to be a minister, aspired to become one though. Obviously if their party never gets in to government they can't.


Suedehead2 View member profile	10th December 2019, 05:06 PM Post #325
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,679 User: 3,272	QUOTE(Crazy Chris-tmas @ Dec 10 2019, 02:13 PM) I meant WANTED to be a minister, aspired to become one though. Obviously if their party never gets in to government they can't. If they were so keen to be a minister, they would have joined another party. Surely you can understand that.


crazy chris View member profile	10th December 2019, 05:55 PM Post #326
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 7 March 2006 Posts: 22,001 User: 53	QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Dec 10 2019, 05:06 PM) If they were so keen to be a minister, they would have joined another party. Surely you can understand that. Of course I understand that.


vidcapper View member profile	12th December 2019, 07:37 AM Post #327
Paul Hyett Joined: 4 April 2006 Posts: 25,346 User: 364	It's not just the LD's... Just having a last look at the election leaflets, and I noticed that the Green Party one quoted a Tewkesbury Borough Council result for one ward, with them winning on just 34% of the vote, using this to try and justify the claim 'we can win in Tewkesbury' despite getting just 2.7% in the GE last time.


Suedehead2 View member profile	12th December 2019, 08:09 AM Post #328
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,679 User: 3,272	QUOTE(vidsanta @ Dec 12 2019, 07:37 AM) It's not just the LD's... Just having a last look at the election leaflets, and I noticed that the Green Party one quoted a Tewkesbury Borough Council result for one ward, with them winning on just 34% of the vote, using this to try and justify the claim 'we can win in Tewkesbury' despite getting just 2.7% in the GE last time. All parties have done it. Some of the bar charts are more valid than others. Bar charts are a perfectly good way of illustrating a point; it’s a pity they have been abused so much that many people will now ignore even the more legitimate ones.


Long Dong Silver View member profile	12th December 2019, 11:28 AM Post #329
Buffy/Charmed Joined: 18 April 2013 Posts: 44,117 User: 18,639	And 88% od the Tory facebook ads are lies. Facebook was so concerned with the volume, they took some down and google did the same! Zuckerberg's fault for allowing it to happen to protect the right wing tax-lenient govs and take away one of the left's greatest platforms, forcing people back to the right wing neolib media. I say that's far worse than a couple of leaflet fibs.


vidcapper View member profile	8th January 2020, 07:23 AM Post #330
Paul Hyett Joined: 4 April 2006 Posts: 25,346 User: 364	They just don't give up... Lib Dems to push for a public inquiry into the EU referendum and Brexit https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-storie...rexit-1-6452000 *********************** Yes, they have a job to do in the HoC, but in their feeble position, it just looks like sour grapes. This post has been edited by vidcapper**: 8th January 2020, 07:26 AM


crazy chris View member profile	8th January 2020, 07:55 AM Post #331
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 7 March 2006 Posts: 22,001 User: 53	Of course it's sour grapes. They'll try anything to stop Brexit. This post has been edited by Crazy Chris: 8th January 2020, 07:58 AM


Suedehead2 View member profile	8th January 2020, 08:08 AM Post #332
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,679 User: 3,272	QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 8 2020, 07:23 AM) They just don't give up... Lib Dems to push for a public inquiry into the EU referendum and Brexit https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-storie...rexit-1-6452000 ************************* Yes, they have a job to do in the HoC, but in their feeble position, it just looks like sour grapes. There remains plenty of evidence that the Leave campaign broke the law and that there was foreign interference. If you disagree, why are you so worried about the prospect of a thorough investigation?


vidcapper View member profile	8th January 2020, 08:21 AM Post #333
Paul Hyett Joined: 4 April 2006 Posts: 25,346 User: 364	QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jan 8 2020, 08:08 AM) There remains plenty of evidence that the Leave campaign broke the law and that there was foreign interference. If you disagree, why are you so worried about the prospect of a thorough investigation? Personally I don't mind either way, but with Boris's HoC majority, there's not a snowball in hell's chance of the LD's amendments passing.


Suedehead2 View member profile	8th January 2020, 04:19 PM Post #334
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,679 User: 3,272	QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 8 2020, 08:21 AM) Personally I don't mind either way, but with Boris's HoC majority, there's not a snowball in hell's chance of the LD's amendments passing. So the two so-called democracies where it is particularly difficult to hold the government to account for potential breaches of the law are the UK and the US. It is, of course, no coincidence that both countries use FPTP.


vidcapper View member profile	9th January 2020, 05:47 AM Post #335
Paul Hyett Joined: 4 April 2006 Posts: 25,346 User: 364	QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jan 8 2020, 04:19 PM) So the two so-called democracies where it is particularly difficult to hold the government to account for potential breaches of the law are the UK and the US. It is, of course, no coincidence that both countries use FPTP. Surely that's better than the stagnation of a hung parliament, though?


Suedehead2 View member profile	9th January 2020, 08:14 AM Post #336
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,679 User: 3,272	QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 9 2020, 05:47 AM) Surely that's better than the stagnation of a hung parliament, though? Most European countries always have parliaments where no single party has a majority. They seem to manage.


vidcapper View member profile	9th January 2020, 09:15 AM Post #337
Paul Hyett Joined: 4 April 2006 Posts: 25,346 User: 364	QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jan 9 2020, 08:14 AM) Most European countries always have parliaments where no single party has a majority. They seem to manage. Possibly because they have given away much of their power to the EU?


Suedehead2 View member profile	9th January 2020, 09:28 AM Post #338
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,679 User: 3,272	QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 9 2020, 09:15 AM) Possibly because they have given away much of their power to the EU? FFS, what has the EU got to do with anything? In most cases, the opposite is true. Belgium was able to go without a government for a year because so much power is devolved downwards.


vidcapper View member profile	9th January 2020, 10:08 AM Post #339
Paul Hyett Joined: 4 April 2006 Posts: 25,346 User: 364	QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jan 9 2020, 09:28 AM) FFS, what has the EU got to do with anything? In most cases, the opposite is true. Belgium was able to go without a government for a year because so much power is devolved downwards. IMO the threat to sovereignty is why a lot of people voted for Brexit in the first place. Unlike you, we don't believe the unquantified 'benefits' outweigh the drawbacks.


Suedehead2 View member profile	9th January 2020, 10:13 AM Post #340
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,679 User: 3,272	QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 9 2020, 10:08 AM) IMO the threat to sovereignty is why a lot of people voted for Brexit in the first place. Unlike you, we don't believe the unquantified 'benefits' outweigh the drawbacks. Wrong. Many of us simply don't buy the "threat to sovereignty" argument. The existence of a veto renders that argument nonsense.