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 Oct 17 2019, 10:25 PM
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 #38BBE0 otherwise known as 'sky blue'
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Continue that exciting Brexit chat here as we count down to the WA2.0 debate on Saturday.
Latest projection from the FT: 
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Oct 17 2019, 10:25 PM
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Lib-Dem Norman Lamb, who is not standing at the next election, has said he'll back the deal.
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Oct 17 2019, 10:27 PM
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What a joke! They votes against Mad May's 3x just to torpedo her and put one of their posh boys in charge instead! Atrocious deal.
If that joke of a deal passes, then not only are Labour turning the country into a PERMANENT Tory one party state for the next 20 years at least, but it will be far hardar to rejoin. Those Tory shetbags won't run a second referendum, no matter how bad it gets for the average man. |
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Oct 17 2019, 10:28 PM
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#38BBE0 otherwise known as 'sky blue'
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QUOTE(Freddie Kruger @ Oct 17 2019, 11:25 PM)  Lib-Dem Norman Lamb, who is not standing at the next election, has said he'll back the deal. Yes, he's included in the numbers up there. As are the 7 Labour MPs already confirmed to be backing the deal. |
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Oct 17 2019, 10:30 PM
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Howdy, disco citizens
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The most interesting thing about those projections - I've learned that Change UK is still going under a new name. No idea why they're still bothering though. Is the 1 Lib Dem MP in that projection the one who resigned the whip to vote for May's original deal, or someone else?
*edit* - oh, it's Sheepie. |
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Oct 17 2019, 10:31 PM
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Queen of Soon
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QUOTE(Freddie Kruger @ Oct 17 2019, 11:12 PM) The Scots are annoying me on QT. "We didn't vote for this" Excuse me but Scotland voted to remain part of the UK and in 2016 the UK AS A WHOLE voted to Leave the EU. So tough. ”The Scots”. Do one hun. Her name is Dr Philippa Whitford and she is a breast cancer specialist surgeon with 20 years surgical experience. Show her the respect she deserves. You’ve been told time and time again. In 2014 we were told there would be no EU referendum and we’d stay an EU member and voting No was the only way to stay an EU member. The Scottish public were lied to. 2016 was a complete betrayal of the 2014 vote. The UK as a whole didn’t vote to leave, England voted to leave and that was that. It didn’t matter what the rest of the country wanted so long as Sunderland could vote itself into the dole queue QUOTE(Trick Or Queef! @ Oct 17 2019, 11:16 PM) The good news is: if this Tory shit passes, we can all move to an indeoendent Scotland. It's still the same island. The culture's basically the same. The cities and towns and countryside look familiar to anyone in the north east/ Cumbria, so it wouldn't even be that big of a change. Except the accent and language is very different! QUOTE(Freddie Kruger @ Oct 17 2019, 11:18 PM) Last time the Scots wanted to stay in the UK and may still do next time. Trust me. None of my compatriots want to share a country with people like you. We will vote to leave the shackles of England |
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Oct 17 2019, 10:34 PM
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QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Oct 17 2019, 11:31 PM) ”The Scots”. Do one hun. Her name is Dr Philippa Whitford and she is a breast cancer specialist surgeon with 20 years surgical experience. Show her the respect she deserves. You’ve been told time and time again. In 2014 we were told there would be no EU referendum and we’d stay an EU member and voting No was the only way to stay an EU member. The Scottish public were lied to. 2016 was a complete betrayal of the 2014 vote. The UK as a whole didn’t vote to leave, England voted to leave and that was that. It didn’t matter what the rest of the country wanted so long as Sunderland could vote itself into the dole queue Except the accent and language is very different! Trust me. None of my compatriots want to share a country with people like you. We will vote to leave the shackles of England I honestlt kept thinking I was hearing prople from me city when I was last in Scotland  It sounded almost identical if I wasn't paying attention. Scotland's the best part of the country, excepr for Oxford and Cambridge, so remainers get to keep the best bit.
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Oct 17 2019, 10:36 PM
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Queen of Soon
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QUOTE(Trick Or Queef! @ Oct 17 2019, 11:34 PM) I honestlt kept thinking I was hearing prople from me city when I was last in Scotland It sounded almost identical if I wasn't paying attention. Scotland's the best part of the country, excepr for Oxford and Cambridge, so remainers get to keep the best bit.Get yourself a hearing test at specsavers Michael!! Not even Berwick-upon-Tweed has an accent close to the Scottish accents. Never mind the ones deeper into Geordieland!! |
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Oct 17 2019, 10:37 PM
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Did that troll actually just say that?!
No one voted for this shit deal. Scotland, a COUNTRY, voted to remain. It was 2 v 2. The end. They are in the right. Go bonnie Scotland! Time for Caledonian Antisyzygy to come to an end. Time for independence, and all the polls are backing it already. Imagine after brexshit! I'm just at how sneaky and slimy the Tories are, supporting one deal over a better one based on who is presenting it. Vile.
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Oct 17 2019, 10:43 PM
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#38BBE0 otherwise known as 'sky blue'
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QUOTE(Trick Or Queef! @ Oct 17 2019, 11:37 PM) I'm just at how sneaky and slimy the Tories are, supporting one deal over a better one based on who is presenting it. Vile.Indeed, or how quickly they can just brush over this: |
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Oct 17 2019, 10:46 PM
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Oct 17 2019, 11:43 PM) Indeed, or how quickly they can just brush over this: If we had an actually non-biased media, things like him would never, ever get elected. |
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Oct 17 2019, 10:47 PM
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Queen of Soon
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The silver lining to this absolute horror show is that the insanity of the VAT regime is going to provide a good decade of work for me and my colleagues in Indirect Tax Consulting.
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Oct 17 2019, 10:49 PM
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Also, if I got PURGED from my party by a jumped up unelected beaurocrat through his useful idiot, I would do them NO favours with any votes. Tories are so weak!
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Oct 17 2019, 10:53 PM
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Won't be posting tomorrow. You deserve a break from me. Am sure Michael can post for both of us.
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Oct 18 2019, 12:21 AM
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QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Oct 17 2019, 11:31 PM) ”The Scots”. Do one hun. Her name is Dr Philippa Whitford and she is a breast cancer specialist surgeon with 20 years surgical experience. Show her the respect she deserves. You’ve been told time and time again. In 2014 we were told there would be no EU referendum and we’d stay an EU member and voting No was the only way to stay an EU member. The Scottish public were lied to. 2016 was a complete betrayal of the 2014 vote. The UK as a whole didn’t vote to leave, England voted to leave and that was that. It didn’t matter what the rest of the country wanted so long as Sunderland could vote itself into the dole queue Except the accent and language is very different! Trust me. None of my compatriots want to share a country with people like you. We will vote to leave the shackles of England I agree with all you say but wasn't the referendum declared in 2013 (if DC won an election)? Before the Scottish referendum!? |
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Oct 18 2019, 12:38 AM
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Queen of Soon
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ Oct 18 2019, 01:21 AM) I agree with all you say but wasn't the referendum declared in 2013 (if DC won an election)? Before the Scottish referendum!? Yeah it was before and the SNP did make plenty of references to it but all the unionists denied it would happen, denied we’d ever leave, denied there could ever be a circumstance where Scotland voted remain and we left because of England. EU membership was one of the big big vote killers for Yes last time because the unionist line was parroted by the media (remembering all but the Sunday Herald was pro-No) and by the No campaign at every single opportunity. It was effective. There’s countless quotes and clips of “The only way to remove Scotland’s EU membership is to vote Yes” And here we are. Fundamental change in circumstances and the electorate was lied to. We should get another say. Clearly Scotland and England want different futures, why tie each other down? Oh yeah! Our oil. |
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Oct 18 2019, 02:02 AM
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Oct 17 2019, 11:25 PM) Continue that exciting Brexit chat here as we count down to the WA2.0 debate on Saturday. Latest projection from the FT: How accurate is the FT? Given how close it looks, I doubt it gets through. Particularly as it assumes almost 100% of conservative MPs (independent or not) supporting it. Saturday is going to be a long day, but potentially game changing as well. |
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Oct 18 2019, 06:00 AM
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QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Oct 17 2019, 08:59 PM) You’re less than a year away from a successful vote for Scotland repealing the Act of Union and re-establishing itself as an independent European nation Aren't you jumping the gun a bit? |
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Oct 18 2019, 06:04 AM
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Paul Hyett
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Going back to Queef's idea of 3-1 country approval for brexit - should London also remain in because they voted strongly against Brexit - after all, its population is roughly the same as Scotland's?
 Or for that matter, why not decide whether to Remain or Leave on an individual constituency basis?  This post has been edited by vidcapper: Oct 18 2019, 06:07 AM |
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Oct 18 2019, 06:16 AM
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Think about why people are making these suggestions. We’ve never had a vote before that forcibly stripped half the country of rights they would have rather kept. I think it’s really rather callous to laugh about it.
Freedom of movement is no joke, it’s so much better on expatriated workers than a long and stressful visa process. The EU arrangement we had was no joke, it was the best any country ever had. Once we leave and things turn out bad, it will be very unlikely we will ever get such a good deal back. |
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