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Posted by: Qassändra 26th March 2016, 12:07 PM

Probably about time we had a running thread for this given the first proper takedown attempts are happening now.

An absolutely brutal evisceration of Boris by former Tory MP Matthew Parris in The Times today. What few supporters he has in the Commons must be having second thoughts.



With Osborne potentially fatally wounded by IDS, and skeletons like these lurking for Boris, it's interesting to think who else may be in the final two chosen by MPs. I wouldn't rule out a total left-field candidate at this point.

Posted by: Suedehead2 26th March 2016, 12:23 PM

I still suspect that there may be sufficient Tory MPs with a modicum of common sense to prevent Johnson reaching the final two.

Posted by: Oliver 26th March 2016, 12:28 PM

That was beautiful to read.

Posted by: Brett-Butler 26th March 2016, 12:33 PM

Ouch, that is one brutal roasting from Mr Parris. I've seen a few suggestions that the reason why he's decided to attack Boris now is because of his anti-EU stance, although I believe that's a discussion for another thread. Still, it will be interesting to see whether this article will open the floodgates to other similarly barbed attacks on Boris.

I think that the next Conservative leader will be someone who isn't necessarily within the current leadership's inner circle, although the Conservative's current rules for electing a leader mean we're not likely to see a really insurgent outsider take the leadership a la Corbyn for Labour.

I have two preferences for the next leader. The first is Jacob Rees-Mogg. He's highly unlikely to ever get a look-in for various reasons, mainly because he's seen as a relic from Tory parties past who seems anachronistic in the current parliament, but he's incredibly popular within his own constituency, very few people would question that he's a highly intellectual individual (even the SNP admit this), and his election would be welcomed by Labour, who would likely see his leadership as their only chance of a Corbyn victory in 2020. Plus, I agree with his policy that guitars shouldn't be used during Catholic mass.

My second preference would be Ruth Davidson. She's come across very well in the debates I've seen her in, and if her leadership of the Scottish Conservative party sees them outperforming Labour in the Holyrood elections then she might be convinced to go in for the leadership of the entire party. Of course the biggest problem she'd have at the moment is that she's not currently an MP so would need to stand for Westminster to have even a small chance of making it on the ballot, and given her unwillingness to stand in England/Wales she'd need to wait for David Mundell to step aside to have even a slight chance of being an MP.

Posted by: Qassändra 26th March 2016, 12:58 PM

Ruth Davidson would be an immediate KO for Labour, regardless of whether we got our act together or not. She'd complete the modernisation project in one fell swoop.

Posted by: Suedehead2 26th March 2016, 01:21 PM

There have been a few strongly anti-Johnson pieces published in the last few days, including others based on his appearance before the Treasury select committee. Somehow, I suspect other papers will either have reported it rather differently, or ignored it altogether.

One piece I read yesterday contained a link to this piece published eight years ago.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/may/01/boris.livingstone

Posted by: f1mad 26th March 2016, 06:55 PM

Ruth has already categorically ruled out running for leader.

She's easily the second best leader this side of the border, aside from Saint Nic of course teresa.gif

Posted by: Brett-Butler 26th March 2016, 08:06 PM

QUOTE(f1mad @ Mar 26 2016, 07:55 PM) *
Ruth has already categorically ruled out running for leader.

She's easily the second best leader this side of the border, aside from Saint Nic of course teresa.gif


I have a feeling that she's playing the long game by ruling herself out. After all, if human nature has taught us anything, it's that the one way to make someone want something even more is to tell us that we can't have it.

In unrelated news, I'm banning everyone from talking about Suede in the News & Politics forum.

Posted by: popchartfreak 26th March 2016, 09:49 PM

I've always liked Matthew Paris.

Boris is fine for guest spots on Have I Got News For You but he's basically a lying, bigoted, rich, posh idiot with no regard for other human beings. Same as Trump, only charming and posh. Rees-Mogg is likeable in a posh public-school dry-sense-of-humor way, but I don't believe he would do anything to make this a better society for most people, more likely a better place for some people. The rich ones. He can of course offer examples where this is an unfair statement... tongue.gif

I couldn't name a single Tory I would want as leader. Used to be some with a social conscience and common sense, if there are any about these days they are certainly good at keeping a low profile. Any lower and they'd be six-feet-under.

Posted by: Soy Adrián 27th March 2016, 08:54 AM

QUOTE(f1mad @ Mar 26 2016, 07:55 PM) *
Ruth has already categorically ruled out running for leader.

She's easily the second best leader this side of the border, aside from Saint Nic of course teresa.gif

Give me strength.

Osborne has never been particularly liked by the Tory membership. I'm starting to think that they only went for Cameron because they were so sick of being out of power for eight years and will inevitably baulk at anyone else with the same public school persona and modernising shtick now. It probably only took one false step for Osborne to lose any hope of becoming leader and the Budget was almost certainly it.

Saying that, there is a trend for the Tories to go for someone unexpected so I'm still holding out hope it won't be Boris.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 27th March 2016, 09:40 AM

Despite his mess with 'Gove (O) levels', I expect it to be Michael Gove. Though I would love it to be Liz Truss for comedy value.

Posted by: Soy Adrián 27th March 2016, 12:19 PM

I don't know how well liked Gove is by his fellow MPs. One of Osborne's problems is that most of his fanclub (including the comically high number of SpAds he's surrounded himself with) won't get a vote until the final round.

Posted by: Steve201 31st March 2016, 07:52 AM

Should we add a poll here.

I think Nicky Morgan has a chance as an outsider or maybe thats just in her own head?!

Posted by: Qassändra 31st March 2016, 08:50 AM

In her own head. She has the gravitas of a toad.

Posted by: Steve201 31st March 2016, 09:17 AM

laugh.gif Shes clearly had the aul Thatcher vocal training too!!

Posted by: burbe 31st March 2016, 01:40 PM

Dare I suggest Priti Patel as an outside candidate?

Posted by: Doctor Blind 31st March 2016, 01:45 PM

MP for Witham in ESSEX. I really don't think so - comes across as incredibly condescending in interviews.

Also she wants to reinstate the death penalty so I think she may be a little too right-wing for the all new compassionate Conservatives.

Posted by: Qassändra 31st March 2016, 01:53 PM

I think she's got an outside chance. There might be enough hang em and flog em MPs to get her to the final two.

Posted by: Steve201 31st March 2016, 03:01 PM

She has got an outside chance, especially if we vote to leave the EU and the tory right gets a hold of things!

Posted by: Harve 31st March 2016, 04:58 PM

Liz Truss pls.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 31st March 2016, 05:03 PM

QUOTE(Steve201 @ Mar 31 2016, 04:01 PM) *
She has got an outside chance, especially if we vote to leave the EU and the tory right gets a hold of things!


Doomsday scenario, let's not go there or think about that! sad.gif

Posted by: Steve201 31st March 2016, 09:14 PM

Let them go to the right!

Posted by: Qassändra 31st March 2016, 09:17 PM

QUOTE(Harve @ Mar 31 2016, 05:58 PM) *
Liz Truss pls.

I used to quite like her by Tory standards, but every public appearance has made her come off a right ditz.

Posted by: Qassändra 31st March 2016, 09:18 PM

QUOTE(Steve201 @ Mar 31 2016, 10:14 PM) *
Let them go to the right!

That story really won't end the way you want it to.

Posted by: Virginia's Walls 31st March 2016, 09:23 PM

Let them go to the right even more than they already have!

While their Tory media Baron Elites will still keep the vote competitive, through permeating the BBC through to Tabloids, the Corbyn Grass Roots + more dissatisfaction will hand the election to Socialism! They are ignoring the new grass roots movement at their peril, mark my words.

Posted by: Steve201 31st March 2016, 09:26 PM

As Qass says though it may well not turn out like we want because a move to the right may be viable with Corbyn as leader because he can't break through, as you say though the media bias doesn't help with this but also he could help himself on occasion!
So you'd have a rampant right wing Tory government with people reluctantly accepting it!

Posted by: Qassändra 31st March 2016, 09:32 PM

The least popular leader ever documented in polling is not going to win a general election, particularly when he is mostly unpopular as a result of verbatim statements or actions on his part. When given the choice between someone who believes in the death penalty and someone who believes Britain shouldn't have nukes but that Iran should, the UK (and essentially every developed nation) will opt for the former, media bias or not.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 31st March 2016, 09:33 PM

Basically a rerun of the mid-late 1980s. That'll be fun...

Posted by: Steve201 31st March 2016, 09:42 PM

I'm pretty sure he thinks no country should have nukes and I agree!

Posted by: Virginia's Walls 31st March 2016, 09:47 PM

I and every sane person would agree with him!

I don't want to have the ability to heat skeletons to the temperature of the sun, and have the instant retaliation against people here too, due to some argument of the Elite, who will remain unharmed by the situation in their bunkers.

Posted by: Brett-Butler 31st March 2016, 09:54 PM

QUOTE(Steve201 @ Mar 31 2016, 10:42 PM) *
I'm pretty sure he thinks no country should have nukes and I agree!


Unfortunately, the chances of getting every single other country to agree to that is more or less implausible, as much as the multilateralist in me would like to see that.

Posted by: Qassändra 31st March 2016, 09:59 PM

QUOTE(Virginia @ Mar 31 2016, 10:47 PM) *
I don't want to have the ability to heat skeletons to the temperature of the sun, and have the instant retaliation against people here too, due to some argument of the Elite, who will remain unharmed by the situation in their bunkers.

This mischaracterisation (which has been very common on the left for the last few months) fucks me off so much. Nobody in favour of nukes ever wishes to see them used, just as nobody with a guard dog ever wishes to need it. It is a deterrent which wards off aggression that is both unlikely but very dangerous if it is ever to occur. And that we are unlikely to ever need to use it is no more an argument against it than it is an argument against buying house insurance.

Posted by: Qassändra 31st March 2016, 10:00 PM

QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Mar 31 2016, 10:54 PM) *
Unfortunately, the chances of getting every single other country to agree to that is more or less implausible, as much as the multilateralist in me would like to see that.

Exactly.

Posted by: Virginia's Walls 31st March 2016, 10:01 PM

Then why not take the money from the immoral Trident, put it into infrastructure, and hold a Telethon every year instead of Children in Need for those who want a nuclear deterrent?

And what aggression has it staved off, pray tell?

And start with the man in the mirror. We can get rid of this immoral weapon first.

Posted by: Qassändra 31st March 2016, 10:02 PM

QUOTE(Steve201 @ Mar 31 2016, 10:42 PM) *
I'm pretty sure he thinks no country should have nukes and I agree!

I am sure he believes there ought to be no nukes in the world. For some strange reason that point is not his first priority when it comes to nations such as Iran having them.

Posted by: Suedehead2 31st March 2016, 10:02 PM

QUOTE(Qassändra @ Mar 31 2016, 10:17 PM) *
I used to quite like her by Tory standards, but every public appearance has made her come off a right ditz.

Oh, go on then tongue.gif




Posted by: All-Seeing-Iz~ 31st March 2016, 10:06 PM

QUOTE(Virginia @ Mar 31 2016, 11:01 PM) *
And start with the man in the mirror. We can get rid of this immoral weapon first.


Is that not the most dangerous way of doing it. I'm no fan of Trident and would rather there were no nukes in the world but making sure no nations that might in a moment of madness actually use a nuke have one first is surely the right way round. Basic realism.

Posted by: Qassändra 31st March 2016, 10:09 PM

QUOTE(Virginia @ Mar 31 2016, 11:01 PM) *
Then why not take the money from the immoral Trident, put it into infrastructure, and hold a Telethon every year instead of Children in Need for those who want a nuclear deterrent?

That's what taxation is for, idiot. If you can't see how dangerous the principle of 'let people who believe in certain areas of government spending be the ones to pay for it' is, I despair.

QUOTE(Virginia @ Mar 31 2016, 11:01 PM) *
And what aggression has it staved off, pray tell?

Uh, pretty commonly acknowledged as a key limitation of Soviet aggression in Europe throughout the Cold War, which says a lot given proving a negative is infamously quite difficult. To say nothing of the separate influence it's given us through getting a seat at the top table.

Posted by: Brett-Butler 31st March 2016, 10:14 PM

QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Mar 31 2016, 11:02 PM) *
Oh, go on then tongue.gif





Tory Head of PR - So Liz, you're about to give a speech that could easily be used against you as tools of mockery for years to come if you don't enunciate it in the correct manner. Are you sure you don't want to meet with a vocal coach to help you not make a complete twit of yourself?

Liz - Ah no, I'll be fine. After all, people will be too busy being amazed by the wonderful news about cheese to even think about how I'll pronounce it

PR - but even the great Margaret Thatcher got a vocal...

Liz - I SAID I'll BE FINE.



If she does decide to run for PM in the future, be sure to compare her speech patterns between now and then. It'll be interesting to see if there's any major changes.

Posted by: Virginia's Walls 31st March 2016, 10:16 PM

Perhaps that seat along with nukes should be given up ANYWAY, before we are forced to give it up with eventual Scottish independence, and give it to the EU.

Well, why not a referendum then on nuclear deterrence?

Posted by: Qassändra 31st March 2016, 10:33 PM

I wouldn't mind a referendum on nuclear deterrence at all. It might finally get it through to the anti-nuclear left that it's here to stay, particularly given Scotland would be in favour of keeping it and all.

Posted by: Steve201 31st March 2016, 10:41 PM

QUOTE(Qassändra @ Mar 31 2016, 11:02 PM) *
I am sure he believes there ought to be no nukes in the world. For some strange reason that point is not his first priority when it comes to nations such as Iran having them.


I'm sure he opposes nukes for Iran too but is simply highlighting the hypocrisy of western nations having them whereas people not listed as western or on our side not being allowed nukes.

Posted by: Soy Adrián 31st March 2016, 10:43 PM

I'd always call myself a multilateralist, but I do quite like the Japanese approach of keeping the infrastructure required to build nukes and using it for energy production instead, meaning that you'd shut up the CND but retain the ability to build the things within a year if you had to. Especially given that unlike Japan we're nowhere near the sort of natural disaster danger zones which could see it all blow up in our faces. Unfortunately, I have zero confidence in this government's ability to plan for any sort of major infrastructure which doesn't involve boring holes underneath London for trains.

Posted by: Qassändra 31st March 2016, 10:46 PM

MORE NUCLEAR POWER NOW

Posted by: Soy Adrián 31st March 2016, 10:48 PM

QUOTE(Qassändra @ Mar 31 2016, 11:46 PM) *
MORE NUCLEAR POWER NOW

And big tidal barrages across every major estuary. I don't give a fuck about the fish.

Posted by: Virginia's Walls 31st March 2016, 10:52 PM

QUOTE(Soy Adrián @ Mar 31 2016, 11:43 PM) *
I'd always call myself a multilateralist, but I do quite like the Japanese approach of keeping the infrastructure required to build nukes and using it for energy production instead, meaning that you'd shut up the CND but retain the ability to build the things within a year if you had to. Especially given that unlike Japan we're nowhere near the sort of natural disaster danger zones which could see it all blow up in our faces. Unfortunately, I have zero confidence in this government's ability to plan for any sort of major infrastructure which doesn't involve boring holes underneath London for trains.


That would be a nice compromise.

Posted by: Harve 1st April 2016, 04:29 AM

QUOTE(Qassändra @ Mar 31 2016, 10:17 PM) *
I used to quite like her by Tory standards, but every public appearance has made her come off a right ditz.

PRECISELY.

Those videos are legendary.

Posted by: FezVez 1st April 2016, 06:10 PM

I always thought Sajid Javid would be a shoo-in but I don't suppose the current Tata drama would help any aspiration at the moment.

Posted by: popchartfreak 1st April 2016, 06:56 PM

interesting diversion into nuclear weapons here (and power). I'm as I've always been - a realistic pacifist. In an ideal world all sorts of righteous stuff would come to pass. In the world we actually live in, the forces of right and equality and fairness need to be able to make it mutually deadly against aggressors who will not in any way from now until the end of time voluntarily give up on weapons of mass destruction.

To think otherwise is naive. Hitler. Stalin. Never happen again? Don't make me laugh! There are dozens of wannabees lining up all the time to impose their will on others. Does anyone seriously think that there aren't right now ruthless and insane individuals in the world who wouldn't drop a nuke given half a chance?

So what we are basically saying is, yes please we want to be protected by the forces of the West - we just don't want to pay for it. So, then you come back to the question, well if a bunch of terrorists managed somehow to grab the controls of nuclear weapons (or a deranged leader from existing owners) we then expect the Americans to rush to the aid of everyone suddenly getting blackmailed. Imagine, ooh a leader with a warped view of reality getting to be President of the USA, who has no interest in foreigners, say, and who wouldn't want to risk retaliation in case it blows up his income source (not to mention kill his voters) back home. Or hypothetically a leader of a major country kept in power by changing the law, brutality and gross corruption who has the power to invade neighbouring countries cos he is very powerful and no-one can do a damn thing to stop him. Obviously that's a completely ludicrous scenario that could never happen.....

PS Nuclear power is being handed over in the UK to a "former" communist dictatorship with dodgy civil rights and an economy about to go belly-up, who also have nuclear weapons. I'd say the powers of logic currently engaged by leaders on both sides in the UK leave me speechless with disbelief. Metaphorically speechless, only, of course tongue.gif

Yours truly, Wordy Rappinghood, Angry of Tunbridge Wells.

Posted by: Brett-Butler 24th June 2016, 02:49 PM

The starting pistol has been fired for the contest for the new Conservative leader, and by extension, the new Prime Minister.

The current odds-on favourite at the moment, unsurprisingly, is Boris Johnson, who's 4/5 favourite on William Hill (other bookmakers are available).

The next 3 favourites are:
3/1 - Theresa May
5/1 - Michael Gove
10/1 - Andrea Leadsom

And Jacob Rees-Mogg is currently 33/1.

Posted by: Qween 24th June 2016, 02:55 PM

The only option I would be happy with is Theresa May. I'm just not sure if staying out of the fray over the course of hype referendum debate will have hurt her or not. Yes she isn't tarred with the failure of remain, but up against Boris she's a boring choice.

Posted by: Common Sense 24th June 2016, 02:58 PM

Nicky Morgan said to be planning to stand, according to Sky sources. Does she stand any chance?

Posted by: Common Sense 24th June 2016, 02:59 PM

QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Jun 24 2016, 03:49 PM) *
The starting pistol has been fired for the contest for the new Conservative leader, and by extension, the new Prime Minister.

The current odds-on favourite at the moment, unsurprisingly, is Boris Johnson, who's 4/5 favourite on William Hill (other bookmakers are available).

The next 3 favourites are:
3/1 - Theresa May
5/1 - Michael Gove
10/1 - Andrea Leadsom

And Jacob Rees-Mogg is currently 33/1.



Osborne 20/1

Posted by: sm1ffj 24th June 2016, 04:08 PM

QUOTE(Common Sense @ Jun 24 2016, 03:58 PM) *
Nicky Morgan said to be planning to stand, according to Sky sources. Does she stand any chance?


She cannot answer a Maths question right, how the **** is she going to run a country.


Posted by: Silas 24th June 2016, 04:19 PM

QUOTE(sm1ffj @ Jun 24 2016, 05:08 PM) *
She cannot answer a Maths question right, how the **** is she going to run a country.

Hardly stopped Osbourne being in charge of the treasury

Posted by: Suedehead2 24th June 2016, 04:35 PM

QUOTE(Common Sense @ Jun 24 2016, 03:58 PM) *
Nicky Morgan said to be planning to stand, according to Sky sources. Does she stand any chance?

You mean the "Sky sources" otherwise known as her previous statements?

Posted by: Doctor Blind 24th June 2016, 04:40 PM

Amber Rudd please.

Posted by: sm1ffj 24th June 2016, 04:54 PM

QUOTE(Silas @ Jun 24 2016, 05:19 PM) *
Hardly stopped Osbourne being in charge of the treasury



Hence the big balls up he has done.


Posted by: Virginia's Walls 24th June 2016, 05:20 PM

It'll be Bozo the Clown aka Mr Blobby.

Posted by: burbe 25th June 2016, 03:22 PM

I'm starting to think Theresa May has got this in the bag. She was very smart to stay out of the debate, therefore could be an ally to both sides of the party and a good uniting force. Coupled with her governmental experience, it's hard to see the Tories voting for someone else as their ABB candidate.

Posted by: burbe 25th June 2016, 03:22 PM

I'm starting to think Theresa May has got this in the bag. She was very smart to stay out of the debate, therefore could be an ally to both sides of the party and a good uniting force. Coupled with her governmental experience, it's hard to see the Tories voting for someone else as their ABB candidate.

Posted by: Common Sense 25th June 2016, 03:56 PM

QUOTE(burbe @ Jun 25 2016, 04:22 PM) *
I'm starting to think Theresa May has got this in the bag.


Yes, me too but I reckon the Tories would stand a better chance in 2020 with Boris as I can see Corbyn being overthrown by then and replaced by maybe Dan Jarvis.

Posted by: Suedehead2 25th June 2016, 04:06 PM

QUOTE(Common Sense @ Jun 25 2016, 04:56 PM) *
Yes, me too but I reckon the Tories would stand a better chance in 2020 with Boris as I can see Corbyn being overthrown by then and replaced by maybe Dan Jarvis.

If Johnson gets the job and doesn't go for an early election, he will be despised by 2020. Theresa May probably wouldn't be much liked, but wouldn't attract anything like as much outright loathing.

Posted by: ScottyEm 25th June 2016, 06:06 PM

Theresa I think will be in for a short term before an upfront general election. Boris is odious.

Posted by: popchartfreak 25th June 2016, 06:52 PM

The next PM should be Johnson. He should be forced to spend the next 2 years proving how big a liar he is trying to negotiate trade deals, having to deal with Scottish independence, and a calamitous economy.

He caused it, he can deal with it. The Tories can then take the consequences in 2020.

No other Tories deserve to lead the country cos they were all useless in the Remain campaign, not least the conveniently absent hedge-betting Theresa May. She can piss off.

Posted by: Rooney 25th June 2016, 09:06 PM

QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jun 25 2016, 05:06 PM) *
If Johnson gets the job and doesn't go for an early election, he will be despised by 2020. Theresa May probably wouldn't be much liked, but wouldn't attract anything like as much outright loathing.


Agreed. He's put himself in a very difficult position now, resented by pro-EUers and probably going to piss a lot of the Brexiters off by holding off pushing the button. Certainly going to attract a lot of hate from a lot of people.

Posted by: Brett-Butler 27th June 2016, 07:56 PM

I'm annoyed that Jacob Rees-Mogg hasn't put himself forward for the leadership yet. I've got my heart set on five glorious weeks of a Moggster leadership, before the snap general election and the ascendency of Prime Minster Farron as part of the Lib Dem/UKIP Coalition government.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 27th June 2016, 07:59 PM

Oh big fat yes at Jacob Rees-Mogg. Just imagining him at a summit with Putin.

GLORIOUS.

Posted by: Silas 27th June 2016, 08:05 PM

If we ended up with Rees-Mogg as our next electedbyeveryonebutscotland PM then I think we'd just unilaterally declare independence in disgust.

Not that May or Johnston are much better.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 27th June 2016, 08:07 PM

It would be the Conservatives capitulating in a blaze of glory and becoming unelectable for the next 3 decades. *.*

Totally worth it.

Posted by: Suedehead2 27th June 2016, 08:44 PM

QUOTE(Silas @ Jun 27 2016, 09:05 PM) *
If we ended up with Rees-Mogg as our next electedbyeveryonebutscotland PM then I think we'd just unilaterally declare independence in disgust.

Even after his "man of the people" campaign in Central Fife in 1997?

Posted by: Silas 27th June 2016, 08:50 PM

QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jun 27 2016, 09:44 PM) *
Even after his "man of the people" campaign in Central Fife in 1997?

Especially after that.

Posted by: Steve201 27th June 2016, 10:29 PM

QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Mar 31 2016, 06:03 PM) *
Doomsday scenario, let's not go there or think about that! sad.gif


Cough Cough pirate.gif

Posted by: Kath 27th June 2016, 10:59 PM

QUOTE(popchartfreak @ Jun 25 2016, 07:52 PM) *
The next PM should be Johnson. He should be forced to spend the next 2 years proving how big a liar he is trying to negotiate trade deals, having to deal with Scottish independence, and a calamitous economy.

He caused it, he can deal with it. The Tories can then take the consequences in 2020.

No other Tories deserve to lead the country cos they were all useless in the Remain campaign, not least the conveniently absent hedge-betting Theresa May. She can piss off.


I agree totally with this. The exit is largely of his making so he should take the reigns and steer us in the right direction. Unicorns at the ready.

Posted by: Taylor Jago 28th June 2016, 04:16 AM

QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Jun 27 2016, 08:07 PM) *
It would be the Conservatives capitulating in a blaze of glory and becoming unelectable for the next 3 decades. *.*

Totally worth it.

And by the time those three decades were up the country would no longer exist under its present form, so Labour or the Liberal Democrats could work out a new, better election system for a sole England. And get us back in the EU, possibly.

Posted by: Suedehead2 28th June 2016, 07:18 AM

Gideon has said he won't be standing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36647948

Posted by: Common Sense 28th June 2016, 04:30 PM

Anyone think the Crabbe/Javid ticket has any chance? Remember the favourite(s) don't always get the job!

Posted by: Doctor Blind 28th June 2016, 04:54 PM

They both ran for REMAIN. I'd say their chances are pretty slim...

Posted by: Brett-Butler 28th June 2016, 05:35 PM

There was talk of Stephen Crabb being lined up to succeed David Cameron a few months back, although that was under the assumption that he'd stay until 2019 rather than 2016, so it seems quite sudden. From what I can tell, here's the pros and cons in his favour -

Pros:
- Has just enough cabinet experience to have been involved in government, but not enough to the point where his role became toxic (see his predecessor, IDS)
- Has a good story - a working class lad to a single mother who worked his way up through hard graft, it makes a pointed juxtaposition to the Bullingdon elite he would presumably be up against.

Cons:
- The beard. Oh God, that horrible, horrible beard. If he wants to be taken seriously, he should get rid of that facial fuzz the moment the voting window opens.
- His surname - I can just imagine all the horrible puns that the papers will use in relation to his name. Off the top of my head, there'll be headlines about "Feeling the pinch", "Crabb's cakes", and many more, and there's only so many puns I can handle in a parliamentary window.

Posted by: Rooney 28th June 2016, 05:42 PM

QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Jun 28 2016, 05:54 PM) *
They both ran for REMAIN. I'd say their chances are pretty slim...


Most of the Tories were in favour of the EU. Majority of the party is still centre-right, they want a liberal candidate. This person would have been Boris, but he's pissed off a lot of MPs now.

Posted by: Silas 28th June 2016, 05:49 PM

He voted against equal marriage and has links to one of those gay 'cure' fundamentalist Christian delusional wackjob organisations.

The man isn't qualified to boil a kettle

Posted by: Doctor Blind 28th June 2016, 07:12 PM

QUOTE(Rooney @ Jun 28 2016, 06:42 PM) *
Most of the Tories were in favour of the EU. Majority of the party is still centre-right, they want a liberal candidate. This person would have been Boris, but he's pissed off a lot of MPs now.


It doesn't really make much sense for a team comprising those who campaigned in favour of remain to lead the country out of the EU - I suspect that would divide the Conservatives more than the country considering the amount of rabbid swivel-eyed LOONS in the backbenches. Someone like Teresa May who favoured remain but largely stayed out of the gutter approaching debate would be better at unifying the party.

Posted by: popchartfreak 28th June 2016, 07:44 PM

I look forward to May vs Crabbe if only for the headlines

Tory Supporters: May tries to catch Crabbe's

Posted by: Doctor Blind 28th June 2016, 07:51 PM

QUOTE(popchartfreak @ Jun 28 2016, 08:44 PM) *
I look forward to May vs Crabbe if only for the headlines

Tory Supporters: May tries to catch Crabbe's


basil.gif

May Caught By Crabb's Pincer Movement

Posted by: Rooney 28th June 2016, 07:52 PM

QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Jun 28 2016, 08:12 PM) *
It doesn't really make much sense for a team comprising those who campaigned in favour of remain to lead the country out of the EU - I suspect that would divide the Conservatives more than the country considering the amount of rabbid swivel-eyed LOONS in the backbenches. Someone like Teresa May who favoured remain but largely stayed out of the gutter approaching debate would be better at unifying the party.


It makes perfect sense to me. Leave only won by a whisker, and we need someone pro-EU. That person would have probably 100% been Boris, but he's made his bed and the liberal Tories (most of the party still) will do everything to not let him get what he wants. I think the party will settle on Teresa May as a short term solution would unify the party for sure.

Posted by: Suedehead2 28th June 2016, 08:10 PM

If Theresa May wins and Chris Bryant becomes Labour leader, the next election will be a Bryant & May match (joke shamelessly nicked from a letter in the Guardian).

Posted by: popchartfreak 29th June 2016, 07:25 PM

QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jun 28 2016, 09:10 PM) *
If Theresa May wins and Chris Bryant becomes Labour leader, the next election will be a Bryant & May match (joke shamelessly nicked from a letter in the Guardian).


We can all look forward to lots of striking.

Oops.... teresa.gif

Posted by: Doctor Blind 29th June 2016, 09:42 PM

The Times seems to be backing May..

Of course both Theresa and Boris both unequivocally state there will be no general election - but they would say that at THIS point in time. I think a mandate will be sought later this year, perhaps in autumn.

Posted by: Qassändra 29th June 2016, 10:35 PM

Poll of Tory members by YouGov finds Theresa May wins a run-off against Boris 55% to 38% ohmy.gif

Posted by: Suedehead2 29th June 2016, 10:41 PM

QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Jun 29 2016, 10:42 PM) *
The Times seems to be backing May..

Of course both Theresa and Boris both unequivocally state there will be no general election - but they would say that at THIS point in time. I think a mandate will be sought later this year, perhaps in autumn.

Although there is nothing specific to stop them, they would surely risk a backlash if they called an election while there was still a Labour leadership contest going on. Assuming there is a contest, it is unlikely to be over before late September which makes late October the earliest date for a general election. I still think next spring is more likely.

Posted by: FezVez 29th June 2016, 10:45 PM

I agree, the more all this drama develops I can't see a GE this side of Christmas.

Posted by: Rooney 29th June 2016, 10:46 PM

QUOTE(Qassändra @ Jun 29 2016, 11:35 PM) *
Poll of Tory members by YouGov finds Theresa May wins a run-off against Boris 55% to 38% ohmy.gif


Boris has screwed over the country and the Tory party to fuel his own personal ambitions. Doesn't surprise me that he's peeved off a lot of members.

I've only been following politics for 5 odd years, but I can't ever recall a potential prime minister being so hated by millions of people before they could potentially be elected.

Posted by: Common Sense 30th June 2016, 08:09 AM

Gove to stand too, can't bring himself to support Boris. This is getting interesting now.

Posted by: princess_lotti 30th June 2016, 08:15 AM

Surprised Gove is running, was nearly certain he would've ran with Boris ohmy.gif

Posted by: Suedehead2 30th June 2016, 08:43 AM

The other candidates will be eagerly awaiting more leaked emails from Mrs Gove.

Posted by: princess_lotti 30th June 2016, 08:48 AM

Theresa May has launched her bid cheer.gif cheer.gif

Posted by: Joe. 30th June 2016, 08:52 AM

Is Theresa May the one who voted in favour of marriage equality?

Posted by: Steve201 30th June 2016, 09:49 AM

So Gove must have got a response from his wife/Dacre/Murdoch then that Boris is a dead man walking politically!

Posted by: Suedehead2 30th June 2016, 10:58 AM

Johnson isn't standing ohmy.gif

Posted by: Steve201 30th June 2016, 11:04 AM

ohmy.gif

Posted by: Common Sense 30th June 2016, 11:14 AM

What a shock. Maybe he'll be Chancellor under new PM Gove.

Posted by: Suedehead2 30th June 2016, 11:29 AM

QUOTE(Common Sense @ Jun 30 2016, 12:14 PM) *
What a shock. Maybe he'll be Chancellor under new PM Gove.

After what Gove has said, I wouldn't be so sure. I suppose it would all depend on what Mrs Gove thinks.

Posted by: Qassändra 30th June 2016, 11:29 AM

OMGove

Posted by: Soy Adrián 30th June 2016, 12:21 PM

It's like a really shit House of Cards.

Posted by: richie 30th June 2016, 12:41 PM

What a c**t - he doesn't even have the decency to step in and clean up the mess he made.

Posted by: Rooney 30th June 2016, 05:21 PM

QUOTE(Common Sense @ Jun 30 2016, 12:14 PM) *
What a shock. Maybe he'll be Chancellor under new PM Gove.


No shock at all. Majority of his party hates him. He's screwed the country over for his political ambitions. That's karma for you.

Posted by: princess_lotti 30th June 2016, 05:24 PM

So we have our candidates now. Surely May is the only viable candidate out of those 5?

Posted by: Silas 30th June 2016, 05:25 PM

A colleague at work sent me this:



Still crying

Posted by: Chez Wombat 30th June 2016, 05:29 PM

^:')

Well, that's the first good thing Boris has done in YEARS! At least now there's hope of a good outcome if May is the selection, just as long as Gove's campaign doesn't go anywhere. The possibility of him being a prime minister when I'm entering the education sector makes me very queasy.

Posted by: princess_lotti 30th June 2016, 05:30 PM

omg! laugh.gif

Posted by: Iz~ 30th June 2016, 05:32 PM

I can't believe Theresa May is the least-worst option. Go her I guess. I can't begin to imagine Michael Gove as PM, I mean, I might have even preferred Johnson even after all he's done.

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