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Posted by: vidcapper 23rd July 2019, 01:52 PM

I can guess how most of you feel about his win , but how long do you think he can keep the job?

Posted by: Trump2020 23rd July 2019, 03:20 PM

Well beyond the next GE which he'll win with a thumping 100 seat+ majority.

Posted by: mald487 23rd July 2019, 03:28 PM

Posted by: Trump2020 23rd July 2019, 03:29 PM

So do you honestly believe Corbyn can beat him? Boris is a very popular guy and will get out and lead a great campaign.

Posted by: mald487 23rd July 2019, 03:32 PM

I didn't say anything did I?

I was just laughing at you. Your weird adoration/trolling...whatever it is that you do on here.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 23rd July 2019, 03:44 PM

I genuinely don't get it either, he's exactly the sort of person in society that Boris hates and wouldn't hesitate to make his life worse for him either. It's like a perfect example of somebody willingly shooting themselves in the foot, and I think he's beyond hope too sadly.

Posted by: Suedehead2 23rd July 2019, 03:49 PM

Even a large proportion of Tory voters think he will be a bad PM. He isn't anything like as popular as he was before it became clear what a big fat liar he is.

Posted by: Botchia 23rd July 2019, 07:27 PM

Somewhere between 3-6 months

Posted by: Suedehead2 23rd July 2019, 07:53 PM

Assuming the queen doesn't say "You're 'aving a larf" and refuse to appoint him, the answer to the question is too long.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 23rd July 2019, 08:01 PM

Boris is a very divisive character - but I know many people who voted for him in 2008 and 2012 as London Mayor who now cannot stand him because of his apparent support for Brexit. I've always distrusted him, but it'll be interesting to see what he actually DOES rather than says, because he is a lot more internationalist and 'Global Britain' than many of his supporters (Chris included) and the most important issue for Boris is always Boris... so I don't think (sadly) it'll be a short premiership and he will get to 2022, doing so with a slightly tweaked WA that persuades those final recalcitrant ERG MPs to support it, rather than risk a no confidence vote and a collapse of Government now that he has his dream job.

Posted by: mald487 24th July 2019, 12:16 AM

Which is exactly why I think he's trolling, because no one could seriously be that stupid and gulliable.

Posted by: Envoirment 24th July 2019, 01:34 AM

Considering how long May has lasted, I feel he'll do a year or two. All depending on what happens with Brexit really. If he tries to push a no-deal later this year and that leads to a general election then goodbye Boris and the conservative party.

Posted by: vidcapper 24th July 2019, 05:06 AM

You wish...

Posted by: vidcapper 24th July 2019, 05:07 AM

Surely that's a quality that other politicians would admire...

Posted by: Iz~ 24th July 2019, 05:47 AM

It's 3-6 months or up to the next GE depending on whether a VoNC is successfully called and I couldn't tell you which. The other option, that he resigns in the event of catastrophic failure, is something I cannot see him doing.

Posted by: vidcapper 24th July 2019, 05:54 AM

You mean, he won't do something 'catastrophic', or he will but refuse to resign over it?

Posted by: Iz~ 24th July 2019, 06:42 AM

the latter, everything about his character suggests that he will hold onto power as long as he is able. I don't see him doing what May did except under extreme duress.

Posted by: Houdini 24th July 2019, 12:45 PM

I went with 7-12 months but was tempted to go for the next option.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 24th July 2019, 01:02 PM

I didn't like the options.

I feel torn between "until he crowns himself King Of The World" and "However long it is it will seem like an eternity"....

Posted by: vidcapper 25th July 2019, 04:46 AM

Unfortunately options like those aren't quantifiable...

Posted by: Doctor Blind 9th December 2021, 11:38 PM

Time to bring back this thread !

Btw, great video explainer here.

Posted by: ChristmasFridays 9th December 2021, 11:50 PM

Until Covid ends. Who else wants to deal with it?

Posted by: Iceman501 10th December 2021, 12:31 AM

Too long for our poster's liking.

Posted by: Iz 💀 10th December 2021, 04:39 AM

Of course, lest we forget, when this thread was made, the Tories were at their lowest ebb of popularity (some of the polls just a month before this thread was made had them below 20%! It was a four-way race for the top of British politics, I miss that) and the 2019 election wasn't yet on the table.

I still can't see him going over this yet, see the below, I still think this, but I could be proven wrong.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 17th December 2021, 08:56 AM

INJECT IT TO MY VEINS.

Posted by: Quarantilas 17th December 2021, 08:59 AM

My only slight hesitation is that what is waiting in the wings is somehow worse (Truss, Patel, Barker)

Posted by: cider man 17th December 2021, 05:22 PM

Patel has no chance. Remember they want someone electable and it's doubtful that she is. The public will see her as a bully now.

It'll be Sunak v Truss and if Rishi wins then he'll make Truss the first female Chancellor. IMO.

Posted by: ChristmasFridays 17th December 2021, 05:48 PM

People need to remember he still has an 80 seat majority.

It's only if the rebellions continue to be on the recent scale that he's got problems.

Posted by: Suedehead2 17th December 2021, 05:52 PM

Thatcher was dumped when she had a 100-seat majority.

Posted by: Chez Reindeer 17th December 2021, 06:03 PM

The longer he stays until the election, the less popular they'll become at this stage (which is why I almost want him to stay just so he can keep getting worse). I can see maybe three-six more months left until he's forced out, he'll never resign.

Posted by: Smint 17th December 2021, 06:29 PM

The thing with Johnson is that unlike Thatcher there are no real followers of his ideaology as he doesn't have any as a power hunger narcissist. Therefore he will be easier to get rid off as once the vultures in the Tory party are aware that he has lost his popularity with some members of the electorate (let's not be unfair to the half of the population knowing he's always been a shitebag) then he has outlived his natural use. So he either has to turn things around (which he doesn't have the ability to do or the support) or will go. Reckon 3-6 months.

Posted by: ChRiMbO LeG PiPe 18th December 2021, 07:06 AM

Get him gone, immediate election with Corbyn heading Laboue!!! Let's see if peopl3 make the right choice this time!! I think they will.

Posted by: cider man 18th December 2021, 08:41 AM

Yes, after the much hated poll tax debacle though.

Posted by: Suedehead2 18th December 2021, 09:04 AM

That was just the final straw.

Posted by: blacksquare 23rd December 2021, 05:51 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if we had a leadership challenge within the next year — but surely the Tories wouldn't be foolish enough to choose Liz Truss...

Posted by: Christmasteve201 23rd December 2021, 07:41 PM

She’s hateful, desperate to climb the greasy pole. The fact she was a liberal originally is confusing, or maybe it isn’t?

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 23rd December 2021, 07:52 PM

It's unfathomable how anyone would even deem her capable of running bath.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 23rd December 2021, 07:58 PM

Elizabeth Truss of Oxford University turned on a statement by Paddy Ashdown that everybody in Britain should 'have the chance to be somebody'. But, she said, 'only one family can provide the head of state. We Liberal Democrats believe in opportunity for all. We believe in fairness and commonsense . . . we do not believe people are born to rule'.

In September 1994 at the Lib Dem conference R Liz was against Liz II R being head of state. Wonder if she still holds that view?

Posted by: cider man 23rd December 2021, 09:35 PM

Yes as I said before, I think it's between Sunak and Truss.. Some newspapers think she'd be harder for Starmer to beat than Sunak.

Posted by: Christmasteve201 23rd December 2021, 10:06 PM

Posted by: Suedehead2 23rd December 2021, 10:21 PM

Based on what? It was said of Neil Kinnock that he found it hard to attack Thatcher too vigorously because she was a woman. How true that is remains uncertain. I'm sure he would deny it, but I suspect there is at least some truth in it. Starmer, on the other hand, will have had a lot of experience in opposing women in his legal career. Therefore, I doubt he would treat Truss any differently simply because of her gender. He would certainly have no difficulty in beating her in any sort of intellectual argument.

On a separate note, her leadership might neutralise one of the (false) lines of attack the Tories have been trying to use against Starmer. Every so often, he is attacked (inaccurately) for failing to prosecute Jimmy Savile. Unfortunately for Truss, somebody has unearthed a tweet from her paying tribute to him shortly after he croaked.

Posted by: MajIzstica 💀 23rd December 2021, 10:21 PM

’The new Iron Lady' the Tory press can't help themselves, can they? We already had one of those and she was a disaster.

not to mention the Liz Truss I've known up to now has been anything but.

Posted by: Quarantilas 24th December 2021, 11:06 AM

Maybe they mean Iron Lady in that she has the same IQ as a lump of iron ore?

Posted by: Herbs 24th December 2021, 01:25 PM

I can only see him comfortably winning the next election as he can do anything and his supporters will vote for him

Posted by: cider man 24th December 2021, 04:46 PM

She actually went to Oxford.

Posted by: T Boy 24th December 2021, 09:16 PM

Doesn’t really mean anything. Boris Johnson also attended.

Posted by: cider man 24th December 2021, 09:25 PM

Did you? Very hard to get in to. One of my daughter's' friends read Pure Maths there and had 4 A* A levels and 12 A * GCSE's. They only take the best.

Posted by: cider man 24th December 2021, 09:27 PM

To be fair to Liz, and I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt now, she may not have known of his dastardly deeds when she praised him.

Posted by: ChRiMbO LeG PiPe 24th December 2021, 09:28 PM

She is a landed gèntey piece of shit. Of course she went there. They probabpy just wanted her to get two Es. This is how the establishment STAYS the establishment We're not invited to the party.

Posted by: T Boy 24th December 2021, 09:39 PM

I did not but I also don’t consider myself inferior to anyone who did. My cousin went and suffered bullying and damage to her mental health that lead to a suicide attempt.

Basically Liz Truss is not better than me.

Posted by: Christmasteve201 24th December 2021, 09:43 PM

Going to university doesn’t make you intelligent, I mean I went to lol!

Posted by: ChRiMbO LeG PiPe 24th December 2021, 10:23 PM

That's for us normies, the 20%, that they take, in orser to perpetuate the myth of the establishment being the elite. Whilst we are expected to be the best, so that people think all at Oxford are intellectually superior and impressively erudite, the establishment, like her, just need two Us or two Es for entry In short, thick as teo short planks, but elevated by this classist, fuedal system, so that cap doffers like you fawn all over them.

Posted by: Suedehead2 24th December 2021, 10:45 PM

I was well aware of various rumours about Savile. Truss, OTOH, didn't even have the sense to look through her tweets and delete anything that might cause embarrassment when she entered public life.

Posted by: Suedehead2 24th December 2021, 10:51 PM

Isn't it strange how the people who described Diane Abbot, who grew up in a working class household and went to Cambridge at a time when well under 10% of people went to any university, as thick describe Liz Truss, with a middle class background, as clever because she went to Oxford.

Posted by: ChRiMbO LeG PiPe 24th December 2021, 11:42 PM

Cap doffers.

Posted by: Suedehead2 24th December 2021, 11:57 PM

Unsurprisingly, you missed part of the point. Liz Truss is, indeed, awful, but she has a decidedly middle class background, not an upper class one. She did PPE, a subject often regarded as a bit of a soft one, particularly at Oxbridge, because it is perceived as relying largely on short-term memory rather than analysis. Given her tendency to forget statements she made a few years ago, Truss's medium-term memory doesn't appear to be very good.

Posted by: Christmasteve201 27th December 2021, 07:39 PM

Anyone who wants to be PM does PPE at Oxford or Cambridge!

Posted by: Doctor Blind 12th January 2022, 01:10 AM

The champagne is now on ice. *.*

Posted by: Suedehead2 12th January 2022, 06:50 AM

There's a problem. If Johnson said "I resign", how many people would believe him?

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 12th January 2022, 09:06 AM

I know one person here who would...

Posted by: Quarantilas 12th January 2022, 09:10 AM

Im torn. For the good of the entire country and, well, the planet I want him fired into the sun at the earliest possible moment (or at least prison) but there’s this tiny tiny tiny fraction (0.1%) that kinda wants him to stay because he is such a gift to the independence movement in Scotland, Wales and reunification in Ireland and I really wanted his record to be the one who literally destroyed the UK with his ideological crusades

Posted by: ElectroBoy 12th January 2022, 09:11 AM

I still think he'll carry on - at least until the May elections.

The Tory's will then get a hammering and he'll be ousted then.

Posted by: cider man 12th January 2022, 09:36 AM

Posted by: Doctor Blind 12th January 2022, 10:00 AM

Haha!




I still think it is inevitable that Ireland will unify and that Scotland will secede from the UK this decade, and that Boris Johnson will be labelled in history as the politician most responsible for it happening, whether or not he is the PM at the time that it happens.

Both The Sun and the Daily Mail digging in this morning. LOVE to see it! (Also Dua is the Queen of 'Meet and Greets' if u were wondering)

Posted by: Cdelita 12th January 2022, 10:21 AM

You get what you pay for, and those Tory propaganda paprrs were bashing Corbyn and praising this odious toad, comparing him to a god on one front page!!

Posted by: Quarantilas 12th January 2022, 10:52 AM

Laura K also turning on him a bit on the BBC. He’s defo been labeled a liability now. On yesterdays bbc corona blog they even printed the German health ministers shade at englands total lack of restrictions saying it was not a path they could contemplate and if Germany had followed the UK and had the same death rate, the total number of deaths in Germany would be more than double what they are now. I was shocked to see the BBC allow something so critical to be published but clearly the right wing media has decided he’s a liability



And you’re so right DrB, I think he will be tainted forever with the collapse of the Union. And demographics tell us the Union is doomed.

Posted by: Izzy 💀 12th January 2022, 10:55 AM

I feel like this round of media talk this morning is priming him to go pretty soon, and if it's not immediate, then not beyond May.

Time to switch fire to Sunak or Truss because they're not going to be materially different even if the Tories will do their best to act like they are.

Posted by: AuldSnakeJaw 12th January 2022, 07:17 PM

How long has Spain dragged out the Catalonia issue, the UK could do the same surely?

As for Boris yes I think he will have to say he will resign soon, he doesn't seem to be able to shake off this crisis as he has with other ones.

Posted by: Quarantilas 12th January 2022, 07:23 PM

No because the UK is a voluntary union of two countries at its core and Spain is a federation where it is illegal to leave. Scotland chose to enter and Scotland has the right to chose to leave. The same is not afforded to Catalonia under the Spanish constitution

Posted by: Steve201 12th January 2022, 08:18 PM

For some reason I would love to see the oaf get beat in the general election!

Posted by: Chartfridays 13th January 2022, 03:15 PM

If it was a bit closer I would, but giving him up to 2 more years to ruin the country more isn't so much funny as scary.

Posted by: Cdelita 13th January 2022, 04:04 PM

If Laura Toryberg is out for Blojo, uff!! And yes, those Philip Achofield selfies, aftwr they RAVAGED Corbym, but just asked Blojo sweet little questions, like what tea does he like, were truly VILE.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 17th January 2022, 07:52 PM

Woke Cummings >>> Vote Leave Cummings

Posted by: Envoirment 17th January 2022, 08:05 PM

Interesting to see when the no-confidence vote happens. From what I've been reading there are already a significant amount of MPs who have handed in letters, possibly as many as 35 so far. 54 are needed to trigger the vote. I assume more will be arriving this week given the continued uproar surrounding everything.

The above Cummings blog will hopefully help with the no-confidence vote.

Posted by: Rooney 17th January 2022, 08:42 PM

https://twitter.com/MartinSLewis/status/1483112590104481793

Boris and by extension, The Tories are finished. Don't even think a new Leader can solve what's going to happen for loads of families.

Posted by: Chez Wombat 17th January 2022, 08:56 PM

CassetteBoy always delivers

Posted by: Botchia 18th January 2022, 09:20 PM

From Sky's Joe Pike, the 54 letters threshold may have been reached. Based on what happened with Theresa May, I guess we'll know in the morning.

Posted by: Rooney 18th January 2022, 10:02 PM

The funniest part about this is it seems this is all being predominately been driven by the Red Wall MPs. Brilliant, they've lost their bottle and looks like an impending civil war has happened.

Posted by: Suedehead2 18th January 2022, 10:21 PM

If Johnson does go in the next few weeks, he will have spent less time as PM than Gordon Brown or Theresa May

Posted by: Cdelita 18th January 2022, 10:37 PM

JUSTICE!!

Sunak will be harder to dislodge in the election thsnks to the BBTory going ALL IN on the cult of Sunak, hmm. Poisoned chalice..

Posted by: Quarantilas 18th January 2022, 10:39 PM

Now that would be sweet sweet victory

Posted by: Cdelita 18th January 2022, 10:43 PM

But thrn we have Sunak, after the BBTory have lauded and praised him, builsing up a Tory cult, even fepicting him as SUPERMAN!!!!, in order to do the oligarch establishment's bidding. Blojo was their useful idiot.

Posted by: Botchia 18th January 2022, 10:44 PM

It would actually be hilarious if he couldn't outlast both Brown and May

Looking increasingly likely the 54 threshold has been reached. Surely Johnson won't survive? A vote of confidence in him would be a massive gift to all of the opposition parties.

Posted by: Cdelita 18th January 2022, 10:47 PM

I hope he survives it, wounded, and is forced to call an election. Get it OUT whilst we still even have a PRETENCE of democracy!!!!

Posted by: Quarantilas 18th January 2022, 11:03 PM

I am here for all out civil war in the Tory party. Will he do a 2019 Brexit strop again, kick the 54 out of the Tory party and then try to replace them at an election. He’s defo arrogant enough

Posted by: Cdelita 18th January 2022, 11:07 PM

Ooooh!!! Probably what he will do!!! Majority of 80, thanks to common sense et al, so he can lose 54 in a mad power strop!

Posted by: Smint 18th January 2022, 11:15 PM

Love how the process involving a 1922 committee and letters in locked drawers screams modernity!

I was before the lastest revelations broadly in favour of a weakened Johnson standing but that partying when people weren't allowed to say goodbye to loved ones and then lying his head off is just too much. Even if Truss or Sunak ideaologically push it more to the right there may at least be some more standards and accountability. Johnson is a TERRIBLE example to people in this country morally for a leader.

Posted by: slowdown73 18th January 2022, 11:43 PM

Johnson’s position looks increasingly untenable. His latest rhetoric is that ‘no one warned’ him about the lockdown party involving bring your own booze on 20th May and even if this is true which is highly debatable, he did nothing to stop the party or any of the others that have taken place. He is clearly trying his best to deflect and avoid taking any responsibility. He is a compulsive liar and the British public can see through it. He talks about developing a culture which stamps out this kind of behaviour but he only has his own interests at heart and it’s mere lip service. I suspect he will be gone in the next few months after a leadership contest but the problem lies much deeper in his own party. Its not just Johnson who has been dishonest but so have many others associated with his own party including Cummings, who Johnson failed to challenge when he broke the rules. The question is will the public be ready to forgive and forget by the time of the next election?

Posted by: Cdelita 19th January 2022, 12:17 AM

The rich landed gèntry are used to firing the serfs and servants when a posh old boy does wrong, and the common senses are just fine with that. Might not work this time.

Posted by: Rooney 19th January 2022, 12:41 AM

There's a completely different storm coming though with the energy prices. People are going to be paying double what they were paying this time last year, that's gonna effect the poorest but it will also piss off everyone in the middle bracket too. There's no way The Tories survive that imo unless they do something radical to not just help the poor, but decrease the burden on the middle bracket too. Any Leader who takes control is going to have a massive fight on their hands, none of them have the gift to the electorate like Johnson did either.

From a Tory strategic sense, Johnson going the at the best time possible would be after the local May elections. Surely they just accept the hit, move leaders and have a wave of optimism ready for Party conference season. But looks like the Red Wall MPs want him gone before that, probably because they've been hammered with emails and know they're going to lose their season in 2024 as these places are not safe Tory seats.

Posted by: Smint 19th January 2022, 09:30 AM

Johnson has particularly pissed off Uber Gammon Tim Martin from Wetherspoon who (rightly) highlighed the hypocrisy for Downing Street holding parties whilst his pubs had to close.

Posted by: Herbs 19th January 2022, 09:39 AM

Both of those people are horrendous. Isn’t the Wetherspoons guy the one who pumped loads of time and effort into the Brexit campaign?

(I’m not defending Boris in any way - it is clear hypocrisy)

Posted by: Quarantilas 19th January 2022, 10:11 AM

Yea that is the same mouldy slice of gammon you are thinking of. Particularly odious

Posted by: Smint 19th January 2022, 10:13 AM

Yes hence called him uber gammon but it shows that Johnson is not going to really have any support at all anymore. Well apart from maybe Nadine Dorries - I can imagine she won't remain a cabinet minister with whoever takes over. Hopefully the new person would demote the goddawful Raab, Patel and Mogg too. But getting ahead of myself now... let's see what happens too.

Posted by: Herbs 19th January 2022, 10:23 AM

lol I’ve never heard the term Uber Gammon!

Posted by: slowdown73 19th January 2022, 10:39 AM

I agree - the energy prices spike will hurt many families and businesses. Other factors such as the increase in NI contribution, increase in petrol prices and impact of Brexit on food prices will also be felt.

Posted by: Herbs 19th January 2022, 10:52 AM

According to BBC it is 5.4% increase year on year (highest for 30 years)

I don’t know the ins and outs of it, but I do think the cost of living increases are disgusting. Poor people are going to get into financial trouble and those who were previously comfortable will slide to the poor bracket

Posted by: Izzy 💀 19th January 2022, 11:57 AM

We got a defection! Marginal Red Waller from Bury South, Christian Wakeford has defected to Labour.

I wonder if any other Red Wallers will follow suit.

Posted by: Herbs 19th January 2022, 12:11 PM

I saw that and looked him up - whoever did his Wikipedia page definitely wants to highlight some discrepancies in what he claimed in expenses vs what he actually did (not a lot)

Posted by: Suedehead2 19th January 2022, 01:35 PM

One consequence of that defection is that the number of letters of no confidence submitted has gone down by one. Wakeford is one of the few who had gone public about writing such a letter.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 19th January 2022, 02:26 PM

PMQs was explosive today, but this zinger from Dame Diana Johnson has to be the highlight 🔥

Posted by: Smint 19th January 2022, 02:39 PM

Some have said that Wakeford's defection to Labour might hold off some would be letter writers as it would be seem to be too much of a gift to Starmer.

Posted by: Steve201 19th January 2022, 07:26 PM

And that’s without taking about David Davis’ Leo Amery put down 😍

Posted by: Cdelita 20th January 2022, 10:18 AM

Some tory mp says the authoritarian, wannabe dictator blob is BLACKMAILING REBELS, saying he'll leak stories to the press about them - more collusion between media and government, hallmarknof fascism -and saying he will WITHDRAW MONEY FEOM THEIR CONSTITUENCY!!!! Unbelievable. They can go to the police, but this fash regime is above the law, sooo...

Posted by: Smint 20th January 2022, 11:26 AM

Yes - well there was a spreadsheet that was leaked from the Whips Office which listed all of the Tory MPs (including William Wragg) and various embarrasing scoops they had on them including detailed sexual practices. Absoutely attrocious and would break every HR law available.

The corruption around funding has been known for a while and is at its worst during this government.

Posted by: Quarantilas 20th January 2022, 11:36 AM

There was a rumour that a heavy handed visit from the whips was partly behind the defection and if that’s what the whips did then I’m not surprised. Like holy f***. I’m not one to indulge Michaels political flights of fancy but this is like ripped from the textbooks of fascism. Boris needs to go ASAP because the UK is accelerating down a slippery slope to authoritarianism

Posted by: Rooney 20th January 2022, 11:46 AM

Those comments are really quite outstanding. There was talk that the Labour MP deflection was the reason some MPs were withdrawing their letters (and while I suspect that is the case for a couple) it really does seem as if the whips have played a major part here in damage control. Obviously we know full well how they will try and spin the Sue Gray report, but I think the public have already made up their minds.

Posted by: Cdelita 20th January 2022, 11:53 AM

When a government is above the law, we have fascism. Blojo is absolutely disgusting, as is the entire far right wing of his party. He is the worst thing to EVER happen to parliament, and ad Alistair Cambell said, any mp who supported him should be debarred from ever standing again, any paper that supported him, or media like this morning, eternally boycotted.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 22nd January 2022, 10:08 AM

Johnson less popular than Corbyn GE2019 era.

Ooft.

Posted by: Chartfridays 22nd January 2022, 01:00 PM

Worst PM approval ratings since Major's black Wednesday.

To put that into context we've had Blair's lying to parliament/cash for honours / Browns recession rough patch / Cameron cutting everything / Mays Brexit f*** up all since then.

Posted by: slowdown73 22nd January 2022, 02:03 PM

I’m not surprised Johnson’s approval ratings are so low. Him and his governments behaviour and whole attitude is appalling, deceitful and shocking for any democratic society and significantly undermines trust in politicians in general.

Posted by: Quarantilas 22nd January 2022, 03:41 PM

Ok now I’m rooting for him to stay a little long. Be the most hated PM of modern times, preside over the disintegration of the Union. It will KILL him slowly from the inside to know he will go down forEVER as a complete and utter failure

And THAT is just delicious karma

Posted by: Cdelita 22nd January 2022, 04:26 PM

This is what I've been saying!!! Hopefully it will end the posh boy "king of the world" entitlement at Eton too, to see one of their own so spectacularly fail, especially when the alternative was a working class socialist, who SHOULD have been pm!!!

Having that hated lying clown in for longer makes the next election easie. Given how useless Keir is and how the British establishment is all in on eternal Tory govts at this point, we need all the help we can get.

Posted by: Suedehead2 22nd January 2022, 05:12 PM

Whoever wins the next electio0n will face a string of major problems.

Government debt will dwarf the amount the coalition inherited in 2010.
NHS waiting lists will still be huge.
Trade will still be adversely affected by withdrawal from the EU with exporting / importing companies still struggling with the additional paper work.
Assuming it hasn't already happened, the SNP will be agitating for a referendum. A near clean sweep of Scottish seats in the election will add to the pressure.

The longer Johnson goes on, the worse things will get. The need to clear up that mess will be the main priority of an incoming Labour-led government, if there is one. There really is no point in labour adopting policies such as renationalisation when they are unlikely to have the time in the legislative timetable to do anything about it. A cynic might even think that is the Tory plan.

Posted by: The Snail 22nd January 2022, 07:24 PM

He might continue for a while longer as PM as the right wing press has hyped up for him the end of Covid restrictions and face mask laws. Whether it will lead to much popularity recovery for Boris Johnson remains to be seen.

Posted by: Smint 22nd January 2022, 08:30 PM

Getting rid of any covid restrictions will be very popular with his hard right MPs but unlike Brexit (well pre it happening) and anti immigration say, the complete throwing all caution to the wind won;t be popular amongst the country. Most people out there can see it is going on and would be happy with mild restrictions which could save a few lives.

Plus the fact that he was partying whilst everyone else was following the rules will be a big stain on the spin he was good fighting Covid (which is completely rubbish if you count the cost in human lives).

Posted by: daniellovesmusic 22nd January 2022, 09:55 PM

I’d say somewhere between 12 and 24 months.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 25th January 2022, 05:47 PM

Nu banger, nu banger. *.*

Posted by: Doctor Blind 31st January 2022, 10:38 PM

bye bye.

Posted by: Steve201 31st January 2022, 10:42 PM

Isn’t there a by-election on Thursday??

Posted by: cider man 31st January 2022, 10:48 PM

What about forum members or members of the voting public who STILL support him and there are a lot?

Posted by: Quarantilas 31st January 2022, 11:32 PM

Ouch.

Like Trump tho he cant see bad news. He should probs book a quick appt with specsavers

Posted by: Chartfridays 31st January 2022, 11:45 PM

But it's Amess's seat so most serious parties aren't standing out of respect.


TTurnout could be horrendous - Tory activists saying reaction worse in 25 years on doorstep

Posted by: Smint 1st February 2022, 12:15 AM

If Tories don’t go out and vote, there is the danger that some really far right piece of filth (Jayda Fransen, Catherine_Blaiklock) could get in. Mind you theywouldn’t be too far off some of the current Tories in the house.

Posted by: Suedehead2 1st February 2022, 06:33 AM

Please explain why you think it is OK for a Prime Minister to break the law (none of this euphemistic "rules" business, it was the law) and then lie about it to the Commons?

Posted by: J00prstar 1st February 2022, 09:18 AM

Shows they're a bit thick, doesn't it?

Posted by: Chartfridays 1st February 2022, 10:28 AM

Given the mental health treatment they're so clearly in dire need of?

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 1st February 2022, 10:34 AM

I'm glad somebody said it.

Posted by: Skankhunt43 1st February 2022, 10:38 AM

We now have a fascist government. Do you still support it? Simple question.

Posted by: Steve201 1st February 2022, 08:12 PM

Ah I didn’t realise it was his seat.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 4th February 2022, 08:59 PM

It continues. Drip, drip... death by a thousand cuts.

Posted by: Rooney 4th February 2022, 09:05 PM

Surely if someone gets a picture of that photo and it's in the papers on Sunday he's toast. Think the interesting part is whether Sunak is going to appear in the photo(s) at any stage..

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 4th February 2022, 11:04 PM

Another resignation

Posted by: Steve201 4th February 2022, 11:05 PM

Posted by: slowdown73 6th February 2022, 06:45 PM

Well the number of letters for a vote of no confidence is increasing and hopefully they will reach the number required at some point. He deffo isn’t out of the water yet and I suspect it’s just a matter of time before more MPs go against him.

Posted by: Steve201 6th February 2022, 07:31 PM

How long do the resignation letters stay with Graham Brady? I mean can he just keep racking them up until 54 come in like 3 months?

Posted by: Smint 6th February 2022, 08:21 PM

Yes - letters can be submitted at any time and are valid for ever. However they can also be withdrawn at any times. As soon as there are 54 ‘current’ letters then the MPs vote as to whether they keep Johnson.

Posted by: Steve201 6th February 2022, 09:16 PM

Cheers so we could get to 54 at any stage such as the council elections in May then!

Posted by: Smint 6th February 2022, 09:49 PM

True although if Johnson survives the current intense patch sadly I think letters will be withdrawn

Posted by: Rooney 6th February 2022, 10:07 PM

Johnson is toast, the people who have gone public with the letters are not going to withdraw their letters unless the Tory's pull off an election shock in May. He's absolutely done, it will just be a long and painful process. One other problem is he kicked out political opponents out of the Party so they don't have a leadership candidate right now who isn't in the Cabinet.

Posted by: Chez Wombat 6th February 2022, 10:35 PM

If it does go to a vote of no confidence though, isn't the rule that if they win it, they can't have another one for another 12 months? I really doubt at this point, before the investigation is over, there'd be enough support to oust him. It might be better in the long term to let him limp on at least until the May elections.

Posted by: Steve201 6th February 2022, 11:20 PM

Yeh as you say if the PM wins it’s put to bed for 12 months!

Posted by: slowdown73 7th February 2022, 01:05 AM

There is speculation that more MPs are planning to submit letters but some are waiting for the police investigation to end. Either way - it’s incredibly damaging and undermining for him to have several of his own MPs declare they no longer have any confidence in him. I can’t see the situation improving and the Tories will be affected badly at the local elections which will impact too.

Posted by: Suedehead2 7th February 2022, 08:34 AM

In theory, yes. However, they can change the rules as they threatened to do with Theresa May.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 7th February 2022, 09:19 PM

The events of tonight have surely got to be deeply damaging for him?

Get those letters in!

Posted by: Smint 7th February 2022, 09:55 PM

We are talking about Tories though. Wouldn’t count my breath.

Posted by: Botchia 7th February 2022, 10:00 PM

Half of the Tory benches were cheering him on and laughing along with him, so I wouldn't count on it.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 30th May 2022, 08:57 PM

Possible that the 54 letter threshold may have been breached for a VoNC in Boris Johnson.

Posted by: Smint 30th May 2022, 10:34 PM

Erm, I thought that as soon as the minimum threshold of letters was reached the operation had to be started. By all means postpone the votes until after the recess but smells fishy - especially as letters can be withdrawn anonymously at any time and wouldn't trust a single thing this Government does. Of course it's up to the Tories but still...

Posted by: Jessie Where 31st May 2022, 11:54 AM

We've been here before, I'll believe it when I see it.

Posted by: ElectroBoy 31st May 2022, 02:50 PM

Posted by: Suedehead2 31st May 2022, 04:17 PM

There are two problems with Johnson promising jobs. First, anyone who believes a Johnson promise needs their head examined. Second, if he gives out jobs to would-be rebels, the current holder of that job has to be moved / sacked.

Posted by: ElectroBoy 31st May 2022, 04:39 PM

I think he'll survive a vote of no-confidence anyway and then be safe for a least a another year where he will doing continual damage to the Tories and their brand.

Really whilst he is completely trashing democracy and politics in general. The longer he is there, the more the Tories vote is going to be hit in the next GE.

Posted by: Chez Wombat 31st May 2022, 06:09 PM

That's my thinking too, he is clearly not popular yet will not budge and continuing to lose support, I can't see anything going better for him even if the pandemic's less of a concern now what with the rising cost of living and continued long term effects of Brexit/Covid/Russian war over the next two years. If he is ousted, that gives them time to repair their brand, the longer he stays, the longer a chance of a humiliation come 2024 (ofc. this is dependent on the opposition actually taking advantage of this x)

Posted by: zenon 31st May 2022, 10:21 PM

If the Tories lose both by-elections and the VONC takes place afterwards then I think Johnson will no longer be PM.

Posted by: Smint 31st May 2022, 11:02 PM

My feeling is that no one that the party grassroots and financial backers want (ie the hard right Brexit crowd) would be popular with the electorate - Liz Truss and Priti Patel poll worse than Johnson. If they tried to shift leftwards ie Jeremy Hunt there would be an almighty fight for power which would damage the praty more. Sunak was the best bet but that series of damaging headlines (some say started by Johnson's team) has put paid to that. Maybe Penny Mordaunt (always talked about a dark horse) but dunno....

I'm slowly slowly (and this is despite me not thinking much of Starmer at all) believing they've run out of chances.

Posted by: Neil 3rd June 2022, 12:24 PM

Ah, the sweet bliss of hearing the boos from the flag waving crowds as Boris arrived at St Paul's this morning.

Posted by: Suedehead2 3rd June 2022, 02:41 PM

It was a Bring Your Own Boos event

Posted by: slowdown73 3rd June 2022, 10:39 PM

As much as I despise Johnson and think he is certainly the worst PM to serve during my lifetime, I actually think him staying might be a good thing in the longer term as the Tories are unlikely to win the next election with him still in charge.

Posted by: Suedehead2 3rd June 2022, 10:44 PM

The worrying thing about that is just how much more damage he can do in another two years. If Labour form a government after the next election (whether with a majority or not), they are going to face a horrendous mess to clear up.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 4th June 2022, 08:40 AM

Says a lot about the Tory Party that they cant find anyone remotely talented to lead them so stick with Bozo The Clown and his pack of talentless arse-lickers.

Posted by: slowdown73 4th June 2022, 01:38 PM

Even if Johnston goes, there isn’t anyone who stands out to replace him anyway.

I can’t see Labour getting a majority unless things get a lot worse. I suspect they will need to work with other parties to form a government but that might be a good thing.

Posted by: Suedehead2 5th June 2022, 02:39 PM

Wouldn't it be wonderful if Graham Brady had 53 letters tomorrow morning and decided to give Theresa May a call?

Posted by: Smint 5th June 2022, 03:58 PM

Lots of whispers that the vote threshold has been reached. If it does, f course the Daily Heil will scream about "There's a war going on" ignoring the fact that their headlines over past month have been about the minutiae of Beergate and their obsession with Harry and Meghan Markle.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 5th June 2022, 05:24 PM

Summer 2k22 shaping up to be pretty good if we can get rid of this useless tub of lard at the start. Bring on the vote of no confidence next week! If he goes, can we have a national public holiday like we did for the Jubilee please?

Currently a shorter term than Theresa May ..

Posted by: ElectroBoy 6th June 2022, 07:23 AM

Vote of No Confidence happening today

Posted by: Steve201 6th June 2022, 07:32 AM

Yessss!

Posted by: Steve201 6th June 2022, 07:44 AM

Even following winning a no confidence vote history tells us a PM rarely survives much longer:

Margaret Thatcher - 8 days November 1990
Theresa May 6 months - Dec 2018 - May 2019

Anyone else know any of the rest?

Posted by: Izzy 💀☄ 6th June 2022, 08:12 AM

Manifesting truth that I will never have stepped into a Johnson-led UK.

Posted by: slowdown73 6th June 2022, 08:13 AM

Well this is good news and at last some kind of real consequence for Johnson who clearly thinks he is untouchable until now. Although he is likely to win, it is highly damaging and sends a clear message to him.

Posted by: Skankhunt43 6th June 2022, 08:17 AM

GET THAT SACK OF SHIT SQUATTING IN NO.10 OUT!!!!!!!

AND I CANNOT BELIEVE MY EYES. Are people on here calling privatising JEREMY HHHUNT left wing?! You're having a f***in laugh!!! He's RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT wing, just not HARD right like authoritarian Blojo the Clown, the Etonian spittle devil of failed moral character, like a tree rotten at its very roots!!!

Posted by: Skankhunt43 6th June 2022, 08:18 AM

BLOJO BLOJO BLOJO OUT OUT OUT!!!!!

Posted by: Izzy 💀☄ 6th June 2022, 08:35 AM

Choose your fighter:

a clear consideration of just how f**ked the Tories are if they don't get rid of Boris vs
'let's move on and focus on getting the job done, we got brexit done rah rah rah Vladimir Corbyn last Labour government'

Posted by: Rooney 6th June 2022, 08:38 AM

He will survive the Leadership bid you would expect, but it will make things very hard for him going forward. Let's see what happens next, Johnson obviously feels confident.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 6th June 2022, 10:04 AM

It's win-win. If he's a Klingon we may end up getting rid of Tories at long last. If they dump him the nasty and nuttier policies pending might get less bad. And we will all still know that the only reason they got rid of him wasn't to do the right thing about a lying conniving elitist selfish useless lump of lard who failed to deliver on his promises, it was to save their own necks in forthcoming by-elections and elections cos the polls are disastrous.

His achievements on his "save my skin" essay: election-winner, tick. By pulling the wool over the eyes of gullible people who didn;t realise he was a compulsive liar.

Got Brexit done: only by ignoring all the promises made in the Brexit referendum, dumping the previous Tory party leader and most decent Tories with a conscience, bringing a hard Brexit and then deciding to ignore the agreement he signed despite being warned what would happen for 5 years by everybody. Oh, and those airlines arent cancelling flights cos Brexit went so well, and people arent dying at home because Brexit went so well, they are happening because we don't have enough European workers. Welcome to reality.

Unlocked quicker. By locking slower and killing more people than should have died. And thanks to our scientists and volunteers. Not thanks to the shitloads of billions in money given to lying mates with no skillsets who failed to deliver anything. Covid investigation pending next year, so better get those claims in now before the proof turns up about what a total c**t Johnson was caring not a jot how many people died. This is on record, and he caught covid by being a superspreader in a hospital, most likely. PS people still died after unlocking. We just felt better about it.

Standing up to Putin. So is the entire rest of the world bar 3 or 4 lackies. Humanitarian help by lowering help to other nations that were promised humanitarian help before Ukraine was invaded.

Cost of living help: yes they are. After deciding they preferred to let the UK oil companies double their profits overnight rather than legislate their profits should stay the same to help the economy and people. And then changing their minds the just in time for elections where it wasn't looking good for Tories.

So caring, so sharing.....

Please feel free to use any of those reasons to counter claims that Johnson has been anything other than a lying useless git throughout....

Posted by: Izzy 💀☄ 6th June 2022, 11:47 AM

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

Dorries is saying quite a few interesting things in that Twitter thread, god I love that she's so dumb. Quite possibly the least qualified Cabinet minister ever among stiff competition.

(meanwhile Hunt coming out for it with essentially a leadership bid means that whatever way this goes we've got a lot of Tory infighting to look forward to)

Posted by: Doctor Blind 6th June 2022, 03:37 PM

*.* Bubbly's in the fridge.

I think it's likely that he will win the vote, but anything under 200 MPs giving him support will make him effectively a lame-duck PM (of course that won't stop him clinging to power). Theresa May squeaked over the line with 200 in December 2018, and that was with fewer MPs - so anything below that will be quite shocking tbh.

Would be absolutely AMAZING though if he does lose tonight.

Posted by: Smint 6th June 2022, 03:41 PM

Yes some of Johnson's minions are parroting the 'big calls right' BS about lockdown and vaccines, ignoring the fact that more people died of covid in this country compared to our competitors. And the vaccines wasn't them it was the NHS (plus other countries caught us up).

He has fewer public declarations of support than May did at the same point in 2018. She had enough public declarations by just after noon. And lol that didn't protect her from much. Hoping it's a very narrow !win" for the tosser putting the Tories into complete civil war.

Posted by: Chez Wombat 6th June 2022, 04:38 PM

I'm sure he'll win, but this shows the writing's on the wall anyway, especially if the by-elections go badly as expected. Whatever happens, I'm just glad accountability still exists even in this party, telling us to 'move on' while you and your cronies shamelessly broke the rules multiple times while people sacrificed visiting and even mourning loved ones, Piss off! He was sorry he got caught, not that he did them. I know he's done much worse, but this one really irked me, especially as a teacher, how can you teach someone what's right and wrong when those in authority can just get away with wrongdoing with no repercussions.

Posted by: slowdown73 6th June 2022, 04:39 PM

Well Johnson has apparently addressed his own MPs prior to his confidence vote and told them he would do exactly the same thing again with regards to Partygate so clearly he has no remorse, empathy for all the families who lost loved ones during the pandemic and has learned nothing about the importance of integrity. The guardian are also reporting that when Theresa May had her vote of no confidence, by lunchtime she had enough backing by her MPs to win but Johnson is around 50 MPs short at the moment. I would be very surprised but delighted if he loses as he is the worst PM we have ever had and not good for this country and we deserve so much better.

Posted by: Jessie Where 6th June 2022, 04:57 PM

Well, some of the potential replacements waiting in the wings are arguably an even more terrifying prospect. It's incredibly bleak whatever way you look at it.

Posted by: Smint 6th June 2022, 05:06 PM

I don't think anyone who has a hope of appealing to the country can be any worse than Johnson, precisely as the public are finally wiseing up to him. And deposing a leader will cause a huge rupture within the Tory party which the opposition can take full advantage of. It's a wonderful day as long as Johnson doesn't win by a landslide.

Posted by: T Boy 6th June 2022, 06:31 PM

Plot twist no one saw coming:

Posted by: Suedehead2 6th June 2022, 07:06 PM

Posted by: Brett-Butler 6th June 2022, 08:03 PM

Boris wins, although his % was worse than when Theresa May had a vote of no-confidence, and she resigned a few months after that.

Posted by: Smint 6th June 2022, 08:04 PM

211-148 to Johnson. I'm pleased with that margin, keeps him in to do more damage to the brand but removes his authority.

Posted by: slowdown73 6th June 2022, 08:06 PM

Well it’s a very damaging situation even though he has won and let’s face it, if he stays then it’s not going to change the general public’s view neither!

Posted by: Suedehead2 6th June 2022, 08:09 PM

It’ll keep the rebels quiet until the by-elections later this month.

Posted by: J00prstar 6th June 2022, 08:41 PM

Honestly disgusting.

Literally admitting he never had any intention of abiding by the covid rules they enforced on pain of colossal fine on everyone else for two YEARS. He's a despot.

Posted by: Botchia 6th June 2022, 08:46 PM

Even with that 'no confidence' vote being bigger than Thatcher, Major and May, I can't see him going until Cabinet ministers start to move against him. Even then, I'm still not convinced he will go voluntarily, but I guess we'll see! Either way, surely the Tory party has now truly sealed its fate at the next general election?!

Posted by: Smint 6th June 2022, 08:48 PM

The cabinet is full of the most grotesque sycophantic individuals who would never get a job under any normal PM, so it won't come from them. Just have to wait for bad by elections, opinion polls and him just being seen as a laughing stock everywhere.

Posted by: Steve201 6th June 2022, 08:50 PM

Wonderful situation now!

If Hunt takes over he might be like John Major! This is just like the second decade of Tory rule last time they all start infighting and corruption rules!

Posted by: Steve201 6th June 2022, 09:05 PM

Also just realised as Ian Blackford said Johnson now only has support of a third of the HofC - will there be an earlier general election if he does go do people think?

Posted by: Botchia 6th June 2022, 09:19 PM

It wouldn't surprise me if he thinks a snap election is his best chance of survival (but will probably depend on how the two by-elections go)

Posted by: Rooney 6th June 2022, 09:24 PM

If they had a snap election today, they would lose. I can't see that. Think Boris is toast now personally, that's a LOT of his own MPs who want him out.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 6th June 2022, 09:30 PM

That's about as bad a result as I had priced in for the PM, I'd hoped it may be a little worse but it's quite comfortably the worst of the last century for a sitting PM (Previously Thatcher in 1990).

Government resignations coming tomorrow apparently... *.*

Posted by: Steve201 6th June 2022, 10:31 PM

All I can say is thank god we didn’t vote for chaos and Ed Milliband!

Posted by: Suedehead2 6th June 2022, 10:32 PM

Spare a thought for the companies standing by to be asked to tender for the job of doing a deep clean of the Downing Street flat. They're going to have to wait a little longer. Of course, some companies might find the prospect so repellent that they wouldn't be interested.

Posted by: Suedehead2 6th June 2022, 10:34 PM

I can't help feeling it will be people most of us didn't even realise were ministers in the first place. Possibly holing a position we didn't know existed such as Minister for Spoons.

Posted by: slowdown73 6th June 2022, 11:25 PM

Agreed but Johnson is a low life who is just out for himself. I saw through him very quickly before he even became PM. No substance, a liar and full of bullshit. I’m convinced the Tories will now lose the next election due to him which is a good thing for sure!

Posted by: Smint 7th June 2022, 09:05 AM

Many people thought he was a complete twat when he he became Mayor of London back in 2008. His expensive useless vanity projects, taking credit for things he never did (like the cycling scheme, introduced by the previous Mayor, Ken Livingstone being called 'Boris' bikes by his media friends - like WTAF?), his not coming back from holiday during the London Riots until very late, his horrible comments about minorities as a journalist. But he turned out to be much much worse as PM.

Posted by: Jessie Where 7th June 2022, 09:24 AM

I loved how one of his deluded devotees said on the news last night not long afterwards that he had "won handsomely".

Posted by: Popchartfreak 7th June 2022, 02:01 PM

Shhh don;t tell anyone but Dorries was too dumb to be trusted with the important Spoons job. Spends most of her time shit-stirring and they were worried she'd use the best spoons!

Posted by: Popchartfreak 7th June 2022, 02:04 PM

Was it Rees-Mogg? I doubt his eyes have been able to see anything above waist height for 3 years, what with his tongue permanently stuck up Bozo's ass....

Posted by: Suedehead2 7th June 2022, 08:48 PM

If you thought Dorries' declaration yesterday that we were at war with Ukraine was bad, she's at it again today by babbling on about £80m the Tories have received from the donors who were calling for MPs to support Johnson. Unfortunately for her, £80m is rather more than has been declared to the Electoral Commission (now, of course, controlled by Gove). So, either she has no idea how much the party has received or she has inadvertently told the world that the Tories haven't been entirely honest in their declarations. Oops.

Posted by: Jessie Where 7th June 2022, 08:57 PM

Hahahahaha. HOW do they keep allowing her to speak in public?

Posted by: slowdown73 8th June 2022, 12:31 AM

Johnson knows how to charm and many people have been fooled by his jovial character but underneath is someone who is callous, disingenuous, deceitful and who only cares about himself. Most PMs would have resigned by now given he was fined by the Police and the large number of people who voted against him in the confidence vote.

Posted by: cider man 8th June 2022, 06:37 AM

So would you like to know what I think. Good result and keeps Boris as PM hopefully to win another full term in 2024. I agree with what one MP said on TV yesterday. Boris has done far more good things as PM than bad things. Of course the biggest thing we must thank him for is doing the public's wished and getting us out of the nasty EU.

Hopefully we can still win the next election cos the alternative is horrendous. Starmer hasn't a clue.

Posted by: slowdown73 8th June 2022, 12:44 PM

Well it’s good to see people share different opinions but I think many people including myself will disagree with you about Johnson and the Tory party remaining in power. I am interested to know what you think they have done well as I am scratching my head to find anything that has been good?

I personally think the Tory party has done a lot of damage to the UK in their 12 years of government due to the impact of austerity, undermining workers rights, massive waiting lists with NHS which is struggling to cope, incompetent handling of the pandemic resulting in the highest death rate among Europe and the Brexit mess is far from over. If they introduce legislation to overstep the NI protocol this will cause a trade war with the EU and ordinary people and businesses will suffer considerably at a time when we have a cost of living crisis. The whole party gate affair and culture at westminister has significantly undermined the governments reputation here and abroad and the worst thing is Johnson is not even sorry about it as he told his MPs he would do the same again. I don’t think Starmer is great but he appears to be a man of integrity at least and I think we badly need a change of government and need to give him a chance. I cannot think of anything worse than being stuck with the Tories for another term and they are completely out of touch with the general public.

Posted by: Jessie Where 8th June 2022, 01:40 PM

Good result? 148 of his OWN MPS have no confidence in him, that isn't going to go away - no matter how much you, him and the rest of his blind devotees want it to. Plus there's the small matter of the two upcoming by-election which they're obviously going to lose heavily.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 8th June 2022, 06:59 PM

Well youre half-right, it's a good result, as it'll help make Tories much more unpopular than they currently are. PM's aren't judged on what they have done right vs what they have done wrong (though note the UK is forecast to be on 10%% inflation and second-worst economy in the G7 since we left the EU, so not that much of a success), but whether they are decent and honest and in their intentions and can stand by everything they have said. As a compulsive liar that's quite a stretch for this man, which is why three-quarters of non-cabinet Tories also think he's a lying wastrel. These aren't loonie lefties or wishywashy liberals. They are Tories. Given Bozo unseated Theresa May and all she tried to do, it's rather appropriate that there's a payback due. Payback's a bitch in politics when your own team get fed up with you (see Thatcher).

Posted by: Chez Wombat 8th June 2022, 07:06 PM

I hate the 'but the alternatives are even worse!' attitude to excuse this, because if this really isn't enough to be seen as 'even worse' at this point, how can we know exactly until it happens? Making things better start with change, not being open to any other options is just maintaining the status quo long enough to make it even worse.

Posted by: T Boy 8th June 2022, 07:21 PM

What’s worse is that the alternatives aren’t worse. They could be described as no better but they’re certainly not worse and it’s hard to imagine anyone being as bad as Johnson.

Posted by: J00prstar 8th June 2022, 07:30 PM

I can't think of a single good thing Johnson has done in his life never mind as PM.

The word on the street is that he's going to be daddy an 8th time soon. Not with wife number 3, though.

Posted by: J00prstar 8th June 2022, 07:37 PM

It's deliberate fearmomgering in order to create a narrative. It's one thing rightwingers are very good at, I'll give them that. I'd like to see the left get better at fighting fire with fire, instead of taking the high moral ground.

Priti Patel is a traitor to the country conspiring with foreign powers. Johnson's a letch with a taste for inappropriately younger women. Sunak doesn't pay his taxes. Gove's an adulterous drug taker.

Why isn't Labour pointing this out to socially conservative voters? Why aren't there any neutral tabloids pitting Starmer's 'classy' wife against Carrie? Etc. The narrative is totally one sided right now and its not natural. A quick google for example brings up that Starmer's wife and children are Jewish! Funny how we never heard about that while the whole of Labour was being hammered as definitely antisemitic!

Posted by: Doctor Blind 8th June 2022, 07:49 PM

Great article from Adam Bienkov.

Boris Johnson is Now Trump Without the Popularity
The Prime Minister is determined to cling on to power – no matter how much more damage he does to his own party and the country

https://bylinetimes.com/2022/06/07/boris-johnson-trump-without-popularity-confidence-vote-conservatives/

Posted by: Popchartfreak 9th June 2022, 10:00 AM

Meanwhile, news deflecting going on from Downing Street with plans to allow people with little or no income to get mortgages to buy Housing Association properties. Taxpayer supported obviously, that means those of us who have never been able to afford a house, but not poor enough to qualify for spending 10 years on a waiting list for a Council House, paying to give massive mortgage-default-risks (benefit to count towards a mortgage as "income") a cash gift assuming that the banks can suddenly get reckless all over again knowing that the taxpayer will save them again in order to try and boost the popularity of a liar with the struggling working class and hang on to those borderline seats at the next election. And more importantly the by-elections coming up, as a shit result will persuade more Tories to dump Bozo. Oh, yes, forgot to add that Right To Buys are still ongoing, Council's sell 2 at half price to buy one back in a cheaper area, the waiting lists get longer and the private sector renting out gets rich on the back of the taxpayer. I'm currently dealing with a complaint about a sale plan being wrong on a Right To Buy from 5 years ago. The new buyer doesn't like the plan. The previous Council tenant waited until the 5-year-period was done and wasted no time cashing in on the £75,000 cash gift from the Council. Happy to help.

What could possibly go wrong with the new plans?

Posted by: slowdown73 9th June 2022, 01:19 PM

I live in social housing but I wouldn’t want to buy my home and in fact I am trying to get onto the property ladder. The problem with council housing is the properties are generally not great and need a lot of work on them, you also get some tenants who cause problems such as ASB. I’d rather live in a better area with nicer neighbours and if you did buy a council or social housing home, I think it would be difficult to sell. Who wants to buy a flat in a council block?

Posted by: Smint 9th June 2022, 06:56 PM

Right to Buy is unfair for people who have never been eligible for coucnil property but have paid rent to private people year after year after year and unlikiely to get on housing ladder (me included). Seriously, though they need to supply lots of affordable housing asap.

Posted by: Steve201 9th June 2022, 09:45 PM

I agree with the ASB issues in council estates which is mostly caused because people allocated council tenancies are on the whole people who suffer from poor mental health and addiction issues and many aren’t tenancy ready and need more effective floating support and medical support. (That’s not everyone but many)!

But the standards the council has to meet are far and away greater than that of a private landlord who pick and chose which laws to follow.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 10th June 2022, 09:21 AM

Too true. Council properties have lots of H&S rules to follow, private landlords can be damp, rotting, expensive to heat cos they only care about getting someone in quick not upgrading them.

Posted by: Smint 10th June 2022, 03:54 PM

I hope we're at the point in Johnson's rule that whatever he does people will remain unimpressed and won't trust him and in this case like every other case, rightly so!

Posted by: Doctor Blind 10th June 2022, 06:31 PM

Completely agree: there is so much wrong with this policy and it's a complete nothingburger with no real thought or planning behind it; it's a flop tired retread, disingenuous and full of empty electioneering soundbite promises, it's unfair, pointless and it is doomed to fail (if it even makes it at all given the inevitable opposition from Housing Associations etc). To bring this in demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of what the issue is and how to solve it. The housing crisis *was caused* by Margaret Thatcher's Right To Buy scheme. Why would extending that scheme help to lessen that crisis?

Posted by: Popchartfreak 10th June 2022, 07:32 PM

hear hear! And I'd add, by rich foreigners buying up British houses as guaranteed investments that bring in high rent while you wait for the price to skyrocket, courtesy of the taxpayer paying far more in rent support to the private sector (eg Tory financial supporters) as opposed to the taxpayer paying Councils who reinvest the money into the housing stock and help subsidise other services. Everyone knows this is true, but Tory Governments need rich fiends to fund them. Meanwhile those of us who have to stick money into banks to save are watching it lose 10% in value before our very eyes in the course of 12 months.

Still, it keeps struggling British working class workers in their place. The place being low-paid jobs and a poverty trap that never lets you climb out of it despite all their promises they havent delivered on.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 5th July 2022, 05:13 PM

Sunak and Javid have resigned. It's over for Boris!!

Get the champagne out lads.

Posted by: Chez Wombat 5th July 2022, 05:16 PM

Yep, this will start a domino effect. No way he can outlast this even if he's dragged kicking and screaming from office.

'Forgetting' about a formal complaint of sexual abuse was certainly a choice of words, can't blame him, a lot of those to keep track of (:////)

Posted by: Smint 5th July 2022, 05:36 PM

Disgusting enabler of sexual abuse amongst his millions of other crimes. Let's hope he goes soon. As long as it's not bloody Liz Truss though....

Think Sunak and Javid will cause massive headaches on the backbenchers.

Posted by: T Boy 5th July 2022, 05:38 PM

This has to be it. In any other job, you’d be gone for something like this.

Posted by: cider man 5th July 2022, 05:51 PM

Hmm. Even I can't see him outlasting this. Sad days. Very sad days for the UK. Ah well you get what you deserve. I think you lot will regret the loss of Boris. If it keeps The Tories in power, great though.

Posted by: slowdown73 5th July 2022, 06:00 PM

With two senior cabinet members resigning, this is a serious blow for Johnson and it’s only a matter of time before he goes.

Posted by: Jessie Where 5th July 2022, 06:00 PM

Surely this time he is done, for real?

Gonna be an interesting night.

Posted by: Suedehead2 5th July 2022, 06:02 PM

As Covid hasn't gone away, I think I should point out that to lose one Health Secretary in a pandemic may be regarded as a misfortune. To lose two looks like carelessness.

Posted by: Jessie Where 5th July 2022, 06:07 PM

What about losing two ministers within a minute?

Posted by: T Boy 5th July 2022, 06:08 PM

Posted by: Smint 5th July 2022, 06:16 PM

Sunak and Javid although certainly don't agree with their political views - both are financers who don't care about equality were probably the best of the rubbish in the Government benches.

Posted by: Mark. 5th July 2022, 06:24 PM

Big blow for Boris losing those two high profile cabinet members, he may not last till Christmas

I think this bloke will be happy

Posted by: Envoirment 5th July 2022, 07:49 PM

Hopefully this will be the beginning of the end for Boris.

Perhaps a snap general election the come? *_*

Posted by: Steve201 5th July 2022, 08:08 PM

f*** me finally!

How long did Maggie last when Howe stepped down? A year?? Then did Lawson resign in Nov 90 causing her to go?

Posted by: Suedehead2 5th July 2022, 08:31 PM

Thatcher was gone within a few weeks of Howe's resignation. It remains to be seen whether Javid or Sunak deliver a resignation speech as devastating as Howe's.

Posted by: Y'all Starlight 5th July 2022, 08:42 PM

I dont think this is the end of Boris, he and Priti are probably cooking some new disaster for us to focus on soom with boris's cabinet choices

Posted by: Y'all Starlight 5th July 2022, 08:45 PM

Sad to see rishi go, he was the most Liberal Tory i have ever seen. Lets hope boris will go and also the tories will go.

Posted by: Suedehead2 5th July 2022, 08:58 PM

And the new Chancellor is the man who claimed the costs of heating stables on expenses.

Posted by: Steve201 5th July 2022, 09:28 PM

Probably one of my favourite speeches ever and connects the dots on the European arguement from Churchill to today!

Posted by: Steve201 5th July 2022, 09:29 PM

Neoliberal you mean!

Posted by: Izzy 💀☄ 6th July 2022, 12:40 AM

RISHI WHY YOU DO THIS WHILE I'M ASLEEP

Heh, fun. Good riddance to the immoral bast*rds who resigned, hoping for a very short tenure for this new Cabinet, what's left of it.

Posted by: Jessie Where 6th July 2022, 07:52 AM

Boris Johnson's cabinet has now been downgraded to a chest of drawers.

Posted by: Izzy 💀☄ 6th July 2022, 08:18 AM

and another one when I took an afternoon nap! clearly I should go back to sleep

Very funny seeing Zahawi doing interview rounds of what he'll do as Chancellor when the government is collapsing around him

Posted by: Smint 6th July 2022, 10:27 AM

Loads more ministers resigning today and previously loyal MPs withdrawing their support and in very negative terms of the PM's "leadership" (like what were you doing last few years?). Chris Skidmore MP goes even further and directly, in writing, accuses Johnson of covering up sexual abuse. I'll be surprised if he lasts the week now...

Posted by: Envoirment 6th July 2022, 12:09 PM

So many resignations today. I don't see how he could possibly go on for much longer.

Posted by: Smint 6th July 2022, 12:11 PM

Apparently a delegation of Tory Benchers are going to approach Johnson later today and demand his resignation and if not will set up proceedings for next week. If he does resign we'll get Dominic Raab as PM for the time being - definitely one of the more evil ones in Tory's cabinet (and they are all pretty repellant anyway) so no great inintial win although the resulting chaos will be diabolical for the Tory brand.

Posted by: Izzy 💀☄ 6th July 2022, 01:14 PM

for once I'm happy to hear rumours from the senior Tory MPs

there are many funny ways this could go down, let's hope it's one of those

Posted by: Jessie Where 6th July 2022, 01:24 PM

Even his most ardent devoted sycophants online now know this is the final chapter for him.

Posted by: Smint 6th July 2022, 01:29 PM

Funny if at the ripe old age of 96 the Queen actually has to make a major decision about appointing a new PM or refusing a General Election if Johnson plays that card.

Posted by: slowdown73 6th July 2022, 01:35 PM

It’s only a matter of time before Johnson will go. Looks like he will be forced out one way or the other either via a further vote of no-confidence if they change the rules or through a total collapse in support from his own MPs.

Posted by: Izzy 💀☄ 6th July 2022, 01:45 PM

he's lost Gove, 6 junior ministers over the span of a matter of minutes and disgraced former defence secretary Liam Fox

at this rate I think every single Tory MP will have put out a resignation or withdrawal of support as appropriate, he's not going to last the week and that's possibly being way too generous

Posted by: slowdown73 6th July 2022, 01:51 PM

It hasn’t been confirmed that Gove has resigned but he has already been extremely damaged by those who have resigned so as you say, he won’t last and he must know that deep down. He looks so weak and undermined now that it will be impossible to continue long term.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 6th July 2022, 02:09 PM

I heard he was appointing the cleaners that mopped up the puke from the Covid parties into the vacant posts. They are used to cleaning up the vomit and dealing with his constant lying, and let's be honest they are bound to have more moral backbone and ability than the brain dead toadies keeping him afloat.

And in response to a previous comment, yes I will miss Boris, in the same way I miss not having crabs. Feeling dirty, ashamed, worried and frightened it'll get even worse.

so, the whole world sees us as a laughing stock, we elected a total liar and buffoon who couldnt deliver the successful Brexit he promised (he couldnt even honour the shitty Brexit he signed up to), nor saving the NHS, no trade deals of any consequence. locked out of the EU single market, the economy and industry spiralling downwards, doing way worse than major economies, inflation rampant on a par with the likes of Greece, job vacancies that cant be filled and everyone headhunting desperately while wages sink lower and lower against inflation, people are left to die (oh yes they are) due to no investment in essential services, foreign workers not wanting to come here or not able to come here, making illegal immigration worse by pissing off France & the EU, oh and extending retirement age, adding tax bills to workers, and a pound that's heading for par with the dollar. Oh, not to mention billions given away to mates under the guise of covid, licking the arses of Russian oligarchs until the last absolute moment Tories could get away with it.

Apart from that, Johnson has been a total success in helping to increase the population personally, after the net loss due to his Covid-policies (ie having none till he was forced to), taking credit for scientists saving lives and the masses volunteering to help staff and organise vaccinations, and a wartime leader showing stioicism. War against Trade Unions, that is. The Ukraine posturing was trying to change his lying, cheating, immoral image after shitting all over the rest of us for not having parties during covid, and he did nothing that most western nations havent also done, except getting in there quick publicly to save his own bacon. He wasnt actually talking about kicking out rich Russians when they were invading Crimea. Too busy lying about how we would get the best ever trade deal from the whole wide world.....

Posted by: Smint 6th July 2022, 02:17 PM

Lol, you've painted the picture perfectly Popchartfreak. I reckon he can get very nasty though and cause carnage for the Tories.

It's crazy how fast this has all happened - up to November last year the Conservatives were ahead of Labour. And who can forget the 20+ poll leads at the early start of Covid.

Posted by: Chez Wombat 6th July 2022, 02:38 PM

He clearly has zero brains along with compassion and competence at this point. Just resign already, what are you proving here?!

Posted by: Silas 6th July 2022, 03:08 PM

I went to buy snacks from the work vending machine to listen to the liaison committee


Im gonna chill a bottle of something sparkling for when he is finally dragged from Office by his scruffy hair. Tho I would prefer he get thrown into prison for his treason, I’ll accept the backbench

Posted by: Jessie Where 6th July 2022, 03:42 PM

Is anywhere still taking bets on how long he'll last??

Posted by: Izzy 💀☄ 6th July 2022, 03:54 PM

I bet mere hours if not minutes at the rate this insane news cycle is going

top bants

Posted by: Skankhunt43 6th July 2022, 04:00 PM

GET THE EVIL TOAD OUT!!!

SACK OF NEOLIBERAL TORY SHIT!!!!

Posted by: Silas 6th July 2022, 04:07 PM

Allegedly the 1922 committee have changed their rules.

Is there a news chopper following his car from parli to no 10 yet?

Posted by: Skankhunt43 6th July 2022, 04:16 PM

GET THW DRINKS READY LADS. THIS MIGHT BE IT!!

LET THE SUN DAILY FAIL BBTORY ET AL FOREVER HANG THEIR HEADS IN SHAME AND LET TODAY BE A TESTAMENT TO THEIR ETERNAL DHAME, FOR PROMOTING THIS BOVIATING ETONIAN JOKE OVER BRILLIANT CORBYN!!!

Posted by: Silas 6th July 2022, 04:20 PM

Leaks were wrong 😭 they’ve instead brought the committee elections forward

Posted by: Izzy 💀☄ 6th July 2022, 04:22 PM

Well, perhaps all of the cabinet clustering in No 10 will still be successful in dragging him out kicking and screaming

Posted by: cider man 6th July 2022, 04:23 PM

I for one will be gutted when Boris goes. The party should be ashamed of himself. He won them an 80+ seat majority in 2019 and isn't even allowed to fight the next election. Sunak is an absolute disgrace. Boris gave him the Chancellorship after not being an MP very long and that's how he repays him. Ashamed to be British today.

Posted by: Izzy 💀☄ 6th July 2022, 04:26 PM

It's almost like circumstances change over the course of years.

Posted by: Skankhunt43 6th July 2022, 04:29 PM

I think you'll find that was Demonic Cummings, Brexshit, neoliberal centrist internal sabotage of Corbyn, AND THE ENTIEE BEITISH STATE ATTACKING COEBYN NON-STOP FOR TWO YEARS!! Blojo did shite all and only got 1% more than Mad May. Get the evil clown OUT!!!! The evil clown hates you btw x

Posted by: Skankhunt43 6th July 2022, 04:30 PM

The rest of us are ashamed on a daily basis to have that repugnant oaf and Trump wannabe represent us and be squatting in Corbyn's house x

Posted by: Popchartfreak 6th July 2022, 04:32 PM

"It is a wonderful and necessary fact of political biology that we never know when our time is up. Long after it is obvious to everyone that we are goners, we continue to believe in our “duty” to hang on, with cuticle-wrenching tenacity, to the perks and privileges of our posts.

We kid ourselves that we must stay because we would be “letting people down” or that there is a “job to be finished”. In reality, we are just terrified of the come-down."

Boris Johnson on Tony Blair 2006.

"Boris Johnson will not push for the prime minister to leave office before she has ratified a Brexit deal, according to friends of the former Foreign Secretary" The Observer 2019.

Chickens. Roost. Home.

Posted by: slowdown73 6th July 2022, 04:41 PM

Just imagine if Johnson tries to dig his heels in and insists on calling a general election. It’s highly unlikely to work and would lead to more resignations. Johnson must know deep down just like Trump did that his time as PM is now up.

Posted by: slowdown73 6th July 2022, 04:45 PM

I feel ashamed to be British and have Boris Johnson as our PM. He is an utter disgrace - his premiership has been littered with multiple mistakes, cover ups, lies and scandals in such a short space of time. He must be the laughing stock of Europe right now. He has absolutely no credibility and never really did in my opinion - just full of Mumbo jumbo. Our country deserves much better than an incompetent liar.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 6th July 2022, 04:58 PM

Just can't stand the man - deserves everything he gets.

Btw, if he goes today he will be 1 day short of Neville Chamberlain's tenure as PM and almost a month short of Theresa May's disasterous premiership. FITTING.

Posted by: Jessie Where 6th July 2022, 05:24 PM

"Only one MP out of 150 showed support for Boris Johnson at 1922 Committee meeting"

ND?

Posted by: Suedehead2 6th July 2022, 06:14 PM

Can't have been Dorries as frontbenchers can't attend unless they are invited for questions. I wonder who it was.

Posted by: Envoirment 6th July 2022, 08:07 PM

And another one:

I do hope Boris continues to be very stubborn and as the conservative party tries to get him out, he calls a snap general election.

Posted by: Steve201 6th July 2022, 08:16 PM

The 1922 committee will ensure that doesn’t happen lol

Posted by: Jessie Where 6th July 2022, 08:21 PM

Well, he's just sacked Gollum!

Posted by: Suedehead2 6th July 2022, 08:24 PM

Tomorrow's Commons committee sessions have all been called off because there aren't enough ministers to attend them. This is not a joke.

Posted by: Botchia 6th July 2022, 08:29 PM

Crying at Gove getting sacked, what a plot twist!

Posted by: Suedehead2 6th July 2022, 08:34 PM

We have now (probably) reached the point where the number of resignations from Johnson's government in the last two days exceeds the number of children he's got.

Posted by: Dobbo. 6th July 2022, 08:59 PM

This is the greatest soap opera ever, except its real. Long may he continue cos this is hilarious.

Posted by: Silas 6th July 2022, 09:00 PM

I am absolutely cackling at all of this

Posted by: Mart!n 6th July 2022, 09:45 PM

This really is like a Carry on movie a complete farce, I really despair at been to be a British citizen at times under this cretin.

Posted by: Skankhunt43 6th July 2022, 09:56 PM

This.

Come on, desperado election!!!

Posted by: Skankhunt43 6th July 2022, 09:58 PM

Omfg THIS!!! It really is an absolute farce

Thanks, Common Sense for this despicable and fracical gkvernment, and for taking us back to the 1970s under an Etonian clown for rhe rich, instead of the man who would have fought for you! Well DONE!

Posted by: Skankhunt43 6th July 2022, 10:09 PM

Hoping for an election for this to all continue!

Posted by: Steve201 6th July 2022, 10:39 PM

Gove glad he’s been sacked, wants to be this generations Hesseltine!

Posted by: Envoirment 6th July 2022, 11:59 PM

Welsh Secretary latest one to resign. At this rate there won't be anyone in government positions tomorrow.

Here is the breakdown from the BBC on those who have resigned:

Cabinet

Chancellor Rishi Sunak
Health Secretary Sajid Javid
Simon Hart, secretary of state for Wales

Ministers

Will Quince, education minister
Alex Chalk, solicitor general
Robin Walker, education minister
John Glen, Treasury minister
Victoria Atkins, justice minister
Jo Churchill, environment minister
Stuart Andrew, housing minister
Kemi Badenoch, levelling up minister
Neil O'Brien, levelling up minister
Alex Burghart, education minister
Lee Rowley, business minister
Julia Lopez, culture minister
Mims Davies, work and pensions minister
Rachel Maclean, Home Office minister
Mike Freer, equalities minister
Edward Argar, health minister

Parliamentary private secretaries

Jonathan Gullis, Northern Ireland Office
Saqib Bhatti, Department of Health and Social Care
Nicola Richards, Department of Transport
Virginia Crosbie, Welsh Office
Laura Trott, Department of Transport
Felicity Buchan, Department of Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy
Selaine Saxby, Treasury
Claire Coutinho, Treasury
David Johnston, Department for Education
Duncan Baker, Department for Levelling Up
Craig Williams, Treasury
Mark Logan, Northern Ireland Office
Sara Britcliffe, Department for Education
Ruth Edwards, Scottish Office
Peter Gibson, Department for International Trade
James Sunderland, Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
Jacob Young, Department for Levelling Up
Mark Fletcher, Department of Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy
James Daly, Department for Work and Pensions
Danny Kruger, Department for Levelling Up

Others

Bim Afolami, vice-chairman of the Conservative Party for youth
Andrew Murrison, trade envoy to Morocco
Theodora Clarke, trade envoy to Kenya
David Duguid, trade envoy to Angola and Zambia
David Mundell, trade envoy for New Zealand

And there there's one who has been sacked:

Levelling Up Secretary Michael Gove

That's over 40 resignations/sackings so far.

Posted by: Izzy 💀☄ 7th July 2022, 05:58 AM

MORE! MORE!

Don't let the dream of Johnson, Dorries and Rees-Mogg sitting awkwardly in an empty Cabinet room die!

Posted by: Izzy 💀☄ 7th July 2022, 06:40 AM

and we've reached 50 resignations (+1 firing) with the resignation of science minister George Freeman

Posted by: Steve201 7th July 2022, 07:25 AM

Lewis has the cheek to copy and paste the letter written by the rest ‘honesty and integrity’ from a man who proclaimed in the chamber to think it’s ok to break international law/agreements in a limited way!

Posted by: Izzy 💀☄ 7th July 2022, 07:59 AM

Zahawi makes his disapproval (but not resignation) official, making sure he gets to use the Treasury header paper at least once.

meanwhile, the Education Secretary appointed to replace him has already resigned

Posted by: Izzy 💀☄ 7th July 2022, 08:08 AM

IT'S HAPPENING

Posted by: blacksquare 7th July 2022, 08:29 AM

If only we had some clues to let us know what Boris would be like as PM before he was elected

bye bye~

Posted by: Smint 7th July 2022, 08:29 AM

He's resigning but wants to stay on to Autumn conference. So at least 2 months of the lying, country destroying, sex-offender enabling, thieving twat even if most of it is when Parliament is in recess.

Posted by: blacksquare 7th July 2022, 08:32 AM

How long do we think it'll take him to get his own cable or radio show?

Posted by: blacksquare 7th July 2022, 08:39 AM

One of the best things about this entire thing is watching him go down gracelessly, embarrassingly and desperately struggling beyond what should have been the end — he doesn't deserve anything less.

Posted by: Izzy 💀☄ 7th July 2022, 08:43 AM

I'd say 5 minutes but I think this completely unedifying saga is actually really damaging his brand.



I wouldn't have wanted anything less and with his ego. HE WILL DIE A FAILURE. No Churchill for him, he's way more like a Chamberlain... right down to the length in office.

Posted by: Silas 7th July 2022, 08:48 AM

Is it possible to die of Schadenfreude? Asking for a friend



He should just quickly sign a section 30 order for sturgeon on his way out and let the next PM deal with the consequences. Like a wee timebomb for those he thinks are snakes

Posted by: Smint 7th July 2022, 08:56 AM

A lot of the chatter is whether he should be forced out now (complete humiliation and the right thing to do for the country) or in the Autumn (where he will do more damage). Once you realise something is toxic you shouldn't keep having the poison for a second more. Hope the Tories go for the latter - they are brutal so reckon they might.

Posted by: cider man 7th July 2022, 08:56 AM

Seems many MP's want him to go immediately, like today and not wait until his successor is chosen.

A sad day for me. Am very very sad but can't help how I feel.

Posted by: Suedehead2 7th July 2022, 09:01 AM

Just rejoice at that news. Rejoice! Rejoice!

Posted by: slowdown73 7th July 2022, 09:12 AM

Well looks like Johnson has finally seen sense. I can’t believe it took him this long. What an idiot!

Posted by: Jessie Where 7th July 2022, 09:14 AM

I'm glad a good night's sleep helped him see sense.

To be honest, that doesn't sound quite as terrifying as the idea of Dominic Raab being a caretaker PM. But yeah, who the hell do we get next after all this?

Posted by: Izzy 💀☄ 7th July 2022, 09:16 AM

So far those who have expressed interest include Suella Braverman and Steve Baker

I reckon Sunak or Hunt is still most likely.

Posted by: blacksquare 7th July 2022, 09:21 AM

I'm sure — whoever it is — that they'll be absolutely fantastic.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 7th July 2022, 09:21 AM

Well worth the shitshow, though never leave anyone bitter and twisted able to cause havoc in post. Soon as you speak out about goings-on in local government you are marched out of the building on the spot, never to return. Then paid off afterwards to keep shtum.

No sympathy for anyone who supported the man. We all knew he was a self-serving liar with no morals. His colleagues all knew he was a self-serving liar with no morals but accepted that to get one over on voters who were fooled into thinking someone who never combs their hair and is rude to people with a smile on his face was in any way capable of carrying out his promises and lies. Everybody that knows Johnson knows he is lazy and useless and a habitual liar with no regard for consequences, and he got used by the ruthless cronies for their own ends-justifies-the-means.

Not that it matters, Tories are like the hydra, cut off one head and another equally ugly head pops up. And if anyone is stupid enough to think that a new leader will bring about a sudden miraculous moral sea-change, think again. They just might not be such blatantly obvious liars and egomaniacs.

they all went along with Johnson when they thought he was a winner. So they are either just as bad, or useless judges of character. (hint: I know people who had Johnson as a Boss. He's a "not big on details, not keen on reading up" flim flam man. Always was. Always will be)

Posted by: Jessie Where 7th July 2022, 09:24 AM

My money's either on Mordaunt or Wallace.

Whichever way you look at it, it's so incredibly bleak.

Posted by: Smint 7th July 2022, 09:30 AM

What is Ben Wallace like?Is he still a nasty Tory but better than the likes of completely evil/insance/delusional as Truss, Braverman, Baker, Raab, Patel etc?

Seems to have jumped to the top of the contenders recently - mainly due to Ukraine but also because I feel that a ceratin section of the electorate really would go for a man who has been a military - like when Dan Jarvis was hero for a while in Labour circles.

Posted by: Skankhunt43 7th July 2022, 09:39 AM

Shame. I was enjoying this episode of Brexshit

The bad thing is, they will use him as a scapegoat, and get the medis to bosot the Tories again, pretending a new leader = BRAND NEW PARTY, WOOOOO!!, and that theyw eren't all in it together. Empty Suit Starmer will have trouble vs Sunak. I wanted an election and dor Blojo to go doqn in disgrace, destroying his majority!

Remember when Common Sense said Blojo WOULD EASILY have 3 or more terms, and gleefully said that Blojo just recently ssid he eanted three terms?!

Ta ta Blojo! He should NEVER EVER bave been PM, and it spesks a lot to how sick our politics are right now that he got there, and that he got it over the greatest PM we never had, one mr Jeremy Corbyn, the best of the best, a fighter for the people and of the people.

Posted by: Smint 7th July 2022, 09:49 AM

Yes, I think the Tories would go out of the way not to appoint a cartoon character PM again like Johnson so the likes of Liz Truss, Priti Patel, Jacob Rees Mogg etc are out. But a SERIOUS minded evil Tory like Penny Mordaunt or Ben Wallace say could do serious damage to Starmer with the press on their side because it's not like he's got a massive policy difference with the Tories now (to put it mildly) and he's dull and uninspiring as f***.

Posted by: Smint 7th July 2022, 10:49 AM

Lol it looks like Johnson is actually appointing new ministers. He's not going anywhere in the short term despite most of the MPs wanting him out now. Imagine he actually wrongly briefed everyone earlier and is deciding to fight on.

Posted by: Silas 7th July 2022, 10:56 AM

I can’t believe there are still spineless cretins left to appoint to the cabinet office tbh

Posted by: Izzy 💀☄ 7th July 2022, 10:59 AM

More shortest serving cabinet minister records to be broken *.*

Main house VONC or 1922 committee looks like it'll put paid to another 3 months of him.

Posted by: Jessie Where 7th July 2022, 11:14 AM

Statement at 12:30 from the Eton Mess

Posted by: Houdini 7th July 2022, 11:33 AM

14 people guessed right!

Posted by: Popchartfreak 7th July 2022, 11:37 AM

hot off the press, Bozo's resig letter:

"It is with a heavy heart that I must resign as Prime Minsister, thanks you for my huge vote that I personally achieved in 2019 as you all placed your trust in me that these Tory bast*rds just stabbed me in the back over a few minor issues and misdemeanors. I will try to cling on as long as I humanly can, and make sure the backstabber who follows me has as hard a job as possible. My record is impeccable and I have achieved everything I promised, I'm so wonderful and right but you can't bleat, I mean, beat the herd of sheep all lining up to backstab me cos of a few parties.

I promise to give the new leader as much support as I can. That might not be easy while I'm creaming up writing my memoirs and boosting my ego and coffers, but I'll do my best. Or at least as well as I did keeping control on my staff not breaking the law. Make no mistake while I am in office I will do my best for the country and continue my winning ways. I love you all, cheerio. Except those of you that didnt vote for me and just backstabbed me like I backstabbed ol Theresa. Anyone got a comb...?"

Posted by: Harve 7th July 2022, 11:44 AM

I can only hope that with such a bitter resignation speech he will have Dominic Cummings' scorched earth attitude and have so much to dig up and leak to make the successor's life difficult.

Posted by: Smint 7th July 2022, 12:05 PM

Yes he won't go quietly and will extract revenge on people. It's a difficult choice - keep him on and cause untold damage to country but also the Tory brand or him going with "honour" but the Tories regrouping fast. My head wants him to destory the Tories but my heart says for the country it'd be best if he goes NOW.

Posted by: J00prstar 7th July 2022, 12:12 PM

Didn't see his speech but apparently he was like a naughty child plus thanked the police for covering up for him?!

My theory is mostly someone writes his speeches but this time it was all him & he didn't have a clue as to tone.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 7th July 2022, 12:36 PM

About fucking time -

No apology, no acceptance of blame. Gaslighting those around him. True to his character to the very end.

Let us never forgot that this narcissist, this apologist for sexual predators, this lying, fat, incompent, lazy, disgusting human was supported and propped up by the Conservative Party. Let the stench of his failures stain and taint the brand forever more.

He shouldn't be allowed to squat in number 10 until the autumn, he should be forceably removed this afternoon. Then, a national public holiday should be declared to celebrate this moment.

Posted by: Jessie Where 7th July 2022, 01:07 PM

He basically blamed others for him being in this position, as per usual. Blaming a "herd mentality" for forcing him out and said "the Darwinian system will appoint a new leader". No apology, no acceptance of blame, no self-awareness. No redeeming qualities, just like him.

Posted by: Silas 7th July 2022, 01:07 PM

The speech was hilariously obnoxious and arrogant. He didn’t actually resign at all. Seems to be squatting down like a dug doing a shit on the good rug

Posted by: Dobbo. 7th July 2022, 01:33 PM

Is anyone actually surprised? Point me to one clip ever where he's actually said the word "sorry". If you go through all of his "apologies" as PM he always worded it "I would like to apologise for..." without actually apologising.

Posted by: slowdown73 7th July 2022, 01:36 PM

Johnson did not accept any responsibility during his resignation. No apology at all for any of his failings or lies.
I guess the question now is whether Johnson will be allowed to stay on until a new leader is found and who will take over. Given the massive backlash in resignations, I cannot see how he can remain as he has clearly lost the complete trust and support of his MPs. There are so many difficult issues that will need to be addressed during the coming months and without an effective and functioning government, that cannot happen.

Posted by: Houdini 7th July 2022, 02:47 PM

Him saying "Them's the breaks" was one of the standout moments of his speech which actually made me laugh. You could tell that he doesn't really care too much.

Posted by: Chez Wombat 7th July 2022, 02:57 PM

Going out as he came in then - no integrity, compassion, or accountability at all, just a power-hungry narcissist who knew how to keep up appearances at least early on. Even putting my own feelings aside, I'm struggling to put positive achievements to his name - the effects of Brexit are far from over and the vaccine rollout was good, but everything else about Covid was woefully mishandled, and that's on top of all the lying, turning a blind eye to sexual assault and bullying and partying over lockdown.

I'm a bit torn as I do want to see him continue to destroy the Tories for the new few months, but he's clearly doing this to hang on as long as possible and possibly get himself a ministerial position or even try to twist things to keep him there.

In terms of the next leader, Patel, Raab, Rees-Mogg or, God forbid, Dorries would indeed be grim, but I don't think any of those would be especially popular with the public. Sunak possibly, but it's not certain, I don't know enough about Mordaunt or Wallace yet, it's reason to be positive though at least initially as they haven't got a clear vote winner.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 7th July 2022, 02:57 PM

..and the scandals keep coming, quite remarkable.

Posted by: Suedehead2 7th July 2022, 03:15 PM

It is worth remembering that the last three PMs have now had their career destroyed by the antics of Boris Johnson. I wonder if he will try and destroy a fourth.

Posted by: Izzy 💀☄ 7th July 2022, 03:22 PM

On the contrary, he cares a lot (and that particular affect was very cringe) and was trying to pass it off as looking tough. That's why he was so defiant and why it seems that Conservative MPs aren't happy with his "resignation speech". This isn't over yet and it will continue to be great schadenfreude watching his downfall.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 7th July 2022, 03:47 PM

"A “sociopath” has little regard for another person's emotions, rights, or experiences. They lack remorse for their actions, and they act in ways that show no regard for others, including lying, cheating, and manipulating. Some people with this condition aren't very sly about their conduct"

I'd suggest that any chance of avoiding it will entirely depend on him being kicked out of the Tory party. Fingers-crossed they havent learnt their lesson (again) and keep him as an MP for the forseeable future.....

Posted by: cider man 7th July 2022, 03:47 PM

I would hardly call him a failure. Journalist, London Mayor, MP, Foreign Secretary and Prime Minister. Not a bad CV and bet it's better than anyone here could ever hope to attain. He got Brexit done and handled Covid well. In fact I heard one of his enemies say that he thinks history will be quite kind to him.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 7th July 2022, 03:54 PM

sorry I cant resist posting the wonderful jason Isaacs tweet:

Jason Isaacs
@jasonsfolly
Tremendous resignation speech from @BorisJohnson rich with dignity and grace. For anyone who missed it and doesn’t have the time to listen to it in its entirety, I’ll paraphrase:
“I’m amazing. You all still love me. My party are a bunch of back-stabbing c**ts.”

Posted by: Jessie Where 7th July 2022, 04:00 PM

This is from yesterday, but it's a testament to what sort of person he really is.

Posted by: Izzy 💀☄ 7th July 2022, 04:16 PM

do you think that 'goes from an 80 seat majority to being forced to resign after a deluge of scandals and ministerial resignations make it impossible for him to desperately cling on any longer in a timeframe of less than 3 years' is the sort of career that will be looked upon favourably by historians?

Posted by: Mart!n 7th July 2022, 04:19 PM

The Mirror

ffs... a party at chequers

A change the sodding venue,

B. The public, DO NOT CARE

Posted by: Izzy 💀☄ 7th July 2022, 04:30 PM

also you wanna bet?

I am quite confident the majority of people here have done more and will do more to benefit the world than he has.

Not all of us are born into wealth, Etonian connections, nor do most of us wish to seek power for its own sake. Nor should that be the metric of how we judge societal success, or we do end up with the sort of poisonous culture that he propagates.

May his departure signal the end of personality politics in Britain for now - the government is a representation of 65 million people seeking out the best way to organise society within Britain's borders, not a reality show where some blond-haired arsehole can decide he'll ignore the rules because he really really wants to be the next Churchill. May his future be dogged by a refusal to see him accepted within public life while his planned book deals and conference speeches fall through so that he has to find some humility in retirement. And may his name be marred with ignominy on the few times that historians remember him as a disastrous footnote through some tumultuous British years.

Posted by: J00prstar 7th July 2022, 04:33 PM

Aim higher.

Posted by: Skankhunt43 7th July 2022, 04:34 PM

He is a f***ing DISGRACE and caused the break-up of the UK with his anti-democratic hard Brexshit!! Every job he EVER got was due to being part of the disco citizens and having friends in the right places. History will NOT be kind. We told you about him and we told you about Brexshit We were right about both.

Posted by: T Boy 7th July 2022, 04:40 PM

Thank goodness he’s going and I love the messy way it’s happened. He is a disgrace as is anyone who ever supported him.

Posted by: Jessie Where 7th July 2022, 04:49 PM

Imagine someone like Chris literally idolising him because he's powerful and wealthy, when in truth Boris Johnson would spit on him if he saw him in the street. It's the most pathetic thing imaginable.

Posted by: T Boy 7th July 2022, 04:59 PM

History will be much kinder to Cameron and May. Their awfulness will be dwarfed by what came next.

He has failed. And it’s glorious.

Posted by: Envoirment 7th July 2022, 05:01 PM

Glad he resigned as party leader, but I was hoping he would resign as PM as well right away. Then I just saw the wedding party story.

I assume a general election is less likely now. Although I wonder who is going to replace Boris as PM.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 7th July 2022, 05:08 PM

Short memory, Chris!

Eton. Rich. journalist who got sacked for being a lying little shit time and again. London mayor who took credit for previous Mayor's achievements (eg "Boris" bike) and helped his rich mates get tax free building "no section obligations for us mate". Foreign Secretary sacked for being useless and lazy. PM sacked for being dishonest, self-serving, BY HIS OWN PARTY OF RIGHT WINGers!!!!!!

There is no job he cant f*** up. That he managed to pull the wool over the eyes of so many people is the only talent he has. An ability to sell people what they want to hear and then ignore them. Con man.

The Brexit he got done was the worst, most-damaging, Brexit available short of leaving with no agreement at all, and wasn't what he promised at all. Funny how people forget what they don't want to remember.

"I don't mind being lied to and being worse off because I can't admit I was wrong about voting for him".

Managed Covid well in the sense that he immediately ignored it, went into a hospital shook hands with all the patients while not wearing a mask, spread it about and then became seriously ill from Covid and put his wife and unborn child at risk by being a nonce. At which point it was hard for him not do something about it as the world starting shutting down. The UK had one of the highest death tolls and still does, however you measure it. Let old people in care homes die, sent them back to spread Covid and kill others. That is not a success. Scientists inventing a vaccine is a success. Johnson deciding to use the vaccines other people came up with (and buying them) is something any old twat could decide to do. Even a twat like Johnson wouldnt turn down a gift like that. As no politician in power in the world did.

Just saying.

Posted by: Suedehead2 7th July 2022, 05:48 PM

What did he actually achieve as London mayor or Foreign Secretary? What good has he done as PM? As for journalism (more of a columnist than an actual journalist), he published a pack of lies.

Posted by: Jessie Where 7th July 2022, 10:40 PM

Pie has nailed it here and then some!



A must watch for Chris also.

Posted by: Chez Wombat 7th July 2022, 11:03 PM

^He always nails it and he certainly did here too *.*

James O'Brien did a wonderful take down as well

Posted by: Smint 8th July 2022, 10:01 AM

Hmmm, there will almost certainly be a case of out of the frying pan and into the fire. I haven't got time to do a full analysis - but Suella Braverman (whose a slightly more articulate Priti Patel) has launched a leadership campaign and she immediately wants to take UK out of ECHR, do a war on woke and wage war on trans people. Steve Baker is a very dangerous but very influential anti environmentalist.

I had a brief look at the Daily Mail (and it's because I'm staying with family and they buy it) and they "rate" each candidate. I noticed that they said that Penny Mordaunt's "bad point" was that she had controversial views on trans people - those were that she once said in Parliament "trans women are women".

It's going to being a very unedifying contest.

Posted by: Skankhunt43 8th July 2022, 01:13 PM

The biased rag Sun is doubling down, calling him the "greatest political figure since Thatcher", though "not ss good as we hoped"!!!! f*** OFF THE SUN!! You gave us that sack og shite over Corbyn, and just imagine how they would have reacted had all of this been under Corbyn! They most certainly wouldn't have been buying up stoeies about Corbyn to keep people quiet lile The Sun! Bip Bip Curry x

Posted by: The Sake 8th July 2022, 01:17 PM

Oh dear I didnt know she was that extreme. Its a pity as I thought it might have been interesting for debates having two party leaders from high up legal backgrounds!

Posted by: Smint 8th July 2022, 01:23 PM

It is to the UK's disgrace that 5 of the main Daily papers have absolutely abhorrent views - Mail, Express, Sun, Telegraph and Times (although last one does have good stuff occasionally) They are also fiercely anti green and so will literally aid the destruction of the World.

Posted by: slowdown73 8th July 2022, 04:07 PM

The media have their own agenda and play a pivotal role in influencing the general public’s views in politics. Look at the situation with Jeremy Corbyn. He was never given a chance!

Posted by: Popchartfreak 8th July 2022, 05:09 PM

One solution would be to get elected and then change the law so that foreign-dwelling tax-dodging newspaper billionaires can't own British newspapers. Though, as we all know, anybody in the world can put any old bollocks on the internet and people lap it up.

It might not stop the press but it will at least make them personally aware of what living in the UK and paying tax means. Oh, and cut off all dodgy tax millionaires from being able to avoid tax in tax havens (The USA, for all of it's problems, is quite good at chasing that up). For example The Sunak's, living here, but being taxed elsewhere. Piss off and move if you dont want to pay tax, and stay out of politics on a system you are not contributing towards, I say.

Oh, and fine any serving politician who is blatantly caught lying.

Just a few suggestions.

Posted by: Smint 10th June 2023, 06:44 AM

Well he's completely gone as MP now let alone PM! What a disastrous road that this man put our country down and the utter waste of finance for a Brexit project he didn't believe in that could have been used for about a million better things. The sad thing is that our institutions and services will continue to crumble and our most vulnerable people will suffer and die as a result.

I personally doubt he'll do a comeback in a meaningful way. He's not got the strength of character (albeit in a horrific evil version) or popularity that Trump has. Plus his support for Ukraine means that he won't be considered a Trump ally. Just like most things about the little Britain he made happen, we are increasingly irrelevant on the world stage. He'll make money on the speakers' circuit for God known reasons but, in a way, that doesn't matter. To most people he'll become synonymous with failure and deceit.

Posted by: Suedehead2 10th June 2023, 09:59 AM

His letter is so full of lies, it is hard to know where to begin. Even some of the basic "facts" are untrue.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 10th June 2023, 03:11 PM

What a great start to the weekend. *.* I'm guessing the Privileges Committee final report must be really damning then as he isn't even going to try and fight to survive. The resignation honours list that Sunak caved into accepting was a disgrace and that resignation letter - also a disgrace. To the very end he can't ever take responsibility and acts like a child.

Hopefully that's the last we ever have to see of him.

Posted by: Big Fat Sue 10th June 2023, 03:20 PM

An absolute disgrace that weak wobbly Richie Rich acceptdd that vile honours list. Even more of a disgrace that he caved dsys before Blojo resigned anyway.

Posted by: spiceboy 10th June 2023, 05:45 PM

I was about to say the same, Cameron and May will be given a much easier ride thanks to the disaster of Johnson and Truss.

Posted by: Suedehead2 10th June 2023, 08:17 PM

Cameron has to take a lot of the blame for Johnson. His decision to gamble the future of the country in an attempt to save his career enabled Johnson's takeover.

Posted by: Big Fat Sue 10th June 2023, 08:27 PM

Has anyone noticed that the brexshir and blojo trolls the internet over have all gone VERY quiet? Guess politics isn't like football after all! Who'da thought it!

Posted by: Suedehead2 14th June 2023, 06:08 PM

Among the names on Johnson's resignation dishonours list is that of Charlotte Owen who gets a peerage. She is not yet 30, meaning that she could be a legislator for fifty years or more (unless Labour do actually abolish the House Of Lords). Her LinkedIn page says that she worked as a special adviser to Johnson from February 2021 to October '22. However, official records suggest that she worked at Downing Street for less than half that time. Even then, she worked for both Johnson and the then Chief Whip. That would not normally be anywhere near enough to merit a peerage.

Probably best not to mention that she's blonde. People might jump to conclusions.

Posted by: Smint 14th June 2023, 11:27 PM

Despite all of the horsecrap we have about his honours list (and won't Liz Truss get her resignation list despite screwing up the country during the few hours she was at the helm) what is pleasing is that so called drip drip of resignations of Tory MPs supposedly happening over the weekend stopped after Nadine Dorries and that other one I can't even remember. I mean the runctions would have been fun but please no more of this ghastly thing.

Posted by: Rooney 15th June 2023, 08:42 AM

90 day suspension recommended!! That is absolutely mad.

Will be interesting to see the news later today when the journos had have time to read the full report. I really can't see any way back for Johnson after this.

Posted by: Dobbo. 15th June 2023, 09:41 AM

Not long enough tbh!

Posted by: Silas 15th June 2023, 12:35 PM

A fitting end to the most dangerous and damaging British passport holder of my lifetime. I cannot think of a single Brit who has inflicted more harm on our country than this man. Tens of Thousands of people died needlessly as a result of his incompetence through Covid. Brexit was a monumental act of national self-harm that has left us poorer and more isolated. He will get his name written in the history books as he so clearly desired, but not a word will be positive.

Posted by: crazy chris 15th June 2023, 04:54 PM

There was no incompetence. It was a pandemic, something natural that Government couldn't control. Am sick to death of everyone blaming Boris. Starmer would have done no different. If everyone, and I mean everyone, had followed the rules rigidly then there'd have been less deaths.

Posted by: neill2407 15th June 2023, 04:57 PM

Well Johnston has finally been exposed as a calculating and very manipulative liar. I always knew he was full of baloney - the smirk on his face and body language said it all when he was asked on camera if he had lied to parliament. He has not only lied and misled the country about Covid but also many other issues including Brexit. His actions were highly reckless and disingenuous particularly to all the families who have lost loved ones from covid. I cannot see how he can return to politics in any shape or form as he has shown no remorse and his actions warrant nothing other than expulsion from his party.

Posted by: Chez Wombat 15th June 2023, 05:44 PM

It's wonderful that even in these tough times that justice has been served, especially to all those who couldn't see loved ones before they died and missed funerals. Even better that it was his ridiculous rant in his resignation statement that moved it up to 90 when it was initially just more than 10

I can't see a way back for him from this (outside of speaking jobs and book deals but what else is new x). His name will be forever tainted now much like Cameron was with Brexit and much as the Tories tried to bury it and getting people to move on, this issue was a huge one for the public that will stick. Not quite the new Churchill he was hoping for eh? ;-)

Posted by: T Boy 15th June 2023, 05:59 PM

And would you have defended Starmer in this situation? Or Corbyn? Stop living in a dream world.

Posted by: Suedehead2 15th June 2023, 06:02 PM

Starmer was calling for a lockdown in the autumn of 2020 weeks before Johnson finally got round to doing something. The result was over 1,000 people per day dying for several weeks in early 2021. So no, Starmer would not have done exactly the same as your lying hero.

Posted by: Silas 15th June 2023, 07:08 PM

Stfu

Just look at the rest of the world. Countless leaders did better. Countless countries had lower death rates that the uk


The UK had a huge economic hit from covid and brexit double whammy.



Literally anyone with a functional brain can see Boris was a f***ing disaster. Don’t kid yourself or us

Posted by: Big Fat Padam 15th June 2023, 07:34 PM

The lying sack of Tory dung let people jaunt around on ski holidays in covid hot spots, and allowed masses of fans from covid hotspots over for a football game... Corbyn and Starmer would not have done that.

Posted by: Dobbo. 15th June 2023, 08:39 PM

Tbf it's not even that which was the main issue as I genuinely think had he locked down earlier the first time or second time I don't think it would have changed the overall death count by a significant amount. Plenty of countries which locked down hard and successfully initially got absolutely destroyed by future waves...

But banning funerals whilst partying every week? Inexcusable.

Posted by: crazy chris 15th June 2023, 09:14 PM

Yes I would if they'd done exactly the same as our great PM did. And it's not me in the dream world...

Posted by: Suedehead2 15th June 2023, 09:45 PM

It's a long time since we had a great PM.

Posted by: Envoirment 15th June 2023, 10:25 PM

David Cameron. He is what led to where we are now with Brexit and subsequently the inept/horrific government it created when the pandemic hit. He should not be able to get away with what he has done and be overshadowed by Boris' mess. Also his government is what implemented the beginning of austerity. They also made Royal mail private in that time (among other things).

Posted by: Smint 15th June 2023, 11:16 PM

Yes Cameron and Osbourne claimed they were caring, co-opted a principle free narcissist (Clegg) and went on a project to make the poorest and vulnerable suffer most whilst ensuring their wealthy friends and backers earned even more. All whilst saying "We are in this together". Oh and pretending to be green one day and then saying "let's cut the green crap" from their manifesto in private.

Posted by: neill2407 15th June 2023, 11:46 PM

Nobody really knows whether an alternative government would have handled the pandemic any better but you are missing the point that Johnston was found guilty by the Covid committee of knowingly misleading parliament. His actions were highly reckless at a time when he was supposed to be serving our countries best interests. The problem was the government clearly didn’t follow the rules so
what kind of example does that set to the general public? Furthermore, the Covid committee report highlighted a number of factors that impacted on the governments ineffective response to the pandemic such as lack of testing, delaying lockdown and austerity. While I agree with you that the government had to a large extent no control over the pandemic outbreak, if their response has been better like other countries such as New Zealand then we would have ended up with far fewer deaths so there are clearly many lessons to be learned from the event.

Posted by: Silas 16th June 2023, 07:52 AM

Trust me when I say that dish faced c**t and his snivelling faux centerist deputy and their two treasury squatting austerity unleashing gimps fill out the rest of the top 6 along with Farage

Posted by: Silas 16th June 2023, 08:01 AM

We do have an idea tho. Scotland and Wales handled things better within the constraints set upon them by uncaring toffs at Westminster. But also you can see how Peer nations went.


It’s a myth that plays right into tory propaganda to say we can’t know a different government would have done better. We can. We can see for our own eyes how other countries reacted to the same evidence and compare with what Boris chose to do when presented with the same thing. The man went round a covid ward and caught it at least half on purpose because he didn’t think it was serious. I ain’t the biggest fan of Merkel but she at least got how serious it was from the outset and didn’t have to be allegedly in ICU on a Vent in order to get it

Posted by: Smint 16th June 2023, 02:03 PM

Oh quelle surprise! He's getting paid a very high 6 figure salary to write a weekly column for the Daily Heil!

Posted by: Rooney 16th June 2023, 02:52 PM

I think the biggest thing that will come out of the covid enquiry is how willfully ill-prepared we were for a pandemic. That isn't necessarily all on Johnson, but it is on the Conservatives. This led to the PPE mess, Track n Trace car crash and everything else. the latter part of 2020, I suspect was down to johnson and probably the pressures he faced elsewhere though. Pretty clear eat out to help out led to super spreading and there were major external parties influencing policy, certainly in the autumn of 2020.

Posted by: Dobbo. 16th June 2023, 03:22 PM

And when they released thousands of positively-tested people into care homes, spreading it to the most vulnerable.

Posted by: Suedehead2 16th June 2023, 07:02 PM

Another breach of the ministerial code.

Posted by: T Boy 17th June 2023, 08:32 PM

Anyone attempting to defend this is a moron. Get these c**ts out of no.10 now.

Posted by: Suedehead2 17th June 2023, 08:50 PM

If that video shows what we are told it shows, it demonstrates how much contempt these "people" have for the rest of us.

Posted by: neill2407 18th June 2023, 04:35 AM

The video is appalling and demonstrates the Tories didn’t take Covid seriously at all and that’s been a general theme throughout the pandemic. No wonder we ended up with so many deaths as a result. It’s gross incompetence.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 12th July 2023, 08:27 PM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66165001

Latest in Boris reneging on a promise non-shock of the week.

Posted by: Suedehead2 13th July 2023, 08:39 PM

Yeah, but Huw Edwards. This story has been totally ignored.