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 Wild roses - why did it perform so badly on the uk charts?! |
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 29th June 2023, 04:20 AM
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This song just played on YouTube, hence the random post
 Afaik, yes Kylie wasn’t the most hip or popular in the 1995 days and the SAW sound had died - but this was a duet that sounded different, it was with an underground’ish artist with cred, it wasn’t a bubbly Kylie song if you will. So why did it plummet out of the top 20 after a #11 debut? This is one of her few pre Parlo songs to chart better in Oz than in the uk |
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29th June 2023, 06:08 AM
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It's Nick Cave's highest charting and most successful single, so I wouldn't say it did badly...
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29th June 2023, 07:03 AM
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One of my favourite Kylie songs however at the time it was released it wasn’t… her style had changed considerably and she was in her period of declining chart performance.
As for its chart run an 11-21-35 was pretty typical for most songs released at the time - enter high and fade away quickly. With the Australian success - they were much more receptive to this sound from Kylie (CIM went to #1 and the subsequent IP album was more successful in Australia over the UK), plus Nick is a bigger artist there. I think it’s found it’s place as a cult Kylie classic now though with UK fans. |
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29th June 2023, 07:16 AM
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QUOTE(___∆___ @ Jun 29 2023, 07:03 AM)  As for its chart run an 11-21-35 was pretty typical for most songs released at the time - enter high and fade away quickly. Again, it's Nick Cave's most successful single release in the UK - add that "indie" singles usually didn't do that well (well-known complaint at the time was that it was hard for them to "fill" a single since pop acts could do remixes across two cd singles, while "indie" acts had to do b-sides and that usually restricted them to one cd single putting them to a disadvantage). I don't think it did badly. |
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29th June 2023, 07:40 AM
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Fantastic song that did deserve better but thankfully streaming has helped it improve its sales a fair bit over the years. It went top 10 here in Ireland at a time when kylie was doing nothing at all chart wise here which was good. A song that non kylie fans also liked and a real important single for her in terms of where she is now.
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29th June 2023, 08:26 AM
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It should have done better at the time but the years have been very kind and it’s way more well known worldwide now.
It could easily be used in a film or series and it’ll take off even more. 1995 was when CD singles were really beginning to sell but Kylie was in the middle of her credibility phase with deconstruction. The general public still didn’t take her seriously plus Decon were out of their depth. Other dance and indie acts were beginning to sell big but this track sort of fell in between and was overlooked at the time. |
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29th June 2023, 09:06 AM
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I don't really think it performed badly. I mean Kylie wasn't exactly hot property in late 1995 and it's not the most commercial song/collaboration, so #11 is decent all things considered.
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29th June 2023, 10:05 AM
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#11 in 1995 was pretty decent in terms of the sales. For Nick Cave it was huge and for such a drastic style change for Kylie I'd say it was even more of an incentive to wanna experiment with her sound.
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29th June 2023, 11:34 PM
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It's a great song!
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29th June 2023, 11:37 PM
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QUOTE(aeroco @ Jun 29 2023, 09:26 AM) It should have done better at the time but the years have been very kind and it’s way more well known worldwide now. It could easily be used in a film or series and it’ll take off even more. 1995 was when CD singles were really beginning to sell but Kylie was in the middle of her credibility phase with deconstruction. The general public still didn’t take her seriously plus Decon were out of their depth. Other dance and indie acts were beginning to sell big but this track sort of fell in between and was overlooked at the time. It's definitely a song that could be used in a way like Kate Bush running up that hill if it was fitting with the right show. |
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30th June 2023, 10:51 PM
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I remember being disappointed with the chart run at the time. I thought it might go T10 after entering at no11 and was disappointed with the big drop. However, as others have said it was released at a time when Kylie wasn’t popular and this was largely overlooked but since then seems to have developed a keen following. Not sure why it was never included on the first Decon album.
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1st July 2023, 07:57 AM
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QUOTE(neill2407 @ Jun 30 2023, 11:51 PM) I remember being disappointed with the chart run at the time. I thought it might go T10 after entering at no11 and was disappointed with the big drop. However, as others have said it was released at a time when Kylie wasn’t popular and this was largely overlooked but since then seems to have developed a keen following. Not sure why it was never included on the first Decon album. It’s a Nick Cave song written solely by him for his 1996 Murder Ballads album, it would probably could have been included on Impossible Princess if that too had been released in 1996. |
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1st July 2023, 08:43 AM
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I find it odd that If You Were With Me Now made it as high as #4 after the complete (undeserved) floppage of Word Is Out, even odder since it seems to be totally forgotten by both Kylie fans and the gp
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1st July 2023, 09:44 AM
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If you were with me was a great chart reversal after if you were with me now which I still think is a great song, roses is better though.
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1st July 2023, 11:01 AM
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QUOTE(neill2407 @ Jun 30 2023, 11:51 PM) I remember being disappointed with the chart run at the time. I thought it might go T10 after entering at no11 and was disappointed with the big drop. However, as others have said it was released at a time when Kylie wasn’t popular and this was largely overlooked but since then seems to have developed a keen following. Not sure why it was never included on the first Decon album. It would have sounded completely out of place on the first deconstruction album though? |
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1st July 2023, 12:33 PM
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QUOTE(dandy* @ Jul 1 2023, 12:01 PM) It would have sounded completely out of place on the first deconstruction album though? Not really, the reissue includes bonus tracks like nothing can stop us and if you don’t love me and it would fit well with those and dangerous game on the original album. |
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2nd July 2023, 09:53 PM
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Where the Wild Roses Grow is a great song, the pairing of Kylie with Nick Cave was a treat.
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