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JosephBoone
post 11th June 2020, 08:02 AM
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Close to Me by Ellie Goulding and Ocean by Martin Garrix would also have peaked a little higher!
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JulianT
post 13th June 2020, 10:07 AM
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Update for week ending 18/6

Note that for a few older songs I don’t really know where they’d have peaked under this chart as I haven’t rolled it far back enough yet. wink.gif

ACR does spare us some older re-entries, though ironically it’s also boosting Perfect, which on a level playing field would be nowhere near even the Top 50.

The poor week of streaming has given a slight boost to some more sales heavy songs like Memories.

1 1 Rockstar (1)
2 2 Rain on me (1)
3 3 Blinding lights (1)
4 4 Rover (4)
5 7 Breaking me (5)
6 5 Roses (1)
7 8 Death bed (6)
8 10 Dinner guest (8)
9 6 Toosie slide (2)
10 13 Savage (5)
11 9 I dunno (9)
12 12 Dance monkey (1)
13 11 Say so (4)
14 15 Break my heart (7)
15 24 Secrets (15)
16 19 Don’t need love (16)
17 16 Flowers (16)
18 21 Watermelon sugar (18)
19 17 Rain (3)
20 14 Lonely (5)
21 20 Stuck with u (6)
22 18 Don’t start now (2)
23 26 This city (23)
24 33 Party girl (24)
25 30 Before you go (1)
26 25 Blueberry faygo
27 27 Someone you loved (1)
28 28 If the world was ending (20)
29 22 Physical (3)
30 31 Break up song (12)
31 32 Adore you (8)
32 34 Intentions (11)
33 35 Own it (2)
34 44 Gooba (8)
35 36 ILY (35)
36 43 Falling (20)
37 49 Who’s that what’s that (37)
38 48 The box (2)
39 29 Stupid love (7)
40 47 Boyfriend (13)
41 40 Houdini (7)
42 - Life is good (4)
43 46 Don’t rush (?)
44 37 Kings and queens (37)
45 - Bad guy (2)
46 - Boss bitch (35)
47 - Bruises (?)
48 42 Ride it (2)
49 - In your eyes (20)
50 - Memories (?)
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post 20th June 2020, 12:41 PM
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Update for week ending 25/6:

I reckon this would be Blinding lights’ 21st straight week in the Top 3 and Dance monkey’s 40th straight week in the Top 20.

There wouldn’t be 2 good dance tracks climbing into the Top 10 - in fact the Top 10 would be the same 10 tracks as last week.

There would be an Ed Sheeran song hanging around the 40s but it would be I don’t care instead of Perfect.

1 1 Rockstar (1)
2 2 Rain on me (1)
3 3 Blinding lights (1)
4 4 Rover (4)
5 5 Breaking me (5)
6 8 Dinner guest
7 6 Roses (1)
8 10 Savage (5)
9 7 Death bed (6)
10 9 Toosie slide (2)
11 15 Secrets (11)
12 11 I dunno (9)
13 16 Don’t need love (13)
14 18 Watermelon sugar (14)
15 12 Dance monkey (1)
16 - Trollz (16)
17 13 Say so (4)
18 14 Break my heart (7)
19 17 Flowers (16)
20 20 Lonely (5)
21 23 This city (21)
22 22 Don’t start now (2)
23 24 Party girl (23)
24 19 Rain (3)
25 21 Stuck with u (6)
26 43 Don’t rush (26)
27 27 Someone you loved (1)
28 28 If the world was ending (20)
29 25 Before you go (1)
30 26 Blueberry faygo (10)
31 34 Gooba (8)
32 29 Physical (3)
33 - Savage love (33)
34 31 Adore you (8)
35 30 Break up song (12)
36 33 Own it (2)
37 32 Intentions (11)
38 44 Kings and queens (37)
39 35 ILY (35)
40 40 Boyfriend (13)
41 37 Who’s that what’s that (37)
42 38 The box (2)
43 50 Memories (?)
44 42 Life is good (4)
45 - Free 22 (45)
46 48 Ride it (2)
47 - Chicago freestyle (15)
48 - I don’t care (1)
49 - Tequila (26)
50 - Go crazy (50)
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post 20th June 2020, 01:00 PM
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Strange to see that Death Bed, with all its weeks in the Top 5 officially, would have peaked at #6 - means Dance Monkey would have been Top 5 as recently as last month!

Also that Blueberry Faygo would still have managed a Top 10 peak, but Intentions wouldn't despite its 6 weeks there officially.
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post 22nd June 2020, 08:25 AM
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QUOTE(jimwatts @ Jun 20 2020, 02:00 PM) *
Strange to see that Death Bed, with all its weeks in the Top 5 officially, would have peaked at #6 - means Dance Monkey would have been Top 5 as recently as last month!

Also that Blueberry Faygo would still have managed a Top 10 peak, but Intentions wouldn't despite its 6 weeks there officially.


I can't be sure but based on my estimates a combination of Blinding Lights, Roses and Dance Monkey would have kept Death Bed out of the Top 5.

I reckon Intentions would have had an agonising run - something like 12-12-12-14-12-11-11-15. The Box and Before You Go were probably ahead of it but on ACR around its peak weeks, as well as Dance Monkey of course.

On the other hand the week Blueberry Faygo was at 9 officially I think only Dance Monkey would have pushed it down a place so it would have made #10.
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post 28th June 2020, 07:58 AM
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Update for Week Ending 2/7:

I still think Blinding Lights would be #3 and not far off #2.

By my estimates Don’t Need Love and Watermelon Sugar would be entering the Top 10 but frustratingly Secrets would be #11 again, fewer than 100 sales behind #9.

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1 1 Rockstar (1)
2 2 Rain on me (1)
3 3 Blinding lights (1)
4 5 Breaking me (4)
5 33 Savage love (5)
6 4 Rover (4)
7 6 Dinner guest (6)
8 14 Watermelon sugar (8)
9 8 Savage (5)
10 13 Don’t need love (10)
11 11 Secrets (11)
12 7 Roses (1)
13 12 I dunno (9)
14 9 Death bed (6)
15 10 Toosie slide (2)
16 - Burning (16)
17 15 Dance monkey (1)
18 17 Break my heart (7)
19 23 Party girl (19)
20 20 Lonely (5)
21 19 Flowers (16)
22 17 Say so (4)
23 21 This city (21)
24 22 Don’t start now (2)
25 25 Stuck with u (6)
26 26 Don’t rush (26)
27 24 Rain (3)
28 27 Someone you loved (1)
29 38 Kings and queens (29)
30 29 Before you go (1)
31 28 If the world was ending (20)
32 30 Blueberry faygo (10)
33 32 Physical (3)
34 39 ILY (33)
35 31 Gooba (8)
36 34 Adore you (8)
37 36 Own it (2)
38 37 Intentions (11)
39 35 Break up song (12)
40 40 Boyfriend (13)
41 46 Ride it (2)
42 47 Chicago freestyle (15)
43 41 Who’s that what’s that (37)
44 50 Go crazy (44)
45 16 Trollz (16)
46 43 Memories (?)
47 42 The box (2)
48 - Be kind (47)
49 - Midnight (48)
50 49 Tequila (26)
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post 28th June 2020, 12:55 PM
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Breaking Me still being behind Blinding Lights would be frustrating but that's probably just about true for last week.

I actually think Roses would still have been at least #9. It was #7 on audio, #21 on sales and #12 on video, whereas Savage was #10, #19 and #24 respectively - so that would leave Don't Need Love with an #11 peak.

Goes to show that generally the chart looks a lot better with ACR.
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post 1st July 2020, 12:36 AM
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So 'Toosie Slide' only got its week at #1 because of ACR? Damn.
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post 4th July 2020, 12:43 PM
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QUOTE(jimwatts @ Jun 28 2020, 01:55 PM) *
Breaking Me still being behind Blinding Lights would be frustrating but that's probably just about true for last week.

I actually think Roses would still have been at least #9. It was #7 on audio, #21 on sales and #12 on video, whereas Savage was #10, #19 and #24 respectively - so that would leave Don't Need Love with an #11 peak.

Goes to show that generally the chart looks a lot better with ACR.

Possibly - it was all pretty tight between #9 and #17 last week.

I’m still not sure which chart I prefer; this one is more stagnant but I like the purity of it.
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post 4th July 2020, 12:47 PM
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QUOTE(Tawdry Hepburn @ Jul 1 2020, 01:36 AM) *
So 'Toosie Slide' only got its week at #1 because of ACR? Damn.

Not only that but it would have been behind Blinding Lights for the whole of its chart career. Same for Own It vs Dance Monkey.
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post 4th July 2020, 12:53 PM
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Update for week ending 9/7:

Secrets finally gets Top 10 and I also have This City going Top 20 for the first time.

Mr Brightside is very close to the Top 50 as well as Perfect - please can there be more new material soon.

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1 5 Savage love (1)
2 1 Rockstar (1)
3 2 Rain on me (1)
4 3 Blinding lights (1)
5 4 Breaking me (4)
6 6 Rover (4)
7 8 Watermelon sugar (7)
8 11 Secrets (8)
9 7 Dinner guest (6)
10 12 Roses (1)
11 10 Don’t need love (10)
12 9 Savage (5)
13 17 Dance monkey (1)
14 13 I dunno (9)
15 14 Death bed (6)
16 19 Party girl (16)
17 15 Toosie slide (2)
18 21 Flowers (16)
19 18 Break my heart (7)
20 23 This city (20)
21 25 Stuck with u (6)
22 20 Lonely (5)
23 16 Burning (16)
24 28 Someone you loved (1)
25 24 Don’t start now (2)
26 22 Say so (4)
27 29 Kings and queens (27)
28 30 Before you go (1)
29 27 Rain (3)
30 - How you like that (30)
31 32 Blueberry faygo (10)
32 26 Don’t rush (26)
33 31 If the world was ending (20)
34 35 Gooba (8)
35 42 Chicago freestle (15)
36 34 ILY (33)
37 - Whats poppin (37)
38 37 Own it (2)
39 36 Adore you (8)
40 33 Physical (3)
41 - Dancing in the moonlight (41)
42 - Parasite Eve (42)
43 44 Go crazy (44)
44 38 Intentions (11)
45 39 Break up song (12)
46 43 Who’s that what’s that (37)
47 46 Memories (?)
48 49 Midnight (49)
49 40 Boyfriend (13)
50 41 Ride it (2)
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post 11th July 2020, 08:20 AM
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Update for week ending 16/7:

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1 1 Savage love (1)
2 2 Rockstar (1)
3 3 Rain on me (1)
4 4 Blinding lights (1)
5 5 Breaking me (4)
6 6 Rover (4)
7 7 Watermelon sugar (7)
8 - West ten (8)
9 9 Dinner guest (6)
10 - The woo (10)
11 8 Secrets (8)
12 10 Roses (1)
13 11 Don’t need love (10)
14 13 Dance monkey (1)
15 12 Savage (5)
16 14 I dunno (9)
17 - For the night (17)
18 15 Death bed (6)
19 - Head & heart (19)
20 16 Party girl (16)
21 20 This city (20)
22 18 Flowers (16)
23 19 Break my heart (7)
24 17 Toosie slide (2)
25 24 Someone you loved (1)
26 21 Stuck with u (6)
27 27 Kings and queens (27)
28 - Mood swings (28)
29 28 Before you go (1)
30 - Woi (30)
31 25 Don’t start now (2)
32 32 Don’t rush (26)
33 26 Say so (4)
34 22 Lonely (5)
35 - Got it on me (35)
36 41 Dancing in the moonlight (36)
37 29 Rain (3)
38 31 Blueberry faygo (10)
39 43 Go crazy (39)
40 23 Burning (16)
41 37 Whats poppin (37)
42 35 Chicago freestyle (15)
43 36 ILY (33)
44 - Dior (43)
45 33 If the world was ending (20)
46 - Ego death (46)
47 39 Adore you (8)
48 40 Physical (3)
49 38 Own it (2)
50 34 Gooba (8)
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post 18th July 2020, 08:15 AM
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Update for week ending 23/7:

A full half year in the Top 5 for Blinding Lights now.

Juice Wrld would have been denied a Top 10 and Dinner Guest would have been knocked out - I make it 5 extra weeks in the Top 10 that has gained due to ACR now.

1 1 Savage love (1)
2 2 Rockstar (1)
3 19 Head & heart (3)
4 3 Rain on me (1)
5 4 Blinding lights (1)
6 5 Breaking me (4)
7 7 Watermelon sugar (7)
8 6 Rover (4)
9 8 West ten (8)
10 11 Secrets (8)
11 - Come & go (11)
12 9 Dinner guest (6)
13 14 Dance monkey (1)
14 12 Roses (1)
15 - Life’s a mess (15)
16 15 Savage (5)
17 13 Don’t need love (10)
18 10 The woo (10)
19 - Wishing well (19)
20 20 Party girl (16)
21 18 Death bed (6)
22 16 I dunno (9)
23 21 This city (20)
24 - Conversations (24)
25 22 Flowers (16)
26 27 Kings and queens (26)
27 36 Dancing in the moonlight (27)
28 25 Someone you loved (1)
29 24 Toosie slide (2)
30 31 Don’t start now (2)
31 23 Break my heart (7)
32 26 Stuck with u (6)
33 29 Before you go (1)
34 34 Lonely (5)
35 39 Go crazy (35)
36 - Hate the other side (36)
37 32 Don’t rush (26)
38 33 Say so (4)
39 - Righteous (30)
40 37 Rain (3)
41 41 Whats poppin (37)
42 17 For the night (17)
43 38 Blueberry faygo (10)
44 30 Woi (30)
45 - Plain Jane (45)
46 - Heaven on my mind (46)
47 42 Chicago freestyle (15)
48 47 Adore you (8)
49 43 ILY (33)
50 45 If the world was ending (20)

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post 25th July 2020, 07:19 AM
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Update for week ending 30/7:

We’d have a very static Top 10 aside from the change at Number 1, with DJ Khaled missing out entirely. 6 weeks in the Top10 Dinner Guest has gained due to ACR now.

1 3 Head & heart (1)
2 1 Savage love (1)
3 2 Rockstar (1)
4 4 Rain on me (1)
5 5 Blinding lights (1)
6 6 Breaking me (4)
7 7 Watermelon sugar (7)
8 9 West ten (8)
9 8 Rover (4)
10 10 Secrets (8)
11 - Greece (11)
12 - Only you freestyle (12)
13 12 Dinner guest (6)
14 - Popstar (14)
15 13 Dance monkey (1)
16 14 Roses (1)
17 18 The woo (10)
18 11 Come & go (11)
19 35 Go crazy (19)
20 17 Don’t need love (10)
21 16 Savage (5)
22 22 I dunno (9)
23 21 Death bed (6)
24 23 This city (20)
25 20 Party girl (16)
26 19 Wishing well (19)
27 28 Someone you loved (1)
28 27 Dancing in the moonlight (27)
29 25 Flowers (16)
30 30 Don’t start now (2)
31 46 Heaven on my mind (31)
32 29 Toosie slide (2)
33 26 Kings and queens (26)
34 33 Before you go (1)
35 41 Whats poppin (35)
36 34 Lonely (5)
37 31 Break my heart (7)
38 32 Stuck with u (6)
39 38 Say so (4)
40 37 Don’t rush (26)
41 44 Woi (30)
42 40 Rain (3)
43 47 Chicago freestyle (15)
44 43 Blueberry faygo (10)
45 42 For the night (17)
46 - Fake friends (46)
47 49 ILY (33)
48 - Own it (2)
49 15 Life’s a mess (15)
50 48 Adore you (8)

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post 25th July 2020, 08:46 AM
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Thanks for putting these together, I've often wondered what the chart would look like without ACR. May be a stupid question, but are the peaks in brackets what that song achieved without ACR?

I do really kind of wish ACR didn't exist, as slow as the chart would be at least it would be organic. That said, not sure what I would have thought about Mariah being no1 each December.
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post 25th July 2020, 02:22 PM
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QUOTE(Supercell @ Jul 25 2020, 09:46 AM) *
Thanks for putting these together, I've often wondered what the chart would look like without ACR. May be a stupid question, but are the peaks in brackets what that song achieved without ACR?

I do really kind of wish ACR didn't exist, as slow as the chart would be at least it would be organic. That said, not sure what I would have thought about Mariah being no1 each December.

You’re welcome. Yes the brackets show my estimated peaks without ACR.

In some ways I prefer it this way - it does make for lower peaks but they could expand the Top 40 show to a Top 50 or 60 and skip over the really old songs. As for the three track limit - if an artist can generate enough buzz to take over the chart for a week or two I think so be it, though I may be changing my mind after the Taylor takeover next week.

I don’t think I’d have a problem with Mariah taking over every Christmas either. It might actually inspire artists to come up with new Christmas songs to compete.
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post 26th July 2020, 08:45 AM
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Ah ok thank you for clarifying that.

Yeah I get what you mean, I was just starting to get my head around the chart at the start of 2017 and then they brought in ACR which I think creates this faux view of things and hasn't really solved the problem of a slow chart. That said, Ed's domination was rather ridiculous when Divide came out but I think they could have amended that rule to be all official singles and the top streamed album being allowed to chart would have been a better middle ground scenario.

Out of interest, how long would Gaga's Stupid Love have remained in the top 40 for? I'm guessing even without ACR it would have dropped out before Chromatica was released. Also I'm sure the Weekend would have broken a weeks in the top 10 record by now.

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post 26th July 2020, 10:47 PM
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QUOTE(Supercell @ Jul 26 2020, 09:45 AM) *
Ah ok thank you for clarifying that.

Yeah I get what you mean, I was just starting to get my head around the chart at the start of 2017 and then they brought in ACR which I think creates this faux view of things and hasn't really solved the problem of a slow chart. That said, Ed's domination was rather ridiculous when Divide came out but I think they could have amended that rule to be all official singles and the top streamed album being allowed to chart would have been a better middle ground scenario.

Out of interest, how long would Gaga's Stupid Love have remained in the top 40 for? I'm guessing even without ACR it would have dropped out before Chromatica was released. Also I'm sure the Weekend would have broken a weeks in the top 10 record by now.


Stupid Love actually benefitted from ACR - it would have had a slightly shorter run without it and would only have peaked at #7.

Blinding Lights would be on 29 straight weeks in the Top 10 and counting - apparently the record is 35 set in the 1950s but it could get there. Dance Monkey would have done 35 weeks in the Top 10 in total but not consecutively due to Christmas. smile.gif
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Bear in mind that record, in a world without ACR, would have gone to Someone You Loved with a huge 51 non-consecutive weeks in the top 10 - 43 consecutive and only kicked out due to Christmas...!

QUOTE(JosephStyles @ Jul 12 2020, 01:15 AM) *
Side by side, the official chart run on top, the "old rules" chart run below.

NE (22/11/2018) | 100-x-66-29-13-10-09-03-03-01-01-01-01-01-01-01-02-03-04-03-04-03-03-03-03-11-14-10-13-14-19-22-25-23-19-23-21-27-28-24-19-23-18-20-23-25-31-28-26-34-27-38-58-15-07-07-10-09-06-07-06-06-08-10-28-30-36-36-36-37-44-43-37-38-45-47-46-46-42-40-45-...
NE (24/01/2019) | 000-x-00-49-18-12-09-04-03-01-01-01-01-01-01-01-02-03-04-03-04-03-03-03-03-03-04-05-05-08-05-05-06-06-07-09-08-10-09-07-04-05-05-04-04-07-10-08-07-16-13-24-45-06-07-08-11-10-08-09-07-09-11-13-14-13-15-16-16-17-20-21-19-19-24-29-24-26-26-22-24-...

Once again:

1st underline = this was the week it was first on ACR on the official top 100.
2nd underline = this was the week it returned to SCR on the official top 100 after a 25% increase in streams the week before.
3rd underline = this was the week it returned to ACR on the official top 100.
green = would've been top 10 without the Christmas songs above


(from a couple of weeks ago)
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post 27th July 2020, 06:46 PM
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QUOTE(JosephStyles @ Jul 26 2020, 11:50 PM) *
Bear in mind that record, in a world without ACR, would have gone to Someone You Loved with a huge 51 non-consecutive weeks in the top 10 - 43 consecutive and only kicked out due to Christmas...!
(from a couple of weeks ago)

Thanks for that! I haven’t done my estimates for 2019 yet and I knew SYL would have had a very long run but hadn’t realised it would have been virtually the whole year.
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