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 8th February 2022, 08:45 AM
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big news in Canada this has now been going on for 2 and a half weeks. truckers bringing the country to a standstill in protest of vaccine mandates because this is the world we live in now and polluting with blaring horns. Ottawa have declared 'state of emergency' yesterday.
what do Buzzjack's politicos make of this then? |
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8th February 2022, 09:00 AM
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Briefly, I may go into detail more later: It’s a white supremacist movement that’s appropriating workers movements and ‘guvmint bad’ aesthetics.
any legitimate parts of the protest need to kick the fash parts out It may have changed since I saw it but this particular brand of anti-vaccination feeling is some of the dumbest so far, they’re required to be vaccinated to cross borders in their trucks, but America won’t let unvaccinated in anyway so I’m not sure what Canada’s government is supposed to… do, really, unless they’re hiding another land border I don’t know about. |
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8th February 2022, 09:44 AM
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It's just like any anti vaxx protest, full of Q Anon type conspiracy theories obsessed with child abuse smearing and far right types with a warped view of the word "Freedom".
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8th February 2022, 10:50 AM
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thanks for being a sarcy lil bitch
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i wish those people would channel their anger and fear over the uncertainty of current times into something a little bit more productive instead of spreading more fear and creating chaos which is technically called terrorism. just because you have a right to say whatever you want (see, FREEDERRM!!1) doesn't make it tru, deau xx
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8th February 2022, 10:17 PM
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Interesting article about it here. It’s a small minority of truckers but completely bolstered by the far right.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2...nti-vaxx-canada |
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16th February 2022, 08:27 AM
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oh and now Trudeau is unilaterally freezing bank accounts of protesters:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60383385 uh... good it's happening to the fascists rather than a protest for some just cause, but that's some scary precedent you're setting there, "Liberal" Party for the next time there's a workers' rights strike or similar. |
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16th February 2022, 10:45 AM
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It is a tough sanction agreed but it does seem to be an admission that the "We play high, they play low" idea maybe not working for progressives which I have long suspected to be the case. So in one way what does it matter in terms of precedence? These convoys are an imported far right attack on liberal democracie. New Zealand and Jacinta Ardenn affected recently despite their exemplary role on handling the pandemic and France and Holland too now.
It does also indicate that in the UK, even if by some miracle, Starmer's Labpur was able to knock out the Tories either in majority or by coalition in a couple of years, there would be an increasingly lawless, violent far right collective causing more disobedience to this Government (which would even be fairly right wing) on a regular basis cheered on by the media establishment and some Tories. It has now come to the point where this menance are too strong to fade away and there will be inevitably violence and conflict in hithero peaceful Western countries by the end of this decade which will affect all our lives in some way, especially those of minorities. No point putting one's head in the sand and pretend its the noughties anymore. Anyway, that's my cheerful thought for the day. This post has been edited by Smint: 16th February 2022, 10:46 AM |
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16th February 2022, 12:21 PM
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Bear with me here, I don't like the way in which Trudeau's government is invoking an emergency powers act in order to use state violence to quell the protesters. Now, state violence will have to be used if he isn't willing to meet their demands, as he shouldn't be. But emergency powers must be used sparingly, only when the state itself is threatened, not the government and ruling structure that currently sits within it. If they can use it for this, target any citizen involved on a personal financial level, any future government can use it for any other protest movement that they disagree with and yet cannot ignore.
It's all very extralegal, freezing bank accounts and potentially arming a government with whatever power they choose to keep themselves in power. Dealing with far-right groups is one of the few things I'd happily see a country's military be used for (though not lethal force unless threatened themselves) and in this case, softening the effects of the protests by helping the Canadian system survive it. So yeah I do absolutely agree that governments need to be more forceful in dealing with hate groups, but the second-best way to do that is through the already-existing avenues they have as a legal government. The best way is discouraging them from even fermenting in the first place but that's a whole other topic involving finding non-authoritarian ways to deal with demagogues and media that allow these hateful feelings to take root in people. |
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18th February 2022, 12:39 PM
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so apparently Trudeau is literally Hitler according to the gospel of Elon Musk now.
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18th February 2022, 01:13 PM
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QUOTE(Daan @ Feb 18 2022, 12:39 PM)  so apparently Trudeau is literally Hitler according to the gospel of Elon Musk now. Elon can f*** right off (Holocaust comparisons are just going to provoke outrage and cloud actual productive conversation about what this means for protest movements in Canada) but Trudeau definitely has not handled this in a manner that a democratic government should. |
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18th February 2022, 01:22 PM
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Comparing anything to Hitler is the in thing for these brainless far right sheep. Which is ironic as they tend to be the ones against any organisation that promotes racial and other types of equality.
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18th February 2022, 06:18 PM
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Given that musk has a factory in Brandenburg pending building permits that is about as popular with the residents of most of Germany as trump he probably shouldn’t go around invoking Nazis.
I agree with Smint. It’s ironic how fast the literal neo Nazis are in calling other people Hitler and comparing perfectly reasonable things to Nazi era Germany and/or the holocaust |
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19th February 2022, 09:19 AM
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"I demand the right to spread killer diseases across the whole of North America, and I'm going to skweem and skweem and hold my breath till I'm blue in the face to get my way cos nobody else matters."
PS some of the ones getting arrested didn't look like they've been anywhere near a truck in their life. Now, how would truckers feel if protestors against climate change blocked the roads? Would they be supporting them and their right to protest? Would they calmly agree to disagree on their methods and sit quietly? Would they Hell as like. Lorry drivers are not know for vocal support when they start losing money and are inconvenienced by demonstrators (understandably, given the long hours, poor working conditions, tough job etc.). Basically, the people involved can never complain about others exercising their right to protest ever again without coming over as a tad hypocritical. You can't pick and choose what people are free to protest about, though, you either support the principle or you don't. The UK Gov has decided blocking roads to protest about anything should be illegal, so look forward to the next lorry driver blockades in the UK to see what happens. |
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