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post 20th January 2010, 05:39 PM
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Well, considering that we have time to kill until the next contest (well, two weeks to be precise), we may as well use this time wisely to gain your input (and not just on the cheap legislation). Currently, we have a lot of stuff that needs updating/altering and is significantly out of date, so we may as well hold an annual general meeting in this time (assuming people aren't dying to have another spin-off, although we can fit that in seeing as the next contest isn't supposed to finish until March tongue.gif) in which we, the mods, ask for your input on ideas for new rules, alterations to current rules, removal of already existing rules and general clarification etc. SO, the rules as they have generally stood since the beginning of time the BJSC are as follows:

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Countries:

* Anyone wishing to participate must come up with the bare minimum of a country name, capital city and flag, although other details about the country, for example the language are encouraged.

* Before every edition a thread will be made asking people for confirmation of their entry - this is the time you must send your "new country" information to the host, if you're hoping to participate for the first time. However, all countries must confirm their participation each time.

Artists & Songs:

* Artists being used by another country may not be used in the same contest. This includes artists being used in another country's National Final (but may be used once the artist in question has been discounted from selection by the country in question).

* Artists used in the prior contest may not be used for the following contest. This only applies to your entry - the artist may be used in the following contest if they were used by another country in the prior contest.

* Artists who came top 3 in the prior contest may not be used for the following contest.

* Songs may not have taken part in the Eurovision Song Contest, but people are free to send songs which have taken part in national finals for the ESC but did not get selected as ESC entries.

* Songs may be covers [but may not be covers of ESC songs, or covers of songs that have been used already in the contest].

* Songs can be in any language.

* Countries may use a "national final" or an "internal selection" to choose their entries.

* Songs can have been released at any time.

* Songs may not have been used in previous contests, however they may have been used in previous National Finals, but only if unsuccessful.

* NB: Although you can enter any song you like (provided it hasn't already been entered for Eurovision before) it's far far better if you don't choose something that everyone will already know. Part of the fun of this contest is discovering new music! biggrin.gif

Hosting:

* The right to host goes automatically to the winner of the previous edition. If for any reason the previous winner cannot, or does not want to, host, then the right falls to the second placed, then the third, the fourth, and so on. The host is expected to take care of the song presentation and the presentation of the results, as well as collecting the songs and votes in the first place.

Voting:

* The nations must PM their points to the organizing country. These points are: 12, 10, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 and 1 point.

* If a country does not submit its votes on time, it will have 33% taken away from its score

* Eliminated semi finalists must vote in the final if they expect to participate next time, and prequalified finalists must vote in the semi final, otherwise they will be removed from the final.

* Revealing your votes before they are officially announced is not allowed.

* Making 'deals' with other countries (example - swapping votes) is not allowed.

Punishment:

* Infringing any of these rules will lead to disqualification from the current and following contest as well as a retraction of any votes given by the offending nation if any.


The agenda for this thread, which will remain open until Sunday 7th of February (or possibly earlier, depending on how quickly everything gets sorted), is as follows:

- Legislation against uninspired entries
- Reviewing of current rules/additions/removals
- Crafting of the new country registration thread, set to re-open after the AGM
- General suggestions

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Chris.
post 20th January 2010, 05:43 PM
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-legislation of uninspired entry.

here is an idea:

people can 'challenge' someone else's entry (if it is uninspired) and then either the mods can decided wether or not it should be allowed (maybe some critiera created) or if x many people agree it is uninspired. criteria could include things such as is it likely to be a high entry in the UK chart, is it typical female pop? (or Lady GaGa style etc).
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post 20th January 2010, 05:47 PM
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Very good idea smile.gif

(This thread I mean)
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post 20th January 2010, 06:41 PM
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I was wondering if there could be an MP3 rule added, or at least a suggestion. It might be a good idea to PM the host a download link to your song when you confirm. Then the host can download and upload them. It'd save Pavel a job and give the host no excuse not to make a recap. Plus the sender would be responsible for the quality of their song in the recap and the MP3s.

I guess that wouldn't suit every host though, but I was thinking of asking people to do that in XXIV anyway.
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post 20th January 2010, 06:42 PM
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QUOTE(AaronTM @ Jan 20 2010, 06:41 PM) *
I was wondering if there could be an MP3 rule added, or at least a suggestion. It might be a good idea to PM the host a download link to your song when you confirm. Then the host can download and upload them. It'd save Pavel a job and give the host no excuse not to make a recap. Plus the sender would be responsible for the quality of their song in the recap and the MP3s.

I guess that wouldn't suit every host though, but I was thinking of asking people to do that in XXIV anyway.


forcing people to break the law...

erm, cheers for sharing aaron.
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post 20th January 2010, 06:46 PM
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- Legislation against uninspired entries
I'm under the impression that the proposed rule would ban a song which is in the a-list or whatever for the amount of time it is in said list, and therefore would be unbanned when it falls out of the charts? If so, then yeah, I like that. I know I was initially against a ban, but temporary bans are ok, right?

- Reviewing of current rules/additions/removals
I think this rule needs to be reviewed: Artists used in the prior contest may not be used for the following contest. This only applies to your entry - the artist may be used in the following contest if they were used by another country in the prior contest. Does it really matter if a person sends the same artist twice? I know it's small and trivial, but it would make a difference, especially to less-known artists.

- Crafting of the new country registration thread, set to re-open after the AGM
Perhaps let a maximum number of people sign up per month? PAR EXAMPLE, in February a total of three new countries can sign up. This would stop the contest from overcrowding because the chances are one new country will drop out because they signed-up on impulse. Or just have an open registration and maybe have a participant rotation table? Like, X can perform in the next three contests but must take a one contest gap to facilitate a new country, Y can then perform for one content to see if they like it and then if they do, you could have other countries on rotation? You could make rotation optional. I would be more than happy to opt-out of one contest every three contests or whatever. smile.gif

- General suggestions
Creating a poll when proposing new rules to avoid the occasional BJSC riot. tongue.gif
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post 20th January 2010, 06:46 PM
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QUOTE(Christopher. @ Jan 20 2010, 06:42 PM) *
forcing people to break the law...

erm, cheers for sharing aaron.

Meh, how many people here have never downloaded/uploaded something they shouldn't have? You're hardly one to talk.
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post 20th January 2010, 06:58 PM
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QUOTE(Cal @ Jan 20 2010, 06:46 PM) *
- Reviewing of current rules/additions/removals
I think this rule needs to be reviewed: Artists used in the prior contest may not be used for the following contest. This only applies to your entry - the artist may be used in the following contest if they were used by another country in the prior contest. Does it really matter if a person sends the same artist twice? I know it's small and trivial, but it would make a difference, especially to less-known artists.
IMO that is one rule that very much needs to stay. No matter how much it pissed me off in II.
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post 20th January 2010, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE(AaronTM @ Jan 20 2010, 06:46 PM) *
Meh, how many people here have never downloaded/uploaded something they shouldn't have? You're hardly one to talk.


im sorry where does my view on illegal fileshairng/how much i do so come into it?

if you must reply to my statement, reply to my actual statement, people shouldnt be forced to break the law.
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post 20th January 2010, 07:14 PM
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QUOTE(Silas Gleek @ Jan 20 2010, 06:58 PM) *
IMO that is one rule that very much needs to stay. No matter how much it pissed me off in II.


Why does it particularly need to stay? It always seemed a bit pointless to me.
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post 20th January 2010, 07:16 PM
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QUOTE(Christopher. @ Jan 20 2010, 07:00 PM) *
im sorry where does my view on illegal fileshairng/how much i do so come into it?

if you must reply to my statement, reply to my actual statement, people shouldnt be forced to break the law.

Ok.
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post 20th January 2010, 07:18 PM
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having to upload 45 songs onto a server really doesn't sound like something I would want to do either, not for legal reasons, but because uploading large files like these mucks up my internet for hours laugh.gif it's kind of Pavel to do it but it shouldn't have to be a pre-requisite for the contest - if people like the songs that they hear they can search for the MP3's themselves, or send a PM to the person sending it and ask if they have an MP3 they're willing to share
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post 20th January 2010, 08:00 PM
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I did not spot this early but as I posted more or less in the Urgent Mod Announcement Thread an hour ago:

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Here is what could be used:

You could have it where the host nation announces the day of nominations and then posters have a 24/48 Hour block to nominate (and here is the controversial bit) just one act and song to be entered (first come (PM'd) first served with the nomination).

But if say three, five or more countries nominate the same artist/act and song, then that entry cannot be used for obvious reasons due to so many posters wanting the same entry then it clearly falls foul of one of the issues this whole thread has been discussing due to the same posters unwittingly proving it is an uninspired selection.

Then after this 24/48 Hour period the host could announce the artist/songs entered (and if applicable what artist/song has become banned for the contest), and those who have missed out will have time to nominate another entry (maybe having a second & third choice to minimise further duplications) taking into account that already 20+ entries have been selected which they can no longer select as their entry.
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post 20th January 2010, 08:04 PM
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I would throw my weight fully behind Rich's proposal - sounds fairer and less controversial than banning all of the charts/playlists etc... + a new way of doing things would make things a bit more exciting again
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post 20th January 2010, 08:09 PM
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I would be quite interested to try out Rich's idea too.

It would freshen up the contest without having to introduce a ton of regulations about banning things, although obviously I'd not mind too much if the Top 40 etc was still banned.


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post 20th January 2010, 08:12 PM
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I'd go with that too..
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post 20th January 2010, 08:12 PM
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I shall continue doing mp3's anyway unless i quit/go on holiday/have an emergency situation so it's probably the least of problems BJSC has at the moment. The host might do these things by themselves as well though, you only need decent internet speed and two freeware programs installed, one of which is an add-on for Mozilla Firefox (this one for downloading vids in the best quality possible). Plus it wouldn't take much time downloading/converting videos as soon as country confirms it otherwise you would spend three good hours doing all this job. Without the uploading part which is the most pleasant one btw kink.gif
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post 20th January 2010, 08:18 PM
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QUOTE(RabbitFurCoat @ Jan 20 2010, 11:12 PM) *
I'd go with that too..

This.

However, not so many people are so involved in this contest and are really caring about it... the problem is that we will need people to first fully understand the concept of this new idea (if it's going to be tried out of course) before starting anything.

This is the good idea though. It's adding some spark into the ordinary state of things we've been having for the last contests.
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post 20th January 2010, 08:21 PM
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i like Rich's idea, but what if someone isnt online during those 48 hours, do they miss out totally?
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post 20th January 2010, 08:22 PM
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The only variation with my proposal would be what about the availability of new albums by popular BJ friendly artists unless we agree in advance that certain acts should be out of bounds ....

... because for example for BJSC_24: we could get seven different Glee songs nominated but none are duplicated so under my suggestion the first nomination would win; and in the very near future we will have the same problem with the Sugababes and Christina Aguilera.
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