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 Brexit II: This Time It's Irreversible, All the trade talks and future relationship bits |
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 16th June 2021, 08:19 PM
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What gets me about this site is that if this was a Labour deal with the Aussies you lot would praise it as the best thing since sliced bread. Forget it's a Tory/Boris deal and look at it with unblinkered eyes.
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16th June 2021, 08:56 PM
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Radical Pink Troll
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QUOTE(common sense @ Jun 16 2021, 09:19 PM)  What gets me about this site is that if this was a Labour deal with the Aussies you lot would praise it as the best thing since sliced bread. Forget it's a Tory/Boris deal and look at it with unblinkered eyes. No we wouldn’t. Most of us didn’t want new deals. We were happy in the EU. |
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16th June 2021, 08:56 PM
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QUOTE(common sense @ Jun 16 2021, 09:19 PM) What gets me about this site is that if this was a Labour deal with the Aussies you lot would praise it as the best thing since sliced bread. Forget it's a Tory/Boris deal and look at it with unblinkered eyes. I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I can say confidently that I would have described it as a rubbish deal whoever negotiated it. Perhaps you could remove your blinkers and look at it objectively. You could start by addressing the reasons why we think it is a very poor deal. |
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16th June 2021, 08:59 PM
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QUOTE(common sense @ Jun 16 2021, 10:19 PM) What gets me about this site is that if this was a Labour deal with the Aussies you lot would praise it as the best thing since sliced bread. Forget it's a Tory/Boris deal and look at it with unblinkered eyes. Nicola Sturgeon could be sat at my dining room table telling me about this deal she’d negotiated (in a universe where this was a nationalist trade deal) and I’d tell her to her face it was a bag of shite. That’s hypothetical of course because she wouldn’t ever negotiate such a useless piece of shit deal that’s worth less than the paper it was printed on. |
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17th June 2021, 04:19 PM
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Right in front of my salad?!
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QUOTE(common sense @ Jun 16 2021, 09:19 PM) What gets me about this site is that if this was a Labour deal with the Aussies you lot would praise it as the best thing since sliced bread. Forget it's a Tory/Boris deal and look at it with unblinkered eyes. You are calling us out as blinkered?! !!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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17th June 2021, 04:37 PM
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QUOTE(common sense @ Jun 16 2021, 08:19 PM) What gets me about this site is that if this was a Labour deal with the Aussies you lot would praise it as the best thing since sliced bread. Forget it's a Tory/Boris deal and look at it with unblinkered eyes. Definitely no criticism about Labour from anyone on this forum recently or ever. |
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17th June 2021, 10:26 PM
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QUOTE(T Boy @ Jun 16 2021, 07:10 PM) Yes, I’m sure Liz Truss would be completely and openly honest about such a government failure, so it must be a great deal. 
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17th June 2021, 10:38 PM
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Shakin Stevens
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It’s simply important to look at the figures - in 2019 Britain exported 12bn worth of goods and services to Australia which will likely grow with the deal but in the same year it exported 294bn to the EU which will be affected by brexit.
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23rd June 2021, 07:02 PM
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Howdy, disco citizens
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Happy 5th Anniversary of the Brexit vote.
A great day for O2 to inform me that they are re-introducing roaming charges outside the UK if you use more than 25GB of data whilst abroad (£3.50 per 1GB above that limit). Those with a long memory will remember that it was the worry about roaming charges being introducing due to living on an island where you're likely to inadvertently find yourself crossing into another jurisdiction was one of the things that made me vote "Remain" in the end. I doubt I'd go over the 25GB limit even if I was roaming, but it does leave a sour taste, and it could be the start of bringing them back regardless of how much data is used. |
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23rd June 2021, 07:33 PM
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In a way covid has masked (pardon the pun) somewhat the terrible outcomes of Brexit yet to come apart from in Northern Ireland but things will be getting gradually worse. My fear which is turning out to be true is that the forces and feelings behind Brexit will go even more for the flag shagging/culture war road.
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23rd June 2021, 11:28 PM
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Shakin Stevens
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QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Jun 23 2021, 08:02 PM) Happy 5th Anniversary of the Brexit vote. A great day for O2 to inform me that they are re-introducing roaming charges outside the UK if you use more than 25GB of data whilst abroad (£3.50 per 1GB above that limit). Those with a long memory will remember that it was the worry about roaming charges being introducing due to living on an island where you're likely to inadvertently find yourself crossing into another jurisdiction was one of the things that made me vote "Remain" in the end. I doubt I'd go over the 25GB limit even if I was roaming, but it does leave a sour taste, and it could be the start of bringing them back regardless of how much data is used. Don’t you live in Belfast 🤔? |
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24th June 2021, 07:45 AM
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Howdy, disco citizens
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QUOTE(steve201 @ Jun 24 2021, 12:28 AM) Don’t you live in Belfast 🤔? I do, but I do travel to border towns every now and again (where it's easy to cross over to O2 Ireland even if you haven't crossed the border), plus I intend to travel down-South more regularly once "the event" fully subsides. |
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24th June 2021, 09:10 AM
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Shakin Stevens
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I’m from south down so depending what side of the mountains your on it can be a nightmare!
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24th June 2021, 09:17 AM
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QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Jun 23 2021, 07:02 PM) Happy 5th Anniversary of the Brexit vote. A great day for O2 to inform me that they are re-introducing roaming charges outside the UK if you use more than 25GB of data whilst abroad (£3.50 per 1GB above that limit). Those with a long memory will remember that it was the worry about roaming charges being introducing due to living on an island where you're likely to inadvertently find yourself crossing into another jurisdiction was one of the things that made me vote "Remain" in the end. I doubt I'd go over the 25GB limit even if I was roaming, but it does leave a sour taste, and it could be the start of bringing them back regardless of how much data is used. I'm sure that 25GB of data limit will absolutely not lower in the near future. |
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24th June 2021, 12:10 PM
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QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Jun 23 2021, 08:02 PM) Happy 5th Anniversary of the Brexit vote. A great day for O2 to inform me that they are re-introducing roaming charges outside the UK if you use more than 25GB of data whilst abroad (£3.50 per 1GB above that limit). Those with a long memory will remember that it was the worry about roaming charges being introducing due to living on an island where you're likely to inadvertently find yourself crossing into another jurisdiction was one of the things that made me vote "Remain" in the end. I doubt I'd go over the 25GB limit even if I was roaming, but it does leave a sour taste, and it could be the start of bringing them back regardless of how much data is used. To the surprise of precisely nobody, EE have now joined in. How long have I got to switch network in protest before the others join in anyway? |
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24th June 2021, 12:21 PM
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Three introduced fair use caps before Brexit and the EU cap is more generous than the non-EU cap (30gb vs 12gb is memory serves)
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24th June 2021, 01:10 PM
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 there's nothing straight about plump Elvis
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QUOTE(common sense @ Jun 16 2021, 09:19 PM) What gets me about this site is that if this was a Labour deal with the Aussies you lot would praise it as the best thing since sliced bread. Forget it's a Tory/Boris deal and look at it with unblinkered eyes. I kind of think this is a bit projection, with respect Chris. It tends to be rightwing people that are more tribal and will even go out of their way to do things to hurt 'the other side' even if they hurt themselves too. Looking at it with unblinkered eyes, the gain is small compared to not having it outside of the EU, and the gain compared to the gain of staying in the EU is dwarfed. |
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24th June 2021, 02:03 PM
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Shakin Stevens
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QUOTE(blacksquare @ Jun 24 2021, 10:17 AM) I'm sure that 25GB of data limit will absolutely not lower in the near future. Wonder if the NI Protocol will effect its introduction in NI? |
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24th June 2021, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE(J00prstar @ Jun 24 2021, 02:10 PM) I kind of think this is a bit projection, with respect Chris. It tends to be rightwing people that are more tribal and will even go out of their way to do things to hurt 'the other side' even if they hurt themselves too. Looking at it with unblinkered eyes, the gain is small compared to not having it outside of the EU, and the gain compared to the gain of staying in the EU is dwarfed. Just look at the number of Leave supporters who gloat about the number of Guardian readers who are still angry about B****t. It isn't hard to imagine the response of those same people if the only reason some could think of to support a particular Labour policy was that it upset Daily Mail readers. |
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2nd July 2021, 08:53 PM
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Boris Johnson's EU deal has come under attack again. From Boris Johnson.
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