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Posted by: Liаm 29th April 2018, 01:55 AM

Alexis Mateo said on a live stream All Stars 4 is filming now..... We really don't need All Stars every year so I'm not sure how I feel about that I think they want to just milk the show while it's popular, there are lots of queens still to pool so I guess 2 seasons a year can't be *so* bad. AS3's problem wasn't being so close to AS2 anyway, it was the actual way the series transpired.

She could just be trolling or joking idk, there's also Dragcon which seems like odd timing. I thought I'd slip it in here rather than a whole new thread.

Posted by: Envoirment 29th April 2018, 08:55 PM

QUOTE(Liаm @ Apr 29 2018, 02:55 AM)

Alexis Mateo said on a live stream All Stars 4 is filming now..... We really don't need All Stars every year so I'm not sure how I feel about that I think they want to just milk the show while it's popular, there are lots of queens still to pool so I guess 2 seasons a year can't be *so* bad. AS3's problem wasn't being so close to AS2 anyway, it was the actual way the series transpired.

She could just be trolling or joking idk, there's also Dragcon which seems like odd timing. I thought I'd slip it in here rather than a whole new thread.

Posted by: Joe. 1st May 2018, 10:40 AM

I think they're casting for it and it's filming after Drag Con.

If they can get Valentina, Shea, Trinity Taylor, Nina and some of the strong runners up from S10 I think it'll be excellent. Also they need to get rid of the stupid twists.

Posted by: ElectroBoy 1st May 2018, 10:42 AM

I actually hope they go for Queens who had early exits for AS4 as I think it would be interesting to see what they could bring now.

But definitely think the twists should go... well any jury vote twist that for sure!

Posted by: RobBob 1st May 2018, 10:56 AM

I want them to just WAIT until after Season 12 so they’ve got a really good arsenal of queens to work from. The Olympic every 4 years treatment was perfect, now they’re trying too hard to strike while the iron’s hot, winding up with a B-list cast and trying to do the most to emulate All Stars 2.

Part of why All Stars 2 worked was down to the four year gap imo. I also agree about the twists needing to go though, the fight just isn’t there for the lip syncs and therefore many fall flat. Imagine Aja fighting Shangela to the death in Episode 5 or the potential lip syncs we could’ve got out of Chi Chi.

Posted by: Liаm 1st May 2018, 11:15 AM

I'd LOVE a RuDemption series but there's so many from Season 9 and 10 who should get the chance too (no matter who wins Season 10, there's potential for like 3 or 4 to be on AS4). Idk if I'd rather wait for a proper RuDemption season for a lot of the early outs to be on, even the ones who've improved and have a lot of potential probably won't get a look in with a cast that has potentially the likes of Trinity, Shea and Valentina, plus the season 10 frontrunners. It's gonna feel like they are just filling spaces with easy first eliminations a bit.

Posted by: LexC 1st May 2018, 11:47 AM

Yeah this really feels like VH1 trying to milk as much out of the show while it can. As much as you could basically do the whole thing consisting of the runner ups from Series 9 & 10 plus some randomers from the earlier series like Ongina, having basically everyone who's ever placed in the top 5 ever being on All Stars at some point really dulls the "best of the best" element that 'All Stars' ought to have.

Posted by: ElectroBoy 1st May 2018, 12:14 PM

QUOTE(LexC @ May 1 2018, 12:47 PM)

Posted by: Liаm 8th June 2018, 04:05 PM

AS4 cast is supposedly (take with a tonne of salt obv but this seems legit tbh):

----Naomi----
----Ongina----
----Shea----
----The Vixen (lol)----
----Trinity----
----Valentina----
----Miz Cracker----
----Manila----
----Latrice----
Plus maybe Kim Chi and Pearl, the former is apparently in negotiations because Naomi is on and obv they're bffs, and Pearl is apparently more keen following Dragcon.


I'm SO excited if Manila is true, they can fill the rest of the cast with shit as far as I'm concerned if she gets another chance!!!

Posted by: Joe. 8th June 2018, 04:56 PM

Good cast teebs

Posted by: ElectroBoy 8th June 2018, 06:08 PM

Good ish but I’d still prefer a series with queens who had early exits etc we think it would be more interesting

Posted by: Joe. 8th June 2018, 07:07 PM

I think it’s pretty stacked. There’s about 5 people there I’d be happy to see win.

Posted by: Liаm 11th June 2018, 11:47 PM

A more solid AS4 cast rumour is also out (thanks to some Nancy Drewing based on tour dates, as filming is apparently July):

Monet X Change - cancelled a gig and got replaced by Shea who declined AS4
Valentina
Naomi Smalls - free of gigs from June 23rd
Trinity - schedule after June is clear
Mariah - schedule after July 1st is clear, plus with the WoW presence she had I'd be v surprised if she wasn't in!
Ongina - schedule clear after July 1st
Blair St. Clair - gap in an otherwise packed schedule
Latrice
Manila - last show July 1st, apparently the producers wanted to give her and Latrice another chance thanks to the AS1 pairs fiasco

Ivy, Darienne and Farrah are potentially other queens on it. Unfortunately Miz Cracker seems to not be true as she is booked solid for July

QUOTE(LexC @ Jun 11 2018, 07:44 PM)

Posted by: Liаm 14th June 2018, 06:05 PM

OMGGG AS4 GETS BETTER GIA IS APPARENTLY DOING IT

Posted by: Lindsey 🙃 14th June 2018, 08:27 PM

NO WAY!!!!!!!!! HERE FOR IT !!!!!

Posted by: Liаm 19th June 2018, 05:21 PM

Latest rumour is Rebecca Glasscock

Posted by: Regina 19th June 2018, 07:00 PM

That'd be an epic car crash and totally iconic.

Posted by: Martyn 19th June 2018, 08:45 PM

Would be a good villain moment.

Posted by: Liаm 20th June 2018, 05:50 PM

Another cast rumour, this is a source who got a lot of Season 10 tea correct

Monet--
Monique--------
Trinity--------
Farrah--------
Valentina----
Naomi---
Joslyn----
---Gia-----
Latrice-----
Manila----
Jessica Wild----

Mostly great but some odd picks, hmm perhaps there were negotiations that fell through for some earlier names

Posted by: Cucumberella 20th June 2018, 07:15 PM

MONIQUE!!!!

Posted by: Regina 20th June 2018, 07:50 PM

There are a few names cropping up over and over which I am excited to see.

Posted by: Conderella 21st June 2018, 06:59 PM

QUOTE(Cucumberella @ Jun 20 2018, 10:15 PM)

Posted by: Lindsey 🙃 22nd June 2018, 01:31 PM

So here for Gia and Joselyn tho!!!

Posted by: Davidson 22nd June 2018, 01:34 PM

Some rumours are now suggesting that it is Acid Betty rather than Farrah

Posted by: Jack 22nd June 2018, 01:35 PM

QUOTE(Davidson @ Jun 22 2018, 02:34 PM)

Posted by: Liаm 22nd June 2018, 01:36 PM

Nooooooooo but I can see that because of filling the villain role Although they've got Rebecca Glasscock idk

Posted by: Lindsey 🙃 28th June 2018, 08:59 PM

idk, Farrah seems more likely I can see her doing an Aja and going from a messy season 9 girl to someone really artistic and polished. Even in the reunion of her season she seemed to have emproved from earlier on in her season ,

Posted by: Liаm 12th July 2018, 09:27 PM

Filming has started and the line-up is supposedly...

Naomi Smalls
Kim Chi (probs the most surprising one but spotted in LA and apparently was convinced as her bestie Naomi is doing it)
Gia Gunn (seems legit they'd want her after she's shown herself to have improved SO much on The Switch aka Chile Drag Race, looks like she could win that)
Trinity Taylor
Farrah Moan
Monet X Change
Monique Heart
Latrice Royale
Manila Luzon

Love all of those to different degreesso I hope it's true, that'd be a bloody fab All Stars!

Posted by: Martyn 14th July 2018, 06:59 PM

QUOTE(Liаm @ Jul 12 2018, 10:27 PM)

Posted by: LexC 15th July 2018, 06:41 PM

Another source seems to be confirming that Joslyn Fox and JASMINE MASTERS are also in the cast!

Posted by: Liаm 15th July 2018, 06:44 PM

LMAOOO PLEASE f***ING IMAGINE

Posted by: Oliver 15th July 2018, 08:47 PM

Yeah I've seen the Jasmine Masters spoiler; apparently she's been quiet on social media since the filming started.

I thought though that Joslyn Fox was as confirmed as the rest of the list Liam provided, had something changed (especially since I thought she was more "confirmed" than Kim Chi)?

Posted by: Envoirment 15th July 2018, 09:04 PM

It'll be a great line up if even half of the cast rumours are true. Really excited for early-mid 2019 as we'll likely be getting S11 and AS4 back to back like with AS3/S10.

Posted by: Liаm 17th July 2018, 02:28 PM

The talent show has been filmed so audience members have tea that the cast above is correct but no Joslyn or Kim, Jasmine is in though. It could be that the Reddit leak didn't mention all contestants but idk why they wouldn't. Obviously take with a pinch of salt but hype if true!

Posted by: ElectroBoy 17th July 2018, 03:05 PM

QUOTE(Liаm @ Jul 17 2018, 03:28 PM)

Posted by: Theo. 22nd August 2018, 10:36 PM

Michelle has confirmed season 4 on Instagram! 😍 https://www.instagram.com/p/BmzECq0n1gU/

Posted by: Theo. 31st October 2018, 10:31 AM

-----------Valentina seems to be the first confirmed Queen for this season! One of the best of her season so I'm really excited to see what she brings.

https://metro.co.uk/2018/10/30/the-first-rupauls-drag-race-all-stars-4-queen-appears-to-have-been-confirmed-8089621/

Could the posts regarding AS4 in this thread be split into a new thread now that we have more concrete evidence?

Posted by: ElectroBoy 31st October 2018, 11:46 AM

I hope S4 doesn't have the stupid twists that the last series had. The show just doesn't need it.

Posted by: Theo. 7th November 2018, 05:33 PM

Trixie, Detox and Katya are ru-vealing the cast TOMORROW! 😩

Posted by: Theo. 8th November 2018, 04:34 PM

Ruveal happening below from 5pm:



Or not... they've rescheduled to tomorrow at 3pm GMT due to the shooting in L.A. yesterday.

Posted by: cantthinkofaname 9th November 2018, 10:59 AM

Dream cast of 12 for me would be something like:

Willam (S4)
Ivy Winters (S5)
Adore Delano (S6)
Courtney Act (S6)
Pearl (S7)
Kim Chi (S8)
Naomi Smalls (S8)
Trinity Taylor (S9)
Valentina (S9)
Shea Couleé (S9)
Monique Heart (S10)
Blair St. Clair (S10)

Only repeat being Adore since she quit but I feel like she could have brought more to an AS season.

Posted by: Liаm 9th November 2018, 02:15 PM

EW has revealed the cast, and it is indeed:

Monet
Latrice
Trinity
Farrah
Valentina
Monique
Jasmine
Naomi
Gia
Manila

Posted by: Conderella 9th November 2018, 02:19 PM

Top 2 reserved for Monique and Jasmine already x

Posted by: Liаm 9th November 2018, 02:27 PM

Manila is easily the one to beat

Posted by: ElectroBoy 9th November 2018, 02:32 PM

Yeah has to be Manila's to lose really.

Although here for Farrrah showing what she can do this time around, bit like Aja who I think did great last series compared to her first stint.

Good mix though this time of some Queens who weren't that successful 1st time around which I think is good to see

Posted by: cantthinkofaname 9th November 2018, 02:48 PM

Trinity for the win *.*

Posted by: HarryEzra 9th November 2018, 03:04 PM

Can I just say I love the photoshoots for this season.

So many favourites of mine but I'm rooting for Trinity

Posted by: Theo. 9th November 2018, 04:48 PM

LOVE the lineup! Some really inspired choices - Naomi, Farrah and Gia being surprises for me! Only queen I'm not bothered about is Jasmine but she seems to have a following on here.

Valentina for the win

Edit: This starts December 14th according to Manila's Instagram?!

Posted by: HarryEzra 9th November 2018, 06:05 PM

QUOTE(Theo. @ Nov 9 2018, 04:48 PM)

LOVE the lineup! Some really inspired choices - Naomi, Farrah and Gia being surprises for me! Only queen I'm not bothered about is Jasmine but she seems to have a following on here.

Valentina for the win

Edit: This starts December 14th according to Manila's Instagram?!

Posted by: Theo. 12th November 2018, 04:09 PM

RuPaul has revealed that there will be another twist this season:

"I think it will shock fans, although I don't think they'll be as disappointed. We always try to do something fresh and interesting, and sometimes it turns out in a way that you don't really expect."

Posted by: Wasabi. 12th November 2018, 04:24 PM

Valentina for the win!

Or Trinity! Or Monique! Or Monet! Or Manila tbh.

I've always said, despite being one of the most infectious personalities, Latrice isn't very good at Drag Race, but seriously, her VT was just soooo funny, I love her so much, keep her to the finale for talking heads alone!

The VTs were largely boring though, I thought Valentina, Monique and Lactrice's were the funnest to watch. When Val said "Girl, I'm a mess". Ha!

Posted by: Liаm 12th November 2018, 04:34 PM

Anyone but Valentina to win, I kinda feel like she's going to though I hope the "shock" is that All Stars just uses the normal format, seeing as Ru says we don't be disappointed. We just come to expect that All Stars has some stupid twist so perhaps the shock is that they don't

Posted by: ElectroBoy 12th November 2018, 05:28 PM

The interview seemed to indicate that eliminated Queen jury didn’t work as expected - then why have it at all?

At least Ru has basically said it was crap and didn’t work

Posted by: blacksquare 12th November 2018, 05:29 PM

I'm really hoping the meddling isn't out of hand this time. It's actually funny how much stronger the lineup is than AS3 though. So many potential winners!

Posted by: Theo. 12th November 2018, 08:50 PM

Trailer *.*

https://www.facebook.com/31772462827/posts/10155922091527828/

Posted by: ElectroBoy 12th November 2018, 09:08 PM

Oooh December 14th!? wasn't expecting it until after Christmas

Posted by: Theo. 12th November 2018, 09:56 PM

The guest judges have been announced!

Jenifer Lewis
Ciara
Kacey Musgraves
Gus Kenworthy
Keiynan Lonsdale
Zoë Kravitz
Rita Ora
Yvette Nicole Brown
Cecily Strong
Susanne Bartsch
Frances Bean Cobain
Felicity Huffan
Jason Wu
Erica Ash
Ellen Pompeo

I can't wait for Ciara, Cecily, Gus and of course RITA! They better lipsync to one of her songs.

Posted by: Jack 12th November 2018, 10:36 PM

Yassss Ciara, I need a Ciara lip sync to 'Level Up'

Posted by: Liаm 12th November 2018, 10:48 PM

KACEY MUSGRAVES!!!!! DEAD

also hyped for Ciara and Felicity Huffman (PLEASE say she's judging for a Desperate Housewives themed acting challenge omg), Gus Kenworthy is a no tho

Posted by: Liаm 13th November 2018, 12:15 AM

Also re: the jury twist, I don't think Ru banked on the eliminated queens being quite so bitter, tbh I didn't either! Whilst there's always drama and bitching, I expected that they would still respect which queens had the talent to be in the top 2, and earned their spot. Especially DeLa who didn't even get eliminated by Shangela anyway

Posted by: cantthinkofaname 13th November 2018, 09:53 AM

QUOTE(Liаm @ Nov 12 2018, 10:48 PM)

Posted by: Liаm 13th November 2018, 12:18 PM

Omg best lipsync ever confirmed

Posted by: HarryEzra 13th November 2018, 12:54 PM

Omg Ciara, Kacey, Rita, Gus and Ellen!!!!

Posted by: Liаm 16th November 2018, 05:53 PM

Apparently (this is just about the format of eliminations, but I'll spoiler anyway just in case) it's still the lipsync for the legacy format.

Posted by: Cucumberella 17th November 2018, 01:03 AM

jenifer lewis is a HELL of a score but considering her and shangela are besties / she was portrayed on snatch game it makes sense.

quite surprised at kacey musgraves!! not like drag race to be so on the ball with trends. SO excited for cecily, and omg susanne bartsch !!!!!

Posted by: Wreatheo 8th December 2018, 11:24 PM

Full trailer premiered last night - warning: it's spoiler-heavy and confirms All Star rules are temporarily suspended

Posted by: LexC 9th December 2018, 02:17 PM

OMG can we also talk about the messy af promo segment where I think you can really tell who made the top 5 and who didn't



Monique screaming is my new text tone!

Posted by: Jack 9th December 2018, 02:38 PM

Serious spoiler;

If the top two of Trinity & Monet is true, I really really cannot with this show

Posted by: George.keh 9th December 2018, 06:45 PM

When is this showing in the UK then?

Posted by: Envoirment 9th December 2018, 08:46 PM

So excited for this! I watched the trailer without my glasses on so I didn't spoil the looks and such much I hate myself for looking in the comments on the trailer/interviews though as people keep posting lots of possible spoilers. I've seen about 4-5 different spoilers for the top queens - so that makes me confident no one has a clue of what they're talking about

Posted by: ElectroBoy 9th December 2018, 08:57 PM

QUOTE(Envoirment @ Dec 9 2018, 08:46 PM)

So excited for this! I watched the trailer without my glasses on so I didn't spoil the looks and such much I hate myself for looking in the comments on the trailer/interviews though as people keep posting lots of possible spoilers. I've seen about 4-5 different spoilers for the top queens - so that makes me confident no one has a clue of what they're talking about

Posted by: Liаm 10th December 2018, 12:24 AM

I've been looking at spoiler videos when I said I wouldn't, why do I do this


I swear the main spoiler for AS3 was Trixie and Bebe, and I saw a good few saying that they both won So I'm taking what's said now with a large amount of salt!

Posted by: Martyn 10th December 2018, 10:16 AM

QUOTE(George.keh @ Dec 9 2018, 06:45 PM)

Posted by: Envoirment 11th December 2018, 06:31 PM

QUOTE(ElectroBoy @ Dec 9 2018, 08:57 PM)

The top 2 I've read differs from the one Jack posted above.

I guess it makes it more exciting if there are a load of different spoilers

Posted by: Liаm 14th December 2018, 03:18 PM

Tonight *.* I cannot wait, especially for Manila, Trinity and Monique. I know I'm gonna spend 90% of this season detestng Valentina but hey that's part of the fun!

Posted by: Envoirment 15th December 2018, 12:38 AM

Less than 25 minutes to go! Can't wait.

Posted by: Joeflake 15th December 2018, 10:31 AM

Trintiy slayed the lip sync.

I think Gia should have been top 2 and Monét should have been bottom 2. Fun episode though, Valentina is so bizarrely funny.

Posted by: blacksquare 15th December 2018, 11:06 AM

How did this Valentina/Latrice read not make the cut? It's the best read since Katya/Roxxxy in All Stars 2.

Posted by: Davidson 15th December 2018, 11:06 AM

I thought the judging this episode made little to no sense really.

I would have judged the talent show like:

Top 2:
Gia Gunn
Latrice Royale

High:
Trinity Taylor

Safe:
Monique Heart
Monét X Change
Naomi Smalls
Valentina

Low:
Manila Luzon

B2:
Jasmine Masters
Farrah Moan

The only thing they got right really was the B2. Monique and Trinity are my favourite two of all of them but they were definitely not the best in the talent show. Naomi also getting Top 3 for just walking around??? Please.

Overall I thought everyone was only okay, definitely the weakest talent show of the 3 on AS so far.

Posted by: blacksquare 15th December 2018, 11:09 AM

It was an underwhelming start considering the number of talented queens included. I wish they had rewarded Gia (stunning) and Manila for actually doing something different - it's hard not to get bored, four seasons in, with queens who are doing the same inferior versions of what we've already seen. Compare Monique to Aja, Farrah to Ben, Naomi to Tatianna etc. At least Latrice actually turned it out.

I love them but Monique and Monet need to retire the brown cows and sponges. It semi proves to me that this season is too soon, and including queens from this year is too soon. It's a little tired. The return of Lil' Poundcake worked because there had been time to forget about it.

Posted by: Liаm 15th December 2018, 12:30 PM

I agree that it was a bit underwhelming as a challenge, of course doing drag and performing IS a talent so it's not surprising we get a lot of just what we'd see in a show in the talent show, but it's hard to get too excited when it's just a bunch of queens lipsyncing and dancing. I did really enjoy it though and it was an opening that made me excited for the rest of the series.

I think it was all quite close, nobody completely stood out in the way that say Aja or Tatiana did in their seasons but my top 4 was definitely Monique, Trinity, Gia and Latrice, but I also loved Manila's as something totally different. I wouldn't have put it top 2 because most of it I was like erm what and then it was just that last couple of seconds that wowed me and thought how did she do it, but it was great to see something different, same with Gia. I did love Monique's but I think I'd have put Gia/Latrice top 2 over her, as said we've kind of seen dancing to your own song SO many times. Gia did something totally different but worked it, and Latrice put a spin on what we usually see with the flags. I did love Monique and Trinity's performances though so I can't be mad at them being top. Jush was definitely the worst, undeniably, as the queens said it's a total different thing doing stand-up than it is being funny for a minute online. There was just nothing at all, just rehashing her video about the guy with bad breath and then walking off I think it should have been Monet over Farrah bottom 2 though, neither were anything we have seen before but other than falling I think Farrah did fine, sometimes these things happen. Monet just did a song we've already heard and at times it looked like she didn't know what she was doing with her choreo and just sort of chucked in a couple of twirls and splits.


I really really don't like Gia's attitude though, to be honest she's in the weaker half of the queens here so I don't know what her attitude is for I'm also tired of Farrah already, this could really have been her chance to do an Aja and break out, but she seems to have not developed at all and is still just pretty and nice enough, and too whiny. Valentina can also already go, can't stand her and she just comes across so fake. Jasmine going I'm really not bothered about, as I said she was the worst and whilst she has more entertainment potential than a few left in, I don't think she is the sort of queen for this show. She is hilarious on her own terms but has real trouble applying it to the show's format and in terms of looks, acting etc. she just doesn't have the range. She's a tough one because the memes and Vines made her memorable, but I don't think she is All Star material at all. It'd be ok if she hung around for 2-3 episodes to give us a meme but we didn't even get that

Posted by: ElectroBoy 15th December 2018, 01:01 PM

Forgotten how much I loved Manilla... I was a bit WTF at her talent show thing, but it stood out and thought it was different to the usual lipsync and then splits.

Trinty is great too and Valentina is making me laugh too

Not feeling Gia - she just comes across as a bitter bitch for no real reason.

An improvement on the Christmas show, but as Allstar Talent shows go it was a little samey.

Ugh at the wig coming off in the lipsync… what is this Series 2/3/4? I thought that went out with Milan being eliminated after continually doing it. Lazy. Trinity deserved that win!

Also Stacey Layne Matthews next week!?!

Posted by: Ezra's Elf 15th December 2018, 02:51 PM

Trinity OMFG I f***ing love her all over again!

Im not that mad at Jasmine going I just am disappointed because her doing stand up could have been excellent but it was like an attempt to re-create her meme videos and that doesn't translate to always good stand up comedy.

YASSS at their being A Mariah Lipsync

Posted by: blacksquare 15th December 2018, 04:13 PM

I wasn't that impressed by Trinity during the actual challenge, but she had the best comebacks during the mini-challenge and her lip sync was fantastic.

I genuinely love Monique but that wig moment was messy and, unless you have petals under there, there better be another wig on that head.

Posted by: Wreatheo 15th December 2018, 05:40 PM

I enjoyed the episode on the whole! The right person went, I never liked Jasmine on S7 and I've not seen any of these 'hilarious' memes that she's been involved in, so no less there for me.

I thought Valentina's performance was excellent, I think she's the best Latinx queen that the show has ever had and it was so refreshing having her performance in Spanish! She definitely should have been rewarded for it, I would have put her or Gia in the top two over Monique.

QUOTE(blacksquare @ Dec 15 2018, 11:09 AM)

Posted by: Envoirment 15th December 2018, 06:09 PM

I really liked the episode, but the reads they put up on youtube were better than the ones they showed on air. Also I didn't really agree with the top - I thought Latrice/Gia shoould've been the winners/top 2 with Trinity/Monique/Manila taking the 3rd high spot. I agreed with the bottom 3 and with Jasmine's elimination. Such a shame Farrah fell as she would've likely have been safe otherwise. The Lip sync was a bit disappointing - I thought Trinity did really well and Monique was good but her wig coming off... Was great to get a Mariah song though.

Looking forward to next week's challenge though with Stacey Lane Matthews!

I'm here for Gia's bitchiness - it'll be entertaining to see her go toe to toe with other queens/create drama. I'm just hoping it doesn't go the way of Phi Phi.

Posted by: PaulM1983 16th December 2018, 01:39 PM

I enjoyed the episode but it did feel a bit undercooked for an All Star opener. I expected a bit more.

Trinity is everything. She's a great performer, looks incredible and can clap-back like a champion. I feel like Trinity is going to do an Alaska and absolutely dominate this season.

Gia on the other hand...nope. She looks beautiful. She really is stunning, but there's not even a glimmer of humour in her attitude. She's just vicious and it looks like she'll just target the more sensitive queens, like Farrah. I can see Trinity being one of the only ones to properly lock horns with her. I'm here for that.

Having said that, Gia's talent show performance was actually really great. So different and really quite beautiful.

And some of those reads were so awful. You'd think they'd never done it before. Farrah in particular was dreadful.

Posted by: Liаm 16th December 2018, 07:52 PM

That's one thing that always annoys me, the reading challenge happens every season and I feel like, as well as a Snatch Game character, a queen should have that. That sort of cutting sense of humour, an ability to make fun of others and clap back is something a queen needs imo, and it always surprises me that there's always a couple of queens who just don't get it - it's always coming prepare for it! :/

Posted by: Wreatheo 16th December 2018, 07:59 PM

We know from season 9 that Farrah isn't funny though, so I would have been surprised if she had actually done a good read. It just makes me worried for her in future comedy challenges.

I don't think anyone but her was that bad at reading though?

Posted by: Conderella 16th December 2018, 08:32 PM

the curious thing is that during the reunion Farrah was SO funny. Like HYSTERICALLY funny. so she definitely has what it takes. I think the problem is she's too afraid to go at it and commit.

Posted by: blacksquare 16th December 2018, 08:55 PM

QUOTE(Conderella @ Dec 16 2018, 08:32 PM)

Posted by: Joeflake 22nd December 2018, 03:09 AM

Talentina’s lip sync was so messy but I kinda loved it. She really went for it at the end, she reminded me of me drunk at a club thinking I’m it. Monet is getting tired though, it was just boring and not funny.

Really fun episode. I love her, but Gia could be crossing from kinda iconic comedy villain to irritating and mean villain now.

Oh and Manila’s runway was the tea.

Posted by: 152chris 22nd December 2018, 12:06 PM

lmao i feel like farrah was rly haunting valentina's lipsync like WHAT were some of those moves i loved it.

this season is shaping up to be amazing ngl. just WHERE are latrice's top placements???

Posted by: Conderella 22nd December 2018, 12:06 PM

Oh gosh most of those runways were AMAZING. Manila's dress definitely saved her.

Everyone can defend Gia all they like saying producers edited the footage to include her smile immediately after Farrah's fall last week and it might be true but GURL... she dug a grave for herself after this episode for sure. I mean everything she says is just fake as f*** and she's here only to play the game. I wonder if she genuinely thought this strategy is the best one. As if it's not transparent enough...

thank f*** Monique didn't do a Tatianna! She's way too iconic to go home so soon.

Posted by: Liаm 22nd December 2018, 12:20 PM

Gia is SO unbearable, I guess the drama was somewhat entertaining for the first episode but I was just so so tired of her by the end of this week's... When she explained the "drama" that led to her relationship with Farrah going sour, I just rolled my eyes, it sounded SO petty when she got down to it! As for the actual episode, I really enjoyed that challenge, more than the talent show. I'd have had Latrice or Naomi top 2 instead of Monet but Monet was great too. Part of me thought Villaintina was going to cut Monique tbh but I'm so glad she didn't, she shouldn't have even been bottom 2 imo and definitely has far too much to give to go this early.

Also Snatch Game next week *.* not sure about the twist on it, but it's always my fave challenge. Apparently the characters are

Monet - Whitney Houston
Manila - Barbra Streisand
Valentina - Eartha Kitt
Latrice - Della Reese
Trinity - Caitlyn Jenner
Gia - Jenny Bui (apparently Cardi B's nail girl, thrilling)
Naomi - Wendy Williams
Monique - Tiffany Haddish

I'm dying at Manila and Trinity's picks, this is going to be amazing!!

Posted by: ElectroBoy 22nd December 2018, 12:22 PM

Watching this now and yeah Gia has become unbearable.

Also Naomi's lips... someone's overdosed on the filler

Posted by: Parumpumberella 22nd December 2018, 01:14 PM

omg that lipsync has to be one of my favourites EVER lmaooo

between monique SCREAMING throughout the whole thing and valentina throwing herself around like a chicken satay stick i'm obsessed

ps. monique has to honestly stay until the end. she's so good

Posted by: Parumpumberella 22nd December 2018, 01:15 PM

ps. gia's choice has to be the most ill-informed choice i've EVER seen on snatch game........... what?

Posted by: cantthinkofaname 22nd December 2018, 03:43 PM

Should really have been Naomi and Valentina top 2 tbh. Farrah was the right choice to go home but Monét can go next for all I care.

Posted by: 152chris 22nd December 2018, 05:12 PM

Posted by: LexC 22nd December 2018, 08:35 PM

WOW MADE THE MISTAKE OF UPLOADING THE NEXT EPISODE SO SNATCH GAME EP HAS LEAKED

REINFORCE YOUR WIGS BECAUSE IT HAS SNATCHED ME BALD!

Posted by: Conderella 22nd December 2018, 10:59 PM

I just watched episode 3 AND the preview for episode 4. JERSEY JUSTICE!!! f*** YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Valentina is growing on me. She's gotten so much more fierce and is here to SLAY *.* Although it would've been a gag of the century and one of the biggest twists in RPDR herstory if she was sent home by Manila...

Manila getting that win yasssss. And poor Naomi 3rd for the 2nd time in a row lol. Her Wendy was fabulous! and that fall at the end jgfhsljgbljsdbfgljsdbgfjsdjkFGQEGFJDBFJDABF

Monique continuing to deliver. "you can cut to a commercial now"!!! I was DYING!

Posted by: Parumpumberella 23rd December 2018, 01:58 AM

QUOTE(Conderella @ Dec 22 2018, 10:59 PM)

third for the third time, no? the snatch game was... SO bizarre. the drama and dynamic of this season though is so killer. and monique is a motherf***in STAR

Posted by: Conderella 23rd December 2018, 08:42 AM

QUOTE(Parumpumberella @ Dec 23 2018, 04:58 AM)

third for the third time, no? the snatch game was... SO bizarre. the drama and dynamic of this season though is so killer. and monique is a motherf***in STAR

Posted by: Liаm 23rd December 2018, 10:49 AM

TRINITY'S CAITLYN JENNER OH MY GOD. Absolutely spot on and I think one of the all time great Snatch Game performances.

I thought the bottom 3 were all pretty bad but Monet was probably worse than Valentina, Val was one of those odd ones where they were in character but it was just so forced and not funny at all, like the judges said she'd clearly researched a lot but then not actually applied anything to the situation properly to make it funny. Monet and Latrice were just acting like themselves, Gia was terrible but at least it veered into laughably so at times. I get that Latrice was frustrated but like Ross said, nothing phases her yet she throws herself off and gets miserable just because Gia was awful...

Posted by: Joeflake 23rd December 2018, 12:49 PM

Val is getting a really cute edit. Even in epsidoe 3.

Posted by: Wreatheo 23rd December 2018, 02:00 PM

I feel bad for Farrah. Her dancing was terrible in the girl group but Gia obviously got into her head. I'm really surprised at how well she's done so far, she flopped so badly in Snatch Game on season 6 so I wouldn't be surprised to see her out next (I haven't watched episode 3 yet so don't @ me)

Valentina definitely deserved a challenge win after being robbed last week but I think Monét deserved to win the lipsync, even though her outfit reveal was basic and used the exact same silhouette that she used twice last week again!!

Posted by: blacksquare 23rd December 2018, 04:02 PM

QUOTE(Wreatheo @ Dec 23 2018, 02:00 PM)

Posted by: Addy K!ng 23rd December 2018, 05:36 PM

Valentina I am so on board with her this time. I hope she goes top 3!!!

Posted by: Envoirment 23rd December 2018, 06:15 PM

I really liked the second epsiode. Manila's dress was AMAZING! One of the best looks on RPDR - defo top 10. I was so sad with Latrice being overlooked yet again. The top 3 should've been Latrice/Valentina/Monet or Naomi. The bottom two was right and Farrah being eliminated the right choice as well. Living for the Gia vs Farrah drama. Although glad it's over with Farrah now gone.

And OMG the 3rd episode leaked?!?! Perfect Christmas present. Time to watch *_*

Posted by: Liаm 23rd December 2018, 07:27 PM

Yesss Manila's look was absolutely brown cow STUNNING

QUOTE(blacksquare @ Dec 23 2018, 04:02 PM)

Posted by: Parumpumberella 24th December 2018, 12:17 AM

monet was my favourite in season 10 but she seems to be a self-parody. plus her lipsync outfit was absolutely dreadful. she has fabulous thick legs but they did not work for a cheap stretch slit gown....

with a multicoloured horrible wig too????? she's better than this.

Posted by: Joeflake 24th December 2018, 12:44 AM

I’m quite surprised how much myself (and seemingly others) seem to have gone off Monét. She was one of my favourites last season and I felt like the show took a negative turn when she left. But I guess that’s what happens when she’s put up against legitimate All Stars rather than...Kameron and E****a.

Posted by: cantthinkofaname 24th December 2018, 02:28 AM

Monet just seems to have a few tricks up her sleeve that she likes to rehash and use up until everyone has gotten absolutely sick to death of them lol. I'm SO over Monet and her trying to read Trinity in Episode 3 was just awkward and pathetic to say the least, and Trinity clapped back so well it was almost an unfairly disproportionate fight.

Posted by: PaulM1983 24th December 2018, 08:50 AM

I will be shocked if anyone but Trinity takes this whole thing. She's a god damn superstar.

Valentina's lip sync was awesome. Great personality, lots of fun and the twirling was great. She deserved that win.

I haven't disliked a queen as much as I dislike Gia for a while. Probably since Phi Phi. She's just conniving, twisted and nasty. There's nothing fun about her at all.

Episode 3 was good, but I prefer the normal Snatch Game format. Trinity, Manilla and Naomi smashed it.

Posted by: Joeflake 24th December 2018, 03:02 PM

I do not think Valentina deserved bottom 2 at all. Latrice wasn’t in character at all and had no laughs and Monet wasn’t in character either. Val has a fully realised character. But I guess she was bottom for drama.
Trinity was 100X better than them all.

Posted by: Jack 24th December 2018, 03:27 PM

The spoilers!! I hadn't watched episode 3 yet .

Posted by: Envoirment 24th December 2018, 03:39 PM

For the third episode I think Latrice should've been bottom for as well sadly. Although the drama was amazing with Valentina bottom 2. I didn't think Trinity was that funny, but definitely the winner with Manila. Although Naomi made me laugh the most, especially with the faint at the end. I am gagging at the ep 4 preview.

Posted by: Conderella 24th December 2018, 08:33 PM

can someone plz ban Joe and edit his post plz x

Posted by: Joeflake 24th December 2018, 11:35 PM

QUOTE(Envoirment @ Dec 24 2018, 03:39 PM)

Posted by: Liаm 29th December 2018, 11:59 AM

I love how they only start taking down the episodes now it's aired

Anyway, Trinity's Caitlyn was one of the best Snatch Game performances ever and that's on that.

Posted by: blacksquare 29th December 2018, 12:30 PM

Valentina was iconic during this episode. So many moments.

Manila slayed that lip sync. Trinity is clearly making the final - she’s yet to make a mistake.

Posted by: Conderella 29th December 2018, 01:35 PM

surely Naomi is likely to be in the final 4 too. Top 3 in all episodes just falling short each time

Posted by: ElectroBoy 29th December 2018, 02:26 PM

Manila openly talking about being strategic etc is going to be her downfall in the long run and the girls will oust her because of it... hopefully not though, but I can see it as a bit of a possibility.

Posted by: Liаm 30th December 2018, 11:34 AM

Idk how to feel about the whole strategy thing, I guess that's classic thing of "it's ok until it affects my faves" I'd be so here for the drama if Manila cut Valentina but if another queen hit back and cut Manila for being a threat or thinking that her strategy might be a problem, I'd probably be pissed off as Manila is my fave behind Trinity. It shouldn't really be about strategy because if one is an All Star and worthy of winning, they should be able to beat the others.... I get if you wanted to win and had that fire, you might want to be cut throat, but eh it just doesn't quite sit right with me. AS3 was really marred by Shangela being robbed, it would suck if Trinity or Naomi who have excellent track records so far were to be booted in favour of say Latrice who hasn't had a high or win yet.

Posted by: Liаm 31st December 2018, 02:23 AM

Also the last thing I thought I'd be doing is stanning Valentina but I kinda am I can't help but live for the fact that she clearly believes AS4 is her own personal telenovela.

Posted by: Conderella 31st December 2018, 04:34 AM

and the funniest thing is that it kinda is! she delivers in each episode.

Monique is still THE queen of this season. *you should go to commercial right there*

Posted by: dannjohn 31st December 2018, 10:44 AM

monet x-change and latrice should have been in the bottom two.

i know it would require some brainwork but valentina's performance of eartha kitt was spot on... naomi and manilla should have been the winners.. i don't really like trinity and i don't really get the favourable edit she's getting.

gia was a show woman and should have been safe. latrice never executed a single character, even before gia's 'interference' so i don't think she has a right to blame gia at all... i didn't see anything but latrice.

manilla as barbra was hysterical and i would have loved to see her on the main stage.

Posted by: Liаm 31st December 2018, 01:54 PM

No matter what you think of Trinity (and I don't see what's to not like about her so far this season), I can't see how you can say that her Caitlyn Jenner didn't deserve to win It was spot on AND funny. Naomi or Manila easily could have joined her but as the judges said, I feel like Naomi lost her way a little bit as she went through (but picked it back up again with the collapse - hysterical ).

I do agree Valentina never should have been bottom 2 though, she was probably just there for the drama as Ru knew they'd both pick Gia anyway. It might not have really been funny, but I think a well researched and put together impression that isn't that funny is better than Latrice or Monet basically just being themselves. I mean I have no idea who Della Reese even is other than that Come On-a My House song but it just felt like Latrice being herself then having a strop she didn't get a good Snatch Game again. I mean Gia was a bit of a twat but like Ross said, Latrice deals with so much worse as a queen on stage being heckled by drunk people etc., why is it that yet again she can't handle someone being a bit stupid on Snatch Game? She should have focused on herself and letting her own performance shine despite that. I've said this before but AS4 is re-confirming it for me, Latrice is a great queen but not always that great for the format of the show.

Posted by: Envoirment 31st December 2018, 02:18 PM

Personally I preferred Manila to Trinity in the snatch game. Both were great, as was Naomi. Latrice/Gia should've been the bottom two - both were quite bad and their looks didn't really redeem themselves (Like Manila's dress last week). I am so excited for the episode this friday though - it looks like there's going to be a lot of drama and I'm really wondering why Manila and Latrice were crying.

I'm kinda disappointed in the way this season is going for Latrice. I thought she deserved at least a high placing in both week 1 and 2 and her 3rd week bomb was kind of sad to see. I'm hoping she can somehow make a big comeback, but I'm not so sure. It seems this series has been set up as Trinity vs Manila vs Valentina for the crown, although I'm sure there's bound to be some sort of drama/twist - like bringing back an eliminated queen or something.

Posted by: ElectroBoy 31st December 2018, 04:37 PM

My current Rankings of the Remaining Queens are:

01. Manila Luzon - Love her, hopefully the talk of being strategic doesn't come back to bite her
02. Trinity the Tuck - Ruling this series
03. Valentina - She is hilarious this series

04. Naomi Smalls - Much fiercer competitor this time around and you can see how much she has grown since Series 8
05. Monet X-Change - Hilarious, glad she finally got a win this series.

06. Monque Heart - I like her, but I think she should've waited before returning. Sometimes hilarious and spot on, other times deluded and irratating
07. Latrice Royale - I love her, but she's hardly setting the competition alight

Posted by: Conderella 31st December 2018, 07:54 PM

01 Monique
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02 Valentina
03 manila
04 Naomi
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05 trinity
06 latrice
07 monét

I don't dislike any of them though. something doesn't click for me with Monet this time tbh. she seems a bit too arrogant or something. maybe it's just the edit (or lack thereof).

Posted by: Liаm 31st December 2018, 07:58 PM

01 Manila
02 Trinity
03 Monique
04 Valentina
05 Naomi
06 Latrice
07 Monet

I stan all the top 5 tbh, Latrice is fine just as I said not really one who I'd go mad over in terms of the show, she's far better on her own terms. I don't dislike Monet but I agree there's really something missing and no step up compared to pretty much all the others.

Posted by: Liаm 5th January 2019, 02:46 AM

For once they got the right top and bottom 2!! It probably could have been Trinity as well for the bottom but neither Monet or Latrice really did much, I totally agree that it was just Monet in a wig which is pretty much what she did last week as "Whitney"... Latrice going was absolutely the right decision, based on both track records and the performances this week. Mind you, when you look at the fact Monet didn't deserve top in the Henny challenge and Latrice did, she's not really far behind It's such a shame because she was so so good on season 10, and you'd think with a bit of time and th budget she'd be slaying like Monique but it's just not getting there. It always feels like we're seeing just about competent enough Monet on autopilot, even with Everybody Say Love I don't think it really deserved top 2 and was just "good". For someone capable of what she was capable of on Season 10, it's just a real disappointment, and very this'll do. I didn't think that much of her outfit either this week, but then I think I was just residual slain by Naomi's and couldn't form a coherent opinion of anything else.

Monique and Manila both killed it this time, the former's character was just hilarious with all the little touches and the latter was so over the top and of course that was absolutely perfect for a challenge like this and the character she had. I didn't expect Manila to slay as promos and the tease of her crying on Latrice's shoulder made me think that it was a Latrilla bottom 2, but yaass *.* Monique is having possibly the best All Stars redemption ever!! Trinity on the other hand came across terribly this week - more like the early season 9 Trinity before she broke out and become a contender with Draggily Ever After and the I Wanna Go lipsync... Is it that Gia has gone so she had to step in as a Poundland villain being shady af? :/

Also SCREAMING at "MY BLOOD IS BOILING THROUGH MY VEINS", Valentina is so so much and I'm kinda just accepting it and living

Next week looks good too - let's get this roast a-cookin' *.*



EDIT: oops next week's challenge leaked too and looks like it's a Trinity vs. Valentina bottom 2

Posted by: ElectroBoy 5th January 2019, 11:04 AM

Stacy Layne Matthews back again

Posted by: ElectroBoy 5th January 2019, 11:41 AM

Latrice going was definately the right decision - she was crap the last 2 weeks and Monet had a lot more to give.

I get that Latrice is respected and one of the most loved queens... but she needs to back it up somewhere along the way with her performances and on the runway. Next week should be interested

Posted by: Joeflake 5th January 2019, 11:51 AM

It’s a shame I kind of hated Talentina’a runway because I actually think she did overall the best in the challenge. Trintiy’s runway was stunning and Monique... brown cow. AGAIN?!

Honestly I think Monet is the worst and needs to go.

Posted by: Conderella 5th January 2019, 11:58 AM

I screamed when Monique won. She's SUCH a goddamn QUEEN *.*

BROWN. COW. S T U N N I N G

kinda funny how the elimination mirrored the courtroom scene - Monique vs Monet/Latrice.

next week tho ooooooops. Yet another comedy challenge. Valentina quaking in her designer everything boots

This season is so good.

Posted by: CardiiB 5th January 2019, 12:14 PM

It really pissed me off when Valentina started complaining about her critiques when Monet and Latrice were talking and getting upset. And yet the producers gave her a fun and loving edit for it
Can you imagine if Gia done that!! The shade button would be be put on non stop and all the Queens would be talking about how evil she is
Valentina seems to be rather inconsiderate but getting free passes because of the editing.

Posted by: Joeflake 5th January 2019, 12:29 PM

I don’t think Valentina’s interruption was as abrupt as the editing made it seem. That’s just the producers giving her the telenovela edit.

Posted by: blacksquare 5th January 2019, 01:25 PM

I'm here for the Valentina one-woman telenovela edit - she is completely insane and it's fun to watch.

Manilla and Monique killed it (no more brown cow please) and they actually got the top 2/bottom 2 right for a change. Speaking of the bottom... I'm so disappointed by Monet. She was one my favourites but there has been little progression. Too much too soon. I think the fact Monique was treated like a filler queen in Season 10 is helping her.

This is truly the successor to All Stars 2 though, and I'm so glad 3 was just a blip.

Posted by: Liаm 5th January 2019, 03:27 PM

Whilst it was cow again, I loved Monique's runway!! Suitably quirky with the random curves and bumps in weird places.

I agree about the editing too, it seemed to me it was edited to seem abrupt when it probably wasn't so much. I guess it injected some drama and comedy into what was going to be a pretty obvious elimination (with each one having a good friend in the bottom 2).

Posted by: Liаm 7th January 2019, 01:43 AM

Also



Song of the year so far x

Posted by: Conderella 7th January 2019, 09:00 AM

I am living for Manila's original look she apparently wasn't allowed to wear on stage! Now that's the Manila we all know! <3

Posted by: cantthinkofaname 7th January 2019, 11:28 AM

I'm so over brown cow (and sponge dresses) and I don't think Monique should have been Top 2 this week. Should have been a Manila / Naomi top 2 imo. But I'm still pleased with who left. Latrice has been very below average, especially for a third timer I think it's fair to expect a lot more.

Monét to go next please.

Posted by: Liаm 7th January 2019, 03:50 PM

QUOTE(Conderella @ Jan 7 2019, 09:00 AM)

Posted by: Joe. 7th January 2019, 04:13 PM

Obsessed with Kim Chi's outfit here! Trixie looks great, too. (Yay at them both agreeing that Talentina was the best in the challenge).

Posted by: Liаm 7th January 2019, 04:23 PM

Idk why they didn't say "you are the top 3 All Stars of the week", Valentina definitely should've been high* but as I said Manila and Monique were definitely the top 2. Naomi was mostly great but wasn't so in it the whole way through as the other 3, in a scene with Manila barking she had to bring it up a bit more but she did get a little bit lost in places. Monique did kinda play herself, but still totally went for it, exaggerated and when Monique as herself is so hilarious I'm not mad at all.


* MY BLOOD IS SIMMERING THROUGH MY VEINS deserved the win tho x

Posted by: Addy K!ng 7th January 2019, 04:55 PM

That Monique lipsync was one of my fave of the season so far. She was feeling it!!!

Posted by: Jack 7th January 2019, 06:20 PM

Valentina is giving her me everything I wanted from an All Stars version of her, polished and hilarious! Really loving Manila too.

I didn't like Latrice and it kind of felt she was putting her all in but I prefer her to Monet I have a bad feeling she will last a while now too ugh.

Posted by: Joe. 9th January 2019, 01:58 PM

Latrice's boots the house down runway is still giving me nightmares.

Posted by: Liаm 11th January 2019, 04:42 PM

I still can't stop thinking about "LADIES I'M BOILING", absolutely iconic.

Posted by: Liаm 12th January 2019, 03:54 AM

Omg the spoilers were wrong again (I was trying to avoid but have seen some), it was meant to be Naomi and Monet top 2 but neither of them gave a good enough lipsync so Ru was like nah nobody won and just stopped them eliminating anyone My rank based solely on the challenge:

01 Manila: CRUSHING this *.* Yet again showing why she's one of the funniest queens, period. That embodied everything a roast should be.
02 Monet: Actually really funny, the Monet I've wanted to see all season!
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03 Monique: as the judges said, lost it a bit due to being a bit *too* in the character - that shouldn't be a bad thing but it kinda was as it gave no room to take any of it in. I'll have to watch again to find it as funny as I know it was or should be.
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04 Valentina: a damn mess but she's just hilare to watch anyway, because she was such a mess it was at least funny for that, all three were pretty bad. Idk if that really counts as doing better in the challenge but at least it was an enjoyable moment.
05 Trinity: I think she just totally got in her head about having to prove something from the S9 roast, the set could have been great with the "character" and what she had written down but it just flatlined....
06 Naomi: that was giving me Farrah season 9 roast teas So awkward, it's not like she had a potentially decent set ruined by nerves or f***ing up, it was just really uncomfortable watching her absolutely bomb like that

I really like this way to bring back the other girls in a way that doesn't just regurgitate every other time, idk what they're going to do with the lipsync for your life thing but I'm here for it being back *.* Idk how it's gonna work with lipsticks and Lipsync For Your Life but I trust there'll be drama which I'm gagged for *.*

I'm struggling to decide how I feel about Monet and Monique The latter is bringing it, is entertaining and all but the delusion is ridiculous. She can't take any form of criticism, but doesn't make an overwrought drama of it like Valentina, she just comes across like she can't take any of it. Monet is similar, you can't help but laugh that she felt the need to bring up track records when she's fresh from being bottom and was VERY lucky not to be bottom 2 in the talent show and Snatch Game, plus arguably shouldn't have been top 2 over Naomi or Latrice in the girl group challenge. But as much as I feel this, there's still glimpses of the best of Monet or Monique, it was just this week for the latter really. I also kinda hate their "alliance", Manila did absolutely nothing wrong (nothing that 90% of All Stars contestants haven't done anyway...), they just see her as a threat and know they probably couldn't beat her in the top 2/3 so are pressed af :') Idk how I feel about the whole strategy thing either, I kinda get it... You're there to win and I understand that fire to get anyone who might stop you out, but if a queen is that good, they should be able to win anyway. I think Manila has it right, if you win a lipsync and are in the position to choose who goes, it's your choice. I don't see why they're so pressed at a decision she didn't even get to act on because she didn't win! Monique would have done the same if the situation was reversed and Monet "should" have gone... I don't know why it's only a problem when Manila does it.

Posted by: Conderella 12th January 2019, 10:06 AM

Manila absolutely SLAYED this roast. The moment she walked out and peeked at LB out of that umbrella I had to pause the video, it was hysterical! Everything was there and that's probably one of the strongest roasts/comedy routines RPDR has seen since Bianca. It's super weird that Manila bombed her comedy routine in Season 3. She was bottom 2 that episode...

Monet was really funny too. Miles behind Manila but clear Top 2.

Monique I loved a lot as well. The thing I agree with is that she should've paused more often - the effect would've been much stronger.

What a hard elimination this would've been. Now I'm expecting full blown drama in regards to who was chosen by whom at the beginning of the next episode. Judging by her reaction in the previews Trinity may have been chosen by Manila?? The inclusion of the eliminated girls makes it x500 more dramatic. I can't wait.

Posted by: Oliver 12th January 2019, 11:20 AM

I don't know if it's been confirmed or not but apparently both Manila and Monet chose Valentina.

I'm not here for Monet and Monique's alliance against Manila. They seem to have taken it very personally and I see it as more jealousy that Manila is doing well. Plus the fact that Monique obviously chose Latrice to go because she is good friends with Monet but was able to use the excuse of Monet doing better to hide it.

I also just don't get the love for Monique, she's FAR too in your face and loud, and the "brown cow stunning" thing got old very quickly!

Posted by: CardiiB 12th January 2019, 11:50 AM

Willam had said before the series even started that there was a week both the queens picked Valentina but the series is rigged for her so they worked around it and she stayed, guessing that was this week and it seemed that was the way nothing Manila and Monet were heading

Posted by: ElectroBoy 12th January 2019, 01:53 PM

Just watching this now...

Loving the SLM cutaways each episode

Posted by: ElectroBoy 12th January 2019, 02:27 PM

Not sure about the returning queens... none of them really deserve to come back and oust one of the remaining Queens as the 4 who went weren't actually good in any of the challenges and the remaining 6 all have been great in at least 1 of the challenges.

But I guess see what happens - I can't slate it really until i've seen it

Can we please crown Manila now? 3 wins in a row! I'm loving her more with each episode. Trinity had such a good start, however seems to be faltering a bit. I like Monique, but at times she as delusional as Valentina and not as good as she thinks she is. Valentina was funny... but am going of her a bit more each episode. Loving Monet... Naomi is a bit meh.

Posted by: Jack 12th January 2019, 07:01 PM

This episode was a weird one. In my opinion Valentina was HILARIOUS and nowhere near as bad as Naomi or Trinity! Monet really wasn't that greatoo and Im starting to find her as unlikeable as Trixie/Alaska were in their All Stars series, which I'm desperately hoping means she doesn't win.

I also don't get why they're trying to make it out like Valentina isn't good?? She and Manila are the front runners in my eyes and have been consistently amazing. This editing and praise for Monet can't fool me.

Posted by: CardiiB 12th January 2019, 07:13 PM

Purely statistically speaking though Valentina probabaly is the worst left, maybe Naomi depending on how you ranking “High” placements
Everyone else has at least 2 wins

Posted by: ElectroBoy 12th January 2019, 07:40 PM

QUOTE(CardiiB @ Jan 12 2019, 07:13 PM)

Posted by: Jack 12th January 2019, 08:00 PM

Really?! To me she has done SO good but just paid dust really - she should've been top last week and her bottom for Snatch Game over Monet was silly!

Monet is by faaaar the weakest left imo.

Posted by: Conderella 12th January 2019, 09:16 PM

Monet is the weakest left indeed. In my eyes top 4 must consist of Valentina, Trinity, Manila and Monique. But I feel Monique will be chopped pretty soon. Most likely for some silly reason She's still my favourite. People not being able to find reasons to dislike her other than the whole brown cow stunning thing... this is her catch phrase, deal with it.

Trinity and Manila will be battling it out in the top 2. You heard it here first.

Posted by: Liаm 12th January 2019, 09:27 PM

Naomi is the weakest left imo, yes she did very well on Snatch Game and the girl group challenge but I didn't really get her high for the talent show, last week was fine and this week was terrible. In terms of being an All Star, she just doesn't have *it*. I don't really get this whole "being slept on" thing, I mean she could/maybe should have been top 2 in girl groups and Snatch Game, but I think in both cases she was unlucky to be in a week with a few contenders. At Monet's best, she's capable of more than Naomi, a lot of Naomi's appeal is "wow she's funny and we didn't know". They're definitely the weakest two although I think the standard is higher than AS3 overall for sure. I can see Monet being the Kennedy of this season and making top 4 at least, SURELY Manila will be top 2 as I doubt they'll do that horrendous jury twist again but I can't help but think that she'll be cut as soon as she's bottom 2, hopefully she just isn't put there. I'd love this All Stars rules suspended thing to be kept all season as Manila could destroy pretty much all of the ones remaining in a lipsync tbh but it's only going to be for next week I expect.

Posted by: ElectroBoy 12th January 2019, 09:28 PM

QUOTE(Conderella @ Jan 12 2019, 09:16 PM)

Posted by: ElectroBoy 12th January 2019, 09:30 PM

QUOTE(Liаm @ Jan 12 2019, 09:27 PM)

Posted by: Lukuzz 13th January 2019, 10:28 AM

QUOTE(ElectroBoy @ Jan 12 2019, 09:30 PM)

Posted by: cantthinkofaname 13th January 2019, 11:44 AM

QUOTE(Lukuzz @ Jan 13 2019, 10:28 AM)

Posted by: PaulM1983 13th January 2019, 02:00 PM

Well I'm not entirely sure what's happening next week but didn't the preview show 2 of the returnees (Gia and Latrice) choosing lipsticks?

Course that could mean that all the eliminated queens are lipsyncing and whoever wins comes back at the expense of whoever they choose.

Posted by: Conderella 13th January 2019, 05:03 PM

getting 2 of them back just like in AS2 is ridiculous. and it's not like Gia/Latrice/Jasmine/Farrah are anywhere near deserving to come back at the expense of the remaining queens.

Posted by: LexC 13th January 2019, 05:03 PM

I think the trailer shows all four of the returnees picking a lipstick? (or maybe that's clever editing). Maybe it's some kind of thing where they each chose one queen to put through and the remaining two have to lip sync for their lives to stay in?

Posted by: Joe. 13th January 2019, 05:34 PM

QUOTE(Jack @ Jan 12 2019, 08:00 PM)

Posted by: Liаm 13th January 2019, 05:46 PM

Yeah that's my problem with them harping on and on about taking track records into account, it's a bit foggy as it is with a few of them on the same/similar level, let alone when the judges actually are wrong half the time (100% Monet should have been bottom instead of Valentina for Snatch Game and instead of Farrah in the talent show, and I really don't think Naomi or Latrice were worse in the girl group challenge so it should have been one of them top 2 with Valentina). Idk why they act like the judges are the be all and end all, ofc they're there for eliminations but like I said I think Manila is right when she said if you win you make the decision how you want to, I guess it's another reward for winning. It's not always clear who to eliminate based on track records, I'm not 100% on eliminating "threats" either but at least that's a bit dramatic. Every queen always has had a slightly different way of going about it and that's part of the fun!

I'd have probs had:

Week 1:
WIN: Monique, Trinity
High - Gia
Safe: Valentina, Latrice, Naomi
Low: Farrah
Bottom 2: Monet, Jasmine

Week 2
WIN: Valentina, Naomi
High - Latrice
Safe: Monet, Monique, Trinity
Low: Manila (I kinda love her on the studio version though )
Bottom 2: Farrah, Gia

Week 3:
WIN: Manila, Trinity
High: Naomi
Safe: Valentina, Monique
Low: Latrice
Bottom 2: Monet, Gia

Week 4:
WIN: Monique, Manila
High: Valentina
Safe: Naomi
Low: Trinity
Bottom 2: Monet, Latrice

Week 5:
WIN: Manila, Monet
High: Monique
Safe: Valentina
Bottom 2: Trinity, Naomi


As for this returnee twist, seeing as it's lipsync for your life, it's quite convenient that there's a bottom 4 and 4 returnees (I assume Manila and Monet have immunity) so I wonder if it's going to be 4 lipsyncs with them all paired up and whoever wins stays? I doubt that Jasmine, Farrah or Gia would really pose much of a threat to any of the ones left, Latrice could wipe the floor with most of them in a lipsync bar maybe Manila so we'd probably only get her back I don't know where the lipsticks would factor into that though, so idk. I guess they could pick who they go against, but who would choose to go against Trinity in a lipsync, plus what if they picked the same one? We'll see i guess, I agree though I'd be more than fine with none of them coming back. Everyone left is a step up from the ones who've gone, even Naomi or Monet who are probably the weakest for me, so it'd be a shame for any of them to lose out in favour of the eliminated queens. Like, Latrice is a good queen but we all know even she'd last another challenge or two max and would hardly contend for the win. I'm fine for this twist as I'm sure it'll bring drama but I'm good with them just leaving again afterwards

Posted by: Joe. 13th January 2019, 06:08 PM

I think I pretty much agree with all of your placements Liam other than maybe I would have had Monet high over Latrice in week 2. I’d have had Val top 2 in week 4, but I think her messy runway is justifiable to push her down to 3rd.

Posted by: hiadtfawlmthbihi 19th January 2019, 11:14 AM

those lip syncs!!! literally right decisions made all across the board. monique turned it the f*** out tho!!

Posted by: hiadtfawlmthbihi 19th January 2019, 11:14 AM

i'm terrified for manila i think she could go next week based on that preview

Posted by: Conderella 19th January 2019, 11:49 AM

I SCREAMED when Monique revealed that wig. YASSSSSSS *.*

Latrice's outfit was absolutely HORRENDOUS and her twirling was so out of place and weird. I don't understand this decision and she fell down in my rankings HARD after this episode. What's with all the bitterness and acting as if Monet going home was the only viable option ever? :/// Her to go in the next couple of weeks plz.

Also a bit annoyed that Valentina would've gone home had nothing changed and we would've been down to only 4 queens. But instead we have SEVEN now... :|

Posted by: Conderella 19th January 2019, 11:49 AM

outside of the last 2 lip syncs the episode was weak and brought nothing to the table.

no thank u, next

Posted by: Jack 19th January 2019, 11:56 AM

QUOTE(hiadtfawlmthbihi @ Jan 19 2019, 11:14 AM)

i'm terrified for manila i think she could go next week based on that preview

Posted by: Joe. 19th January 2019, 12:43 PM

Naomi Smalls went and gave us the best god damn lip sync of the season.

I enjoyed them all actually, I think Gia did great, Trintiy did good but not her best, Valentina turned it out given she had the hardest song, Monique and Latrice were great, but Latrice’s runway was hideous.

Posted by: PaulM1983 19th January 2019, 02:01 PM

Correct decisions made all round, apart from the last one. I would have sent Latrice packing.

She represents nothing about modern drag at all. That runway outfit was beyond disgusting and her lip sync wasn't anything to get excited about. To me, Monique won that by a country mile.

Posted by: Liаm 19th January 2019, 03:36 PM

It felt a bit pointless to be honest, the only lipsync where they both really brought it was Gia and Naomi, which should've been the double shante tbh although Gia ofc would have been straight back out of the door next week (not that Latrice probably won't ). I've always found Latrice a bit overrated in a 7/10 fine in her own way sort of way. Very dated, and that's fine at her own show or hosting a night but it really shows but she's up against the likes of Monique, Valentina, Manila and Trinity who in their own ways represent where drag could be going, it really shows. Manila is of the older "generation" of Drag Race alumni (for want of a better word) but still feels like something new and unique. Latrice doesn't bring anything we haven't seen already twice from her and many times from other queens, and it's really her time to go. To have what is essentially a fourth shot.... In my eyes, Monique slaughtered her. Not quite as much as Val/Farrah and Trinity/Jasmine, although you can tell Jush was really not bothered about coming back and Farrah just isn't good enough.

The next challenge looks a bit odd, nice to have something new/different but I'm gonna be so so pissed if Manila goes on another weird new challenge (Queens Behaving Badly in AS1). If she's bottom 2, I feel like most of them will send her home :/ I'd be more than happy with Trinity winning this whole thing if she can't, but I think Manila coming what would essentially be 7th would be on the same level as Shangela missing top 2 because of that horrendous jury twist.

Posted by: Cucumberella 19th January 2019, 04:10 PM

latrice was saying ‘i’m in my battle costume’ are you at war with sofa swatches?!?!

Posted by: Cucumberella 19th January 2019, 04:11 PM

this has done such a bad return for latrice - i love her but she’s literally brought NOTHING new to the season apart from her teeth

Posted by: Liаm 19th January 2019, 04:15 PM

Exactly!! People are going on about Valentina or Monique's delusion, but at least at points they have brought it and the former is hilarious. Latrice is really up in here thinking the same gown she's worn for 3 seasons and playing herself in comedy/acting challenges is "the future of drag"....

Posted by: Envoirment 22nd January 2019, 12:31 AM

I loved the last episode. Gia vs Naomi was amazing and I loved Latrice vs Monique as well. Farrah did better than I thought she would too! I loved the drama and everything *_* I'm hoping that Latrice or Naomi get a rudemption story line from next week onwards. They need to win a challenge or two to get back in the competition properly. The competition is too close for me to call it, especially now we're back to all stars rules. Manila and Monique are the frontrunners but I don't think Monet/Naomi/Valentina are that far behind really. Latrice is dead last and unless she pulls something of the bag soon I can see her going home next week or the week after.

Posted by: PaulM1983 22nd January 2019, 08:21 AM

QUOTE(Envoirment @ Jan 22 2019, 12:31 AM)

Posted by: Joe. 22nd January 2019, 09:43 AM

Monet is getting a shining edit but she's actually one of the worst in the competition I think. She bombed week 1, 3 and 4 (was very lucky to escape the bottom 2 2/3 of those times), she won for a roast that wasn't even funny, most of her runways have been consistently the worst. But I feel like the producers want her to win or at least make the final.

In the same way I think Naomi and Valentina are doing better than the edit is making out too.

For me, in terms of talent actually shown, disregarding the judges messy choices (I've kind of stopped taking on board the judges choices since AS3 as they just got weirder and weirder), this is how I'd rank them;

Trinity / Manila tied
Valentina / Naomi
Monique
Monet
Latrice

Posted by: Vülker 22nd January 2019, 09:43 AM

I don't think Monique is a frontrunner at all. She has two wins, yes, but also two bottoms.

Manila has 3 wins, 0 bottoms.
Monét has 2 wins, 1 bottom.
Trinity has 2 wins, 1 bottom.

So realistically Monique is currently more in the middle of the pack.

Posted by: Conderella 22nd January 2019, 10:01 AM

that Monet hate tho~ she's not THAT bad. and her roast WAS funny guuurrr, it's silly to think it wasn't. yeah there was a patient zero joke we've all heard before but the rest was on point

Posted by: PaulM1983 22nd January 2019, 10:08 AM

QUOTE(Joe. @ Jan 22 2019, 09:43 AM)

Posted by: Joe. 22nd January 2019, 10:50 AM

QUOTE(Conderella @ Jan 22 2019, 10:01 AM)

Posted by: blacksquare 22nd January 2019, 11:17 AM

The roasts were truly shocking outside of Monet and Manilla, which made them seem much stronger in comparison.

I don't think Monet is bad - she had her moments during that episode especially - but the majority of what she has shown in All Stars has been underwhelming. It's the downside of throwing yourself into another season without having much time to progress. She's a funny queen who, despite there being comedy challenges most weeks, has only succeeded in one.

Naomi has been overlooked throughout the season (her Snatch Game moment was top 2 worthy). Valentina hasn't been anywhere near as bad as the rankings would suggest. She should have been in the top for Jersey Justice, and only in the bottom for the roast (although Trinity and Naomi were worse).

If you ignore how they've ranked then they've all performed similarly. Up and down.

Posted by: Liаm 22nd January 2019, 11:19 AM

Monique's bottoms were questionable, for the girl group challenge it probably should have been Gia instead (perhaps Manila) = I suppose the actual way she went about the performance and the Aaaliyah coat weren't the best but I loved the actual verse. The roast bottom 4 was kinda bullshit as despite some of the jokes maybe getting lost and there not being as much time to breathe, she was clearly ahead of the others (yet also behind Manila/Monet for sure). But I guess all of that is just an opinion, that's why I'm a bit iffy on them being so hung up on track records when eliminating, because the judges just don't get it right enough.

It'd probs be this for me:

Manila/Trinity
Monique/Valentina - both with worse track records which do have to be taken into account, but I feel like they have *it* for sure plus Valentina's bottom for Snatch Game was absolute bullshit and one of the most bizarre decisions ever tbh.
Naomi - I don't quite agree with this whole "robbed" narrative, I don't think she's THAT great aside from a solid Snatch Game and she should have been top 2 over Monet in the girl group challenge. This week's lipsync was very good but not as life-changingly amazing as gay Twitter hyping her up for long legs would have you believe I am impressed with how s he's doing and proving herself in a couple of comedy/performance challenges rather than just being a fashion queen, but I think she's not being shown because.... there's just not as much there as the others tbh.
Monet - I agree, not quite as bad as people make out and I do see flashes of the Monet from Season 10 but she was incredibly lucky not to be bottom for Snatch Game and the talent show.








Latrice

Posted by: Joe. 22nd January 2019, 11:27 AM

Tea on both accounts blacksquare & Liam

Monique & Valentina being bottom in the roast was so that the twist would work for the next episode though. Monique was okay. (Valentina did do bad, but Trinity and Naomi absolutely bombed it).

Posted by: blacksquare 22nd January 2019, 11:27 AM

QUOTE(Liаm @ Jan 22 2019, 11:19 AM)

Monique's bottoms were questionable, for the girl group challenge it probably should have been Gia instead (perhaps Manila) = I suppose the actual way she went about the performance and the Aaaliyah coat weren't the best but I loved the actual verse. The roast bottom 4 was kinda bullshit as despite some of the jokes maybe getting lost and there not being as much time to breathe, she was clearly ahead of the others (yet also behind Manila/Monet for sure). But I guess all of that is just an opinion, that's why I'm a bit iffy on them being so hung up on track records when eliminating, because the judges just don't get it right enough.

It'd probs be this for me:

Manila/Trinity
Monique/Valentina - both with worse track records which do have to be taken into account, but I feel like they have *it* for sure plus Valentina's bottom for Snatch Game was absolute bullshit and one of the most bizarre decisions ever tbh.
Naomi - I don't quite agree with this whole "robbed" narrative, I don't think she's THAT great aside from a solid Snatch Game and she should have been top 2 over Monet in the girl group challenge. This week's lipsync was very good but not as life-changingly amazing as gay Twitter hyping her up for long legs would have you believe I am impressed with how s he's doing and proving herself in a couple of comedy/performance challenges rather than just being a fashion queen, but I think she's not being shown because.... there's just not as much there as the others tbh.
Monet - I agree, not quite as bad as people make out and I do see flashes of the Monet from Season 10 but she was incredibly lucky not to be bottom for Snatch Game and the talent show.
Latrice

Posted by: Joe. 22nd January 2019, 11:32 AM

QUOTE(blacksquare @ Jan 22 2019, 11:27 AM)

Posted by: Liаm 22nd January 2019, 11:42 AM

100%, Monet and Latrice both kind of just played themselves, at least Monet tried to fit in some Whitney references I guess even if it was a swing and a miss. Latrice just was like "a whole lotta woman" and then just had a strop over Gia for the rest of it so it definitely should have been Latrice/Gia, that would probably given some decent drama too given how self righteous Latrice has been recently.

QUOTE(blacksquare @ Jan 22 2019, 11:27 AM)

Posted by: Conderella 23rd January 2019, 01:04 PM

am I the only one thinking song choices were fixed? pit crew probably had the same song inside their boxes all along. having Sissy that walk for Latrice/Monique and Peanut Butter for Trinity (insert yet another plastic surgery joke :| ) was a bit like 'wow what a shocker'

Posted by: PaulM1983 23rd January 2019, 01:20 PM

QUOTE(Conderella @ Jan 23 2019, 01:04 PM)

Posted by: Conderella 25th January 2019, 12:59 PM

yeah but it doesn't mean it wasn't set up by Rupaul and the production team

Posted by: Addy K!ng 26th January 2019, 02:38 AM

Ugh!

I don't know where to start with all the wrong things that happened in this episode! (I know I am just writing with my emotion lol and not thinking with my brain).

Posted by: Addy K!ng 26th January 2019, 02:48 AM

Ok now for realz.

I didn't know I loved Valentina so much until she got sent home, I feel like she added so much more to the show more than half of what's left.

I understand that she should have give 110% from herself after the last time she was in the bottom and both winners would have sent her home!!!

Anyway, can't wait to find out next week who Trinity picked to send home which in reality she should have been the winner of lipsync, and to beggin with Latrice shouldn't have been the top 2 at all!!! Okay she did a good job in challenge but that runway look was second worst and judges made it sound like she did a fashion statement

Posted by: Joe. 26th January 2019, 09:13 AM

The judges complimenting Monét’s runway was the most baffling part of the epsidoe.

Posted by: Liаm 26th January 2019, 09:29 AM

I'd have probably had Manila top 2 over Latrice based on the runway, plus the fact she seemed to do the whole design pretty much, although I think the comments about her going a bit OTT in the hosting were fair, I'm probably just biased bc I'm so done with Latrice I'm entirely baffled as to how on earth Latrice won that lipsync though?! She basically moved her arms a bit, rolled on the floor a couple of times and apparently that's worth $10k. I know Trinity's whole old lady shtick was bizarre af but she's just not afraid to make herself look stupid or different, and I love that. She always thinks out of the box when it comes to looks and the way she approaches things, it might not have necessarily fit the song but it was way more memorable than Latrice doing what Latrice does every time she performs.

I'm torn on the actual elimination because Valentina overall brings more but I think it was her who brought Club 96 down because Naomi just wanted to get on with it and Valentina as always was just in her own world flouncing around doing whatever she wanted. That's fine, and it's always entertaining, but for the other person it must be frustrating as hell. I think Valentina is one of those who is an absoltue star and a great queen, but on her own terms, not so much when confined to whatever she has to do on the show. But having said that, Naomi is just... there. She gets hyped up so much by fans for what, having long legs?? She's lovely and all, gorgeous, turns looks, but she doesn't have the star power or power to entertain than Trinity, Manila or Monique do for me. I'd have been absolutely fine with her going.

The actual challenge was.... a choice. It just came across like a crap acting challenge, I'm sure it was a lot of fun for the judges and Pit Crew to be there and actually involved, but it didn't come across that well on TV. It felt like it kinda went on forever, and other than it being funny when Latrice couldn't get in the painting gear, it was hardly entertaining to see them painting walls... There seemed to be a lot that went into the challenge, too much really, and all we saw was a glorified advert challenge really. It was hard for us to judge this challenge, because we didn't see everything and we couldn't feel the atmosphere or the way the club came together.

Posted by: Liаm 26th January 2019, 09:33 AM

QUOTE(Joe. @ Jan 26 2019, 09:13 AM)

Posted by: HarryEzra 26th January 2019, 10:24 AM

Lattrice's runway had me GAGGED so so so good

Posted by: Theo. 26th January 2019, 11:41 AM

I am so upset! Valentina really deserved to be up there until the final four, I love Naomi too so I would have been upset either way but Valentina just has the most likeable personality of any of the queens this season, it was sad to see her get so emotional after her elimination

Latrice and Trinity definitely performed the best in the challenge, Manila was a hot mess and she should be thankful she delivered on the runway as always because I think that's the only thing that stopped her being bottom two and Trinity would definitely have eliminated her!

The lipsync was just... there. I don't think either of them turned it out to be honest, why didn't they perform Anywhere/another Rita song??

Posted by: Joe. 26th January 2019, 12:57 PM

Valentina was definitely the right person to go in this episode - she was by far the worst. It’s a shame though because I think she’s had a worse report card than she deserved throughout the season (I think this was the only time I’d have actually said she was one of the worst 2), and she might have gotten a life line if they hadn’t been underselling her for weeks.

Shocked they managed to find compliments for Latrice and even more so Monét’s runway which was easily the worst again.

Posted by: Jack 26th January 2019, 01:13 PM

This is the episode where it's going to go all terribly wrong from now on isn't it?

Posted by: Conderella 26th January 2019, 07:37 PM

Latrice's runway was great but we've seen it before. And she wasn't the best of the night at all. I loved Monet/Monique's club more. They were much more fun whereas Latrinila's vibe was a solo artists forced to work in a group type of thing.

the "club 96" had me laughing constantly, it never got old. and both of them were really fun characters. this episode reminded me a lot about the Nina/Valentina pilot challenge from s09 in a way it ended. Ru gasping and all. but tbh I was also surprised.

Posted by: blacksquare 27th January 2019, 10:55 AM

I found the Manilla edit so funny. The way they edited the shady looks from Trinity and Latrice, as well as the sound effects. So subtle.

"We want you to think she was terrible!"

Posted by: blacksquare 27th January 2019, 10:59 AM

This was the first week where I felt Valentina was obviously the worst - she's had weak moments but there have always been two queens weaker. The season will be a little less watchable now, but judging purely from this episode it was a deserved exit.

Latrice continues to underwhelm me. She wore something we have all seen before - it's only incredible in comparison to the tired terrible looks she's been wearing all season. Monique and Monet lost because of their looks.

Posted by: Conderella 27th January 2019, 05:34 PM

QUOTE(blacksquare @ Jan 27 2019, 01:59 PM)

Posted by: Cucumberella 27th January 2019, 06:46 PM

that had to be the worst lipsync in all seasons of drag race for me

Posted by: Liаm 27th January 2019, 07:39 PM

QUOTE(blacksquare @ Jan 27 2019, 10:59 AM)

QUOTE(Conderella @ Jan 27 2019, 05:34 PM)

Posted by: Joe. 27th January 2019, 07:55 PM

Latrice clearly won this episode for a ‘Latrice is back’ narrative. It’s so obvious that the tops and bottoms have been narrative driven rather than talent this season.

Posted by: Conderella 28th January 2019, 12:07 AM

QUOTE(Cucumberella @ Jan 27 2019, 09:46 PM)

Posted by: blacksquare 28th January 2019, 12:22 AM

QUOTE(Cucumberella @ Jan 27 2019, 06:46 PM)

Posted by: Cucumberella 28th January 2019, 12:29 AM

i think the reason it's the worst for me is that whilst latrice did it earnestly but didn't actually do ANYTHING, and trinity, whilst she did go for it, did such a horribly mismatched job that it left me feeling cold. the song choice was absolutely fantastic, and they both murdered it completely, and ru was supposed to give them money? ok.

the only other one that really rivals it for me is farrah vs. cynthia doing 'woman up', and at least half of that was down to the song being terrible. plus if it was that bad they'd both get the boot.

Posted by: Cucumberella 28th January 2019, 12:33 AM

QUOTE(Conderella @ Jan 28 2019, 12:07 AM)

Posted by: HarryEzra 28th January 2019, 08:33 AM

I don't get the hate for lattrice's runway it blew my mind and honestly was so elevated for her.

Posted by: blacksquare 28th January 2019, 09:13 AM

QUOTE(HarryEzra @ Jan 28 2019, 08:33 AM)

Posted by: Joe. 28th January 2019, 09:46 AM

QUOTE(Cucumberella @ Jan 28 2019, 12:33 AM)

Posted by: Liаm 28th January 2019, 10:17 AM

100% agreed, it was only good because it was a miracle to see her something other than a stoned gown It took that long to do something else, and I can imagine next time she'll be a bit complacent and big headed over her win and be back to her usual safe comfort zone.

As for Naomi, I think she's one of those on the cusp of being good on her season and great for All Stars, she's great in her own way and lovely and everything but she just gets drowned out net to the likes of Manila, Monique and Trinity who are huge personalities and easily shine. In saying that, she has done really well to show she has improved, nobody would have expected Naomi from Season 8 to be high in Snatch Game or make herself look silly in a bizarre performance like her talent show. She's got the makeover and presumably a ball coming so she can definitely be proud of her run on All Stars, but she is far from deserving to win or anything.

Posted by: Joe. 28th January 2019, 11:01 AM

I’m gutted we don’t get Valentina for the ball and makeover challenges and have to suffer multiple Monet and Latrice looks instead.

Posted by: blacksquare 28th January 2019, 11:54 AM

QUOTE(Joe. @ Jan 28 2019, 11:01 AM)

Posted by: Joe. 28th January 2019, 02:32 PM

QUOTE(blacksquare @ Jan 28 2019, 11:54 AM)

Posted by: Slick 28th January 2019, 06:37 PM

Valentina was my Queen to win so I'm horrified that she's gone (fully feel like this was her time to go though since she had become so lazy and deluded or at least according to the show's infamous ""edit"".)

I am fully TEAM NAOMI now, although I will except a Trinity or a Manila win.

I love Latrice but OUT OUT OUT asap pls.

Posted by: LouisBB 28th January 2019, 07:04 PM

We have 3 makeover challenge winners and 2 who landed in the bottom on it (and Monique x) so the results of the episode SHOULD be obvious but with AS people seem to often fail and excel at different things than they did in their first season

Posted by: Liаm 28th January 2019, 08:30 PM

Given how they're loving their narratives this season, I'm fully expecting Monet to be top 2 to redeem herself from season 10, with like 20 confessionals about she needs this and has something to prove

Posted by: Adam 30th January 2019, 06:53 AM

There is no way Monet's runway was worse than Monique's, it wasn't perfect, but from the chest up it was completely stunning to me!

Posted by: RobBob 2nd February 2019, 02:29 AM

I'm starting to get concerned Monet is going to win this. I would genuinely have had her in the bottom with Latrice this week and instead she... won? I can accept her being 4th best as Manila's outfits were a bit sloppy but there's no way she was in the top 2. With that Casper the Ghost looking ass make-up? Over Trinity's STUNNING look and by far the best family resemblance. Really???

As for the decision... I can't. She really should not have gone over Latrice, I do not understand.

Posted by: Jack 2nd February 2019, 08:36 AM

This series has been a f***ing mess, and Drag Race has gone way donehill recently with messy decisions and trying to push an agenda on to us. I will still watch it but it definitely doesn't have the same magic/excitement it once had.

Posted by: ElectroBoy 2nd February 2019, 09:23 AM

The concept of All Stars is great... however the series' always descend into a mess.

Posted by: Joe. 2nd February 2019, 09:48 AM

It’s too soon to talk about the loss of Manila but I’m mostly mad that Trinity wasn’t top 2? How was Monét top 2? Why do they KEEP over praising Monet? Trintiy was leagues above everyone else.

Posted by: Conderella 2nd February 2019, 10:21 AM

I'm GAGGED! Genuinely screamed when Naomi revealed the lipstick. I was sure it would be Latrice as she's there on borrowed time at this point.

Manila and Valentina 6th and 7th respectively. That's pretty ridiculous but as long as Monique gets further I'm good :')

Naomi slayed this challenge AND that lipsync! HOLY. SHIT. Was that incredible!

Posted by: Liаm 2nd February 2019, 11:17 AM

I've never been this mad at a Drag Race eliminaton

It's easy to say when it's your fave inthe bottom, but that was just a whole other level of bs How are they gonna spend all series harping on about track record and then send home the front runner?? I've got even less time for Naomi than I ever did, you shouldn't have to send home the best in order to win. Like Trinity said, to be an All Star you beat the best. However, she did SLAY the challenge and absolutely murdered the lipsync, so fair enough, absolutely she was the winner. But Monet.... I genuinely would have had her bottom with Latrice, Patty's make-up alone Manila's look did seem a bit thrown together and it was a huge step down from the elaborately campy looks we've seen all season, but they both looked good. Bottom 2 wasn't a huge stretch, but going certainly was, and Monet top 2 over Trinity is the biggest stretch I've seen on Drag Race, choices. That lipsync was embarrassing too, I think she was trying to be poised and understated but Judy Garland is hardly the time to be understated, Naomi really went for it and buried her.

It's an absolute mess that this happens every time, I think it should just be normal Drag Race rules. It's not even drama half of the time, it's just ridiculous and transparent with very odd decisions. To be horrendously cynical, it feels like they decided ages ago that Monet was going to win and have to craft a narrative to make it look like she deserved it. They aren't fooling anybody, it was bad enough that she dodged bottom for the talent show and Snatch Game, but to get a win when really there was a case for bottom 2... It's the most blatant building of a narrative I've seen on this show and I feel like she'll win now too As a queen, I like Monet more than Naomi tbh but this run on AS4 has been average at best, with a track record the judges have inflated to being maybe worthy of winning.

Posted by: Theo. 2nd February 2019, 11:39 AM

I'm just... gagged. And not in a good way. Manila definitely doesn't have the best personality (I love her but she will always be a bitch based on her behaviour in season 3) but there is absolutely no way that she deserves to go over Latrice. I'm actually gutted for her, after Valentina going last week, this is probably my least favourite final 5 in All Stars since the first season. I love Naomi, and she was by far and away the best this episode, but she must know that what she did was wrong.

Posted by: blacksquare 2nd February 2019, 11:41 AM

QUOTE(Liаm @ Feb 2 2019, 11:17 AM)

I've never been this mad at a Drag Race eliminaton

It's easy to say when it's your fave inthe bottom, but that was just a whole other level of bs How are they gonna spend all series harping on about track record and then send home the front runner?? I've got even less time for Naomi than I ever did, you shouldn't have to send home the best in order to win. Like Trinity said, to be an All Star you beat the best. However, she did SLAY the challenge and absolutely murdered the lipsync, so fair enough, absolutely she was the winner. But Monet.... I genuinely would have had her bottom with Latrice, Patty's make-up alone Manila's look did seem a bit thrown together and it was a huge step down from the elaborately campy looks we've seen all season, but they both looked good. Bottom 2 wasn't a huge stretch, but going certainly was, and Monet top 2 over Trinity is the biggest stretch I've seen on Drag Race, choices. That lipsync was embarrassing too, I think she was trying to be poised and understated but Judy Garland is hardly the time to be understated, Naomi really went for it and buried her.

It's an absolute mess that this happens every time, I think it should just be normal Drag Race rules. It's not even drama half of the time, it's just ridiculous and transparent with very odd decisions. To be horrendously cynical, it feels like they decided ages ago that Monet was going to win and have to craft a narrative to make it look like she deserved it. They aren't fooling anybody, it was bad enough that she dodged bottom for the talent show and Snatch Game, but to get a win when really there was a case for bottom 2... It's the most blatant building of a narrative I've seen on this show and I feel like she'll win now too As a queen, I like Monet more than Naomi tbh but this run on AS4 has been average at best, with a track record the judges have inflated to being maybe worthy of winning.

Posted by: blacksquare 2nd February 2019, 11:43 AM

I'm surprised there is praise for Naomi on Twitter for her choice. Why? It was a mess and so transparent.

Posted by: LouisBB 2nd February 2019, 11:52 AM

I actually really wouldn’t have minded if Naomi was like
I want to win, and I’m going to do whatever it takes to win and get the strongest competitor out of the way, it’s a competition and game

But she didn’t, she just eliminated her and didn’t even make it an iconic moment so she just seems like insecure now

Posted by: Joe. 2nd February 2019, 11:54 AM

QUOTE(blacksquare @ Feb 2 2019, 11:43 AM)

Posted by: blacksquare 2nd February 2019, 12:00 PM

QUOTE(Joe. @ Feb 2 2019, 11:54 AM)

Posted by: Liаm 2nd February 2019, 12:01 PM

For some reason, Naomi can suddenly do no wrong because she bent over backwards in a lipsync... The newer generation of fans seem to think that looking like a model is the utmost quality for a queen.

I hope for ONCE they get the right winner, it has to be Trinity now. I don't care if "white blonde queens always win", it was Manila then her then the rest leagues behind imo. Monique I do love but she's not up there to win an All Stars series, I have LOVED seeing her improve and show what she can do though and she can definitely be proud of what she's done this series.

QUOTE(LouisBB @ Feb 2 2019, 11:52 AM)

Posted by: LouisBB 2nd February 2019, 01:02 PM

Even ignoring the elimination this episode was a bit crap. Now that we’ve had so many Make over episodes when they don’t have something special or different about them it just feels like an episode with only a sub par runway.
The only thing I’d really be interested in now is them making over past queens

I’ve been disagreeing with all the Monet is being over hyped by the judges comments but my god it’s impossible to deny this episode. I honestly thought this was worse than her S10 Make over. (Low key makes up for her being slightly robbed last week but i believe she should’ve been B2 this week with Latrice). And her Lipsync was dreadful!!

Posted by: Conderella 2nd February 2019, 02:44 PM

at the same time it was Naomi's decision and she did what she thought was the right thing to do in her position, be it to advance in this competition or just save someone who saved her. it f***ing sucks that Manila went home and I totally think it's a mistake purely from a VIEWER perspective but Naomi shouldn't be getting a backlash for her decision (which I think many of y'all are implying?...) given these are the rules of the game...

people need to chill, it's just a game

01 Monique
02 Naomi
03 Trinity
04 Monet
05 Latrice

as long as this Top 3 gets to the final 4 I'm good really

Posted by: Conderella 2nd February 2019, 02:57 PM

QUOTE(Liаm @ Feb 2 2019, 03:01 PM)

Posted by: Joe. 2nd February 2019, 03:11 PM

I still ADORE Naomi and she’s one of my favs but I also think her choice to do that was confusing as hell, and in bad spirits. All it’ll do is change her from 5th to 4th. Is it really worth becoming way more disliked in the fanbase and making Manila even more adored (not that that’s a bad thing). I’d kind of see the logic of Trintiy did it, but yeah. I LIVE for Miss Smalls. But no.

Posted by: Conderella 2nd February 2019, 04:25 PM

when someone is expected to make a choice between 2 completely legit options, there's no wrong answer. I really REALLY don't think Naomi was like 'oh let's f*** this shit up and send that bitch home because she looked at me wrong that one time, let the twitter hate towards me commence!'. I think all queens realise the power of angry twitter fanboiz and wouldn't go out of their own way to piss off that bunch. but still all this drama will die off very soon. maybe that's why they do regular seasons right after AS - in case something controversial happens since producers don't have 100% control over what happens.

Posted by: Kehlindsey 2nd February 2019, 05:15 PM

I'm really pissed at this and generally gutted because Manila was my fave and I don't think she deserved to be in the bottom two let alone be sent home. She should have won last week as well like that entire club concept would have been nothing with out her vision?? I am so over this Latrice bias... like she shouldn't have even been brought back again, she wasn't even deserving of her win last week, it feels like this whole narrative has been shaped to fit her journey and I won't be surprised if she wins. She's undoubtedly the most undeserving queen still left, like fair enough shes a legend outside of the show but she's been shit on this so far whilst others have really excelled themselves and proven that they deserve to be there for what the can do, not just their reputation.

Naomi I actually did like, she's very likeable and does have good looks but I do understand what Liam is saying, she is a bit surface level/one dimensional in comparison to like Manila and Trinity that are a lot more talented well rounded. The decision to send her biggest competitor home was a cheap one and it just speaks volumes that she knows shes not as strong and couldn't beat them herself. I'd have more respect for her if she'd acknowledged that as people do root for the underdog. It's fine to be tactical but in an instance where you've literally got a choice between the best and the worst of the bunch this late in the game, that was not the time to do that. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if she was told by Ru/Whoever to pick Manila just for the controversy of it and to put Latrice that little bit closer to the crown.

Monet I love but she's a bit out of her depth now, that makeup on her friend was god awful and so much worse than the attempt that got her booted last time, she should have been in the bottom with Latrice with Manila or Trinity winning. I think the judges have been so unfair to Manila these past couple of weeks as well, it's almost like they were trying to justify her elimination before it happened which is also why I'm suspicious of just how much of Naomis choice was actually hers.

Trinity to win now pls x

Posted by: Liаm 2nd February 2019, 05:20 PM

It just doesn't sit right with me to "play the game" like that, like I said if you're really good enough to win All Stars then you shouldn't have to oust the competition to do it. And even if she has cut the biggest competition, Naomi is not. She's definitely stepped it up, in ways that she would never have done in S8, but she's still got a way to go and I just don't get the mass appeal this time around SO much more than last time.

Obviously it's up to whoever wins but that doesn't mean I am going to respect it. Manila seems fine about it and maybe I'm being a bit harsh on Naomi but it's just the most ridiculous elimination and it's really brought down AS4 as a whole which was going really well

Posted by: Conderella 2nd February 2019, 08:31 PM

there's a screenshot going around that shows who Monet wanted to eliminate and it's also Manila! ooooooooops

Posted by: Addy K!ng 2nd February 2019, 09:24 PM

Damn it. This season just went into toilette even further from last episode.

I hope Trinity doesn't "mess" up (speaking from judges view since they've been very off with their judging) in next episode and end up bottom two because whoever wins is sending her home!!!

It just feels like they (producers, rupaul etc etc) are looking to crown someone who isn't blonde after 3 blonde crowned queens:lol:.

1. Trinity
2. Naomi
3. Monique
4. Monet
5. Latrice

Posted by: Addy K!ng 2nd February 2019, 09:27 PM

Also let's not forget that week when Manila was going to send home whoever was against her best friend Latrice, and that wasn't fair either...so I kinda feel Manilla did some damage to her reputation and karma came back!!!

Posted by: Joe. 2nd February 2019, 10:37 PM

QUOTE(Addy K!ng @ Feb 2 2019, 09:27 PM)

Posted by: Jack 2nd February 2019, 10:49 PM

I don't think I've seen such hate for a elimination and rightly so! Just f*** this bullshit All Stars rules and actually judge who's the best then maybe we can get back on board.

I don't think I'll be watching new All Stars though, especially as I fear E***Ka would be on the next one.

Posted by: Cucumberella 2nd February 2019, 10:51 PM

ohhhhh my goodness

the tone of the room when manila got eliminated! everyone honestly looked sheepish and embarrassed that she was going home. total guilt!

that being said though, naomi’s lipsync had me absolutely gobsmacked. i didn’t know she had that in her!!!

Posted by: Joe. 2nd February 2019, 10:53 PM

QUOTE(Jack @ Feb 2 2019, 10:49 PM)

Posted by: kye 3rd February 2019, 01:42 AM

i'm glad naomi sent manila home, i didn't rate her + hated her superior attitude. she's seasoned but trinity's overall facade is much more appealing to me.

plus, it was justice/payback for manila winning snatch game of love when naomi's wendy wiped the floor with her barbra. trinity to win though or the whole season's a travesty.

Posted by: Liаm 3rd February 2019, 02:54 AM

QUOTE(Joe. @ Feb 2 2019, 10:37 PM)

Posted by: HarryEzra 3rd February 2019, 03:44 AM

Well....we love hypocrite race

Posted by: AdamAloud 3rd February 2019, 08:56 AM

Why should it go on track record though? It makes the eliminations so boring to watch when you know who's on that lipstick. I'm not a Drag Race super fan so maybe that's why I'm not as bothered by Manila's elimination, and whilst she would've been a deserving winner, Trinity, Naomi and Monique have entertained me just as much as a viewer. I admire Naomi for having the balls to flip the same old script and do it with her head held high and no fake tears.

Posted by: LMLou 3rd February 2019, 09:58 AM

I agree with a lot of the comments but I don’t see how Valentina deserved to be top 3/4 over all the queens left bar Latrice
She only really done well in 2 challenges, whereas Monique and Monet have done well in about 3 or 4
I’d argue the only challenge where Valentina out preformed Monique was he girl group challenge, even without editing making it feel different

Posted by: Joe. 3rd February 2019, 11:11 AM

QUOTE(LMLou @ Feb 3 2019, 09:58 AM)

Posted by: Liаm 3rd February 2019, 12:13 PM

QUOTE(AdamAloud @ Feb 3 2019, 08:56 AM)

QUOTE(Joe. @ Feb 3 2019, 11:11 AM)

Posted by: Conderella 3rd February 2019, 12:29 PM

QUOTE(AdamAloud @ Feb 3 2019, 11:56 AM)

QUOTE(Liаm @ Feb 3 2019, 03:13 PM)

Because then what's the point of doing challenges, working hard or fighting to stay in? I don't think it should be necessarily be totally stringently only judged on track record with no wiggle room at all, because it's subjective and the judges have made some bizarre decisions plus there are times when it's blurred a bit but when it's as blatant as Manila being the frontrunner and Latrice being by far the worst, that's when it gets a bit ridiculous.

Posted by: Liаm 3rd February 2019, 01:00 PM

Lmao nowhere did I say anything like that... It's not that it should be "fair" as such, but this is really an extreme when the bottom 2 had such a disparity (not just on track record, within the episode too (Manila's was weak but Latrice's was downright ugly, I get that that's just my opinion but still). I don't see what's dramatic or entertaining about seeing the likes of Naomi and Latrice pretty much coast to top 5, like wow well done Naomi you're not 4th out of 5 instead of 5th out of 6 The lipsync for your legacy thing has been getting kinda tired for a while but this just reaffirmed that. There's been some pretty weak lipsyncs which hasn't helped, but that was a problem in AS3 too, idk why $10k isn't enough of a push to win one, I at least have to applaud Naomi for that.

Posted by: Jack 3rd February 2019, 01:00 PM

I think it's very different and uncomparable to shows like BB. It's a show based on talent such as ANTM, and should be treated as one where that's how they are judged and how they are sent home.

I'm more annoyed at the editing / judging / format of All Stars more than anything tbh. I've never truly enjoyed a All Stars series to its fullest because the actual star of the show never wins (soz Trixie and Alaska fans). And yes this is my opinion, it's bothering that you have to add that at the end of a post

Posted by: LMLou 3rd February 2019, 01:14 PM

QUOTE(Joe. @ Feb 3 2019, 11:11 AM)

Posted by: Joe. 3rd February 2019, 01:33 PM

The list was more in comparison to Monet. I do love Monique - her and Asia were by far my favourites in season 10. I agree she may be slightly above Valentina in terms of performance, but has come across a little less polished to me. I think Monique has been fantastic given how soon she came into All Stars but for example her mug has looked dodgy throughout the season.

Posted by: Conderella 3rd February 2019, 01:36 PM

QUOTE(Liаm @ Feb 3 2019, 04:00 PM)

Lmao nowhere did I say anything like that... It's not that it should be "fair" as such, but this is really an extreme when the bottom 2 had such a disparity (not just on track record, within the episode too (Manila's was weak but Latrice's was downright ugly, I get that that's just my opinion but still). I don't see what's dramatic or entertaining about seeing the likes of Naomi and Latrice pretty much coast to top 5, like wow well done Naomi you're not 4th out of 5 instead of 5th out of 6 The lipsync for your legacy thing has been getting kinda tired for a while but this just reaffirmed that. There's been some pretty weak lipsyncs which hasn't helped, but that was a problem in AS3 too, idk why $10k isn't enough of a push to win one, I at least have to applaud Naomi for that.

Posted by: PaulM1983 3rd February 2019, 02:07 PM

I have many feelings about the last episode, mostly that Monet was one of the most undeserving challenge winners we've seen yet. Honestly, the make up and outfit on her Judy was...unforgiving to say the least. From the pasty white face to the tights, good lord above it was horrific. I can't fathom how that was top 2, other than to deliberately even out the win numbers and not have one clear, outright candidate for the crown. And obviously that person is Trinity.

Trinity won this week, hands down. That makeover was stunning. The hair, the make up, the outfit - all absolutely flawless. But giving her the 4th win at this stage would have been as good as ending it early.

I'm baffled by the need to force us to think Monet is better than she is. Yes, she's funny. But come on now, as far as her looks go, there's basic, then there's Monet. If she wins this thing, which is looking increasingly possible, it will be an absolute travesty.

Oh, and Naomi's lip sync was absolutely epic. I lived for that and she deserved every cent of that cash tip.

Posted by: kye 3rd February 2019, 02:09 PM

naomi coasting to the top 5.. i have to laugh

Posted by: PaulM1983 3rd February 2019, 02:13 PM

QUOTE(kye @ Feb 3 2019, 02:09 PM)

Posted by: Joe. 3rd February 2019, 02:15 PM

Did anyone think that regardless of how FLAWLESS Naomi looked her Judy looked a little busted?

Posted by: kye 3rd February 2019, 02:17 PM

QUOTE(Joe. @ Feb 3 2019, 02:15 PM)

Posted by: Liаm 3rd February 2019, 02:20 PM

QUOTE(PaulM1983 @ Feb 3 2019, 02:13 PM)

QUOTE(Joe. @ Feb 3 2019, 02:15 PM)

Posted by: PaulM1983 3rd February 2019, 02:21 PM

QUOTE(kye @ Feb 3 2019, 02:17 PM)

QUOTE(Liаm @ Feb 3 2019, 02:20 PM)

To me the fans put a bit too much stock in her Wendy Williams, it was great and certainly top 3 that week but she did lose it as it went on and only picked it back up ending it so strongly with the fall. I mean she could have been top 2 but Manila and Trinity were better for me and made me laugh more. In terms of embodying Wendy she was better than Manila but I found the Barbra caricature so randomly hilarious

Posted by: Joe. 3rd February 2019, 02:34 PM

I thought Manila’s Judy and Trintiy’s Judy’s both were beat!

Posted by: Addy K!ng 3rd February 2019, 02:42 PM

QUOTE(PaulM1983 @ Feb 3 2019, 04:07 PM)

Posted by: Joe. 3rd February 2019, 02:50 PM

Trinity
Naomi
Monique
Manila
Monet
Latrice

That’s how I rank this week’s.

Posted by: PaulM1983 3rd February 2019, 02:53 PM

QUOTE(Joe. @ Feb 3 2019, 02:34 PM)

QUOTE(Joe. @ Feb 3 2019, 02:50 PM)

Trintiy
Naomi
Monique
Manila
Monet
Latrice

That’s how I rank this week’s.

Posted by: Martyn 3rd February 2019, 03:58 PM

The weird thing is Monet seems to be buying her own feedback. And that she deserves and needs a top placement.

Posted by: Cucumberella 3rd February 2019, 05:28 PM

QUOTE(Martyn @ Feb 3 2019, 03:58 PM)

Posted by: Envoirment 3rd February 2019, 07:03 PM

Sad to see Manila go but.... I'm not really that bothered? I was glad to see Naomi get a challenge win and she did really well. I thought Naomi/Monet were the right top 2 - Monet's Judy performance with Patti was the best one and the reason she won over Trinity imo.

I'm honestly hoping Naomi's top 2 next week with Trinity bottom 2 and she sends Trinity home. I kinda love the drama that last episode evoked with Manila's elimination.

I'm not sure who's going to win after Manila's exit now. Trinity is the front runner but if she ends up safe/bottom next week and Monique/Monet top 2 then it'll be pretty close between those 3.

Posted by: Addy K!ng 3rd February 2019, 09:55 PM

QUOTE(Envoirment @ Feb 3 2019, 09:03 PM)

Posted by: Joe. 3rd February 2019, 10:10 PM

QUOTE(Envoirment @ Feb 3 2019, 07:03 PM)

Posted by: Conderella 3rd February 2019, 10:13 PM

to be sent home she will need to get to the bottom 2 first. which will lower her average based on the judges' rankings. quite ironic~

Posted by: Conderella 3rd February 2019, 10:14 PM

QUOTE(Joe. @ Feb 4 2019, 01:10 AM)

Posted by: Joe. 3rd February 2019, 10:16 PM

I’m here for a gag every now and then, but I think enough is enough after the last episode - the seaosns’ Shock quota is filled. I do think it should be a game where the best wins, not the silent Assain takes out the best for good TV.

(Saying that i wouldn’t have been against Naomi winning, she is my favourite remaining, but I’d rather she won by beating the best rather than taking Morgan McMichaels’ advice).

Posted by: Conderella 3rd February 2019, 10:21 PM

why can't eliminating someone who was worse than you (i.e. you beat them) in a challenge count as 'beating the best'~

this is all stars, no room for error whatsoever

Posted by: Liаm 3rd February 2019, 10:24 PM

QUOTE(Conderella @ Feb 3 2019, 10:21 PM)

Posted by: Joe. 3rd February 2019, 10:25 PM

!

Posted by: Envoirment 3rd February 2019, 10:32 PM

QUOTE(Joe. @ Feb 3 2019, 10:10 PM)

Posted by: Joe. 3rd February 2019, 10:35 PM

I think it should be the same format but the winner of the lip sync wins the 10k but doesn’t have to eliminate anyone and the loser of the lip sync (second place that week) HAS to reveal their lipstick. I think that could change the dynamic a lot and make for some even more interesting lip syncs.

Posted by: Jack 3rd February 2019, 10:54 PM

QUOTE(Conderella @ Feb 3 2019, 10:14 PM)

Posted by: Liаm 3rd February 2019, 11:17 PM

QUOTE(Envoirment @ Feb 3 2019, 10:32 PM)

Posted by: Simon. 4th February 2019, 10:34 PM

What are they seeing in Monet?!?! I just don’t see it?

Posted by: cantthinkofaname 5th February 2019, 10:35 AM

QUOTE(Liаm @ Feb 3 2019, 10:24 PM)

Posted by: blacksquare 5th February 2019, 11:26 AM

QUOTE(cantthinkofaname @ Feb 5 2019, 10:35 AM)

Posted by: Liаm 8th February 2019, 07:29 PM

Felicity Huffman is a guest judge this week *.* *.* *.* *.* *.*

Posted by: Martyn 8th February 2019, 10:49 PM

This better not have a 7 year delay going on Now TV this week.

Posted by: Liаm 9th February 2019, 02:41 AM

I'm GOBSMACKED that at top 5 of All Stars, Latrice genuinely came out wearing that That has to be in the top (well, bottom) few most ugly outfits to ever touch that runway. She was actually 3rd best on the challenge for me, so on that metric Naomi should have gone but there is absolutely no forgiving a look like that. Like that was Porkchop/Penny Tration levels....

Monique and Trinity both absolutely killed it this week, the challenge was a bit messy and I feel like those acting challenges are better in teams earlier in the season, this was a it too ambitious but they all did ok bar Naomi I thought, but then Naomi's runway was my second fave behind Monique's which was STUNNING

Has to be one of this week's top 2 for me to win! Monique has already proved so much so much by getting to the final, she's just so warm and hilarious and should be really proud of undoing all those Season 10 mistakes that meant her first go around wasn't as great as she was and should have been. Trinity is just all round fierce, she attacks everything she's given and slays pretty much all of it (just not a roast x), her looks have been incredible this era but she's been hilarious, shady, fair and honest in equal measure. She came so far over Season 9 and she's only coming further now and really should win. I don't care if All Stars "always has white blonde winners", she is the best one there. Just because Trixie won when she probably shouldn't have doesn't mean Trinity should pay for that I just can't shake the feeling that it's going to be Monet...

Posted by: Cucumberella 9th February 2019, 08:44 AM

LATRICES RUNWAY LMAOOOOO

genuinely looked like a bad carnival mural. "you can't TELL me i'm not kitty on this runway darling!!!!"

Posted by: Conderella 9th February 2019, 09:30 AM

Latrice's runway was the most hideous thing I've seen on Drag Race yet. How the f*** was that in any way cat COUTURE adjacent??! I'm SO glad she's gone now. Weakest link by far.

I cannot help but love Naomi now. She's so unapologetically fierce serving you RBF the entire time she's on camera. However becoming slightly less likeable. But that's the thing - it's better to be hated by some people and LOVED by others than coast in the middle and always be kinda forgettable. I'm absolutely LIVING for her.

Still though, Monique to win. She SLAYED this challenge and I couldn't stop laughing. If only her lip-sync was better and she didn't wear that raggedy back-to-S10-habits white outfit. But the sneak peek into the next episode clearly shows that she chose Latrice as well. I don't know why they don't edit those shots out lmao. Second time in a row already!

Posted by: blacksquare 9th February 2019, 11:13 AM

I wish they would save a ball for the last episode before the finale - just a challenge where the queens don't look amateur. The acting challenge was terrible. A weak episode.

Latrice wore one of the worst outfits I have seen in forever and we were robbed of this on the runway:



I get that it's a competition but it just bores me knowing there are better queens not there purely for momentary drama. Naomi was the only one who turned a look.

Posted by: Cucumberella 9th February 2019, 01:56 PM

i also thought monet looked absolutely DREADFUL. the fact she drew a cat nose on during deliberation because she looked like a mouse with a cleft palate before

Posted by: Addy K!ng 9th February 2019, 02:07 PM

Yeah so happy Latrice got clocked about her dress and got sent home. And clearly she is RuPaul's favorite considering her feeling were so hurt when Trinity ruvealed her lipstick

This final is almost perfect, if only Manilla was there instead of Monet and it would have been perfect 4!!!

Trinity slayed the challenge as Kim Cattrall hands down.

Since I have no ultimate fave (Valentina/Manilla) in the game, I am all up for Trinity or Monique to get crowned (maybe slightly hoping more for Monique).

Posted by: Liаm 9th February 2019, 02:09 PM

Omg this isn't meant to sound shady but I got pig at first from the nose and pink colour

Posted by: Addy K!ng 9th February 2019, 02:14 PM

QUOTE(Liаm @ Feb 9 2019, 04:09 PM)

Omg this isn't meant to sound shady but I got pig at first from the nose and pink colour

Posted by: cantthinkofaname 9th February 2019, 04:35 PM

QUOTE(Liаm @ Feb 9 2019, 02:09 PM)

Omg this isn't meant to sound shady but I got pig at first from the nose and pink colour

Posted by: cantthinkofaname 9th February 2019, 04:46 PM

Also for the 0 of you who are interested here's how my dream outcome for AS2 and AS3 would have been:

All-Stars 2:

W1: Coco Montrese out (10th).
W2: Roxxxy Andrews out (9th)
W3: Ginger Minj out.
W4: Tatianna out (8th).
W5: Ginger returns, Phi Phi out. (7th)
W6: Adore DeLano out (6th).
W7: Detox out (5th).
W8: Final Four: Alaska, Alyssa, Ginger & Katya.
- Alyssa Edwards fourth.
- Ginger Minj third.
- Alaska second.
- Katya wins.

All-Stars 3:

W1: Chi Chi DeVayne out (10th).
W2: Kennedy Davenport out (9th).
W3: Milk out (8th).
W4: Trixie Mattel out (7th).
W5: Aja out.
W6: Aja returns, Morgan McMichaels out (6th).
W7: BeBe Zahara Benet out. (5th)
W8: Final Four: Aja, BenDeLaCreme, Shangela & Thorgy Thor.
- Aja fourth.
- Thorgy Thor third.
- Shangela second.
- BenDeLaCreme wins.

Posted by: Doug 10th February 2019, 02:01 AM

QUOTE(cantthinkofaname @ Feb 9 2019, 04:46 PM)

Posted by: Joe. 11th February 2019, 09:59 AM

Th-Thorgy 3rd.......?


Monet's outfit was so hideous. I appreciate that effort, but it was just...SO ugly.

Posted by: blacksquare 11th February 2019, 10:16 AM

QUOTE(Joe. @ Feb 11 2019, 09:59 AM)

Posted by: blacksquare 11th February 2019, 10:17 AM

Katya is my favourite ever queen but Alaska clearly won that season. Alyssa and Tatianna should have been in the top five, with Detox third.

Posted by: Joe. 11th February 2019, 10:21 AM

Yeah, I never really understand the Katya was robbed narrative? Katya is one of my favoruite queens ever and I'm not that keen on Alaska because I found her a bit cold on AS2...but, I've never seen someone come so prepared for Drag Race and kill everything. When I was watching the season I wanted Katya to win because she's more likeable and Alaska pissed me off with her meltdown and sending home Tatiana the second time, but in hindsight, she really did earn that win. Nobody else was even close.

All Stars 2 was almost perfect, but should have gone this way:


W1: Coco Montrese out (10th).
W2: Tati out (9th)
W3: Ginger Minj out.
W4: Alyssa Out
W5: Phi Phi Out, Alyssa and Tati Return. (7th)
Here's where I'd change it a bit:
W6: Tat SAFE, Detox and Roxxxy bottom 2, Roxxxy out.
W7: Tati 5th
W8: Final Four: Alaska, Alyssa, Detox & Katya.
- Alyssa Edwards fourth.
- Detox/Katya third/second
- Alaska wins

Posted by: Liаm 11th February 2019, 10:48 AM

Yeah I really never hugely got the fan cries that AS2 was so unfair, because other than Tati and Alyssa being a place lower than they probably should have been because of Rolaskatox, it was fine. Katya is in my top 3 of all time too but Alaska easily won the season, I was the same at the time and felt a bit eh about how Alaska behaved in the run up to the final with her bottom placement, but the track record speaks for itself. Some people act like Alyssa Trixie-d to the end and Tati and Alyssa won every challenge then got cut as soon as they were bottom

It was a bit of a farce that Roxxxy got to the final just on alliances, but one iffy finalist has absolutely nothing on the mess of AS3.

Posted by: Joe. 11th February 2019, 11:06 AM

Roxxy's runways were my favourite in AS2, so I'm glad she stayed so we got to see them all, at very least.

Posted by: cantthinkofaname 11th February 2019, 11:35 AM

TBH I never said that AS2 was unfair. I was happy with Alaska as the winner even if I would have preferred Katya

But as for AS3 sorrynotsorry Thorgy >>>>>> Trixie by far. Thorgy's exit was the most rigged sh!t I have ever seen in my life. Milk didn't even place in the bottom after THAT "Celine Dion" portrayal (putting her name in quotes because lbr that looked nothing like Celine Dion).

Posted by: ElectroBoy 11th February 2019, 05:26 PM

QUOTE(cantthinkofaname @ Feb 11 2019, 11:35 AM)

TBH I never said that AS2 was unfair. I was happy with Alaska as the winner even if I would have preferred Katya

But as for AS3 sorrynotsorry Thorgy >>>>>> Trixie by far. Thorgy's exit was the most rigged sh!t I have ever seen in my life. Milk didn't even place in the bottom after THAT "Celine Dion" portrayal (putting her name in quotes because lbr that looked nothing like Celine Dion).

Posted by: Liаm 11th February 2019, 08:15 PM

Thorgy's bottom 2 for divas is one of the most bizarre ever, I mean it wasn't top worthy or anything but what more could have been done with Stevie Nicks? It was one of those weeks where nobody was terrible, bar Milk of course, but Thorgy nailed it and did as much as she could.

It didn't seem that big at the time but that did set the tone for AS3, you never know what could have happened had Thorgy been there, kept improving and got a couple of wins. It might have only been two weeks but Milk was very lucky not to go in week 1 let alone week 2! I'm not gonna go for a whole what should have happened thing because say Aja or Thorgy lasted longer, you never know what they would have done in those extra weeks

Posted by: Envoirment 11th February 2019, 10:48 PM

I loved AS2 and the only thing I would change would be Roxxxy going home earlier with Tatianna/Alyssa staying a bit longer. Alaska completely shit all over the competition and Katya though. As much as I love Katya, she couldn't compete with Alaska.

I also agree with the Thorgy love *_* Thorgy was so robbed. I was really annoyed with the way she went. She had so much potential and I was really hoping she would win a couple challenges. My ideal top 4 for AS3 would've been BenDeLaCreme/Shangela/Thorgy/Trixie with Aja coming in 5th.

Happy to see Latrice go home after giving us that dress... The top 4 is strong, but Trinity has the best track record. It'll be interesting to see how the final goes - I heard it's going to be another LYFYL-type format? Although it'll be interesting to see what involvement Chad/Alaska/Trixie will have.

Posted by: Liаm 11th February 2019, 11:10 PM

I haven't seen placement spoilers but I've both of the following in "tea" posts so it will probably be one of them the previous winners decide the top 2 from the challenge which is the same as Read U Wrote U and Kitty Girl, but also that there were two lipsyncs, and the winner of each one goes top 2. The former sounds more All Stars to me and surely with them not being in the competition, the former winners won't rob anyone but knowing All Stars it'll be a case of who's friends with who and some kind of bullshit will go down

Posted by: Jack 12th February 2019, 10:36 PM

Apparently the winner is ----------Monet-----------

Posted by: Conderella 13th February 2019, 12:11 PM

P L E A S E if you have a reaction to a spoiler also use tags. a reaction to a spoiler is a spoiler in itself!! I'm not sure why it's something that needs to be repeated each goddamn year. thanks!

Posted by: Theonix 13th February 2019, 12:16 PM

QUOTE(Conderella @ Feb 13 2019, 12:11 PM)

Posted by: Liаm 13th February 2019, 04:49 PM

I've deleted it now, please in future keep anything to do with spoilers in tags it's hard enough to avoid them without people blatantly putting them in the most obvious spaces

Posted by: Envoirment 13th February 2019, 11:11 PM

I'm just wondering but how is the winner already known? I thought they usually do a taping of all the finalists winning and it's not until the last episode airs that the winner is known? Or is it different for all stars?

Posted by: Liаm 16th February 2019, 02:33 AM

what the f***

Posted by: Addy K!ng 16th February 2019, 02:38 AM

Lol

Anyway, after all the praise thrown towards Monet I was so prepared to see her win.

And camera made sure to show Trinity's insecurities over and over again and overshadowing her entire hard work

Posted by: Envoirment 16th February 2019, 02:45 AM

I thought Monet did better than Trinity in the song and final lip sync. I was happy with the double win tbh - Monet had done really well throughout the competition as well. If Manila hadn't been eliminated, she would've likely won. But this double win between Monet/Trinity is the next best thing - I love both queens.

Posted by: Liаm 16th February 2019, 03:11 AM

It just feels like such a waste of a season, the fact they dragged it for a few weeks where the competition went nowhere with the roast episode having no elimination, then Latrice coming back, then Valentine going as she would have in the roast anyway.... And then to just do whoever was the "actual" winner dirty by having what felt like a rushed tie decsiion just kind of put the cheery on top. It was a great season in places but this just makes it feel pointless. Even if it was actually Monet on the basis of tonight, fine, I think I'd just prefer they did that and actually had a winner. Where was this energy for Shangela?

What dirt does Monet have on the producers?! I totally understand that she won that final "challenge" and lipsync, but it's just the fact that throughout the season, they really hammed up Monet's praise, inflating her track record to fit a narrative. Even tonight, going through all their journeys, it felt like they really went OTT on Monet's praise and I just do not get it, I'm not seeing it. I think she's a great queen and I have nothing against her, but I've really not seen 1/10th of what the judges have been harping on about all season.

The final challenge was HORRENDOUS anyway, they need to stop letting Todrick do these because he is so extra treating it like it's a Beyonce arena show, and what was that mix of Super Queen?! I think anything was gonna be a letdown with that behind it

Posted by: Conderella 16th February 2019, 10:56 AM

what the HELL was that? but I guess I understand why she did it - to avoid controversy. if Trinity was the winner then everyone would be like oh look 4 white blonde winner queens how great. if Monet won then everyone would be like Trinity should've won.

that's why I'm always NOT looking forward to the finale episodes these days. they just feel so rushed and barely bring anything to the table.

I loved this season actually. it had its low points but it was great overall.

seeing Naomi and Monique sashay sucked as they were the 2 I was rooting for but it was obvious this was going to happen from the critiques.

Posted by: 365 16th February 2019, 11:00 AM

A mess. That editing.

Posted by: LMLou 16th February 2019, 11:36 AM

I’d literally rather they brought back like Latrice again and crowned her if it meant we go to avoid that awful edit!
It straight up felt like a Lee Dawson parody episode for the last 3 minutes so embarrassing

Posted by: Jack 16th February 2019, 12:14 PM

This season proved to me that Drag Race is really declining in quality the editing, the judgings, the challenges .... just no. I don't even hate people like Latrice or Monet really, it's not their fault RuPaul favoured them

Posted by: 365 16th February 2019, 12:44 PM

I don’t even think Rupaul favoured Monet, I feel like he was team Trintiy but the producers had other ideas.

Posted by: Theonix 16th February 2019, 06:13 PM

I don't really know what to say about the final. Naomi and Trinity were by far the best in the Super Queen challenge, both looks and performance, although the production was absolutely terrible throughout. They both killed the runway too, whilst Monét and Monique were both just okay in both

From the critiques, it was obvious that Monét was going to be in the final lipsync, so I'll just be grateful that she wasn't outright handed the win, as she did outperform Trinity during the final lipsync, not that it was difficult

Overall, I am glad that this series is finally over, it feels like it's dragged on for far too long and has kind of left me with a sour taste with the way the last 3/4 weeks have gone, after such a promising start. I really hope they wait until at least 2 more regular seasons of Drag Race have happened before bringing it back for All Stars 5

Posted by: cantthinkofaname 16th February 2019, 06:45 PM

What the hell was Monét's outfit in that final lip sync and WHY has no one commented on that? her god damn bra strap was showing which, last I know, was a huge no-no. This really should have been a Naomi v Trinity F2 and I will never budge on that.

Posted by: Addy K!ng 16th February 2019, 08:53 PM

QUOTE(Theonix @ Feb 16 2019, 08:13 PM)

Posted by: Jack 16th February 2019, 10:06 PM

The backlash this series has got in general, I think they will need to put All Stars on the back burner and have a proper rethink.

Posted by: 365 16th February 2019, 10:52 PM

To think Season 8 / AS2 was the last time we had a season with no stupid producer shananigins. We’ve had 4 seasons of stupid last-minute feeling twists since it moved to VH1.

Posted by: Cucumberella 16th February 2019, 11:45 PM

well you say that joe but honestly latrice was looking GORGEOUS, she was giving u four time elimination 25 year extravaganza eleganza curves and swerves, the best she's EVER looked baby. that's the REAL shenanigans.

Posted by: Liаm 17th February 2019, 12:02 AM

LEW YOUR SIGNATURE LMAO I DIE EVERY TIME

Posted by: Liаm 17th February 2019, 01:06 AM

Also yeah it defintely needs time, I'd be fine with them running it every year if they were as great as AS2, but I don't know why they feel the need to put in shit and twists and shenanigans. It's not a format that needs that, I mean a bunch of drag queens competing in itself is just drama, as shown by the fact it was great for years without twists and shit. It's never fun or dramatic (with the exception of the first lipsync for the crown which I actually did that but that's probs bc I liked Sasha well enough that I didn't mind her winning), particularly when it ends with a damp squib like a double crowning or ends with a top 2 of Trixie and Kennedy who had zero and one legacy wins respectively :')

Posted by: ElectroBoy 17th February 2019, 08:57 AM

Yeah the series' just don't need the twists/. AS3 was actually alright until the previous queens were brought back, which lead to Ben self eliminating and then the jury; sure not all the Queens were on top of their game... however Shangela and Ben were amazing to watch similarly it was good to see Aja show what she can do too.

Similarly AS4 would've been fine if the previous queens hadn't returned, we didn't have about 3 weeks of nothing new happening; latrice going, no one going, latrice coming back and then the double win twist. Either cast more Queens to fit how many shows you have, or cut a show as its just unnecessary.

Basically leave the show alone. It doesn't needs 20 twists on top of the lip sync for your legacy

Posted by: Cucumberella 17th February 2019, 12:46 PM

it really is becoming way too frequent. honestly at this rate AS6 is going to be nicole paige brooks doing a final 2 lipsync against an unopened tin of john west tuna

Posted by: Conderella 17th February 2019, 12:49 PM

QUOTE(Cucumberella @ Feb 17 2019, 03:46 PM)

Posted by: cantthinkofaname 17th February 2019, 01:40 PM

I mean this might be a controversial opinion but I kind of feel like All Stars would work better if the results were decided by a public vote? And it also would make sense since we're talking about the best of the best. Just a thought.

Posted by: Conderella 17th February 2019, 02:06 PM

Given how many times the public has f***ed up the vote in all of the history of reality TV I'd say a big fat NO to that personally.

A common denominator decided by the popular vote and appealing to most people isn't necessarily the best of the best.

Posted by: Envoirment 17th February 2019, 05:31 PM

A public vote would be a mess. There'd be no point in having the queens competing as it'll just become "which queen has the most fans" and the challenges/challenge wins would lose their meaning.

Posted by: 365 17th February 2019, 09:26 PM

Public vote would be a mess. White fan base queens like Sasha and Trixie would forever win and the queens of colour would always be in trouble.

Posted by: ElectroBoy 17th February 2019, 09:37 PM

Yeah public vote would not be a good idea. They just need to stop the sh!t, pointless twists.

Posted by: Liаm 18th February 2019, 12:28 AM

At least for All Stars, it should be track record tbh. Not entirely, sometimes it's not that clear cut, but it's not that hard to award the queen that deserves to win the most or gave the most (undoubtedly Shangela in AS3 and I'd argue Trinity in AS4 although it was much closer this time).

You're never going to please everyone, part of the fun of Drag Race is how divisive it can be and how people can get behind and argue for their faves, of course that's a bad thing too as it can be quite toxic to the queens and probably the producers too. So why not just crown who deserves it?? I know Monet basically had the same track record if you factor in that she "won" the final, so it was close, but personally Monet didn't deserve the wins for the makeover or Everybody Say Love and lots of people agreed. But either way, just bloody pick someone.

Like I said though, the main thing is that the format is absolutely fine and more than dramatic enough. Drag Race Thailand has it DOWN, there's drama and gags but it's not stupid twists (a couple of :/ decisions and shock eliminations including a ridiculous double sashay that should have been a double shantay). There was even a disqualification and honestly Willam is SHAKING it was so dramatic (I just wanted to harp on about DRT again ok x) *.*

Bottom line is I look at it similar to Big Brother, the format itself is great and exciting in so many ways if left naturally, it only gets ruined by a load of twists.

Posted by: blacksquare 18th February 2019, 09:11 AM

I genuinely think this finale has harmed the show more than the Trixie win. I'm yet to see anyone particularly happy with the result or complimentative of the episode itself. It was just a mess. Compare Super Queen to Read U Wrote U...

The season started strong but dragged on with too many acting and comedy challenges, strange judging choices, and then the usual messy All Stars eliminations.

They need to change the All Stars format and freshen it up. More time between seasons. Give the queens actual time to grow. I don't believe Monet and Monique are that different than Season 10 - they were just given more screen time.

Posted by: 365 18th February 2019, 09:13 AM

It feels so weird thinking Monet is an All Stars winner.

Posted by: blacksquare 18th February 2019, 09:14 AM

QUOTE(365 @ Feb 18 2019, 09:13 AM)

Posted by: ElectroBoy 18th February 2019, 09:24 AM

QUOTE(Liаm @ Feb 18 2019, 12:28 AM)

Posted by: cantthinkofaname 18th February 2019, 12:52 PM

How about allowing the judges (permanent judges and maybe even the guest judges) vote who goes out of the bottom 2 instead of the contestants? I honestly trust Michelle's judgement 100% better than I trust RuPaul's lol. I just feel like AS needs to change formats to work because this sure ain't working.

Posted by: ElectroBoy 18th February 2019, 01:17 PM

QUOTE(cantthinkofaname @ Feb 18 2019, 12:52 PM)

Posted by: Liаm 18th February 2019, 03:54 PM

I go backwards and forwards on whether I think the format should change, I don't think it should change too drastically and it's probably enough of a difference from main seasons. In my Manila elimination anger I remember saying Lipsync For Your Legacy was a bit stale, and it would be nice to see a fight to lipsync from the bottom queens, but I do also like having the two winners and a fight to win the $10k so I wouldn't want it to be totally the normal format.

Maybe though there could be a bottom 3 and the winner of the lipsync chooses one to save, then the judges decide who's eliminated out of the bottom 2 (maybe after another lipsync, but fitting all that into an hour show would probably sacrifice the challenge time which I don't want). That mixes All Stars and normal format, but then again with some of the decisions made by the judges in terms of bottom placements and top 2s in a challenge, I'd probably trust the contestants more

Posted by: Envoirment 18th February 2019, 06:54 PM

Personally I don't think it's the format - it works well generally. It's the mundane challenges and uncessary twists.

Having the eliminated queens come back to fight for a place again is fine. There's usually a lot of drama involved which I love. Plus the challenge is usually quite nice/enjoyable (Naomi vs Gia/Monique vs Latrice were great lip syncs imo). There'll be one queen who leaves/gets eliminated whom has a strong following (Alyssa/Tatianna/BeDeLaCreme/Manila). That's usually great in terms of drama and can blow the competition wide open (Ben/Manila were the clear front runners).

AS3 would've been fine if the eliminated queens had no say. Shangela woud've 100% won if it was based on RuPaul's opinion and apart from Ben's elimintion, would've made for a great season.

I think another thing to take into account is the queens themselves. You need a very strong cast of queens for a great season. Whilst I thought the AS4 cast was great, I feel that Jasmine/Gia/Farrah/Latrice could've all been replaced with much stronger queens to make the competition very heated - Shea Coulee/Peppermint/Kim Chi etc.

Posted by: Liаm 19th February 2019, 12:31 AM

QUOTE(Envoirment @ Feb 18 2019, 06:54 PM)

Posted by: Theonix 19th February 2019, 12:49 AM

I just can't get over how awful and cheap Monét's outfit that she wore after receiving the official crown is 🙁

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Posted by: Conderella 19th February 2019, 08:06 AM

QUOTE(365 @ Feb 18 2019, 12:13 PM)

Posted by: cantthinkofaname 19th February 2019, 09:14 AM

QUOTE(Conderella @ Feb 19 2019, 08:06 AM)

Posted by: Liаm 19th February 2019, 12:47 PM

Couldn't agree more, that's part of makes the tie infuriating too She just doesn't have the star power of Trixie and she didn't undoubtedly crush the season like Alaska, I loved her on season 10 but we didn't see much growth here which is the whole point of All Stars - look at Monique!

Posted by: cantthinkofaname 19th February 2019, 01:23 PM

I think part of why AS4 failed is the selection of queens. I think the only ones that really should have been chosen for this season were Manila, Valentina, Trinity and Naomi as they have all proven to not only improve on their last appearance but just to show themselves to be worthy of being in this show.

Latrice is not versatile enough to be brought back for the second time. Her looks are ALWAYS the same and when she's "in character" it's basically just Latrice.
For Monét and Monique season 10 is still so fresh and their legacy hasn't really formed yet so to enter All-Stars less then a year after their season just felt rushed. Additionally they were glued together the entire season making it feel like they were a team (we all know neither was ever going to eliminate the other, don't even try me on this).
Farrah, Gia and Jasmine were all eliminated early in their seasons and basically just felt like early boot fodder. I think for an AS season to include THREE early boots was a mistake as none of them are really all stars worthy, despite how many IG followers they have or whatever. Don't get me wrong, I like Farrah and Gia (sorry Jasmine) but they didn't quite fit in here other than just for drama.

I wish they could have included some of these alternatives instead despite how unlikely (or flat out never gonna happen) most of these are:
Nina Flowers (S1), Ongina (S1), Pandora Boxx (S2), Jujubee (S2), Raven (S2), Yara Sofia (S3), Willam (S4), Courtney Act (S6), Trinity K. Bonet (S6), Laganja Estranja (S6), Pearl (S7), Max (S7), Kim Chi (S8), Shea Coulée (S9), Peppermint (S9) and if they HAD to include S10 queens: Kameron Michaels and Asia O'Hara would have made a lot more sense than Monét and Monique.

Posted by: Conderella 19th February 2019, 09:59 PM

I heard somewhere that Monet got the AS4 call when S10 was still airing. say whuuuut

in terms of improvement from their original seasons, Naomi is the biggest one for me honestly. She's just in a completely different league now. Went from 7/10 to a solid 9/10. Monique has improved as well when it comes to looks at least. She always had the charisma.

Posted by: #VoteGarden.keh 11th June 2020, 12:33 AM

thinking about how they wasted on double win on Trinity and Monet over MONIQUE AND NAOMI!!!

Posted by: StupidLove 11th June 2020, 12:46 AM

I really thought Trinity and Monique were going to win.

Looking back, Monet performed okay but a win? I don't know if it's deserving, given how she seemed in the background a lot on AS4. Naomi is great, but she was safe for the majority of the season and outside of the Lip Sync in red latex, didn't add anything memorable.

Posted by: #VoteGarden.keh 11th June 2020, 12:50 AM

GIRL!!! The makeover! She should have been top 2 the girl group challenge, snatch game, was robbed of a high placement the Jersey Justice challenge, had the iconic and phenomenal Judy Garland lipsync and invented CLUB 96

Posted by: diva thin muffin 11th June 2020, 09:07 AM

Naomi was safe for the majority of the season because Ru is an idiot (sorry not sorry). She deserved to win on at LEAST three occasions and her runway looks were FIRE that entire season. That final 2 really should have been Trinity and Naomi and Monét should not have been anywhere near that final episode but w/e.

Posted by: Vülker 11th June 2020, 02:48 PM

Monet should've been eliminated purely based on this abomination of an outfit. I can kinda see why she made it to the finale (if you ask me she should've been eliminated in episode 4 instead of Latrice) but really don't understand her joint-win. Trinity was more than deserving of winning it by herself but if they really wanted to push the double-win storyline they should've given it to Naomi.

Posted by: #VoteGarden.keh 11th June 2020, 02:54 PM

WHY DID YOU HAVE TO REMIND ME!!! Monet is one of them queens who is clearly brill- so charismatic and warm, but doesn’t do all that well at the actual show- I am happy Latrice was eliminated when she was as she was even worse than Monet on AS4

Posted by: Vülker 11th June 2020, 02:59 PM

QUOTE(#VoteGarden.keh @ Jun 11 2020, 03:54 PM)

Posted by: Liаm 11th June 2020, 03:17 PM

Naomi or arguably even Latrice should have been top 2 over Monet for the rap challenge thing, and Trinity should have been top 2 over Monet for the makeover, plus she should have really gone over Latrice in Jersey Justice to be honest as shit as Latrice It almost feels to me like they decided Monet was gonna win all along

Trinity deserved the win fair and square, easily over any of the others, if anyone else should have shared it if they really HAD to do that, I'd have said Monique! I think that would have been a good storyline double win anyway for how much she improved between two seasons. It really just felt like they gave into the critiques of there always being white All Stars winners, and whilst it was certainly a valid comment, Trinity was by far and away the winner of AS4.

Posted by: ✖ leww ✖ 11th June 2020, 04:08 PM

Latrice should've won for that safari gown alone - it do take nerve and she had some f***ing NERVE wearing that on the runway!

Posted by: Adam 11th June 2020, 07:14 PM

Boils my blood when people say Naomi should have been top two on the girl groups challenge! (FWIW she definitely was robbed of wins, Snatch, Jersey Justice)
But the girl group challenge? Watch as they absolutely DRAG FARRAH for not being able to dance, even to the point of reshowing us Farrahs awful dancing. In the EXACT SAME FRAME they are reshowing us, watch Naomi behind Farrah, making as much if not more of an absolute shambles of the same dance routine!! Wild, lol.

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