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 18th October 2019, 06:07 PM
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Is anyone else here going on the march in London tomorrow? I'm setting of to my sister's in about half an hour as we're leaving at 5.30 tomorrow from Liverpool!
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18th October 2019, 06:18 PM
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Macron ready to block further extension. He's fed up as everyone is.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/macro...YX7S?li=BBoPRmx This post has been edited by Freddie Kruger: 18th October 2019, 06:18 PM |
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18th October 2019, 06:21 PM
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IDS is against the deal and May is undecided still. Amber Rudd still 50/50 and will sleep on it apparently. 9 Labour MP's will definitely back it but thought this will not be enough.
Debate from 9.30 with vote rumoured to be 2.30pm. EDIT. John McDonnell is furious with labour rebels who intend to vote for this deal. This post has been edited by Freddie Kruger: 18th October 2019, 06:37 PM |
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18th October 2019, 06:23 PM
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QUOTE(Kath @ Oct 18 2019, 07:07 PM)  Is anyone else here going on the march in London tomorrow? I'm setting of to my sister's in about half an hour as we're leaving at 5.30 tomorrow from Liverpool! March for what exactly? Climate change? |
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18th October 2019, 06:24 PM
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QUOTE(blacksquare @ Oct 18 2019, 03:07 PM) This is why hastily deciding something this important over a weekend, without proper scrutiny, is ridiculous. They're not even having a full day of debate. Five hours is time enough. They've had 3 years to debate this. Has to end tomorrow. Even President Macron has had enough and don't blame him. |
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18th October 2019, 06:27 PM
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QUOTE(Freddie Kruger @ Oct 18 2019, 07:23 PM) March for what exactly? Climate change? The March for Strippers Rights! I thought you of all people would have heard of it! |
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18th October 2019, 06:31 PM
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A lot of Labour will now abstain. Boris has reportedly made concessions to Labour MP's on workers rights to get this through with Corbyn personally phoning them telling them to vote it down.
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18th October 2019, 06:32 PM
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QUOTE(Kath @ Oct 18 2019, 07:27 PM) The March for Strippers Rights! I thought you of all people would have heard of it! I genuinely don't know if it's Brexit or climate change. If Brexit then it's all over. Macron to veto extension so we're out on 31st. Boris's deal or no deal. |
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18th October 2019, 06:37 PM
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We're not out on October 31st even if this shitty deal gets approved(which I have a sinking feeling it will).
Macron has been making these noises for months to appease his own people. He will fall in line with the rest of the EU27. Again you are showing you understand nothing about this. Pleb. |
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18th October 2019, 06:38 PM
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QUOTE(mald487 @ Oct 18 2019, 07:37 PM) We're not out on October 31st even if this shitty deal gets approved(which I have a sinking feeling it will). Macron has been making these noises for months to appease his own people. He will fall in line with the rest of the EU27. Again you are showing you understand nothing about this. Pleb. BBC saying it'll be passed by 2 votes they believe. 4-6 week extension for the 27 Parliaments to approve deal. Out by Christmas.  Odds are 4-6 now that it passes. This post has been edited by Freddie Kruger: 18th October 2019, 06:48 PM |
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18th October 2019, 06:52 PM
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QUOTE(mald487 @ Oct 18 2019, 07:37 PM) We're not out on October 31st even if this shitty deal gets approved(which I have a sinking feeling it will). Macron has been making these noises for months to appease his own people. He will fall in line with the rest of the EU27. Again you are showing you understand nothing about this. Pleb. This. Merkel has said there will be another extension. Macron always talks tough for his home audience. Finance impact assessments released after the vote, only a 5 hour debate, no time for proper scrutiny, absolute madness. |
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18th October 2019, 07:03 PM
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QUOTE(Freddie Kruger @ Oct 18 2019, 07:24 PM) Five hours is time enough. They've had 3 years to debate this. Has to end tomorrow. Even President Macron has had enough and don't blame him. Again, you’re being disingenuous. They haven’t had three years to debate this agreement. An agreement this important, with potential ramifications for generations, shouldn’t be decided over a quick a debate without all the information. The economic assessment is being held until after the vote. Why? I could go on, but you’re completely blind to reason. |
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18th October 2019, 07:28 PM
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QUOTE(Kath @ Oct 18 2019, 07:07 PM) Is anyone else here going on the march in London tomorrow? I'm setting of to my sister's in about half an hour as we're leaving at 5.30 tomorrow from Liverpool! I’m in London tomorrow, albeit for a wedding, so hopefully it doesn’t cause too much disruption. |
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18th October 2019, 07:34 PM
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IF this passes, it absolutely must pass with the Letwin amendment. We need that security that the government won’t get round the Benn law by holding a vote and then crashing us out on Halloween now the conditions of benn are met.
Letwin is sensible. This is a landmark piece of legislation, it’s democratic vandalism to throw it through without time to sufficiently understand the impact of it and what enabling legislation is required. Like our VAT law needs completely rewritten. That’s a good 15-18 months worth of work. We need time to properly understand this agreement. Properly examine the laws and then give parliament a confirmatory vote. At the same time, this has to be ratified by the EU27. A technical extension until Jan 31st to enable ratification by EU27 and a proper examination by UK government with understanding by all 28 that extension ends once all 27 have ratified and once UK has ratified. I’m vehemently against this deal and Brexit in general tbh but this, this is the most sensible path if you genuinely want to leave with a deal |
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18th October 2019, 08:05 PM
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Right now I think the Deal will pass. But still think there are a few twists and turns. Be interesting to see if there are any Tory rebels. I'm fairly certain there will be.
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18th October 2019, 08:11 PM
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QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Oct 18 2019, 08:28 PM) I’m in London tomorrow, albeit for a wedding, so hopefully it doesn’t cause too much disruption. I bet Kath will be up Big Ben.  
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18th October 2019, 08:38 PM
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The hilarity of someone who doesn't work talking about workers' rights in the abstract as something that its a-ok for Boris to wilfully f*ck with.
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18th October 2019, 08:47 PM
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QUOTE(TheJü-Pumpkin @ Oct 18 2019, 09:38 PM) The hilarity of someone who doesn't work talking about workers' rights in the abstract as something that its a-ok for Boris to wilfully f*ck with. My personal circumstances shouldn't come in to this. I am not out of work through choice. Boris is promising individual Labour MP's tonight that workers rights will be fully protected. |
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18th October 2019, 08:55 PM
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QUOTE(Freddie Kruger @ Oct 18 2019, 09:47 PM) My personal circumstances shouldn't come in to this. I am not out of work through choice. Boris is promising individual Labour MP's tonight that workers rights will be fully protected. And why, given his record, should anyone believe an assurance from that serial liar? |
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18th October 2019, 11:06 PM
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QUOTE(Freddie Kruger @ Oct 18 2019, 08:47 PM) Boris is promising... 
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