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tommie View member profile	Oct 24 2020, 01:17 AM Post #161
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 7 January 2009 Posts: 7,064 User: 8,073	QUOTE(sammy01 @ Oct 23 2020, 11:00 PM) Record labels mean shipped when they talk about 'sold' as when they ship an album they have sold those to retailers. I wouldn't be shocked if Scream shipped 1m but lots ended up unsold in pound shops. Scream opened with 30k+ which would have been all physical it wouldn't be surprising if UK shipments were 200k as I'm sure after opening with decent numbers retailers were confident it would sell well. It's also worth remembering that It's Raining Men was a huge hit and probably the biggest solo hit any of them had at that point, so retailers probably had a lot of confidence that Scream was going to sell better than it did. Of course, it being a cover ended up having the same effect that Emma suffered a few years later with Downtown - people ended up not really being that interested in the album since it was just a track that was tacked on to try and sell an album that the label didn't seem to have much faith in.


sammy01 View member profile	Oct 24 2020, 06:36 AM Post #162
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 16 November 2009 Posts: 7,591 User: 9,988	QUOTE(tommie @ Oct 24 2020, 02:17 AM) It's also worth remembering that It's Raining Men was a huge hit and probably the biggest solo hit any of them had at that point, so retailers probably had a lot of confidence that Scream was going to sell better than it did. Of course, it being a cover ended up having the same effect that Emma suffered a few years later with Downtown - people ended up not really being that interested in the album since it was just a track that was tacked on to try and sell an album that the label didn't seem to have much faith in. Yep iirc It's raining men was a big hit in France then you look at France peak for the album and it having a 100k cert. It was evidently incredibly over shipped compared to what it actually sold in France. Scream could have easily shipped 300k between the UK and France alone.


tommie View member profile	Oct 24 2020, 08:56 AM Post #163
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 7 January 2009 Posts: 7,064 User: 8,073	QUOTE(sammy01 @ Oct 24 2020, 06:36 AM) Yep iirc It's raining men was a big hit in France then you look at France peak for the album and it having a 100k cert. It was evidently incredibly over shipped compared to what it actually sold in France. Scream could have easily shipped 300k between the UK and France alone. I think a lot of people forget how big It's Raining Men actually was at the time - it was everywhere due to the tie-in with Bridget Jones Diary. I think it must've been a surprise when Scream didn't sell off the back of it; of course today Geri's version of It's Raining Men is forgotten and people have (rightfully, I might add) gone back to The Weather Girls, but it was massive and probably the last "big" solo Spice single; Emma had blips after that and Mel C some local successes.


Mr.X View member profile	Oct 24 2020, 09:07 AM Post #164
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 7 September 2017 Posts: 5,073 User: 39,587	QUOTE(tommie @ Oct 24 2020, 09:56 AM) I think a lot of people forget how big It's Raining Men actually was at the time - it was everywhere due to the tie-in with Bridget Jones Diary. I think it must've been a surprise when Scream didn't sell off the back of it; of course today Geri's version of It's Raining Men is forgotten and people have (rightfully, I might add) gone back to The Weather Girls, but it was massive and probably the last "big" solo Spice single; Emma had blips after that and Mel C some local successes. This is all true tbh so maybe it shipped loads but no-one was interested?! As much as I love the original 4 piece, their moves in 1999-2000 really damaged their chances. It's also no suprise that after Forever thanked, so did their solo outputs, as the general public and press were very much against them. It also didnt help that Schizo and everything that came out of Solo Spice-dom post 2000 was subpar (apart from Free Me and Life in Mono imo)


tommie View member profile	Oct 24 2020, 09:13 AM Post #165
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 7 January 2009 Posts: 7,064 User: 8,073	QUOTE(Mr.X @ Oct 24 2020, 09:07 AM) This is all true tbh so maybe it shipped loads but no-one was interested?! As sad as that sounds, it's fairly possible; I can see both the label and retailers overestimating demand and somewhere in China there's a road built on discarded Scream If You Wanna Go Faster cds. It's a bit like Victoria's Secret buying 600k of the Greatest Hits - for the label it means they sold that amount in the US and was a very smart business deal. Of course it doesn't mean it sold anywhere near that in households in the US (at least initially).


Mr.X View member profile	Oct 24 2020, 09:24 AM Post #166
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 7 September 2017 Posts: 5,073 User: 39,587	QUOTE(tommie @ Oct 24 2020, 10:13 AM) As sad as that sounds, it's fairly possible; I can see both the label and retailers overestimating demand and somewhere in China there's a road built on discarded Scream If You Wanna Go Faster cds. It's a bit like Victoria's Secret buying 600k of the Greatest Hits - for the label it means they sold that amount in the US and was a very smart business deal. Of course it doesn't mean it sold anywhere near that in households in the US (at least initially). Can I ask if this means they still got the money? When it comes to the sales, record labels get the money from shipments right? Not necessarily on how many copies it actually sold in stores?!


tommie View member profile	Oct 24 2020, 09:46 AM Post #167
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 7 January 2009 Posts: 7,064 User: 8,073	QUOTE(Mr.X @ Oct 24 2020, 09:24 AM) Can I ask if this means they still got the money? When it comes to the sales, record labels get the money from shipments right? Not necessarily on how many copies it actually sold in stores?! Yes. I don't remember exactly, but I think the record label sells "regular" priced cds to retailers for around £4.99 (which then retails for somewhere between £7.99-10.99) and budget cds for £2.99 (which won't count towards the main chart; retails maybe £4.99). This is just from memory and is probably outdated so don't hold me to this. This post has been edited by tommie: Oct 24 2020, 09:47 AM


Chemistry View member profile	Oct 25 2020, 08:45 AM Post #168
BuzzJack Gold Member Joined: 20 May 2020 Posts: 2,270 User: 106,588	QUOTE(tommie @ Oct 24 2020, 09:56 AM) I think a lot of people forget how big It's Raining Men actually was at the time - it was everywhere due to the tie-in with Bridget Jones Diary. I think it must've been a surprise when Scream didn't sell off the back of it; of course today Geri's version of It's Raining Men is forgotten and people have (rightfully, I might add) gone back to The Weather Girls, but it was massive and probably the last "big" solo Spice single; Emma had blips after that and Mel C some local successes. It's a shame the era basically ended after It's Raining Men. I am not that surprised the song didn't do much for the album as it seemed more like a stand-alone single to support to movie, but you would have expected the Scream... single to do better (and get better radio support, as well) after four #1 singles. I wouldn't say it's completely forgotten now though, while it may not be a classic, it's the most streamed solo Spice song (besides When You're Gone but that is labelled as Bryan's) on Spotify with over 26 million streams.


Mr.X View member profile	Oct 25 2020, 10:50 AM Post #169
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 7 September 2017 Posts: 5,073 User: 39,587	QUOTE(tommie @ Oct 24 2020, 10:46 AM) Yes. I don't remember exactly, but I think the record label sells "regular" priced cds to retailers for around £4.99 (which then retails for somewhere between £7.99-10.99) and budget cds for £2.99 (which won't count towards the main chart; retails maybe £4.99). This is just from memory and is probably outdated so don't hold me to this. Interesting, thank you. So when it comes to royalties, it is based on those shipments rather than actual sales, I would guess?!


schizo_spice View member profile	Oct 25 2020, 10:51 AM Post #170
BuzzJack Enthusiast Joined: 6 September 2017 Posts: 927 User: 39,574	Geris cover of It's Raining Men is far from forgotten. Definitely a cover thats lasted the distance. This post has been edited by schizo_spice: Oct 25 2020, 10:53 AM


Mr.X View member profile	Oct 25 2020, 11:07 AM Post #171
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 7 September 2017 Posts: 5,073 User: 39,587	QUOTE(schizo_spice @ Oct 25 2020, 11:51 AM) Geris cover of It's Raining Men is far from forgotten. Definitely a cover thats lasted the distance. Yeah as much as I think it's an aweful cover, you cant deny that it is still today her biggest hit and probably one of the most enduring solo Spice releases (and probably the only reason she has half a million listeners on Spotify lol)


schizo_spice View member profile	Oct 25 2020, 12:29 PM Post #172
BuzzJack Enthusiast Joined: 6 September 2017 Posts: 927 User: 39,574	QUOTE(Mr.X @ Oct 25 2020, 12:07 PM) Yeah as much as I think it's an aweful cover, you cant deny that it is still today her biggest hit and probably one of the most enduring solo Spice releases (and probably the only reason she has half a million listeners on Spotify lol) That would be for the awesomeness that is Schizophonic with its high relistenability.


spiceboy View member profile	Oct 25 2020, 01:24 PM Post #173
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 6 September 2017 Posts: 11,807 User: 39,568	Yeah Geri's version of IRM is far from forgotten, it's one of THE most remembered solo Spice songs.


Mr.X View member profile	Oct 25 2020, 01:53 PM Post #174
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 7 September 2017 Posts: 5,073 User: 39,587	QUOTE(schizo_spice @ Oct 25 2020, 01:29 PM) That would be for the awesomeness that is Schizophonic with its high relistenability. that album is so dissapointing lol


Spice Girls Net View member profile	Nov 1 2020, 06:25 PM Post #175
BuzzJack Gold Member Joined: 3 February 2018 Posts: 2,041 User: 64,815	In 2007 when the group announced the ROTSG Tour one of the original tour dates was in China. They planned to do a few shows there, unlike Japan, where they sold a lot of records. I was wondering if anyone knew how well the SG did in China in terms of chart positions and sales? Thanks


JaneJ View member profile	Nov 2 2020, 06:46 PM Post #176
BuzzJack Regular Joined: 27 June 2019 Posts: 238 User: 88,953	QUOTE(Spice Girls Net @ Nov 2 2020, 01:25 AM) In 2007 when the group announced the ROTSG Tour one of the original tour dates was in China. They planned to do a few shows there, unlike Japan, where they sold a lot of records. I was wondering if anyone knew how well the SG did in China in terms of chart positions and sales? Thanks In the 90s Mainland China was not the significant market in the music industry. There were no charts or certification systems, the values were too small. They have been growing rapidly since 2000s though and might crack the top five biggest markets in a few years. Among the 90s western girl groups, the SG have the most followers on QQ music but no where near boy bands like Westlife or Backstreet Boys. The sales data and insight info about the popularity of the girls in China, might belong to the label, I assume. There were a lot of Chinese fans asking them to play there in 2007-2008, no?


Mr.X View member profile	Nov 2 2020, 08:23 PM Post #177
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 7 September 2017 Posts: 5,073 User: 39,587	QUOTE(JaneJ @ Nov 2 2020, 07:46 PM) In the 90s Mainland China was not the significant market in the music industry. There were no charts or certification systems, the values were too small. They have been growing rapidly since 2000s though and might crack the top five biggest markets in a few years. Among the 90s western girl groups, the SG have the most followers on QQ music but no where near boy bands like Westlife or Backstreet Boys. The sales data and insight info about the popularity of the girls in China, might belong to the label, I assume. There were a lot of Chinese fans asking them to play there in 2007-2008, no? They added dates in China originally to a total of 3, only to cancel them, which was so sad. They really screwed up that tour, which could have done much better and go for much longer. The power was there if they had been on it.


Spice Girls Net View member profile	Nov 3 2020, 12:59 PM Post #178
BuzzJack Gold Member Joined: 3 February 2018 Posts: 2,041 User: 64,815	QUOTE(JaneJ @ Nov 2 2020, 06:46 PM) In the 90s Mainland China was not the significant market in the music industry. There were no charts or certification systems, the values were too small. They have been growing rapidly since 2000s though and might crack the top five biggest markets in a few years. Among the 90s western girl groups, the SG have the most followers on QQ music but no where near boy bands like Westlife or Backstreet Boys. The sales data and insight info about the popularity of the girls in China, might belong to the label, I assume. There were a lot of Chinese fans asking them to play there in 2007-2008, no? Thanks for the info. China was already one of the original dates along with Argentina, South Africa, Australia etc so the group were always going to play in China which I found interesting


Mr.X View member profile	Nov 3 2020, 02:48 PM Post #179
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 7 September 2017 Posts: 5,073 User: 39,587	QUOTE(Spice Girls Net @ Nov 3 2020, 01:59 PM) Thanks for the info. China was already one of the original dates along with Argentina, South Africa, Australia etc so the group were always going to play in China which I found interesting Maybe they had originally intended to do it and expand to other regions of South East Asia, which would have been announced had they actually gone for it, but were cancelled... I think Japan and a few other countries around there should be included in future tours, to be honest. WILD that they were so successful in those countries but never made it there on tour...


Babyboy View member profile	Nov 4 2020, 08:09 PM Post #180
BuzzJack Enthusiast Joined: 7 September 2017 Posts: 514 User: 39,611	I edited the first page just with the peaks. It is easy and "clean" to read. Also it is easy to find chart runs around the web. I will add soon Mel recent projects.