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 10th July 2016, 05:34 PM
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this isn't a personal attack AT ALL before anybody comes at me however i've been feeling for quite some time that there is a gap between the mods and the members of bjsc. to be honest yes this is a problem for me with some of the other mods more than others. lew frequents plug quite a lot and i see him more actively taking a role and due to that as a participant i find him a lot more approachable about bjsc stuff, however i feel like i never see yu and jahq getting involved publicly at all??? of course i don't know how much work they put behind the scenes and i'm not trying to accuse them of not doing anything in the slightest i'm just saying as a participant this is how i feel, and imo the mods should be people who really do get stuck in and involved publicly. all the different dramas etc over the last couple months has been kinda exhausting and i feel a lot more could've been done to prevent it, i feel like a lot more transparency is needed to keep this a fun community game. i like how in the spin offs more people get involved with the process and i think this is a good step in providing more of a link between the mods and the people, could i maybe suggest the mods find more way to incorporate this into the main contest? these kind of mods vs the whole of buzzjack disputes can't really be fun for anybody surely??
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10th July 2016, 05:37 PM
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 escape in the taste of summerrrrrr
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i'm a big believer in transparency (i work in an environment where it's necessary) so i think that's a good criticism. i'm glad you feel that you can approach me because i am trying - i think the other mods are just as approachable in spirit but not as active as posters which maybe causes a disconnect - naturally we can't force the mods to post or integrate more (they have their own lives to lead) but i'm sure i speak on behalf of them that if there was any queries or questions they'd be happy to field them for you.
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10th July 2016, 05:40 PM
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yes i do realise that real life is always more important (i rlly do want to reiterate the fact this is not a personal attack) and hopefully after all of this has blown over maybe it could be encouraged for people to post more of what they're really feeling in threads like this so there could be more discussion between the mods andd ppl?? maybe that way we could avoid drama too
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10th July 2016, 05:44 PM
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 bye dinner
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I'm used to the criticisms I get in which I do absolutely nothing so it doesn't shock me at all if anyone feels that way anymore. I completely agree that everything should be more transparent as lew have said, but I believe that the blame lies not so much in that we don't contribute publicly but more so that other members integrate with other sections of associated with this site either on or off, thus are seen as more approachable. Another reason is that both Jack and myself at times work and if there's an issue, by the time we have free time to even read as to what it is our other co-moderators have already responded. You simply do not need to have all moderators answering back the same response in regards to one issue imo.
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10th July 2016, 05:46 PM
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escape in the taste of summerrrrrr
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just to be clear both jahq and yu do help out month on month but because they don't really spend a lot of time on buzzjack usually when they're online it's one of the only things they'll do, doesn't mean it isn't being done tho!!! #shoutout2magirls
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10th July 2016, 05:48 PM
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bye dinner
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I'm going to admit the past 2-3 months I haven't contributed as much as what I'd like to due to a range of factors being final year university in addition to work, followed by a vacation/visit to a family relative and then another family issue which have arouse suddenly. This isn't to say I don't contribute actively previously at all!
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10th July 2016, 05:49 PM
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i am appreciating these responses but yeah to repeat my point earlier it's not so much that i don't believe some mods aren't doing anything, in an ideal world it just would be nice for it to be more evident. for that tho i don't really have any suggestions other than maybe letting the host be involved in the veto process so more people can see what goes on??? :')
edit: and maybe half if this is coming for the fact i'm relatively new to bjsc still (i think i'm approaching my 10th contest???  ) but i've said what i have to say now and hopefully this can be rectified fo the future :')
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10th July 2016, 05:50 PM
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I actually don't think much needs to be done in regards to actual playing of entries on Plug, but maybe some all-round more secrecy if you want to tighten the rules in this regard, and have people only allowed to consult a certain number of people (though this would be difficult to enforce and would prejudice those on Plug, rabb.it etc vs. those who use PM). You could also ask people not to talk about 'potenshes' so obviously when playing them, etc, but this is a fun competition and I think being too strict about it could potentially make us lose sight of that.
Meanwhile, in regards to the current situation, in order to preserve the integrity of the veto system it is important not to foster an 'us and them' mentality, whether intentional or not. Therefore, I would recommend entries like Tim's, etc, to be allowed through, after having drawn attention to the point the mods now wish to underline; and from there, have this rule enforced more stringently following an update of the Rules and a PSA. I think this will help foster better feeling and less animosity between people and strengthen the integrity of the system; all the rules will be there in black and white, with suspension/ vetoes etc happening retrospective to their underlining. Just me 2cence! This post has been edited by #BJSCSLAYERRRRRR: 10th July 2016, 05:58 PM |
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10th July 2016, 05:56 PM
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bye dinner
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QUOTE(princess_lotti @ Jul 10 2016, 06:49 PM)  i am appreciating these responses but yeah to repeat my point earlier it's not so much that i don't believe some mods aren't doing anything, in an ideal world it just would be nice for it to be more evident. for that tho i don't really have any suggestions other than maybe letting the host be involved in the veto process so more people can see what goes on??? :') edit: and maybe half if this is coming for the fact i'm relatively new to bjsc still (i think i'm approaching my 10th contest??? ) but i've said what i have to say now and hopefully this can be rectified fo the future :')Us moderators all have our main designated tasks, such as myself the main researcher (altho the past few months tho has been terrible) so there's no way for myself to really be evident to the public that way :\ |
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10th July 2016, 05:58 PM
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see I didn't even know these main designated tasks were a thing
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10th July 2016, 06:05 PM
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I know what you mean Lotti and the word has been thrown back at us quite a lot today, sometimes with quite a lot of hostility. There is a lot of improvement to be made by us as a team, and we will keep working on it. I think that we have got better, for example the research published in full for every track that we veto. It's not something that has always been done.
I think there are a lot of things we can learn from with the spin-offs, but the size difference means it's not as easy for everything to translate and the much stricter veto process also runs into some problems. I really want to bridge this gap, because I too have felt it, and really work together to build our community. |
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10th July 2016, 06:06 PM
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Bitch of t seet
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Another small thing that has on my mind, how about a veto thread? Where the vetoed tracks are stalled so they wont be entered like 3 times in a row?
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10th July 2016, 06:08 PM
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bye dinner
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That is a good suggestion Tim and I think we have discussed this amongst ourselves before, so watch the space as such thread might exist in the future!
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10th July 2016, 06:18 PM
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Queen of Soon
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We have a thread in the mod forum, not sure if it's still missing a chunk or not, that goes all the way back to the first vetoed song.
Once we complete it we can certainly duplicate it in here. |
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10th July 2016, 06:20 PM
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Queen of Soon
Joined: 24 May 2007
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QUOTE(#BJSCSLAYERRRRRR @ Jul 10 2016, 06:50 PM) I actually don't think much needs to be done in regards to actual playing of entries on Plug, but maybe some all-round more secrecy if you want to tighten the rules in this regard, and have people only allowed to consult a certain number of people (though this would be difficult to enforce and would prejudice those on Plug, rabb.it etc vs. those who use PM). You could also ask people not to talk about 'potenshes' so obviously when playing them, etc, but this is a fun competition and I think being too strict about it could potentially make us lose sight of that. Meanwhile, in regards to the current situation, in order to preserve the integrity of the veto system it is important not to foster an 'us and them' mentality, whether intentional or not. Therefore, I would recommend entries like Tim's, etc, to be allowed through, after having drawn attention to the point the mods now wish to underline; and from there, have this rule enforced more stringently following an update of the Rules and a PSA. I think this will help foster better feeling and less animosity between people and strengthen the integrity of the system; all the rules will be there in black and white, with suspension/ vetoes etc happening retrospective to their underlining. Just me 2cence! I think we're going to hit all of the points you've raised in your first paragraph with the PSA and the new rules. I think that will most certainly be the aim going forwards. The 4th framework will round it all out and will give us a solid, black and white, base to work from in order to kill off the 'us vs them' mentality once and for all. |
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10th July 2016, 06:52 PM
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Oh yes, I'd love to see a list of vetoed entries and the points they got for the reasons they got vetoed for
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1st September 2017, 04:02 PM
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(i've been drinking)
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does BJSC use a template for compiling votes? Or is it done by the host at their discretion?
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1st September 2017, 04:48 PM
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Queen of Soon
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The discretion of the host
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1st September 2017, 05:50 PM
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(i've been drinking)
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If anyone wants it I do have a 100 entry template which automates a lot of the boring bits.
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20th January 2018, 11:51 AM
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This isn't that important but I've been thinking about it and thought it was worth a shot asking here haha. Am I correct in thinking that generally, people aren't allowed to change their votes after they have already sent them, unless they made a scoring error, for instance skipping a 3-pointer or whatever (and I'm aware that even in situations like that, the host can just move the songs down a place or whatnot)? I remember in like 2008, when I was first starting out in the contest, I asked the host if I could change votes cos I forgot to vote for one track, and I was allowed to re-send. Maybe it was different back then but I'm not sure if there is any guideline in place about it?
I know that it's the person's own fault, and allowing people to change votes even just once might make things messier for the host but let's say if someone genuinely forgets about one song...? I've seen this happen to people. And to speak for myself, in Andra Chansen there is one song that I just kinda brushed over in my voting process that, very soon after voting, became a major contender to be in my top 3! Again, not that important but just thought I'd at least ask. |
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