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post Jul 29 2018, 05:46 PM
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Since Labour have introduced new, stringent rules against anti-Semitism in the party, it's great to see the party taking firm action on the matter. Ian Austin, MP for Dudley North, is under investigation for anti-Semitism just hours after he is alleged to have made those comments.

Whoops, I misread that news article. I'll start again.

Ian Austin, MP for Dudley North, is under investigation for CRITICIZING anti-Semitism just hours after he is alleged to have made those comments. And given that he had Jewish family members who were killed in the Holocaust, he's someone you really should be listening to on the subject.
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post Jul 29 2018, 06:51 PM
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so let me get this straight - I, as a local government employee, can be found guilty of making an anti-semitic statement in some examples clearly stated to be anti-semitic, but as a member of UNISON I won't be found guilty of making those same statements because it supports the Labour Party which doesn't feel the need to add them into the official definitive statement of anti-semitism that Local Government has. As a member of UNISON for decades I wont be happy to support an organisation that accepts one definition for all the people it represents as part of their daily job, and another for a political party it financially supports using member donations.


For Jezza, I would imagine that it's worth standing back and looking at oneself and ones own hypocrisy when it comes to human rights, for example supporting regimes that jail gays for being gay, or supporting armed-struggles, and then perhaps revisit recent decisions that have been grudgingly accepted and limited, with feeble excuses that it's covered "elsewhere". Saying it twice, just to be absolutely crystal-clear, is not a problem. Leaving it hazy and fudged is going to lead to it being a problem.
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post Jul 29 2018, 06:59 PM
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Labour have handled this spectacularly badly. They could not have have got this more wrong if they tried. (not unlike their Brexit policy)

They need to scrap this shit and start again. Consult and actually listen to Jewish members of the party, prominent activists and community leaders from across the UK's Jewish communities and get a policy that actually takes onboard what these people have to say. I've seen a number of jewish labour members or activists talking about how they inputted into a consultation but were completely ignored. It's like asking BAME people how they feel about racism and then only listening to white people
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post Jul 29 2018, 07:11 PM
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QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Jul 29 2018, 07:59 PM) *
Labour have handled this spectacularly badly. They could not have have got this more wrong if they tried. (not unlike their Brexit policy)

They need to scrap this shit and start again. Consult and actually listen to Jewish members of the party, prominent activists and community leaders from across the UK's Jewish communities and get a policy that actually takes onboard what these people have to say. I've seen a number of jewish labour members or activists talking about how they inputted into a consultation but were completely ignored. It's like asking BAME people how they feel about racism and then only listening to white people


spot on.
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post Jul 30 2018, 05:36 AM
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QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ Jul 29 2018, 08:11 PM) *
spot on.


Seconded.
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post Aug 3 2018, 04:43 PM
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Jeremy Corbyn has now received a show of support from...former Grand Wizard of the KKK, David Duke. Let the cognitive dissonance begin.
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Oh come on.

This is clearly a targeted attack, slinging mud. An anti racist campaigner is not an anti semite. The Tory Boys meeting with an actual Neo Nazi however!!!!

Let's talk about that BBC. Yes BBC? No BBC? Yes BBC? No? Yes? No?
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post Aug 3 2018, 05:43 PM
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Yes there are some serious bias issues at the BBC but let’s not use that to brush off the KKK supportin Corbyn. Both our major parties have serious issues with racism and anti-semitism. Both should do a root and branch review and remove the offenders immediately. Of course in the Tories case they’d lose about 50% of their elected officials and up to 100% in certain parts of the country (looking at you with serious judgement NE Scotland)
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post Aug 3 2018, 06:18 PM
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QUOTE(Bilbo Ballbaggin @ Aug 3 2018, 06:02 PM) *
Oh come on.

This is clearly a targeted attack, slinging mud. An anti racist campaigner is not an anti semite. The Tory Boys meeting with an actual Neo Nazi however!!!!

Let's talk about that BBC. Yes BBC? No BBC? Yes BBC? No? Yes? No?


I am coming more round to your viewpoint that the BBC are making some terrible news editing decisions - however, that doesn't mean that Corbyn isn't also making some terrible decisions, nor that other parties are any better, nor that that excuses any of them.

2 wrongs don't make a right. Corbyn is not the Messiah, he's a flawed, hypocritical, human being who has no real ideas on the major issue of our times and how it will practically affect all of his desired policies (many of which most of us would support) even if he somehow got elected into power. That's why he says nothing 2 years after he insisted we should immediately invoke Article 50 before even the shocked Brexiters did......
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post Aug 3 2018, 07:29 PM
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Even if that happened, as it did in 2015 according to what I can see of the story, clearly things changed, because this tweet from the KKK guy himself seems to entirely contradict that.

It just seems like the Times is fishing for a story and printing out-of-date and uncorroborated news, I don't always buy that the media has it in for Corbyn but this looks like they are trying very hard to make something stick against him.
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post Aug 3 2018, 07:36 PM
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Well frankly, August is "silly season" in the news for a reason!
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Jeremy Corbyn has written an editorial to The Guardian, saying that he will root antisemitism out of the party. It's already received some criticism from some quarters, as it appears that a lot of it was copied and pasted from an article he wrote back in April for a different paper.
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post Aug 3 2018, 08:30 PM
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Well, when the media is copy and pasting this ridiculous fake news vs him, he can do the same.
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post Aug 4 2018, 05:45 AM
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QUOTE(Bilbo Ballbaggin @ Aug 3 2018, 09:30 PM) *
Well, when the media is copy and pasting this ridiculous fake news vs him, he can do the same.


It's not so much about him, but of members of his party.

The press are searching for anything they can fit into the pattern they are trying to prove - just as also happens to UKIP iro immigration/racism.

It's a standard press tactic - there are always a few bad apples in any political party, so the press concentrates on them, trying to exaggerate an issue just to sell more copies.
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post Aug 4 2018, 08:48 AM
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oh the story is clearly bullshit and has nothing to do with Corbyn.
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post Aug 4 2018, 09:26 AM
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back on topic. What does Harry Potter think?

"J.K. Rowling

If you’ve spent any time at all in left wing politics, you’ve met at least one ‘socialist’ who’d be pathetically easy for a fascist to flip. Here’s a Corbyn fan happily contemplating British Jews fleeing their own country out of fear of a Corbyn government. Just f***ing saying."
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post Aug 6 2018, 07:31 PM
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another day another missed opportunity to stop the ongoing saga. Even Boris Johnson, a gaping Tory own goal, can't get Corbyn off his complacent allotment...

"Jeremy Duns

A single tweet from Corbyn against #resignwatson last night would have stopped it. Something like 'Tom is a brilliant deputy leader and I take his comments very seriously - please don't attack our hard-working comrade. We will work together on this.' Instead: nothing."

The asylum is very much being run by the inmates in the United Kingdom....
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post Aug 17 2018, 07:45 AM
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to be fair it's not just Labour, Twitter also seems to have problems defining what is and isn't anti-semitism:

"Jeet Heer

Jeet Heer Retweeted The Jewish Worker
Twitter suspended this account for post an anti-Nazi image created in the Warsaw Ghetto. (Later, obviously, unsuspended). Yet this have a hard time suspending actual Nazis. Weird.Jeet Heer added,

The Jewish Worker

@JewishWorker
Cover of the Yiddish socialist youth newspaper Yungt Shtimme (Voice of the Youth), published in the Warsaw Ghetto, c. 1940. The lower text reads "Fascism must be crushed." "
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And we have another episode in the continuing saga of "UK politics just keeps getting weirder". Stephen Pollard, a journalist for the Jewish Chronicle, has tweeted today to claim that Labour's frequent attacks on the banks for the part they played in the financial downturn is another sign of anti-semitism. This really is getting extremely silly.
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post Sep 23 2018, 09:47 AM
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We need to change this biased, BBC style tagline, when Tories are more anti semetic anyway, to something less biased, such assss


LABOUR SUPPORTS A NEW REFERENDUM!
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