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 May 21 2021, 08:16 AM
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 I'm a paragon so don't perceive me
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No need to eyeroll me. Under ceasefire conditions, Israel is a normal, developed country. Gaza is a blockaded and poverty-stricken strip of land where nearly half of the 2 million population are children, most are not free to leave due to the Israeli blockade and what governance they have is dictated by extremists. Many Palestinian civilians die in times of 'peace' too. That it continues to exist and relevant world leaders are happy to let this horrific status quo go unresolved is a tragedy.
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May 22 2021, 04:12 PM
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I think a one state solution is more lilely to succeed over a two state solution, especially given how small both are, with Israel unlikely to cede much control over Gaza because of how threatened they feel with some neighbouring countries that are hostile towards them, namely Iran. However, it is such a complicated topic that there is no absolute answer. In fact, I was reading one article the other day that said a one state solution could result in an apartheid state, like what South Africa was.
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 May 24 2021, 07:35 PM
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This post has been edited by Voodoo: May 24 2021, 10:10 PM |
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May 24 2021, 07:53 PM
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What part of that was supposed to be funny?
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May 24 2021, 08:38 PM
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Buffy/Charmed
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Hilarious??
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May 24 2021, 08:48 PM
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 Break the tension
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Seriously, WTF is wrong with you?
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May 24 2021, 10:09 PM
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 The owls are not what they seem
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If you're gonna keep posting in here, then do it properly and actually back up your points rather than posting nonsense like that and brief, provocative statements. Any more will be removed. This is a sensitive topic, have some decency.
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Jun 13 2021, 08:49 PM
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Netanyahu has finally been toppled as Israeli PM despite his Trump-like efforts to hold on. My hopes for the new government are not exactly high but let's hope I'm proved wrong.
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Jun 13 2021, 09:29 PM
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Queen of Soon
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Bye bitch.
Sadly I think he will be back in rather a short amount of time, unless he’s actually found guilty and jailed before this fragile coalition collapses |
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Jun 13 2021, 11:10 PM
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I'll just stick around and do some more damage
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The nature of the new coalition should, in theory, prevent it from doing anything too radical. If Bennett really tries to be even worse than Netanyahu as some are warning it only takes one of the more left wing / Arab parties to withdraw their support and the coalition collapses again.
It's very strange to see a government being formed between parties who really have absolutely nothing in common besides hating Netanyahu. Hard to see it lasting very long but I hope it can somehow bring some more stability. |
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Jun 13 2021, 11:22 PM
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Say that hiss with your chest, and...
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The fast vaccine rollout didn't help Netanyahu much then?
As you say though Bre its good that the nature of the coalition helps keeps things from becoming too radical. |
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Jun 15 2021, 11:30 PM
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I'm a paragon so don't perceive me
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2 days after a new government installed and the ceasefire hasn't held, Gaza is being bombed again.
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 Jun 15 2021, 11:35 PM
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QUOTE(Iz 💀 @ Jun 16 2021, 02:30 AM)  2 days after a new government installed and the ceasefire hasn't held, Gaza is being bombed again. Of course you failed to mention that Hamas flew baloon bombs first. This post has been edited by Voodoo: Jun 15 2021, 11:37 PM |
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Jun 16 2021, 01:52 AM
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I'm a paragon so don't perceive me
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Because as ever, it's not a proportional response. The balloons have caused fires in fields, the airstrikes are levelling places where people live. If we want to go to who started it, there was a highly publicised Jerusalem Day flag march in Israel very recently where Jews chanted 'death to Arabs'. Neither side is blameless.
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Jun 16 2021, 07:32 AM
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thanks for being a sarcy lil bitch
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QUOTE(Voodoo @ Jun 16 2021, 02:35 AM) Of course you failed to mention that Hamas flew baloon bombs first. Hardly anyone here has any bias in this except you. |
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Oct 7 2023, 11:00 AM
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All kicking off here - again. Hamas have launched surprise terrorist attack, killed at least 22 Israelis and taken hostages. Of course Israel's retribution will be likely very brutal and a lot of innocent civilians will end up dead.
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Oct 7 2023, 11:44 AM
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I'm a paragon so don't perceive me
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Very hard to see this ending without more deaths on both sides and a worsening of the situation overall, f*** Hamas.
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Oct 7 2023, 04:18 PM
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Over 100(!) Israelis were murdered today, whereas hundreds were injured. Tens were kidnapped by Hamas terrorists. This post has been edited by Voodoo: Oct 7 2023, 04:18 PM |
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Oct 7 2023, 05:01 PM
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Some are saying Iran was behind the attack by Hamas. This is a very dangerous situations - well over 100 Palestinians killed today in retaliation and Israel have barely started.
Which of course will lead to increased tensions between Muslims and Jews in the UK too, as has always been the case when there has been a particularly bloodthirsty episodes between Israel and Palestine. |
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Oct 7 2023, 05:35 PM
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I'm a paragon so don't perceive me
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Yeah I don't want to do the counting thing but very telling of the living situations of both groups that the numbers of Palestinians killed in the retaliation was so quickly a higher number. Tragic deaths on both sides of the conflict.
Which doesn't change the idea that Hamas are clearly the least excusable group in all of this, very disheartening that I've seen a bunch of generally left-leaning people who are mostly good at calling out Israeli apartheid seem almost gleeful at this catching the IDF off guard. That isn't going to help the victims in all of this and there's real bloodshed going on out there and makes people who like to think of themselves as more moralistic look monstrous to wrap it up in 'the colonisers are getting what they deserve' language. On the opposite token, also disheartening that Corbyn's 'let's get to the root of the problem and solve peace' tweet got Conservative MPs and commentators firing off various versions of 'disgusting. everyone who supported this man to become PM should be excised from public life' once again. His refusal to condemn Hamas isn't great (and by the same token, Starmer/Sunak's full-on assertion that Israel is 100% in the right isn't great - both statements have their strengths and weaknesses) but it's better than his foreign policy views on Ukraine, at least in this scenario peace doesn't mean capitulating to extremists, because there is no world in which a peaceful resolution involves Hamas. as ever with this subject, a lose for anyone who follows political discourse and likes nuance. |
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