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Posted by: JosephMendes Jan 22 2016, 10:03 PM

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-01-22/doctor-who-showrunner-steven-moffat-quits-to-be-replaced-by-broadchurch-creator-chris-chibnall

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Steven Moffat has decided that his “timey wimey” as showrunner of Doctor Who has come to an end and he will step down as the show’s lead writer and executive producer after six series at the helm, RadioTimes.com can reveal.

Moffatt will hand over the keys to the TARDIS at the end of the next series in 2017 to Broadchurch writer and Doctor Who fan Chris Chibnall.

BBC1 has decided to air Moffat’s final 12-part series - the 10th of the modern era - in spring 2017. Chibnall’s debut series as head writer and executive producer will launch in 2018.

A Christmas special WILL air this year overseen by Moffat, though it is unclear whether Peter Capaldi’s new companion will feature. The companion, who will replace Jenna Coleman's Clara Oswald, will definitely be in place for the spring 2017 series, say BBC sources.


Explaining the decision to hold Moffat’s last series until next year, BBC1 controller Charlotte Moore said: “I have decided to schedule Steven’s big finale series in Spring 2017 to bring the nation together for what will be a huge event on the channel. 2016 is spoilt with national moments including the Euros and Olympics and I want to hold something big back for 2017 - I promise it will be worth the wait!”

It is unclear if the plan is now to make Doctor Who a series which regularly begins its runs in the spring when Chibnall becomes showrunner. “That is all to be decided,” said a BBC source, who pointed out that it began airing in the spring when it was relaunched by Russell T Davies in 2005.

Moffat said of his decision to quit: “Feels odd to be talking about leaving when I’m just starting work on the scripts for season 10, but the fact is my timey-wimey is running out. While Chris is doing his last run of Broadchurch, I’ll be finishing up on the best job in the universe and keeping the TARDIS warm for him. It took a lot of gin and tonic to talk him into this, but I am beyond delighted that one of the true stars of British Television drama will be taking the Time Lord even further into the future. At the start of season 11, Chris Chibnall will become the new showrunner of Doctor Who. And I will be thrown in a skip.”

Moore, who next month takes over a super controller’s job at the BBC, paid tribute to Moffat and welcomed Chibnall into the Doctor Who fold.

“I want to thank Steven Moffat for everything he has given Doctor Who – I’ve loved working with him, he is an absolute genius and has brought fans all over the world such joy,” she added. “I will be very sad to see him leave the show but I can’t wait to see what he will deliver in his last ever series next year with a brand new companion.

“I would also like to take this opportunity to welcome Chris Chibnall, a wonderfully talented writer who I know will bring something very special to the hit series.”

Like Moffat, Chibnall is also a lifelong Doctor Who fan and a multi-award winning writer and executive producer. He has most recently achieved success with the triple BAFTA winning hit ITV series Broadchurch. His other credits include BAFTA nominated The Great Train Robbery, United, Law & Order: UK, Life on Mars and Torchwood.

He said: "Doctor Who is the ultimate BBC programme: bold, unique, vastly entertaining, and adored all around the world. So it's a privilege and a joy to be the next curator of this funny, scary and emotional family drama. I’ve loved Doctor Who since I was four years old, and I’m relishing the thought of working with the exceptional team at BBC Wales to create new characters, creatures and worlds for the Doctor to explore. Steven’s achieved the impossible by continually expanding Doctor Who's creative ambition, while growing its global popularity. He’s been a dazzling and daring showrunner, and hearing his plans and stories for 2017, it’s clear he’ll be going out with a bang. Just to make my life difficult."

Polly Hill, BBC controller of drama commissioning, added: “Like Charlotte I would like to thank Steven for his brilliance, which has made Doctor Who a global hit under his tenure. Chris Chibnall is the perfect successor to take over the reins of this incredible show, so I am delighted that his love for Doctor Who has made it impossible for him to resist ! Chris is an incredible writer and his vision and passion for Doctor Who gives it an exciting future and promises to be a real treat for Doctor Who fans across the world.”


Chris is an interesting choice. His Torchwood episodes were amazing but his Doctor Who ones are a mixed bag. I hope he'll do it justice though, I don't think Moffat would've left without knowing the show was in safe hands!

Also think it's a good idea to rest the show for most of this year, gives the public a chance to crave some more Who while Moffat works on making his last series amazing.

Posted by: FreezeTimeAdam❄️ Jan 22 2016, 10:12 PM

Just looking on the Wikia for what episodes he's written. I agree that they're a mixed bag (as Dinosaurs on a Spaceship was one of the worst episodes laugh.gif ) but this will definitely be a huge loss to the series for me. cry.gif

Shame we're having to wait over a year though sad.gif

Posted by: Froot. Jan 22 2016, 10:20 PM

omg, another year to wait nooo. It's the right decision though, it was getting a bit lost and pushed aside in the Autumn because of Strictly, the Spring suits it better.

In regards to the bigger news, Steven's departure was to be expected and six series is a HUGE amount and it does mean its time to move on, just to freshen it up for the general audience. Chris Chibnall though, I didn't expect that. ohmy.gif He did a great job on Torchwood as executive producer and Broadchurch is fantastic but, I agree, I'm not the biggest fan of his Doctor Who episodes (Power of Three is probably my favourite). Change is exciting for a show like this though, so I'm looking forward to see his take on the show!

It's great news that they're still invested in the show though. After the rumours of the BBC's initial response to RTD's depature, I was concerned they might be hesitant to continue it again without an obvious replacement. And it's great that we've got two more series confirmed! cheer.gif

I'm going to guess that Peter will bow out with Steven.

Posted by: Chez Wombat Jan 22 2016, 10:21 PM

The person who wrote Dinosaurs on a Spaceship becoming the full time writer doesn't fill me hope, but at least it's not Mark Gatiss I suppose.

I think it's good we've got a year's wait, the ratings/quality have been a tad inconsistent for the last few years and the last series felt like quite a fitting conclusion for now anyway what with Clara now gone. He SHOULD theoretically at least have some time to make it come back better than ever, and hopefully the public will be a bit more receptive to it when it's been gone a while.

Posted by: liamk97 Jan 23 2016, 12:15 AM

I'll definitely be tuning into the new series under a new producer - I completely went off Doctor Who when Moffat took over and have not been able to get back in despite various attempts. Okay so Chris Chibnall has apparently created some not so good episodes but Moffat created some of the best under Russell T Davies' run but that didn't stop him ruining the series for me when he took over.

Posted by: Qween Jan 23 2016, 12:33 AM

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Posted by: burbe Jan 23 2016, 01:56 AM

Finally he's gone! Although seeing some of the episodes Chibnall has been responsible for doesn't full me with much hope. But I doubt he would've got the job if they were worried. He needs to focus on making the series more accessible for the general audience like it was under RTD.

I'm not surprised they want to hold series 10 back until 2017. BBC One has a massive gap in its schedule there with losing The Voice and Doctor Who was getting lost in the Autumn slot.

Posted by: Virginia's Walls Jan 23 2016, 02:34 AM

After the huuuge flop of this series the break is no surprise. Capaldi HAS to next though.

Dinosaurs on a ... Spaceship fame blink.gif

He obviously doesn't understqnd Doc Who,casually turning him into a killer on that gross episode.

Axe!!

Posted by: T Boy Jan 23 2016, 09:55 AM

Moffat leaving is long overdue. Time for a fresh take on it all.

Posted by: Slick Jan 23 2016, 03:21 PM

I can't say I'm surprised that Moffat is stepping down, it was just a case of "when." And with no announcement of any Who episodes coming this year after the Christmas ep, it was very likely that the series was going to be postponed (which could be a really good thing for the series - give people a chance to miss it.)

I'm not sure how I feel about Chris Chibnall. The episodes he's written aren't especially memorable (unlike those Moffat had written pre-Exec Producer status.) Then again he's capable of BROADCHURCH, which gives me some hope.

Series 10 is going to be FAB because it's Moffat's last series and he's capable of really pulling it out of the bag. Anyone else think he'll take Capaldi with him?

Posted by: Calum Hood Jan 23 2016, 09:31 PM

Could sense that it would be coming soon considering Moffat's recent comments saying he was actively involved in looking for his replacement, so it was just a matter of time I guess. Will definitely miss him, because the show's been at its absolute best in his era, and has obviously been the most successful period for the show. Can see Peter doing the same as David and leaving when Moffat does.

Not sure how I feel about Chibnall though. The only episode of his that he's written for the show I can say I'm a fan of is 'The Power of Three'. His Torchwood episodes are great though, so I'll go in with an open mind.

Posted by: Qween Jan 24 2016, 12:21 AM

Has the series REALLY been the most popular under Moffat's tenure? By what metric?

I'm not saying quality, or success of a showrunner, is based on figures but Moffat's time has certainly not been met with either huge viewing figures or mass critical acclaim, so I struggle to see how he could conceivably be classed as a success under those terms. My own personal dislike for his running of the show and general downward trend (bar S9) of the show under his tenure standing entirely separate.

Posted by: Calum Hood Jan 24 2016, 12:34 AM

QUOTE(Qween @ Jan 24 2016, 12:21 AM) *
Has the series REALLY been the most popular under Moffat's tenure? By what metric?

I'm not saying quality, or success of a showrunner, is based on figures but Moffat's time has certainly not been met with either huge viewing figures or mass critical acclaim, so I struggle to see how he could conceivably be classed as a success under those terms. My own personal dislike for his running of the show and general downward trend (bar S9) of the show under his tenure standing entirely separate.

Well it's certainly a lot more popular now than it was during the RTD era. Moffat's era has helped to push the show internationally.

Granted, it isn't more popular in terms of ratings, and so he can't be praised for being a success in that region, but in terms of the Doctor Who brand as a whole, it exploded at the beginning of this era, and has continued to.

Posted by: Mackenzie Jan 24 2016, 02:18 AM

In a way I'm glad, his ideas have defiantly become stale as his time's progressed and it'll bring a fresh lease of air to the show! As amazing as Moffat has been, I'm thankful for the change tbh

Posted by: Qween Jan 24 2016, 09:44 AM

QUOTE(Calum Hood @ Jan 24 2016, 12:34 AM) *
Well it's certainly a lot more popular now than it was during the RTD era. Moffat's era has helped to push the show internationally.

Granted, it isn't more popular in terms of ratings, and so he can't be praised for being a success in that region, but in terms of the Doctor Who brand as a whole, it exploded at the beginning of this era, and has continued to.


But is any of that down to Moffat himself? The BBC has started pushing it's US wing far more heavily in the last few years in general and I'm not entirely sure there's any evidence as to it actually being more popular either, aside from more countries choosing to air it, which again, is almost entirely removed from him being showrunner. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that couldn't be the case, just that it's a case of attributing causality to a relationship which has no direct correlation.

Posted by: Virginia's Walls Jan 24 2016, 09:48 AM

QUOTE(Qween @ Jan 24 2016, 09:44 AM) *
But is any of that down to Moffat himself? The BBC has started pushing it's US wing far more heavily in the last few years in general and I'm not entirely sure there's any evidence as to it actually being more popular either, aside from more countries choosing to air it, which again, is almost entirely removed from him being showrunner. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that couldn't be the case, just that it's a case of attributing causality to a relationship which has no direct correlation.


Absolutely this.

Posted by: burbe Feb 29 2016, 07:31 PM

Rakhee Thakrar is one of the names rumoured to be the next companion: http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-02-29/could-ex-eastender-rakhee-thakrar-join-doctor-who-as-the-new-companion

I would forgive her for leaving Eastenders if it was to join Doctor Who! This would be incredible! biggrin.gif

Posted by: T Boy Feb 29 2016, 07:54 PM

But then I would always be reminded of how Shabnam has left no.gif

Posted by: Froot. Feb 29 2016, 08:14 PM

From what I've seen of her, that would be fantastic casting!

Posted by: T Boy Feb 29 2016, 08:26 PM

Just realised its Rakhee's birthday today and she's 32 but because she was born on a leap year, she's technically still 8!

Posted by: Froot. Apr 21 2016, 05:02 PM

The new companion will be revealed during half-time of the FA Cup semi-final on Saturday, so around 6:00pm on BBC One!!

Ready to start the build-up to a whole new era!

Posted by: Suedehead2 Apr 21 2016, 05:23 PM

QUOTE(Froot. @ Apr 21 2016, 06:02 PM) *
The new companion will be revealed during half-time of the FA Cup semi-final on Saturday, so around 6:00pm on BBC One!!

Ready to start the build-up to a whole new era!

It's the 400th anniversary of Shakespeare's death on Saturday, so it must be Anne Hathaway biggrin.gif

Posted by: Brett-Butler Apr 21 2016, 05:32 PM

QUOTE(Froot. @ Apr 21 2016, 06:02 PM) *
The new companion will be revealed during half-time of the FA Cup semi-final on Saturday, so around 6:00pm on BBC One!!

Ready to start the build-up to a whole new era!


Because football fans are obviously the biggest purveyors of sci-fi.

Posted by: Slick Apr 21 2016, 10:21 PM

I didn't realise we'd have an announcement so soon! Looking forward to seeing who they've gone for.

Posted by: popchartfreak Apr 22 2016, 11:41 AM

QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Apr 21 2016, 06:23 PM) *
It's the 400th anniversary of Shakespeare's death on Saturday, so it must be Anne Hathaway biggrin.gif


Ha! I dreamed a dream...

Posted by: Brett-Butler Apr 23 2016, 05:22 PM

Pearl Mackie is The Doctor's new companion. She is currently starring in the West End production of 'The Curious Incident of The Dog In The Night Time'. She's got limited TV/film experience, with her only roles being a bit part in the British film Svengali & like all Equity members, an episode of BBC soap Doctors.

Posted by: JosephStyles Apr 23 2016, 05:40 PM

Character's name is Bill! Not sure on that name but the character and acting seemed good in the short clip they showed, excited biggrin.gif

Posted by: spadogs Apr 23 2016, 06:24 PM

She seems like she could shape up an interesting character! Would be nice to have another companion with a similar personality like Martha I think.

Posted by: popchartfreak Apr 23 2016, 06:42 PM

She reminded me of ace in the short clip, a bit sassy and street. Hmmm...

Posted by: Froot. Apr 23 2016, 11:36 PM

In terms of her character, I think that clip will have put more people off than attracting people. I'm hoping that they might be trying to achieve something similar to Donna though so I will withhold my personal judgement.

It's good though that its clear from the offset that she'll be different to Clara. I'm just not sure, based from that clip, if she's suitable for Peter's Doctor.

Still exciting nonetheless and its great that they shot something special for the reveal!

Posted by: Mack Apr 24 2016, 09:23 AM

Not sure if the Peter's doctor and her could look although I'll wait and see what happens there.

Posted by: Virginia's Walls Apr 24 2016, 09:41 AM

QUOTE(spadogs @ Apr 23 2016, 06:24 PM) *
She seems like she could shape up an interesting character! Would be nice to have another companion with a similar personality like Martha I think.


Martha Jones was the WORST!

Posted by: Severin Apr 24 2016, 10:39 AM

Well she looks awful

Posted by: JosephStyles Apr 24 2016, 11:50 AM

QUOTE(Virginia @ Apr 24 2016, 10:41 AM) *
Martha Jones was the WORST!

Let's not go there.

Posted by: Chez Wombat Apr 24 2016, 01:20 PM

True tho ph34r.gif

From that clip, she looks really annoying :'( I can only hope they do something interesting with her that doesn't make her the standard ditzy comic relief character (although something other than 'most important woman in the universe' that's been used for EVERY companion would also be nice).

Posted by: Froot. Apr 24 2016, 01:42 PM

I'm sure they're just trying to immediately show that she's different to Amy/Clara and highlight some personality, which can be quite hard to do in a 2 minute clip. I am holding out for a Donna-style development as I remember being so annoyed when I heard that she would be joining Series 4 but, the fact that she brought something different to the classic everyday girl meant she became one of my favourite companions!

The clip for those yet to see!:


Posted by: ♡ Heezus Froot ♡ Apr 24 2016, 02:16 PM

She looks interesting, like a combination of Donna & Martha. Looking forward to Series 7!

Posted by: danG Apr 24 2016, 02:22 PM

lead companion rank:

1 Rose Tyler
2 Donna Noble
3 Clara Oswald
4 Amy Pond
5 Martha Jones

can't judge Bill much from the clip but it looks like she'll be different to Clara which is good, hopefully I'll like her. Not a fan of the name Bill though, sounds like a man's name.

Posted by: JosephStyles Apr 24 2016, 02:23 PM

1. Martha
2. Donna
3. Rose
4. Clara
5. Amy
6. Rory

I do really like them all though, and I'm excited for Bill!

Posted by: Lee_J11 Apr 24 2016, 03:37 PM

Severely underwhelmed... hated that clip.

I fear she is going to fall into Martha territory and no-one is here for that

Posted by: JosephStyles Apr 24 2016, 03:39 PM

I am here for Martha territory cheer.gif

Posted by: T Boy Apr 24 2016, 04:03 PM

1) Donna
2) Rose
3) Clara
4) Amy
5) Martha

I love that whatever the discussed topic is, Joseph's faves are always the lamest laugh.gif

Posted by: JosephStyles Apr 24 2016, 04:10 PM

Martha is totally underrated, it's such a shame. She wasn't perfect and I wish they didn't have the concept of unrequited love between her and the Doctor but other than that, I definitely don't get the hate, she was a strong character, and she came about at the peak of my love for the show, hence why she is my #1 wub.gif

Posted by: T Boy Apr 24 2016, 04:38 PM

I don't think anyone hates her. She just didn't seem particularly interesting and was unfortunate to land between Rose and Donna for her tenure as companion.

Posted by: Virginia's Walls Apr 24 2016, 05:53 PM

QUOTE(Severin @ Apr 24 2016, 11:39 AM) *
Well she looks awful


As bad as Martha Jones or even worse!!

Posted by: Virginia's Walls Apr 24 2016, 05:55 PM

QUOTE(T Boy @ Apr 24 2016, 05:03 PM) *
1) Donna
2) Rose
3) Clara
4) Amy
5) Martha

I love that whatever the discussed topic is, Joseph's faves are always the lamest laugh.gif


laugh.gif

1. Rose
2. Amy
3. Clara
3. Donna
5. Rory
6. Rose's Mum
7. John Barryman
8. Mickey
9. Martha

Posted by: spadogs Apr 24 2016, 06:08 PM

1. Amy (ofc wub.gif)
2. Rose
3. Clara
4. Donna
5. John Barryman
6. Martha
7. Rory
8. Mickey
9. Rose's Mum

Posted by: Chez Wombat Apr 24 2016, 06:14 PM

Rose (the best, no questions k ;o)
Amy
Clara
Donna (ew)
Martha (ew [2])

Posted by: Virginia's Walls Apr 24 2016, 06:23 PM

I hated that trailer. It was awful. It was so cheesy and so set up, especially the slow turn and questionable acting.

Posted by: Slick Apr 24 2016, 07:06 PM

I'm withholding judgement until I've seen her in a proper episode. There's definitely potential there and she does seem more 'street' than any of the other recent companions which could make for some amusing moments with Capaldi's Doctor (and it's also quite a refreshing change.) Too early to judge so WE'LL SEE.

Posted by: Garyy Apr 24 2016, 07:37 PM

RANK RANK RANK

1. Queen Clara Oswald
2. Princess Rose Tyler
3. Donna Noble
4. Martha Jonas
5. Amy Pond

The companion looks interesting! Can't really judge by a 2 minute clip, but she seems decent.

Posted by: Slick Apr 24 2016, 07:58 PM

RANK

01. Donna
02. Rose
03. Clara
04. Amy
05. Martha

VERY close Top 3 there.

Posted by: ♡ Heezus Froot ♡ May 17 2016, 12:54 AM

1) Donna
2) Rose
3) Martha
4) River
5) Clara
6) Sarah Jane
7) Donna's Grandpa
8) Rose's Mum
9) Amy
10) Captain Jack
11) Rory
12) The guy that traveled with The Doctor and Rose for a couple of episodes in Series 1
13) Mickey

Posted by: PVRISPVDVM May 20 2016, 03:08 PM

QUOTE(♡ Heezus Froot ♡ @ May 17 2016, 01:54 AM) *
12) The guy that traveled with The Doctor and Rose for a couple of episodes in Series 1

It was Adam I think? Can't remember his surname. Wasn't that big on him as a character though.

Posted by: Mackenzie May 22 2016, 11:34 AM

01. Rose
02. Donna
03. Martha
04. Clara




05. Amy

Rose still ranks the highest being the best companion since 2005. Donna is a close second, with them both having their fair share of scenes which made me cry lol. Martha and Clara were both nice additions to the show, but I feel lacked the personality Rose/Donna captured. Why was Amy even a character, completely dreadful and honestly what made me turn off the show for a while.

Posted by: burbe May 22 2016, 09:56 PM

Rose was good in series 1, but I hated the whole fawning over the Doctor version of Rose in Series 2 and Martha in Series 3. It works better when the Doctor had his companion are just good friends. For me, this is why Rose in Series 1 and Donna are the best.

Posted by: T Boy May 23 2016, 07:28 PM

I never liked Rose with Tennant. She was best with Eccleston. Tennant's best companion was obviously Donna.

Posted by: JosephOdell Jun 14 2016, 12:16 PM

Confirmed by the BBC that Matt Lucas is reprising his role as Nardole throughout series 10! Not sure if that means he'll be a head in a robot again or what but he was amusing in the Christmas special I guess, interested to see how it will work.

Posted by: JosephStyles Jul 8 2016, 12:56 PM

Today marks 10 years since Doomsday aired... god I feel old sad.gif

Posted by: memebury. Jul 8 2016, 02:00 PM

QUOTE(JosephStyles @ Jul 8 2016, 01:56 PM) *
Today marks 10 years since Doomsday aired... god I feel old sad.gif

Wow, this is more surprising than me than any of the stats in the lounge thread!

Posted by: T Boy Jul 8 2016, 09:09 PM

QUOTE(JosephStyles @ Jul 8 2016, 01:56 PM) *
Today marks 10 years since Doomsday aired... god I feel old sad.gif


Just why is 2006 so long ago??? I really miss it sad.gif

Posted by: Froot. Oct 7 2016, 05:56 PM

First look at the Christmas special which will be called: The Return of Doctor Mysterio



It sees Matt Lucas return as Nardole, who made an appearance in 'The Husbands of River Song' (last year's Christmas special), and he will also be appearing throughout Series 10. The episode sees a superhero (mellow.gif), whose real name is Grant, played by Justin Chatwin and an investigative journalist played by Charity Wakefield. Adetomiwa Edun, Aleksandar Jovanovic and Logan Hoffman also appear in the episode that will be set (at least partially) in New York.




I'm sure they'll be a twist to the superhero thing as like they did when Santa Claus appeared but I'm still a bit like is it necessary? I'm not sure how it will fit but I like how it's set in New York anyway.

Posted by: Danvember Nov 19 2016, 02:36 PM



interesting.

Posted by: Chez Wombat Nov 19 2016, 03:45 PM

Errrr, so are Doctor Who now trying to appeal to a younger audience by emulating Marvel orrrr? I'm sure it won't be that simple, but that clip doesn't really fill me with hope. Also I wish they'd brought back Greg Davies rather than Matt Lucas.

Posted by: Danvember Nov 19 2016, 05:08 PM

hopefully the superhero turns out to be the bad guy in all this and the Doctor has to defeat him, that's where it'd get interesting.

Posted by: Bluth Nov 19 2016, 06:25 PM

At the moment, I'm really not feeling the whole concept of the episode as its not what the show is about at all! However, I did think that about Santa in 'Last Christmas' and that turned out to be my favourite Christmas special so we'll see. I just think we're in Superhero overload as it is laugh.gif

Also, Nardole (Matt Lucas' character) is going to be a regular guest character in Series 10 for better or worse.

I think the superhero could also be the villain as you suggest Dan as his 'logo' is a G and an I which could stand for The Great Intelligence' who were in 'The Snowmen', 'The Bells of Saint John' and 'The Name of the Doctor' as well as in the classic series.

Posted by: Christmas Dec 27 2016, 12:02 PM

That was probably one of my least favourite episodes. There was next to no plot as it mainly just focused on 'omg he's a superhero but she doesn't know'. I didn't care for either of the characters, the girl in particular was just a wet lettuce. Nardole's appearance was very pointless and it was clear that he had been a last minute addition, as Steven Moffat basically has said. There was no tension because the villains weren't really focused on, they were only there for like 5 minutes at the start and then the final 10 minutes or so. They did hint at whoever they were returning though so maybe they'll be more focus on them in Series 10. (In fact I've just seen there that they made a brief appearance in last year's Christmas special so maybe its part of a wider arc? (I did think that the head opening was familiar)



I am looking forward to the next series though! It does look like they're taking it back to basics more with Bill just being an ordinary person looking for a better life and has no idea about the wider universe and actually has a personality from the start. That's what the show needs again I think.

Posted by: Qween Dec 27 2016, 07:15 PM

I thought it was great to be honest, but then I didn't finish S9 so I've been out of the WHO loop for a bit. It was a nice, tight, coherent story which was a good one hour watch. I love arcs and self referencing and that as much as anyone else, but the last few years of the show have become a little too self satisfied and po faced with it all so it was great to see an episode which just focused on the Doctor saving the world against some bad guys. I thought Justin and Charity were excellent and, despite it being a well worn trope, brought so much fun and chemistry to the roles that it ended up being jolly good fun.

Matt Lucas wasn't the worst thing ever, which was quite a surprise and BIG LAUGHS at him being all smug at working out Superman is Clark Kent and then Grant just being like ''everyone know's that''. Brilliant.

Posted by: JosephCarey Dec 27 2016, 07:23 PM

Matt Lucas was excellent, I quite enjoyed him last year but he bounced off Capaldi really well this year, quite excited to see more of him in the next series! The two sides to the episode didn't really mix well for me but I enjoyed it regardless as a bit of Christmas fun. 100% agree that it was great to have an episode that stands on its own rather than being overly complicated!

Posted by: Frosty Xmas Baps Dec 27 2016, 08:10 PM

Martha was a boring potato and the WORST EVER.

Posted by: WiseManFromLeeds Dec 28 2016, 01:35 PM

I enjoyed that speial quite a bit! looking forward to the new series biggrin.gif

Posted by: Christmas Dec 28 2016, 01:54 PM

QUOTE(Frosty Xmas Baps @ Dec 27 2016, 08:10 PM) *
Martha was a boring potato and the WORST EVER.

What has Martha got to do with anything? laugh.gif

Posted by: Slick Dec 30 2016, 04:04 PM

I watched this once with the family (who hated it) and once by myself, and I wasn't hugely impressed either time. I'm never hugely enamoured by Christmas specials but Peter Capaldi's have been quite enjoyable so far, so I hoped this would be the same, but it's not an episode I'll be revisiting.

I liked that the inclusion of the superhero was all quite tongue-in-cheek rather than literally having a superhero because they've been so popular over the past few years. That was an unexpected surprise as I thought they'd be aiming for the latter, which would have been rather desperate. But I thought they did it well.

Overall I wasn't particularly interested in either Grant or Lucy, and the villains weren't threatening at all. I found them nonthreatening in last year's Christmas special too.

The new trailer looks interesting and as much as I adore Doctor Who's complexities, rich history and self-references, I think the show needs to go back to the simpler story-telling which made it a hit in 2005 (Series 1/2.)

Posted by: DalekTurret32 Jan 3 2017, 11:45 PM

Just saw the Christmas special today and I loved it!

Posted by: Glacier Serenade Jan 10 2017, 06:34 PM

Not the best Christmas special tbh, although I've only seen it once. Maybe after seeing it again I'll grow onto it but it tended to drag on sad.gif

Posted by: burbe Jan 10 2017, 07:15 PM

I found it quite boring in parts. I don't care about those two forgettable American characters (can't even remember their names), yet the show centered around them. I enjoyed Matt Lucas much more this time round! Personally, I enjoyed The Husbands of River Song a lot more than this one, which is probably against the status quo of most online opinion.

Posted by: burbe Jan 30 2017, 10:10 PM

It's just been confirmed Series 10 and this year's Christmas Special will be Capaldi's last sad.gif ohmy.gif I did think from previous comments he was in it for the long haul, so quite surprised by this.

Posted by: T Boy Jan 30 2017, 10:15 PM

I can't say I'll be sad to see Capaldi go. He and Moffat need to go.

Posted by: burbe Jan 30 2017, 10:17 PM

I feel like Moffat's overall direction was the problem, but I really enjoyed Capaldi as the Doctor. Especially after two young ones, it made a nice change. It will be interesting to see how much Series 11 changes, they've got a very clear break now with a new Doctor and new show runner. I wonder whether Bill will last that long? They might opt for a complete refresh like Series 5.

Posted by: JosephStyles Jan 30 2017, 10:19 PM

Shame to see Capaldi going, I've really enjoyed his incarnation of the Doctor, although I'm not surprised he's leaving with Moffat. It will be good to get a total breath of fresh air for series 11 I must say!

Posted by: Mart!n Jan 30 2017, 10:28 PM

Peter Capaldi did say he was going to do 1 more series in a Graham Norton interview sometime last year, so I was expecting this to happen this year. I've quite enjoyed Peter as the Doctor, he is one of the best. I bet they go for a younger Dr. next. Would love to see Idris Elba as the new Dr. could give a different dimension to it, and I think the companions will be going as well, so it all starts afresh.

Posted by: Count Olaf Jan 30 2017, 11:27 PM

Yey, really happy about that. As great as Peter Capaldi is, I've never fully warmed to him as the Doctor but I am happy that he got to live out his dream. They need to go back to someone younger for the next Doctor, it's a mistake to go for another older one. The show needs a refresh, which will be largely resolved by Moffatt leaving but I don't think the public have warmed to Peter either. It has wained in popularity over the past few years, which is a given since its 12 years since the reboot but hopefully a refocus with fresh eyes and a fresh cast can revatalise it back in the mainstream.

Now the endless media attention of who will be the next Doctor though. drama.gif

Posted by: Queen LeQueefa Jan 31 2017, 01:40 AM

QUOTE(Christmas @ Dec 28 2016, 01:54 PM) *
What has Martha got to do with anything? laugh.gif


Oh I was gonna comment on the Xmas special (it was alright, nothing special, better than some of them have been) but got distracted when I opened it onto an old page about companions! laugh.gif

OMG can't believe how fast Christmas went past this year ohmy.gif

Also, glad he's gone, he was crap.

Wonder what kills him - might be old age this time! Doctor Who always loses, technically, whenever he regenerates as something was stronger than him.

His ikonek 'How do I fly this thing?' amnesia intro with The Impossible Girl was, however, great!

Posted by: Count Olaf Jan 31 2017, 10:19 AM

Series 10 confirmed to start on Saturday 15th April with 12 episodes!

Posted by: Mark. Feb 4 2017, 01:26 PM

Fans are speculating online that Kris Marshall could be the next Doctor Who
I'd be happy with that
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/2780546/fans-are-convinced-kris-marshall-is-the-next-doctor-who-as-he-steps-down-from-death-in-paradise-just-in-time-to-take-over-from-peter-capaldi/

Posted by: Mart!n Feb 4 2017, 01:37 PM

QUOTE(Mark. @ Feb 4 2017, 01:26 PM) *
Fans are speculating online that Kris Marshall could be the next Doctor Who
I'd be happy with that
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/2780546/fans-are-convinced-kris-marshall-is-the-next-doctor-who-as-he-steps-down-from-death-in-paradise-just-in-time-to-take-over-from-peter-capaldi/


hmmm... Kris Marshall... not too sure, just gives me Peter Davison vibes with those cricket jumpers and camping it laugh.gif

Posted by: Count Olaf Feb 4 2017, 01:47 PM

That's just clickbait journalism. I doubt they'll have started casting for the role yet, and even if they had, it'll have just started as if they'd done it earlier then there's the risk of it leaking that Peter was leaving. It's just that type of awful journalism where they think it's alright to use a few tweets to make an article, I'd expect no less from the Sun.

Just because he's stepped down from a series that films halfway across the world from where his family are doesn't mean he's been cast as the Doctor. laugh.gif

All speculation is just speculation at this point, the only time that it is interesting to read is a day before the announcement as that's when it seems to leak. Anything before that is just clickbait from the media.

Posted by: Queen LeQueefa Feb 4 2017, 01:51 PM

Hope it's Whoopi Goldberg.

Posted by: Chez Wombat Feb 4 2017, 02:22 PM

lol the guy from the BT adverts as the Doctor? I'd quite like to see that.

A shame to see Capaldi go, he didn't seem to connect with the public but I really liked him - his dour, cynical attitude was what the Doctor needed to be I think and a difference was needed after Matt Smith, who just never quite connected with me. Moffat on the other hand was a bit of an overdue departure.

Posted by: T Boy Feb 4 2017, 02:42 PM

You see, after a good start, I felt like Capaldi was pretty much copying Smith.

Posted by: Slick Feb 4 2017, 05:27 PM

I've really enjoyed Capaldi but I have seen a definite lack of interest in the show since his arrival and I'm not entirely sure why - perhaps a combination of his 'harsher, grumpier Doctor' and Moffat (who I think has created some superb Doctor Who in his time) overstaying his welcome at the helm.

I think after Series 8 where Capaldi's Doctor was being grumpy and broody in most episodes, they tried to reign it in for Series 9 but it undermined his Doctor in a way, because he was supposed to be markedly different from David Tennant and Matt Smith. Not that the casual observer probably gives a damn about that...

I fully expected Capaldi to go after 3 series so I'm not surprised and as ever, I'm looking to what's next. As a side note, and I know it's FAR too early to say, but Kris Marshall would be a really exciting choice.


Posted by: Count Olaf Feb 4 2017, 05:40 PM

They were wrong in the direction that they took his Doctor. They tried making him the opposite of David & Matt's Doctors with this nonsense that he 'deletes faces'/doesn't care about people which is basically what his predecessors were all about! Its wrong to make him unlikeable in that way. Changing the lead actor in any show is a huge gamble as it can be a perfect opportunity for the public to switch off. Therefore, the public needs to warm to the new character and so making the Doctor grumpy and getting rid of those aspects that the public have grown to love just isn't going to work! Making him grumpy didn't work in the 80s and it won't work again!

Don't get me wrong, Peter is a fantastic actor and he's had some brilliant moments, 'Heaven Sent' of course being one of them but the character just isn't right when you're trying to maintain that mainstream audience. He's needs to be likeable, he needs to be friendly and he needs to be caring. Reinserting that Matt Smith-like eccentricness isn't enough.

I think the above needs to happen as well as a more lighter and fewer assumptions that viewers know the continuity need to happen. The show was starting to become written for the fans towards the latter parts of Series 9 especailly, particularly when they were in the old TARDIS. Whilst that's fantastic for a fan, it's hurtful to more casual viewers.

Posted by: Slick Feb 4 2017, 05:50 PM

QUOTE(Count Olaf @ Feb 4 2017, 05:40 PM) *
They were wrong in the direction that they took his Doctor. They tried making him the opposite of David & Matt's Doctors with this nonsense that he 'deletes faces'/doesn't care about people which is basically what his predecessors were all about! Its wrong to make him unlikeable in that way. Changing the lead actor in any show is a huge gamble as it can be a perfect opportunity for the public to switch off. Therefore, the public needs to warm to the new character and so making the Doctor grumpy and getting rid of those aspects that the public have grown to love just isn't going to work! Making him grumpy didn't work in the 80s and it won't work again!

Don't get me wrong, Peter is a fantastic actor and he's had some brilliant moments, 'Heaven Sent' of course being one of them but the character just isn't right when you're trying to maintain that mainstream audience. He's needs to be likeable, he needs to be friendly and he needs to be caring. Reinserting that Matt Smith-like eccentricness isn't enough.

I think the above needs to happen as well as a more lighter and fewer assumptions that viewers know the continuity need to happen. The show was starting to become written for the fans towards the latter parts of Series 9 especailly, particularly when they were in the old TARDIS. Whilst that's fantastic for a fan, it's hurtful to more casual viewers.

Completely agree with all of this. It was a gamble to make Capaldi's Doctor so unlikeable, especially after two consecutive Doctors who were dashing and eccentric. It didn't pay off imo and I expect we'll be seeing a return to a more affable Doctor in the next regeneration.

I also agree that as time went along, Moffat wrote more and more for the fanbase as opposed to the general public. Combined with Capaldi's Doctor, it made for a lot of dark, complicated storytelling which will have put the casual viewer off because it just wasn't accessible. Tennant's era in particular had some fantastic dramatic moments but was also light and funny and it didn't require years of pre-knowledge to enjoy.

I'm expecting Series 10 to echo those early Tennant series' with Bill coming on board. A 'reintroduction' to Doctor Who is definitely needed now that Clara has gone.

Posted by: Qween Feb 4 2017, 07:45 PM

I hope we get a FEMALE DOCTOR. I know it's not going to happen and it's been talked about for ages now, but what a time to go for it.

Posted by: Count Olaf Feb 11 2017, 11:54 AM

Missy will be back in the next series! I think they're filming her episodes now so she'll probably be back for the finale or at least towards the end of the series anyway. Really happy about that news as Missy has been excellent and really brings something both fun but dark to the series. Doesn't make me want a female Doctor though!!

Also, there is a http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/series-10-filming-the-truth-is-scary-83067.htm been revealed due to pictures taken during filming. To me, they look like the High Priestess Soothsayer from Series 4's Pompeii episode but they seem really random to bring back!

Posted by: burbe Feb 25 2017, 03:35 PM

New teaser trailer



Doesn't seem to give much away.

Posted by: JosephStyles Mar 6 2017, 05:48 PM

The original Mondasian Cybermen are returning in the finale! More here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho/entries/adff0629-5ce5-4a0e-b81a-69693d489745

Posted by: Klaus Mar 6 2017, 05:55 PM

https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/status/838803941458608128?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Thought this series was going to be a fresh start and a new platform to attract new viewers and those who have switched off but apparently not as they're still playing to the fans by bringing in the original Cyberman. And by original, I mean those from the 60s...

They do look creepy but... they also look like they're from the 60s! drama.gif I know Peter has been banging on about wanting to bring them back so it just feels like its a move to satisfy him as well as the fans. With the show struggling to keep casual viewers, this is competely the wrong move imo. It should be looking to become more accessible again and only include a few casual references to the past. Since Peter was the Doctor, it seems Moffat has wrote more and more for the fans through completely explicit references to the show's 50+ year history which has alienated viewers. sad.gif

Anyway, they'll be back in the two part finale which also features Missy.

EDIT: oh Joseph beat me to it laugh.gif

Posted by: T Boy Mar 8 2017, 08:37 PM

They may appear more scary but in 2017 they don't look very threatening.

Posted by: JosephSharman Mar 8 2017, 08:55 PM

On the bright side, filming pictures are showing the Cybus Cybermen and the most recent design are present too which hopefully will prevent alienating the casual viewers at least.

Posted by: popchartfreak Mar 8 2017, 09:12 PM

As I always am (ALWAYS!) I will be sorry to see Capaldi leave - I've been rewatching his run and it's much better than it seemed at the time. Never had a problem with a grumpy old Doctor: that's how he was envisioned right from the start, and I was there right from the start as a fan from day one, and in 1964, writing in my school books about it and my favourite pop acts obsessively till I think I got told to write about something else laugh.gif

Just goes to show people don't change with time... tongue.gif

to view my schoolbooks (me,me,me,me,me) click here:

https://popchartfreak.wordpress.com/2013/11/21/50-years-of-watching-doctor-who/

Posted by: Klaus Mar 13 2017, 01:16 PM



First episode is called The Pilot and another 60-second trailer is airing tonight during the FA Cup match!

Neeeed the promotion to really start coming in now that we're a month away. It was all so half-arsed for Series 9 and for Class too which led to underperformances for both.

Posted by: Mack Mar 13 2017, 01:30 PM

Are the Daleks due to make a comeback in this series?

Posted by: Severin Mar 13 2017, 08:43 PM

Did I spy an Ice Lord in that trailer?


And the Mondassian Cybermen better do that creepy sing-song voice they used to do. Really weird

Posted by: Peenus Fly Trap Mar 13 2017, 09:35 PM

Can't wait for him to go.

Worst modern doctor and with the worst , CHEESIEST of cheeay Doc Who stories - like Danny the Cyberman and rain. He haa trashed the series along with Moffat.

Ba bye.

Posted by: Klaus Mar 14 2017, 05:58 PM

Here is said trailer!:



Looks like there is an interesting mix of monsters, both new and old, which is what is needed tbh! There's been a lack of perhaps more memorable monsters over the past couple of series but there looks to be a really creepy set this time round! That Dalek girl seems pretty interesting too! Visually impressive but not much else can really be taken from the trailer aside from that cringy emoji line.

Really looking forward to seeing Missy again, particularly after seeing this video that was also uploaded yesterday. Michelle Gomez is fab in the role: https://www.facebook.com/DoctorWho/videos/vb.127031120644257/1761608930519793/?type=2&theater

Posted by: Klaus Mar 31 2017, 05:33 PM

It has been announced that Bill will be the first openly gay companion!

Posted by: burbe Mar 31 2017, 05:44 PM

QUOTE(Klaus @ Mar 31 2017, 06:33 PM) *
It has been announced that Bill will be the first openly gay companion!


Saw this earlier! Great news to see even more diversity on the show!

Posted by: Brétt-Butler Mar 31 2017, 08:31 PM

Captain Jack?

Posted by: JoséphStyles Mar 31 2017, 08:38 PM

QUOTE(Brétt-Butler @ Mar 31 2017, 09:31 PM) *
Captain Jack?

Yeah this was my thought, although I guess he wasn't a full-time companion.

It's a good step anyway! I echo what burbe said, great to see more diversity (although Doctor Who's done a great job on that front since the revival anyway)

Posted by: Klaus Mar 31 2017, 08:40 PM

QUOTE(Brétt-Butler @ Mar 31 2017, 09:31 PM) *
Captain Jack?

I think he's more 'labelled' as pansexual as he was at it with anyone and anything. Bill is probably 'exclusively' gay.

Posted by: T Boy Mar 31 2017, 09:54 PM

For a minute I thought 'that'll stop her falling for the Doctor' but then I remembered that the next Doctor could very well be female.

Posted by: JosephStyles🐶 Apr 5 2017, 10:21 PM

Doctor Who Magazine has unveiled most of the episode titles for series 10 biggrin.gif

Episode 1: 'The Pilot' by Steven Moffat
Episode 2: 'Smile' by Frank Cottrell-Boyce
Episode 3: 'Thin Ice' by Sarah Dollard
Episode 4: 'Knock Knock' by Mike Bartlett
Episode 5: 'Oxygen' by Jamie Mathieson
Episode 6: 'Extremis' by Steven Moffat
Episode 7: 'The Pyramid at the End of the World' by Peter Harness
Episode 8: 'The Lie of the Land' by Toby Whitehouse
Episode 9: 'The Empress of Mars' by Mark Gatiss
Episode 10: 'The Eaters of Light' by Rona Munro
Episode 11: TBA by Steven Moffat
Episode 12: TBA by Steven Moffat

Really excited for this series now, just 10 days away wub.gif Apparently there's a massive spoiler in the "coming soon" trailer after episode 1 too ohmy.gif

Posted by: JosephStyles🐶 Apr 6 2017, 04:08 PM

John Simm confirmed to be returning as the Master alongside Michelle Gomez!

Posted by: Irn Broot Apr 6 2017, 04:22 PM

Yeh I saw that, the reveal is a bit disappointing as I'd chosen that I wouldn't look at the spoiler Moffat mentioned would be in the trailer. Will be very interesting to see though, a completely unexpected move!!

Posted by: Regina Apr 6 2017, 06:56 PM

That makes me excited to see this series tbh.

Posted by: Irn Broot Apr 12 2017, 05:47 PM

QUOTE(JosephStyles🐶 @ Apr 5 2017, 11:21 PM) *
Episode 1: 'The Pilot' by Steven Moffat
Episode 2: 'Smile' by Frank Cottrell-Boyce
Episode 3: 'Thin Ice' by Sarah Dollard
Episode 4: 'Knock Knock' by Mike Bartlett
Episode 5: 'Oxygen' by Jamie Mathieson
Episode 6: 'Extremis' by Steven Moffat
Episode 7: 'The Pyramid at the End of the World' by Peter Harness
Episode 8: 'The Lie of the Land' by Toby Whitehouse
Episode 9: 'The Empress of Mars' by Mark Gatiss
Episode 10: 'The Eaters of Light' by Rona Munro
Episode 11: TBA by Steven Moffat
Episode 12: TBA by Steven Moffat

Final two episodes comfirmed to be titled 'World Enough and Time' and the ominous 'The Doctor Falls' ohmy.gif

Promotion has been amazing, its literally everywhere so hopefully that translates well into ratings. A lot of it is focused on the fact that they'res a new companion and its been made very clear that she's different from Clara and Amy. I definitely think that's needed as they need a more familiar companion in the vein of Rose/Donna and Bill seems to be that, I've seen a lot of praise for her from critics! It has made me realise though that Clara was introduced all the way back in 2012 so hopefully ratings are going to benefit from a fresh companion, a sort of reboot and all this promotion!

Posted by: JosephStyles🐶 Apr 12 2017, 05:52 PM

QUOTE(Irn Broot @ Apr 12 2017, 06:47 PM) *
Final two episodes comfirmed to be titled 'World Enough and Time' and the ominous 'The Doctor Falls' ohmy.gif

Promotion has been amazing, its literally everywhere so hopefully that translates well into ratings. A lot of it is focused on the fact that they'res a new companion and its been made very clear that she's different from Clara and Amy. I definitely think that's needed as they need a more familiar companion in the vein of Rose/Donna and Bill seems to be that, I've seen a lot of praise for her from critics! It has made me realise though that Clara was introduced all the way back in 2012 so hopefully ratings are going to benefit from a fresh companion, a sort of reboot and all this promotion!

Interesting titles ohmy.gif

I agree, the promotion really has been fantastic, so much better than it was for series 9. I think the new companion will at least give episode 1 some curiosity views, and hopefully if it's as much of a "reboot" as it's being made out to be, that'll persuade people to stick with it, while series 9 was basically billed as "more of the same" laugh.gif

I've heard LOTS of good things about Bill and I totally agree in that it's good we'll be getting a more relatable companion, I'm very excited to see what she's like. This is the most excited I've been for a new Doctor Who series in quite a while wub.gif

Posted by: Irn Broot Apr 15 2017, 06:12 PM

Less than 10 minutes!! This is not a drill ohmy.gif

Posted by: JosephStyles🐶 Apr 15 2017, 06:18 PM

So excited!!!

Posted by: l♀tita Apr 15 2017, 07:11 PM

Bill is SO ICONIC

Posted by: JosephStyles🐶 Apr 15 2017, 07:13 PM

I really like Bill wub.gif a huge breath of fresh air for the show just like I thought she'd be (not that I disliked Clara but it goes to show that it's good to refresh things particularly for the benefit of casual viewers). The plot wasn't the most exciting EVER but it was enjoyable, and it's made me super duper excited for the rest of the series, a solid opener.

Posted by: Irn Broot Apr 15 2017, 07:31 PM

Perhaps more of a low-key opener than usual but it was definitely great introduction for Bill and a reintroduction for the series as a whole.

Bill really is a breath of fresh air and so much better than I thought she would be based on the previous two minute clip that revealed her. I think it was one of the most realistic reactions to the discovery of things like the TARDIS and stuff, I particularly liked that when she walked in, she didn't notice for ages where she actually was. Pearl's acting was incredible when she did notice what the TARDIS was, and I also loved that she had to go to the bathroom when she'd moved to Australia. I really think she's going to be a great companion.

The 'villain' was quite creepy, particularly with the eye through the plug. I think the fact that there wasn't actually a real menace and a lack of clear intention behind what it actually was maybe let it down though. There didn't also seem to be that much sympathy over the fact that the girl had actually died. Overall though, the threat did allow the show to easily showcase the fact it can move in space and time.

I also liked that the references to the past (aside from maybe the photos of Susan and River) were more subtle than the previous two series. Particularly that Clara was referenced but it was done subtly through the mention of the Doctor having his mind wiped and the use of Clara's theme. Also, I was worried when it was announced that a species that had previously featured in a story from 1979 that http://68.media.tumblr.com/17dd7531cdf716a851e365c6952ca776/tumblr_inline_oireod9ePX1ry1ua6_500.jpg were coming back but their return was actually more of an Easter Egg and completely inessential to the plot.

A good start, and is sort of what I was hoping for and what the show needs. Perhaps there could have been a bit more substance to the threat but in terms of introducting Bill, it did a great job. Now what is in the vault? thinking.gif

Posted by: Regina Apr 15 2017, 07:35 PM

This was a CHORE to sit through sad.gif really dull and BIll seems really annoying.

Posted by: Irn Broot Apr 15 2017, 07:42 PM

This quote from The Guardian sums up my thoughts on Bill!

QUOTE
The cliche of the female companion in vintage Doctor Who was that all they really got to do was cry in plummy vowels: “But Doctor, I don’t understand!” Bill certainly spends a lot of the story doing that – but in the way we all would if faced with these circumstances. She comes up with logical challenges to this world she’s found herself in (“is it a knock-through?”) and doesn’t stop asking. The elongated playing out of the well-worn “it’s bigger on the inside” moment was inspired. And her reaction to the full scale of this situation – running to the toilets, splashing her face with cold water and nearly being sick – the most true-to-life we’ve ever seen.

Posted by: Irn Broot Apr 15 2017, 07:49 PM

omg Bill's Foster Mum was in 'Gridlock' from Series 3!


Posted by: Mart!n Apr 15 2017, 08:01 PM

This was a dull squib of an opener, and the new female companion does nothing for me. I'm hoping when the new Doctor appears they go with a complete reboot, and that includes new companions, it just make all sense to me. I just feel she is in there for 1 series along with Peter Capaldi.

Posted by: popchartfreak Apr 15 2017, 08:05 PM

Loved it. I miss Clara, she was great (I love all the companions really) but Pearl and Matt will make it more of a light-hearted crowd-pleaser. I think we are long-overdue (by about 52 years) finding out what happened to Susan, who her mum was, now that we see her photo there. Susan was my first companion love...

Posted by: Irn Broot Apr 15 2017, 08:15 PM

Bill has more personality in that one episode that Clara did for the whole of Series 7. kink.gif

From what I've seen all signs do seem to point to Bill only lasting for this series

Also, it's odd that there is some form of regeneration this series, most likely the finale, based on the clips from the trailer even though there's still the Christmas special. Peter and Steven have said that the regeneration will be very different this time round and so I wonder what that will entail? I would LOVE for them to pull the rugs from under out feet and for Ep. 12 to contain the actual proper regeneration, with the next Doctor remaining a secret and be revealed as the regeneration takes place in the episode, with his first ep actually being the Christmas special. I mean, they kept John Simm a secret so it is a tiny bit possible!

I have also seen some RUMOURS that the next Doctor will be on old one but I VERY heavily doubt that and hope its not the case. Plus, it would only viably be Paul McGann or David Tennant, Matt Smith will be busy filming The Crown I think. I doubt David would want to do it again anyway even though he loves the show. But yeah, just rumours, not going to happen.

Posted by: ♀T Boy♀ Apr 15 2017, 08:25 PM

I really enjoyed that episode, but I often love the opener and then it runs out of steam. I'm hoping that won't be the case.

LOVE Bill. She wasn't overly cocky and actually seemed interested in the new world opening up around her rather than just being exasperated but the Doctor which is something that has been overdone, particularly with Clara. Bill is a breath of fresh air and pretty much what a companion should be. I hope she continues to impress.

Bringing back an old doctor would be a mess. Please don't.

Posted by: Chez W♀mbat Apr 15 2017, 09:06 PM

Very enjoyable opener as they go. The villains seemed a bit of a rushed concept overall and the Daleks seem very shoehorned in, but it was creepy and I liked the nods to It Follows (even if unintentional). I must have lost track of what the intent of it was though, I thought they were just using the girl as a vessel to get home or form an uprising, I didn't know they actually did as the girl pleased? I might have lost that bit.

Bill was actually a LOT better than those clips suggested and does seem to not be a cliche or an 'OMG' "comic" relief style character. I still feel her and Matt Lucas might tire as it goes along, but I'm willing to stick with it, and ofc. really hyped for the Master and Missy later in the series.

Next week looks awful sad.gif EMOJIS SHOULD STAY ON AN IPHONE, NOT INFILTRATE FILM AND TV.

Posted by: lewistgreen Apr 15 2017, 09:30 PM

A pleasant watch, but it didn't grip me. I did jump a couple of times which hasn't happened before laugh.gif
Really liking Bill too.

Posted by: Brett-Ocat Apr 15 2017, 09:47 PM

It's nice to see Peter Capaldi's Doctor in a more light-hearted manner, as I feel the series had gone far too dark under him, albeit I think he's been a fine Doctor. I didn't warm to Bill that much in this episode, although I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and hope that I'll warm to her over the next few episodes. Matt Lucas on the other hand, he was fine in the two Christmas specials, but I don't think I could take an entire series of his antics, unless they give his character a complete personality transplant in the next episode.

Posted by: Mart!n Apr 15 2017, 10:23 PM

Peter Capaldi has been a far better Doctor, a step up on the previous one, as I wasn't keen on Matt Smith, I'm just hoping Ben Wishaw will get a look in as the next Doctor, Q in the Bond movies, even Rory Kinnear was hinted at one stage (the son of Comedian legend Roy Kinnear) replacing Matt Smith at the time. Ben Wishaw will be a great addition who is currently filming Mary Poppins Returns.

Posted by: Irn Broot Apr 15 2017, 10:42 PM

I think Peter's Doctor was really able to shine this episode as well and hopefully that will continue throughout the series. All this 'I don't care'/delete people's faces that he had going on was just ridiculous and completely opposite to the Doctors that went before him.

I'm still not seeing the point in Nardole, he has had no impact on the plot in either this episode or the 2016 Christmas special. All he does is add a couple of funny lines. At the same time though, I'm really not interested in hom being more prominent later in the series which I think may he the case. I would rather it was just the Doctor and Bill. I've seen like zero positive comments for Nardole, just that he's been less annoying than people originally thought! He's just unnecessary so far and just seems like Steven added him because he thinks Matt Lucas is a bigger star name than he actually is.

QUOTE(Chez W♀mbat @ Apr 15 2017, 10:06 PM) *
Next week looks awful sad.gif EMOJIS SHOULD STAY ON AN IPHONE, NOT INFILTRATE FILM AND TV.

Ngl I'm not particularly excited for next week. It's written by the same guy who wrote 'In the Forest of the Night' (Series 8) which, whilst I loved one of his books as a child, is probs the worst ever Doctor Who episode lmao. The fact that the robots are actually called Emojibots is just... smile.gif smile.gif Hopefully we'll be pleasantly surprised though but I'm not holding out too much hope.

Posted by: Harry♀ Apr 15 2017, 11:06 PM

I love Bill she seems something which needs to have happened. Like before with Clara sbe got cocky and seemed a bit stale in a way during her last series but their is something quite normal about Bill that makes me more drawn to her

Posted by: Irn Broot Apr 16 2017, 10:17 AM

Got 4.65m in the ratings. Less than I'd hoped for but its one of the biggest shows for catch up so the 7 Day ratings will be more telling.

Posted by: JosephStyles🐶 Apr 16 2017, 10:50 AM

QUOTE(Irn Broot @ Apr 16 2017, 11:17 AM) *
Got 4.65m in the ratings. Less than I'd hoped for but its one of the biggest shows for catch up so the 7 Day ratings will be more telling.

I was hoping for over 5 million but as long as the 7 day ratings give it a big boost (and I think they will), I'll be pleased.

Posted by: irn_brube Apr 16 2017, 11:22 AM

I really enjoyed the first episode. Bill is a very refreshing companion after Amy and Clara. I thought it felt like a RTD era opener at times, which is fab! Not too heavy and quite easy going, as the show as had the opposite problem recently. Nardole seems a lot better now than his first appearance as well but I'm not sure I want him to stick around. Comparing it to the Christmas Special it was a lot better, imo.

Overall, it was a solid opener. It obviously wasn't the most exciting setting and storyline, but it was necessary to introduce Bill to viewers and it seems to set the scene for a change of tone in this series.

Posted by: DiamondHeart Apr 16 2017, 01:23 PM

I really enjoyed Bill, much more than Clara, Martha and Amy. I hope she stays as endearing for the rest of her time on the show but I can't wait for Peter to be replaced, god is he a chore to sit through especially after the peaks of Tennant and Smith. A good introduction to a new season and companion but the lack of monsters made it seem a bit off, still I liked it.

Posted by: T Boy in Weeyals Apr 22 2017, 08:24 PM

Quite enjoyed that episode as well. Very RTD. Looks like Bill will actually travel with the Doctor rather than be picked up and dropped off constantly. I much prefer this way, I never took to that concept.

Posted by: Mart!n Apr 22 2017, 08:35 PM

I wasn't really gripped by that episode, it felt rather a chore to watch through, there were a few boring bits, I found it more of a filler episode. Next week's episode looks rather good.

Posted by: Chez Wombat Apr 22 2017, 08:56 PM

That was WAY better than it looked outright with emojibots and being written by the same guy who did In The Forest of the Night. I really liked the Brave New World and Black Mirror-esque theme and the isolated world allowed The Doctor and Bill to shine, and there did feel like a genuine sense of darkness. The main issue was the ending...so there was about to be an all out war between man and machine...and so he turned the machines off and then turned them back on again and YAY everything's fine and the people can live in harmony? :/ They clearly ran out of ideas towards the end of the script.

Elephant on the Thames next week *.* Do love a good historical episode.

Posted by: Klaus Apr 22 2017, 10:33 PM

Yes very much enjoyed that again too! Definitely heading more back to the RTD era. A creepy concept, particularly with that Black Mirror vibe of being forced to be happy. Bill was amazing once again too, a really fresh dynamic and new character even with just the second episode shown. Still not point of Nardole yet, bit of a weird character change though with his dismissal of Bill after caring for her last week.

The episode wasn't perfect though. As Chez said, the ending was a bit simplistic and did actually remind me of 'In the Forest of the Night' with there just being a reset and EVERYTHING IS FINE NOW. Are they still dependant on the emotions which means they won't be able to handle grief again? What if the robots don't want to be part of the building now if they're not serving the people anymore? The humans were also very one-diminensional, immediately grabbing some guns (which were on the spaceship because why not??). There were a few patches as well where I felt a bit more action/excitement/drama was needed.

Overall though, it was an enjoyable. Not a classic by any means but FAR better than 'In the Forest of the Night'. The emoji line/aspect worked waaay better than the trailer suggested, the line itself was actually quite a clever bit of dialogue as part of the coversation. laugh.gif

Loved that it jumped straight into next week's episode which also means no Nardole again!! The trailer seemed to be edited quite poorly though.

Posted by: Harry♀ Apr 23 2017, 01:17 AM

Yeah I found it to be a really exiting episode for the most part the only main issue I have is the ending like previously said...just reset and everything is great now?? like who is to say the humans get grief strickened again laugh.gif Very stupid ending. The doctor didnt actually save them it was a bit half-arsed

Posted by: JosephStyles🐶 Apr 23 2017, 01:21 AM

I'll also join in with the praise for the episode in general. The setting was stunning, and I love the RTD-style adventures we're getting this series so far, with no overly confusing plotlines. The emojibots were nowhere NEAR as bad as they could've been, and the threat was very interesting too. The resolution was lazy for sure but I can forgive it for now, particularly considering this guy wrote In the Forest of the Night and this is already a huge step up kink.gif Bill remains excellent also, and I really enjoyed the amount of character time we got between her and the Doctor this week.

Posted by: Tippin Virginia Apr 23 2017, 01:22 AM

Loved the episode!!

Didn't get the ending though, as nothing was mentioned about how the machines will or won't respond to emotions?

It's back to its best and I'm lovin it!

Posted by: Klaus Apr 23 2017, 10:42 AM

Ratings were 4.25m (22.9% share) which is up on the second episode of Series 9 (3.71m)!

Obviously still not amazing but definitely good to see an increase for a show in its 10th series (or even 36th series!!). We'll be getting the official ratings for 'The Pilot' tomorrow too, very interested to see them! Hoping for around 7m but expecting maybe 6.5m.

Posted by: Klaus Apr 23 2017, 10:55 AM

Oh, I was wondering where I recognised the actress from the pre-titles sequence. It was Rani's mum from The Sarah Jane Adventures!!

Posted by: JosephStyles🐶 Apr 23 2017, 12:56 PM

QUOTE(Klaus @ Apr 23 2017, 11:55 AM) *
Oh, I was wondering where I recognised the actress from the pre-titles sequence. It was Rani's mum from The Sarah Jane Adventures!!

I got way too excited upon seeing her kink.gif

Decent ratings, pretty much what I was expecting! A smaller decline from episode 1 to 2 than series 9 too.

Posted by: Regina Apr 23 2017, 01:44 PM

I thought it was a really boring episode. It all felt like it was going to build up to something which is why I kept with it, and then....reset button :/

Posted by: danG Apr 23 2017, 02:54 PM

I'm already liking Bill more than Clara.

Yes the ending was unsatisfying but I thought it was quite a decent episode and I love seeing the ones about humanity in the future anyway.

Posted by: Suedehead2 Apr 23 2017, 04:36 PM

I can't remember when I last warmed to a new assistant as quickly as I have with Bill. She's been great so far. I hope the lead-in to the next episode will continue through the series. It's just like some of the old Who.

Posted by: LustForLife Apr 23 2017, 09:00 PM

As a couple of others have said, I was expecting a 'In The Forest of the Night' type mess, so I was pleasantly surprised! A bit like the opener, it was solid but nothing special really. I really like Bill though, she's such a breath of fresh air after Amy and in particular Clara.

Posted by: Tippin Virginia Apr 23 2017, 09:03 PM

QUOTE(Klaus @ Apr 23 2017, 11:55 AM) *
Oh, I was wondering where I recognised the actress from the pre-titles sequence. It was Rani's mum from The Sarah Jane Adventures!!


Ahhh yeah!!

Lol at the SJA when Rani knew everything about the 9 Day Queen and could recognise her easily!

I think Bill is great.

The last time I took to a companion so quickly was either waaay back for Rose or for Amelia. I took to Catherine Tate ... eventually, but more for her comedic connection with Tennet.

Posted by: JosephStyles🐶 Apr 29 2017, 07:27 PM

Thin Ice was another solid episode! Not sure I enjoyed it quite as much as the last two but the quality is pretty consistent so far, and Bill is continuing to be brilliant. The next time trailer looks VERY intriguing ohmy.gif

Posted by: Slick Apr 29 2017, 07:36 PM

I'm seeing a real concerted effort by the Doctor Who team to return to the days of less complicated standalone stories and a straightforward companion who is just blown away by her travels. Today's episode reminded me of Series 2/3 Doctor Who.

I adore the more complex episodes from Series 6, 7, 9 etc. but that's not what the show needs and I think so far Series 10 has got it spot on.

Posted by: Klaus Apr 29 2017, 07:40 PM

Feel like I'm going to be saying this every week but Bill is literally incredible. Could actually become my favourite companion by the end of the series! ohmy.gif I just don't get why they've put all her worst moments in the trailers??

Her reactions to being in the past were really well done, both in relation to changing time and the colour of her skin. I liked that both were also carried throughout the episode without taking over the episode. Really loved her reaction to the child dying to, was brilliantly acted and her response to the Doctor was really well done. Also her response to the guard dying, because I was thinking that was quite brutal of the Doctor!!

Sarah Dollard is a fantastic writer, going by this and Face the Raven, she really gets the pace right and brings in some interesting aspect. I would have a criticism that the beast in captivity is something we've seen before, particularly with the Beast Below which shared a similar solution. However, there were enough interesting aspects elsewhere that can make me overlook this. I LOVED the setting, brilliant production there and the aspects of the street children were great.

The best part was really the dialogue, both the Doctor and Bill's conversations were great, particularly with those political undertones when they were meeting the 'villain' kink.gif

Definitely is following the more simpler storylines but ones with a lot of substance, and certainly the most it has felt like the RTD era since he obviously left! Hopefully the standard continues and it could become my favourite series of the Moffatt era.

Really intrigued as to what is in the vault!

Posted by: LustForLife Apr 29 2017, 08:25 PM

That was a brilliant episode, the best yet imo. Bill really is a fantastic companion, nothing complicated, just an ordinary person enjoying their travels with very human emotions and responses to things. Going back to basics has really worked wonders!

The racism scene and human decency speech was incredible as well.

As Klaus said, it feels the closest to the RTD era since he left. Probably one of the better history ones they've done as well.

Next week does look very intriguing ohmy.gif And also haven't got a clue what might be in the Vault. So yeah, Doctor Who is seemingly back in a much better place than it has been the last couple of series!

Posted by: Regina Apr 29 2017, 08:30 PM

First episode i've properly loved this series and finally warming to Bill. She's not Rory but then WHO IS.

Posted by: Chez Wombat Apr 29 2017, 08:48 PM

So Nardole DOES have a purpose, that's good to hear or I would've seriously despaired at him every week. I've read an article that there was a hint that the knocking on the door of the Vault is similar to the sound of drums...would be obvious I suppose, but make of that what you will.

The Doctor's scenes with Bill were the best thing about this episode definitely, I liked that they realised the different sides they had, but still cooperated in the end, stronger for doing so. The story itself was a bit filler-y and predictable, but I think I like that, less confusing stuff is always good.

Posted by: Tippin Virginia Apr 29 2017, 09:00 PM

Bill isfantastic tbh

Haven't watched tonight's yet as I forgot itwas on,but I haven't been excited for a normal Doctor Who episode siiince Amy!!

Any bets what's in the Vault will make the Doctor regenerate? If they want to make a twist, it could be Matt Smith, the vault he was locked in for years taken to the present by this doctor

Posted by: Brett-Butler Apr 29 2017, 09:01 PM

Given what we know about what's already been announced in this series, and given the knocking, it seems fairly likely that the vault contains The Master, circa
John Simm, although as you say, it could be a red herring.


Wasn't as keen on this episode as much as the last one, although it did have its moments - The Doctor decking Sutcliffe shortly after telling Bill to stay calm was pretty wonderful. I hate to be a bit of a killjoy though and point out that Jesus was Arabic, not black.

Posted by: Tippin Virginia Apr 29 2017, 09:04 PM

Ooh a vault to seal the Master based on the one to seal the Doctor, seeing as it succeeded.

Posted by: Tippin Virginia Apr 29 2017, 09:05 PM

Glad they finally mentioned racism in these historical episodes.

Posted by: HarryApa Apr 29 2017, 09:05 PM

I am so in love with Bill as the companion she seems so normal and down to earth. Most of all she seems so human than the likes of Amy and Clara. I am not saying Amy or Clara wouldn't feel something for a kid dying but they wouldn't challenge the doctor in the same way Bill could.

The episode and monsters etc was a bit fillery but just what the episode needed to be, simple. I hope this series wont be too complicated. I do not want that. Needs to be back on track.

Posted by: Klaus Apr 29 2017, 10:33 PM

The knock was 3 times though, whereas the Sound of Drums was four! I would be quite disapointed if it was the Master as he/she is the obvious choice at this stage. Also, what would be the point in containing John Simm's Master in the Vault when he clearly gets out at SOME POINT otherwise there would be no Missy!!

Posted by: Regina Apr 29 2017, 10:42 PM

TBH we all know it's Astrid


Posted by: Tippin Virginia Apr 29 2017, 10:45 PM

Were those wrestlers REALLY doing suplèxes on ICE or hard ground??

They must have hired prowrestlers, as it would br too dangerous for normal actors.

Also, eh, the episode was ok. It was very cheesy. It would rank v low on a Joseph countdown. Next week's looks like more filler too. At least the complicated storylines won't be chasing people away anymore.

Posted by: Severin Apr 30 2017, 11:21 PM

Decent episode but basically a remake of The Beast Below

Posted by: Mart!n May 1 2017, 09:25 AM

It was alright I suppose in the end, but nothing special, I think the banging in the vault is something to do with regeneration.

Next week's episode looks more like a Tom Baker classic with a mystery surrounding it, just reminds me of that classic episode in the lighthouse with Tom Baker.

Posted by: l♀tita May 1 2017, 11:53 AM

really enjoying this series so far!!! finally back on board after i had to give up last series due to how much i hated clara oops. next weeks looks amazing!

Posted by: ♡ Heezus Froot ♡ May 2 2017, 09:14 AM

It was much inferior to The Beast Below. I'm loving Bill, though.

Posted by: popchartfreak May 2 2017, 11:54 AM

a great romp. Look forward to the next one...

Posted by: Tippin Virginia May 6 2017, 07:07 PM

This is crap.

Posted by: Tippin Virginia May 6 2017, 07:07 PM

With Doc Who, a bad trailer ALWAYS equals a bad episode.

Posted by: Mart!n May 6 2017, 07:10 PM

Completely enjoyed that episode has to be the best episode of the series so far, it was very gripping from start to finish. Very creepy and very dark and did make me jump in places. The episode did gave me Tom Baker vibes. And David Suchet was excellent in that role and played it well.

Posted by: JosephStyles🐶 May 6 2017, 07:10 PM

QUOTE(Tippin Virginia @ May 6 2017, 08:07 PM) *
With Doc Who, a bad trailer ALWAYS equals a bad episode.

But both the trailer and episode were great ohmy.gif!!

Posted by: Tippin Virginia May 6 2017, 07:11 PM

Wrong - both shet.

Just plays like a bad UK scary movie, like Spirit Trap.

Posted by: HarryApa May 6 2017, 07:11 PM

By far and away the best episode yet very creepy and dark. I love new character's we was introduced too as well.

Posted by: Mart!n May 6 2017, 07:16 PM

QUOTE(Tippin Virginia @ May 6 2017, 08:11 PM) *
Wrong - both shet.

Just plays like a bad UK scary movie, like Spirit Trap.


What were you watching, Take Me Out on ITV unsure.gif

Posted by: Tippin Virginia May 6 2017, 07:16 PM

QUOTE(HarryApa @ May 6 2017, 08:11 PM) *
By far and away the best episode yet very creepy and dark. I love new character's we was introduced too as well.


What new characters? They all DIED like a cheap survival horror.

Posted by: JosephStyles🐶 May 6 2017, 07:19 PM

QUOTE(Mart!n @ May 6 2017, 08:16 PM) *
What were you watching, Take Me Out on ITV unsure.gif

!!!

Seriously it was my favourite episode so far this series. Really likeable supporting cast, very eerie at times, and I loved the callback to Harriet Jones!

Posted by: Tippin Virginia May 6 2017, 07:20 PM

QUOTE(Mart!n @ May 6 2017, 08:16 PM) *
What were you watching, Take Me Out on ITV unsure.gif


No. Cheap survival horror on BBC1!

Awwwwful.

Axe!

Get the axe for that bloated wood!!

Posted by: PeteFromLeeds May 6 2017, 07:20 PM

I do think it was a little predictable though - once all of them had been eaten I knew they were gonna come back to life wink.gif

Posted by: Tippin Virginia May 6 2017, 07:23 PM

The next episode looks crap too!!!!

Posted by: Suedehead2 May 6 2017, 07:37 PM

That was a brilliant episode with a wonderfully creepy performance from David Suchet.

Posted by: HarryApa May 6 2017, 07:45 PM

QUOTE(Tippin Virginia @ May 6 2017, 08:16 PM) *
What new characters? They all DIED like a cheap survival horror.

Clearly you didn't watch it all...

Posted by: Tippin Virginia May 6 2017, 07:52 PM

I just finished. They came back like a survival horror with a cheesy Disney ending.

Atrocious.

Also, did no one notice the bad UK horror movie trope of one suddenly running away with one sentence, no explanation given, in panic, ignoring the rest and inevitably, um, dying? Wow.

Posted by: Chez Wombat May 6 2017, 07:54 PM

I'm kinda with Michael here oops ph34r.gif I really wasn't into it at all, too many horror movie cliches in the build up, the supporting cast were forgettable at best and while the last scene was powerful, it was marred by being too rushed an ending and explanation, why did the bugs just turn her into wood and eat everyone else? How did she come to control them? (and honestly I just didn't really find alien woodlice all that scary, was much more tense before they were revealed).

The Vault scene was interesting though, surely can't be the Master now unless there's more to it than we think, plus the talk of regeneration...

Next week does look good though, creepy space stories very rarely disappoint.

Posted by: Mart!n May 6 2017, 08:34 PM

QUOTE(JosephStyles🐶 @ May 6 2017, 08:19 PM) *
!!!

Seriously it was my favourite episode so far this series. Really likeable supporting cast, very eerie at times, and I loved the callback to Harriet Jones!


And it was my favourite episode too, I think you quoted the wrong member heehee.gif

Posted by: JosephStyles🐶 May 6 2017, 08:43 PM

QUOTE(Mart!n @ May 6 2017, 09:34 PM) *
And it was my favourite episode too, I think you quoted the wrong member heehee.gif

No it was the right post kink.gif

Posted by: Tippin Virginia May 6 2017, 08:53 PM

Oh yes, like with that awful Danny Pink robot Disney season, Capaldi's best parts are always the couple minutes of story arc at the end.

I mean it sounds like River ... but with how Matt Williams was shouting at it, maybe not. Maybe the Doctor has fallen in love with Missy?

Posted by: LustForLife May 6 2017, 09:04 PM

I enjoyed it! Creepy most of the time. I wasn't a fan of all the supporting characters, a couple of them were really annoying so hopefully we won't be seeing them again.

Posted by: l♀tita May 6 2017, 09:13 PM

that episode was by far the best of this season so far for me, exactly the kind of dr who i loveeee <3

Posted by: Mart!n May 6 2017, 10:04 PM

QUOTE(l♀tita @ May 6 2017, 10:13 PM) *
that episode was by far the best of this season so far for me, exactly the kind of dr who i loveeee <3


Can you tell Meekul that biggrin.gif

Posted by: T Boy in Weeyals May 7 2017, 07:52 AM

I love it tbh.

Posted by: Slick May 7 2017, 08:25 AM

I think this episode had potential but it was never fully realised and ended up being quite disappointing. It wasn't given enough time to build so wasn't actually as scary or creepy as advertised, and the pay-off happened very quickly and it didn't make any sense. I was left with so many questions. Who makes the creaking - the lice or the people in the house? If the house is full of people, why was no one else released? Why didn't the lice destroy the woman? This episode did that convenient Doctor Who thing of skirting over difficult questions for sake of plot, and it was all a bit huh.gif

The series so far has been different in tone to the others and nothing has been outstandingly good or bad, but it's overdue a very good episode.

I think the Master is definitely in the vault. I can't see how it can be anything else.

Posted by: dandy* May 7 2017, 02:57 PM

Totally agree with Slick, this started out promising but then gradually dissolved away as things were rushed to a (not at all scary) conclusion.

The whole plot was so unfeasible - why was the woman and child okay but everyone else is not? Why every 20 years? Why would a child see its mother turning to wood and instantly think that the creatures were keeping her alive? Exactly how do the deaths keep her alive anyway? Why did the recent inhabitants come back to life? And why didn't the others? Why would killing the mother and child mean that the house falls down in the first place?

It was just really badly thought through, the whole thing was a very good idea for a scary setting that it felt like they had just shoehorned the villain and plot in. :/

(David Suchet was good though wub.gif )

Posted by: Suedehead2 May 7 2017, 04:24 PM

QUOTE(dandy* @ May 7 2017, 03:57 PM) *
Totally agree with Slick, this started out promising but then gradually dissolved away as things were rushed to a (not at all scary) conclusion.

The whole plot was so unfeasible - why was the woman and child okay but everyone else is not? Why every 20 years? Why would a child see its mother turning to wood and instantly think that the creatures were keeping her alive? Exactly how do the deaths keep her alive anyway? Why did the recent inhabitants come back to life? And why didn't the others? Why would killing the mother and child mean that the house falls down in the first place?

It was just really badly thought through, the whole thing was a very good idea for a scary setting that it felt like they had just shoehorned the villain and plot in. :/

(David Suchet was good though wub.gif )

Whereas the programme is usually so believable, particularly the idea of an old police box being able to travel through space and time tongue.gif

Posted by: Tippin Virginia May 7 2017, 04:27 PM

QUOTE(dandy* @ May 7 2017, 03:57 PM) *
Totally agree with Slick, this started out promising but then gradually dissolved away as things were rushed to a (not at all scary) conclusion.

The whole plot was so unfeasible - why was the woman and child okay but everyone else is not? Why every 20 years? Why would a child see its mother turning to wood and instantly think that the creatures were keeping her alive? Exactly how do the deaths keep her alive anyway? Why did the recent inhabitants come back to life? And why didn't the others? Why would killing the mother and child mean that the house falls down in the first place?

It was just really badly thought through, the whole thing was a very good idea for a scary setting that it felt like they had just shoehorned the villain and plot in. :/

(David Suchet was good though wub.gif )


Absolutely.

The plot was garbage.

Posted by: Mack May 7 2017, 09:33 PM

Absolute garbage that episode. A very weak plot. Started promising but some very wooden acting from the assistant's friends.


Posted by: Klaus May 7 2017, 09:50 PM

I definitely understand the mixed opinion in here! There were elements that I though were great such as the supporting cast, the sound effects (NEED to watch that special headphone edition) and I thought the design for Eliza was pretty spectacular, a great reveal as well. The plot was a bit flimsy though, like what were the bugs and why did they save her but also turn her into wood at the same time. The twist that he was her son also had like no build up which meant the reveal fell flat.

The whole thing just needed tightening up more. The start went on for a but too long (with hindsight that there was a lot to get through) and we didn't need that bit about Bill's music taste. The Landlord should have been more prominent (David Suchet was fab) and I would have had a different monster/creature than the random bugs, maybe just even having a living house?? Them all just magically coming back in like a 20 second sequence was a bit :/ too. Plus I WANTED MORE BILL.

There was a lot of potential and the sound effects team really were amazing in their work but it did just feel like it needed a couple more rewrites. Probably my least favourite episode so far of the series but the one I was most hyped for (again so far) sad.gif

-x/

I read the previews in DWM for the next few episodes and they all have the potential to be AMAZING. Episode 6 sees the return of Missy and also the reveal of what is in the Vault so, adding to what we heard at the end of tonight's episode, I can only see it being Missy. Its continuing that theme of the Doctor and Missy being frenemies. The Doctor wants to be friends with her but can only do that through keeping her at bay kink.gif

Posted by: Mart!n May 13 2017, 07:02 PM

next week's episode ohmy.gif

And that was the worst episode of the utter series. I was literally bored all the way through.

Posted by: Yeasty Clutch May 13 2017, 09:48 PM

Where was the trailer for next week?

I enjoyed that episode - soooo much better than last week's garbage.

Posted by: Slick May 13 2017, 10:52 PM

I think that's the best episode of the series so far. It was quite slow in parts but it had a compelling and interesting mystery and some nice comedic moments. Interesting to see where they'll go with the Doctor being blind...

Posted by: Chez Wombat May 13 2017, 11:09 PM

It was by far the best episode of the series (you on the wrong 'backy wacky' Mikey? kink.gif), it was the first time this series there actually felt a sense of a proper threat and uncertainty (and that still lingers now with the Doctor being blind!) and the capitalist aspect of the suits was a nice attempt to do something different with the 'stranded in space with an enemy' storyline. Next week looks potentially brilliant.

Posted by: Suedehead2 May 13 2017, 11:20 PM

I wasn't a great fan of tonight's episode sad.gif I was wondering whether we would get a surprise regeneration to cure the blindness. Maybe that's next week!

Posted by: Yeasty Clutch May 13 2017, 11:28 PM

But surely he has the technology to fix it??

Matt Smith's doctor could heal anythin, brain blood clots, near death, actual death, you name it.

Posted by: Yeasty Clutch May 13 2017, 11:28 PM

Where was this trailer???

Posted by: Yeasty Clutch May 14 2017, 12:00 AM

Pffft I KNEW they pressed stop too soon. Saw the trailer - this seaon, except from last week's garbage, has really picked up after the awful Capaldi seasons!

I reckon he won't see rill his regen either.

Posted by: burbe May 14 2017, 11:54 AM

I really enjoyed this week's episode! There was a real credible threat and I loved the space capitalism aspect of it. Bill is fast becoming my favourite companion - she is really fantastic. She's so human and relatable in a way Clara wasn't. As the role of the companion, to basically be the voice of the audience, Bill is absolutely spot on. By the end of the series, she might challenge Donna for my overall favourite.

Posted by: JosephStyles🐶 May 14 2017, 12:06 PM

Yeah it was my favourite of the series so far also, the time flew by while I was watching. Loved the idea of the oxygen credits and the pacing was good too!

Posted by: PeteFromLeeds May 14 2017, 12:10 PM

Yeah I quite liked this one! The fact that you were on edge as to which characters survived (and they didn't all come back to life kink.gif ) was very good! Wonder if he'll stay blind until his regeneration...

Posted by: Dexton May 14 2017, 02:48 PM

I think it could be an interesting concept for the Doctor to stay blind until his regeneration, but I think it might get a little bit repetitive especially if it's kept a secret from Bill... although could lead to some interesting moments. But I also think they shouldn't rush and give him his sight back too soon because then this episode won't have had much of a lasting impact on either the Doctor or Bill

Posted by: dandy* May 14 2017, 08:30 PM

The episode was decent enough - I found it worrying when Bill said she thought she was back alive and the Doctor said something along the lines of "Yes, you do seem to be under that impression" - although surely two companions in a row can't be dead?

Posted by: lewistgreen May 14 2017, 08:57 PM

QUOTE(Yeasty Clutch @ May 13 2017, 10:48 PM) *
Where was the trailer for next week?

I enjoyed that episode - soooo much better than last week's garbage.


At the end of the credits laugh.gif

Posted by: HarryApa May 15 2017, 12:53 AM

I rewatched this ep as I wasn't paying full attention to it and I really liked it. Not sure if its my favourite of the series but a strong episode. My favourite bit being the part when Bill's ocygen went and it had that hazy sort of feel to it, really scary thought. I liked also the idea of oxygen having a price etc.

Posted by: Jacob. May 15 2017, 07:35 PM

First Doctor Who episode that has genuinely slightly scared me in a long time, the opening scene particularly! Really enjoyed it, this entire series has felt so much more like RTD Who and I love it.

My one quibble was how come Bill could be saved and no one else? Weren't their nervous systems shut down? I guess the others (not Bill) couldn't be saved because they'd been out in the vacuum for too long but what about the blue guy and the other recent death? Why was only Bill revived? And how?

Posted by: burbe May 15 2017, 08:31 PM

QUOTE(Jacob. @ May 15 2017, 08:35 PM) *
First Doctor Who episode that has genuinely slightly scared me in a long time, the opening scene particularly! Really enjoyed it, this entire series has felt so much more like RTD Who and I love it.

My one quibble was how come Bill could be saved and no one else? Weren't their nervous systems shut down? I guess the others (not Bill) couldn't be saved because they'd been out in the vacuum for too long but what about the blue guy and the other recent death? Why was only Bill revived? And how?


The Doctor said it was because Bill's suit was faulty and didn't have enough for a lethal dose of whatever the suit uses to kill people.

Posted by: burbe May 16 2017, 12:41 PM

Confirmed that Michelle Gomez is leaving the show after this series as well sad.gif

Posted by: Klaus May 16 2017, 04:32 PM

Definitely the best ep so far for me! I'm always a huge fan of the base under seige stories and I loved the extra spins that Jamie Mathieson put on it! Such a brilliant idea that you only have a limited number of BREATHS and that running, being scared etc reduces that more and then, on top of that, the suits that are there to help you breath are also what can kill you! So many great ideas that I just really want MORE episodes from Jamie, he's shown himself to be a real creative force. It was good that there was an actual impact of the events too, showing that there was real danger which increases the tension more. Having Bill be exposed to the vacuum, 'dying' in the suit and then the Doctor staying blind were all real threats, even perhaps more so than the zombie people! The darkness of those elements were also nicely balanced with some humour throughout the episode and, I have to admit that there were some nice touches from Nardole. (still not seeing the point of him though but we're apparently finding out with this next set of stories)

The production is absolutely OUTSTANDING this series. That opening pre-titles sequence was nothing short of spectacular.

Really looking forward to next week's episode as we start this trilogy of stories and it'll be great to have Missy back. heart.gif

Posted by: lotita May 20 2017, 07:16 PM

!!!!!!!!!! that episode

Posted by: JosephStyles🐶 May 20 2017, 07:18 PM

I need to rewatch cause I think I missed a couple of the important explanations laugh.gif but the second half in particular was excellent, really loved the concept of them being in what was essentially a video game and these new monsters seem intriguing!

Posted by: PeteFromLeeds May 20 2017, 07:18 PM

No idea what to think of that episode, definitely interesting I have to say! Leading up to something big!

Posted by: burbe May 20 2017, 07:22 PM

Best episode this series! Loved it!

Posted by: Mart!n May 20 2017, 08:13 PM

That has to be the best episode of the series, there were some bits that probably need to see again to gain more understanding of the trilogy, I probably have to re-watch it as a trilogy.

Posted by: Chez Wombat May 20 2017, 08:19 PM

I'm so confused lmao mellow.gif Good old Moffat~

Was a fantastic episode though and I'm really interested to see what's next.

Posted by: Suedehead2 May 20 2017, 09:41 PM

A brilliant episode tonight and it's good to see an old-fashioned cliff-hanger.

Posted by: dandy* May 20 2017, 10:14 PM

I quite liked the episode but I certainly didn't think it was as good as everyone else seems to have done... I thought the bits with Missy were really rather drawn out and only served to ruin any tension that could have been built in the 'main' story.

Posted by: Dexton May 21 2017, 05:16 AM

QUOTE(dandy* @ May 21 2017, 06:14 AM) *
I thought the bits with Missy were really rather drawn out and only served to ruin any tension that could have been built in the 'main' story.


This was a great episode but I do agree with what you said about Missy. I'm sure she'll have a bigger role in the next 2 episodes and her involvement in this one was just to set up her presence.

Posted by: Yeasty Clutch May 21 2017, 08:07 PM

QUOTE(burbe @ May 16 2017, 01:41 PM) *
Confirmed that Michelle Gomez is leaving the show after this series as well sad.gif



WHY?

Although when my mam heard this, she said, good, as she;'s just all teeth, I don't like her laugh.gif

Posted by: Yeasty Clutch May 21 2017, 08:17 PM

It was a good episode! The flashbacks to Missy were fine in length, but the cutaways to those parts were random and a bit disjointed?

The threat was well thought-out and it is high time Doctor Who explored that sort of plot/ scientific idea.

Also, that explains the Vault then and we were right.

One thing that was missing from this episode, though: River Song appears as a diary ... and it was nice to see the Doctor take a lot of inspiration like that from Wifey but where was River Song? They were in a computer so why couldn't she teleport into it as a computer image too?

Posted by: Klaus May 22 2017, 12:24 PM

oops wasn't expecting to see that type of episode again after the first five of this series! Will probably be able to judge it better after watching the next two episodes, especially as I appreciated it more once I'd seen the WHOLE episode. Around the halfway mark, I was very unsure about what was going on, where it was leading too etc but I really loved the ending and the explanation of it all. The screen glitching at the start and end of the glimpse into the simulation were great little touches.

It was a really inventive plan for the monsters and it really sets up the threat for the next two parts. I was very unsure about them handling the whole 'why are we here' question but it definitely did all make sense with the simulation concept. Therefore, on reflection, I do think it handled those issues well. At first, I thought the projections were highlighting that the monsters were involved with all the major powers of the world e.g. they were secretly influencing them!

The downside to the episode were the flashbacks to Missy. Not that the quality of them weren't good, Missy was of course as AMAZING as ever ('show some respect'!) but they were very much shoe-horned in. Its as though they wanted to show the explanation of the events surrounding the vault and who is in it, so they can play with that in following episodes, but there's no real way to put it in that feels natural. I thought were getting an full blown episode with Missy so it was sad that that wasn't the case.

Posted by: JosephStyles🐶 May 22 2017, 02:09 PM

I totally agree about the Missy parts, whilst on their own they were fine and Michelle Gomez was superb as always, they didn't really fit into the flow of the episode much and made it that bit more confusing for a casual viewer I think - too much to keep track of!

I've rewatched the episode now and I think I understand it all. On reflection I think I've decided I really enjoyed the episode, particularly as I've never been the biggest fan of Moffat's overly confusing episodes. It did feel a bit weird coming after five relatively "normal" episodes though, so much for that RTD-style approach :') Bonus points for the Pope interrupting Bill's date, and Nardole's "nothing secret about it, babydoll" laugh.gif

Posted by: lotita May 22 2017, 04:03 PM

nardole was actually brilliant that episode, first time I felt like I enjoyed him being there

Posted by: Slick May 24 2017, 05:34 PM

I thought this was a good episode and probably the best of the series so far. I'm a sucker for the more complex ones, which is why I'm such a big fan of Series 6 and Moffat's writing generally.

The Missy stuff felt shoehorned in and she was underused, but I'm expecting to see lots of her in the coming episodes so that's OK.

I'm interested to see what this whole 'fake world' business means for the finale.

Posted by: Klaus May 26 2017, 01:03 PM

It is POSSIBLE that plans are in place for this to at least run up to Series 15!! It is all contained in some documents as they're trying to sell the series to China (as in for a Chinese broadcaster to show it).

Posted by: JosephStyles🐶 May 26 2017, 01:06 PM

QUOTE(Klaus @ May 26 2017, 02:03 PM) *
It is POSSIBLE that plans are in place for this to at least run up to Series 15!! It is all contained in some documents as they're trying to sell the series to China (as in for a Chinese broadcaster to show it).

ohmy.gif now this IS good news! Really great to see that the BBC are still invested in it, I expect it's one of their most successful shows on a worldwide scale (and of course in the UK too).

Posted by: Klaus May 26 2017, 01:12 PM

Yeh definitely good news that they're so invested! I would say it should be their most successful drama worldwide and a really big money spinner in terms of all the merchandising too!

Posted by: Yeasty Clutch May 26 2017, 01:12 PM

Yes!!

They must have found confidence in it again after the last few Capaldi series were utter TURD.

I love Capaldi now however with Bill!! Y'all were reet - it wasn't the actor; it was the writing! It's a shame it's all change again with Capaldi growing. His Doctor isn't godlike, it isn't perfect or preaching, it isn't ridiculouly strong, just like Eccleston.

Series 6 and 7 are probably my two favourites now, or at least the first half before Amy vanishes. I love the complicated stuff, too. I find the Tennant series, except the more complex Donna episodes, a bore and chore to watch.

Plothole, however: in this computer simulation of the WORLD, how was the Doctor blind and how did he remember his recent off-world travels?? How did they know? How did the programme know to make him blind?

Posted by: Klaus May 26 2017, 01:14 PM

I wouldn't say plothole, more that each simulation is probably representative of that specific time, ensuring that their plans can adapt with any relevant changes.

Posted by: JosephStyles🐶 May 26 2017, 01:16 PM

I just think of it as being similar to a copy and paste, except they did it for people and places laugh.gif plus if he wasn't blind, he'd probably have picked up on the simulation sooner I guess? As it wouldn't be true to life, he'd suddenly have had his eyesight fixed.

Posted by: Yeasty Clutch May 26 2017, 01:16 PM

How would they know he is blind? Ir is a complete secret, so how would that Doctor have becpme blind in the simulation and how would he have had off-world adventures?

Posted by: Yeasty Clutch May 26 2017, 01:18 PM

Yes, but how did the simulation doctor, who THEY programmed, know he had an off world adventure and went blind? For them, allll their history is simulated; it makes no difference if he can or can't see in the real world.

Plothole.

Posted by: JosephStyles🐶 May 26 2017, 01:20 PM

QUOTE(Yeasty Clutch @ May 26 2017, 02:18 PM) *
Yes, but how did the simulation doctor, who THEY programmed, know he had an off world adventure and went blind? For them, allll their history is simulated; it makes no difference if he can or can't see in the real world.

Plothole.

I assume it was programmed to copy memories and experiences too! A simulation is meant to reflect real life so if they just had a puppet Doctor, Bill and Nardole, it wouldn't be true to life because their past experiences could influence their decisions in the simulation perhaps. If they realised it was a simulation, and of course they did in the end, the simulation becomes pointless and no longer true to life, hence Nardole and Bill vanishing!

Posted by: Yeasty Clutch May 26 2017, 02:02 PM

That still makes no sense!!

How, how, did it completely mimic real life, secrets and memories? How, how did they do this? If they can do all this they can build a Tardis.

Posted by: Brett-Butler May 27 2017, 05:14 PM

Regarding all this talk about the ins and outs of the simulation, from about 40 seconds in -


Posted by: Yeasty Clutch May 27 2017, 05:16 PM

What teem toneet?

It is a HUGE plothole though!!

Posted by: Klaus May 27 2017, 06:16 PM

7:45 so long as Chelsea don't score in the FA Cup!

Posted by: Klaus May 27 2017, 07:38 PM

ok that ending was AMAZING and next week's episode also looks AMAZING!! Full return of Missy *.*

Posted by: JosephStyles🐶 May 27 2017, 07:42 PM

What a cliffhanger!! Certainly easier to follow than last week's as a full episode although I think I preferred last week's overall. Nevertheless, things are building reaaally well for next week's, very excited for that!

Posted by: Mart!n May 27 2017, 07:59 PM

Thoroughly enjoyed that episode and so much easier to follow, can't wait for next weeks episode.

Posted by: Chez Wombat May 27 2017, 07:59 PM

Very much an episode of two halves, the first half of that was way too dialogue heavy and extremely tedious, I could see the outcome of that 'decision' coming a mile away. The lab part and the final twist was absolutely fantastic though. I'm hoping Moffat to be able to wrap this story up in a great way, it's not always happened :')

Posted by: Mart!n May 27 2017, 07:59 PM

QUOTE(Yeasty Clutch @ May 27 2017, 06:16 PM) *
What teem toneet?

It is a HUGE plothole though!!


I hope you somehow forget your username and password when you log out.

Posted by: Yeasty Clutch May 27 2017, 08:27 PM

QUOTE(Mart!n @ May 27 2017, 08:59 PM) *
I hope you somehow forget your username and password when you log out.


Bitch shouldn't you be in the shoutbox cryin and bein all desperate debber now I beat you big hoe instead of repeatin crusty ol insult??

Good episode but not as good as last week's! Also, what kind of scientist leaves the container open, then BOTH SETS OF DOORS?? The room ia sealed for a reason and he would have made that journey a thousand times. Closing all hsor things wouldbr second nature, especially the door into the lab.

Posted by: Yeasty Clutch May 27 2017, 08:28 PM

Also, how come the Doctor with Time Lord technology, who could heal ANYTHIIING in the past, was unable to cure his vision, but aliens could -- and frm a distance too?

Posted by: dandy* May 27 2017, 08:55 PM

QUOTE(Chez Wombat @ May 27 2017, 08:59 PM) *
Very much an episode of two halves, the first half of that was way too dialogue heavy and extremely tedious, I could see the outcome of that 'decision' coming a mile away. The lab part and the final twist was absolutely fantastic though. I'm hoping Moffat to be able to wrap this story up in a great way, it's not always happened :')

Basically this. The disparity between the two halves couldn't have been greater.

Posted by: ♡ Heezus Froot ♡ May 28 2017, 01:02 AM

Can anyone kindly explain to me why the TARDIS has stopped translating foreign languages? First the Pope's italian last week, now russian.

Posted by: Yeasty Clutch May 28 2017, 05:06 AM

Another plothole.

Posted by: Klaus May 28 2017, 10:20 AM

Overall, the episode reminded of 70s Doctor Who, particularly the Pertwee era with all the army leaders, a monster threat that is sort of contained for the time being in a certain place and then the scientific threat led by characters who have yet to meet the Doctor or his companion!

I do slightly agree that it was dialogue heavy to begin with. I did enjoy the episode although there may be a feel of bridging the gap, as with many second parts of a trilogy. Last week's ep obviously introduced us to the threat whilst next week's episode seems to look at the full blown consequences of the threat and this was the kind of necessary episode looking at how we get to next week. That didn't stop it from exploring some interesting themes though! I liked the notion of it counting down to the end of the world, and increasing the tension, without the Doctor really knowing WHAT they were counting down to. The ways of therefore dealing with the monks and the fact that they could save the world were really interesting to look at.

The fact that it was simply bacteria bringing the end of the world was also a good idea because it is sort of the overlooked threat. It could be so easy for something like that to spread and, once it spreads, its so hard to stop it! I liked Erica and it would be nice to see her again next week although that's probably not happening.

As I said, that ending was brilliant! It's been a while since I felt that tense when watching a Doctor Who episode, even though I knew it would eventually end with Bill consenting. It was great that the blind arc was able to give such a good climax because I had been slightly unsure about the whole thing. Very much looking forward to next week's episode although the ending will probably be a reversing of time. Looks like The Doctor's regeneration as seen in the trailers will be next week too.

As an aside, I did notice where they'd http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/doctor-who/news/a829227/doctor-who-cut-terrorism-reference-this-weekend-episode/ which did leave a slightly clunky sequence but it was understandable and completely out of the episode's hands.

Posted by: Klaus May 28 2017, 10:26 AM

Seen some theories regarding the monks that they may be Mondasian Cyberman thinking.gif

QUOTE(♡ Heezus Froot ♡ @ May 28 2017, 02:02 AM) *
Can anyone kindly explain to me why the TARDIS has stopped translating foreign languages? First the Pope's italian last week, now russian.

I know the Pope was down to Moffatt just thinking it was better him speaking Italian and I was going to put that down to it being in the computer world. I don't recall them speaking Russian this episode but I don't have an explanation for that laugh.gif

Posted by: T Boy in Weeyals May 28 2017, 10:46 AM

Russian was spoken very briefly BEFORE he entered the Tardis and without any Tardis travellers present.

I really enjoyed it. I just hope next week keeps it up. Moffat hasn't been too good with conclusions in recent years...

Posted by: burbe May 30 2017, 09:20 AM

Really enjoyed that episode and it has built fantastically for next week!

Posted by: Suedehead2 Jun 3 2017, 07:48 PM

A brilliant end to the three-parter although I was half expecting the thing controlling the propaganda to be a copy of the Daily Mail tongue.gif

Posted by: Willy's Tears Jun 3 2017, 07:57 PM

Superb episode and ending, with tricks and turns, but they really missed a trick with the Daily Mail copy!! I got their propaganda and fake news thing, but a Daily Mail paper could have really brought it on home to the people who believe all the trash in it.

And this is how a doctor should be: not pandering, not preaching, not invinciblr (like that Tennant twat) but just mad and with non-magic plans that sometimes don't work and sometimes having more intelligent things or plans out there.

Posted by: Willy's Tears Jun 3 2017, 07:58 PM

Still wonder about Missy: is she actually the Rami or will she turn good then just regenerate into the Master again and become evil once more?

But her speech about goodness might tie into the end and Bill and the Doctor's demise.

Posted by: JosephStyles🐶 Jun 3 2017, 11:09 PM

This trilogy has been Doctor Who at its best. Extremis had me worried at first as it seemed two steps back to overly complicated plotlines that alienated the casual audience but with a rewatch of that plus the second and third parts, I've absolutely loved it. Pearl Mackie is SUPERB, Bill is easily my favourite companion since Donna now and I'd say she's in my companion trinity with Martha and Donna. Capaldi is also superb and while less essential, I do love the touches Nardole adds to the dynamic.

Posted by: HarryApa Jun 3 2017, 11:10 PM

I Just finished watching this episode and I loved this ep for me it was the strongest of the three-parters. I loved the twist and turns. The structure of the episode and the way it was filmed etc was outstanding. The monks were actually powerful threats for me in that they were not outright evil but more sneakily evil if that makes sense.

I also have to praise Pearl Mackie's acting! Superb during the doctor hostage scene.

Posted by: Willy's Tears Jun 3 2017, 11:23 PM

LMAO but Martha is bland as HELL - there's a reason Moffatt NEVER brings her back. She is the worst companion of ALL TIME.

Bill is now my third favourite, as Donna is marred from being with an awful doctor:

1. Rose
2. Amy
3. Bill
4. Donna
5. Rory
6. Sarah Jane
7. Sweet but boring Clara
8. Basic Bitch

I don't want the Doctor to regenerate sad.gif Now he has good writing, he is brilliant, as is Bill (and her acting too). Keep them both for another season!

Posted by: Chez Wombat Jun 3 2017, 11:35 PM

That was mainly great, the Monks' Orwellian society (however obvious a nod to 'fake news' it was) was excellently set up, the scene with Bill and the Doctor confronting each other was perfection (even if you knew he was faking, he pulled it off extremely well!).

The ending was disappointing though, just Bill's feeling of love saving the earth and then the monks just leave like that? What happened to Bill becoming brainless because of her link broken? I didn't buy it. There was a real moral dilemma that was set up there for them both that was brushed over, plus the monks were great, powerful villains that deserved a bigger battle than that.

I agree that Pearl Mackie was exceptional here all the way through, the fact Bill shot the Doctor so willingly was a bit ohmy.gif makes me think this could be linked to how he actually dies in the finale? With Missy involved ofc.

Posted by: Willy's Tears Jun 3 2017, 11:39 PM

QUOTE(Chez Wombat @ Jun 4 2017, 12:35 AM) *
That was mainly great, the Monks' Orwellian society (however obvious a nod to 'fake news' it was) was excellently set up, the scene with Bill and the Doctor confronting each other was perfection (even if you knew he was faking, he pulled it off extremely well!).

The ending was disappointing though, just Bill's feeling of love saving the earth and then the monks just leave like that? What happened to Bill becoming brainless because of her link broken? I didn't buy it. There was a real moral dilemma that was set up there for them both that was brushed over, plus the monks were great, powerful villains that deserved a bigger battle than that.

I agree that Pearl Mackie was exceptional here all the way through, the fact Bill shot the Doctor so willingly was a bit ohmy.gif makes me think this could be linked to how he actually dies in the finale? With Missy involved ofc.


I think so too - her speech about goodness, and how his is selfish, HAS to play a part, especially given ALL THREE are leaving this series.

Posted by: burbe Jun 4 2017, 11:20 AM

I really enjoyed the episode, great way to end the three parter. Bill is just incredible! She's now become my favourite companion.

Posted by: Klaus Jun 5 2017, 12:11 PM

It was a really brilliant set up and it was nice to have Bill at the forefront of the episode again. Loved the scene where she was confronting the Doctor and the first half of the episode was really strong. The second half faltered in a way, mainly because, once again, the love for a family member saves the day. Why mention that Bill would be braindead, if it's not addressed later on.

UNLESS there is unfinished business with the Monks and they're still actually all in a computer simulation?? Considering they were sort of the focus for the three-parter, I don't think they were utlised enough. What was actually their intentions, do they just want to control planets? Considering they're clever enough to run computer simulations, know what is bringing about the end of the world etc, they were defeated so easily and just basically seemed to give up. The scene where they were attacking the sort of military officers with the tapes was really good so it is a shame we didn't see more of them. It does feel like they may be returning in the finale though...

I did like the themes and tone of the episode. Once again, the scenes with Missy were great (although I was TRICKED once again as I thought she was going to be there for the full episode). The flashes of 'Truth' and the monks were a good touch too.

One question: Surely Missy has at least talked to the Doctor about Clara?? Would that revive his memories??

Posted by: lotita Jun 5 2017, 07:09 PM

i feel like the monks will come back for the final couple of episodes??? i can't see them being over FOR SURE

anyway i really enjoyed that episode, it really was dr who at it's best. i adore bill

Posted by: Willy's Tears Jun 5 2017, 07:12 PM

The Doctor has some memory of Clara - remember he talked about her to Clara without realising who she was!

Posted by: Willy's Tears Jun 5 2017, 07:13 PM

I think that the monks will come back in the final too, especialy if they are Time Lords.

Posted by: Klaus Jun 5 2017, 07:23 PM

QUOTE(Willy @ Jun 5 2017, 08:12 PM) *
The Doctor has some memory of Clara - remember he talked about her to Clara without realising who she was!

But he doesn't really remember enough for what Missy might say to him. Missy was the one who introduced Clara to the Doctor after all, so it isn't as though she wouldn't care!

QUOTE(Willy @ Jun 5 2017, 08:13 PM) *
I think that the monks will come back in the final too, especialy if they are Time Lords.

Oo that's an interesting theory I haven't heard yet. I'd like that a lot more than the Cyberman theory I keep hearing.

Posted by: Willy's Tears Jun 5 2017, 08:49 PM

That is a point but it has been hundreds of years!

He obviously told her about Bill and she didn't push, just like she didn't push once she heard about River.

I never understood why she introduced her to him or why it was such a big rhing as for Mi to go on about it at the end of the world! Who was the Hybrid btw?

Posted by: JosephStyles🐶 Jun 10 2017, 07:30 PM

Really great episode tonight I thought. I was worried after the next time clip didn't engage me too much but I enjoyed it much more than I thought (although it wasn't perfect). I liked the Ice Warriors much more than in Cold War, and the Alpha Centauri cameo was pretty fun kink.gif (voiced by the same actress as over 40 years ago in the classic series!!)

Posted by: dandy* Jun 10 2017, 07:43 PM

I didn't really like it that much if I'm honest, it was very basic and pretty much a filler episode. In fact, I haven't really cared for the past couple of episodes at all after a pretty strong start to the series.

Posted by: Brett-Butler Jun 10 2017, 07:55 PM

QUOTE(JosephStyles🐶 @ Jun 10 2017, 08:30 PM) *
Really great episode tonight I thought. I was worried after the next time clip didn't engage me too much but I enjoyed it much more than I thought (although it wasn't perfect). I liked the Ice Warriors much more than in Cold War, and the Alpha Centauri cameo was pretty fun kink.gif (voiced by the same actress as over 40 years ago in the classic series!!)


I have to admit, I didn't realise the Alpha Centauri was a throwback to the original series - I actually thought that is was Missy putting on a voice to trick The Doctor.

Posted by: Willy's Tears Jun 10 2017, 08:35 PM

Huh.

Who trailers are always right.

Looked basic in the trailer and it was.

Still not as bad as the insect house one.

Posted by: Mark. Jun 10 2017, 08:51 PM

QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Jun 10 2017, 08:55 PM) *
I have to admit, I didn't realise the Alpha Centauri was a throwback to the original series - I actually thought that is was Missy putting on a voice to trick The Doctor.


Posted by: Willy's Tears Jun 10 2017, 08:59 PM

Nice of the Tardis to translate between EVERYONE on the planet when it wasn't even there or there for the first human Ice Warrior interactions.

Posted by: Mark. Jun 10 2017, 09:55 PM

https://twitter.com/spankybackpack/status/800444397678694401


Posted by: Slick Jun 11 2017, 09:18 AM

I really enjoyed this episode. I don't know much about the Ice Warriors considering they've only had one appearance in the new series before this episode but I liked them and thought they were a genuine threat. This is probably the best standalone adventure so far this series.

I also thought that Alpha Centauri was just Missy putting on a silly voice to begin with.

Posted by: Severin Jun 11 2017, 04:57 PM

Loved that the Ice Warriors are back proper, as they've been my favourites since I first discovered them in the early 80s. I prefer them without the Ice Lords though and they're not as sinister as they used to be but I thought that was a great stand alone story

Posted by: Klaus Jun 12 2017, 03:07 PM

I didn't enjoy it as much as most of the rest of the series. The opening 15 minutes or so were pretty bad (particularly in terms of directing/editing I feel) but, as it went on, and the Empress was introduced it did get better.

My main problem I think comes from the fact we have to believe that Victorian British soldiers somehow travelled to Mars and were also able to live there?? It was a bigger stretch than the moon being an egg for me and I was waiting for a twist all throughout the episode.

I kind of wish that it jumped into the monster moments a lot sooner so there could have been a few more interesting moments. Instead, it basically felt that the Empress sent out 6 soldiers to attack the British soldiers, killed 4/5 of them within like 2 minutes and then it was resolved. There could have been a lot more done with the Ice Warriors in that respect. The way they killed them was pretty cool though, I was impressed with that and the Monk's killing last week too.

It was an alright watch but pretty sub-par for me and probably felt more like a second/third draft. I would have completely removed the aspect of the soldiers being Victorian too because it is completely unbelievable. I'm not a massive Mark Gatiss fan and that aspect just felt like a vanity thing.

I did like the Alpha Centuri cameo though, having watched the two stories she's in <3

Posted by: Suedehead2 Jun 12 2017, 03:35 PM

QUOTE(Klaus @ Jun 12 2017, 04:07 PM) *
It was an alright watch but pretty sub-par for me and probably felt more like a second/third draft. I would have completely removed the aspect of the soldiers being Victorian too because it is completely unbelievable. I'm not a massive Mark Gatiss fan and that aspect just felt like a vanity thing.

That would have meant having to cut the "I can forgive your Victorian attitude because.... you're Victorian" line sad.gif

In other news, Russel T Davies has dropped a hint that the new Doctor has been chosen. Could they do the reveal in the last episode of this series?

Posted by: burbe Jun 12 2017, 07:22 PM

I just caught up today, I wasn't huge on this episode. It felt a bit too contrived, particularly the Victorian element. I agree with Klaus that it probably would've been better leaving them out. I enjoyed the Ice Warriors but felt they weren't used to their full potential and the whole thing did feel resolved too quickly and easily.

Posted by: Brett-Butler Jun 13 2017, 08:10 PM

QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jun 12 2017, 04:35 PM) *
In other news, Russel T Davies has dropped a hint that the new Doctor has been chosen. Could they do the reveal in the last episode of this series?


I've read a few rumours as to how they are going to handle the regeneration this time around, and it would be interesting if the rumour I've heard was true. Here be spoilers...

Peter Calpaldi said that this regeneration will be different from the other generations earlier this year. This series is due to end with The Doctor being so broken by the events that occur in the finale, that he chooses not to regenerate, with the series ending on that cliffhanger. At the beginning of the Christmas special however, he is shown two potential future reincarnations, and it is only at the end of the special that it is revealed which one is the true 13th Doctor. The episode is also rumoured to feature The First Doctor (with David Bradley taking on the role), and possibly a reappearance by his granddaughter Susan for the first time in nearly 50 years.

Then again, these are just rumours at the moment, so take them with a pinch of salt

Posted by: Willy's Tears Jun 17 2017, 09:19 PM

Really, really boring episode.

Didn't even make sense as NO CREATURE can withstand the sun.

How did it darken things? Was it eaing people's bones or light particles? Plants photosynthesise and nothing happens to light levels lol.

Posted by: HarryEzra Jun 17 2017, 09:21 PM

I rather liked this episode especially the scene with Bill and the soldiers coming out to them in a rather unexpectedly modern age.

Hyped for next episode and the one after cheer.gif

Posted by: JosephStyles🐶 Jun 17 2017, 09:24 PM

Not the best of the series but I liked it more than what seems to be the general reaction on forums. It was a pretty great story, and relatively light-hearted before the seriousness of the impending finale.

Posted by: Brett-Butler Jun 17 2017, 09:24 PM

Wasn't as keen on this one this week.

Oh well, next week's one looks like it'll be interesting from the preview, given that Tim Farron is returning as The Master alongside Missy.

Posted by: Willy's Tears Jun 17 2017, 09:30 PM

FROM THE LIB DEMS?!

No, the story was nonsensical and did not fit together. It was just all ovee the place. Nonsensical.

Posted by: JosephStyles🐶 Jun 17 2017, 09:36 PM


Posted by: Brett-Butler Jun 17 2017, 09:37 PM

QUOTE(Willy @ Jun 17 2017, 10:30 PM) *
FROM THE LIB DEMS?!


John Simm, who bares a surprising resemblance to Mr Farron -



Posted by: Willy's Tears Jun 17 2017, 09:47 PM

I don't see it.

Posted by: Mack Jun 17 2017, 10:11 PM

An interesting next episode beckons, this was all right.

Posted by: Mart!n Jun 17 2017, 10:14 PM

This was probably the worst episode of the series. Only 2 episodes left, the remaining episodes should be interesting

Posted by: Willy's Tears Jun 17 2017, 10:20 PM

The other Capaldi series had some STINKERS, but this one is up there with them.

Posted by: Mack Jun 18 2017, 11:13 AM

Anyone looking forward to seeing The Master return?


Posted by: HarryEzra Jun 18 2017, 11:27 AM

QUOTE(Mack @ Jun 18 2017, 12:13 PM) *
Anyone looking forward to seeing The Master return?

I am I cannot wait to see him again

Posted by: burbe Jun 18 2017, 01:19 PM

This week's was the worst of the series for me! Hopefully should be back to form with the last couple of episodes coming up now.

Posted by: lotita Jun 19 2017, 11:17 AM

that episode wasn't that bad, wasn't as predictable as i thought ohmy.gif VERY hyped for next weeks though!

Posted by: Severin Jun 19 2017, 11:44 AM

I like the idea that the crows remember.
The rest of it was dull

Posted by: Klaus Jun 19 2017, 03:24 PM

I have to agree that it wasn't the most exciting episode. Not terrible by any means but a bit dull and, once again, the monster took a backseat. Except this time, the storyline wasn't overly exciting.

Incredibly excited for the finale though, hope there's plenty of surprises in store!

Posted by: 777666jason Jun 23 2017, 01:28 PM

I agree a weak episode of what's been a pretty strong series overall

Posted by: HarryEzra Jun 24 2017, 06:33 PM

Very great. What a 10/10 episode. Fully creepy and just amazing from start to finish. Yes at the master's reveal too.

Posted by: JosephStyles🐶 Jun 24 2017, 06:34 PM

I've been enjoying this series as a whole but it's been a while since I've been THIS glued to an episode. Full of twists and turns, and I didn't actually recognise Simm in his disguise either until nearer the end. First 10/10 I'd give in this series.

Posted by: Mark. Jun 24 2017, 06:50 PM

Well that was a brilliant episode. Love the cliffhanger at the end but how much better it would have been if they had kept the return of John Simm a secret...same for the Mondasiam Cybermen.
I think there is no need for spoilers.

Posted by: JosephStyles🐶 Jun 24 2017, 06:53 PM

Yeah I'd have loved it if they'd kept Simm's return a secret, but nevertheless his reveal was superb I thought.

Posted by: Suedehead2 Jun 24 2017, 07:17 PM

I'd guessed that the hairy character who looked like something out of Harry Potter would be John Simm although, obviously, if I hadn't known he was returning I would have had no idea. Similarly, I doubt I'd have guessed about the cybermen until very near the end. It was still a fantastic episode though even with the spoilers.

I won't be able to see the finale when it goes out. That could be awkward if there is a full-blown regeneration as it's bound to be reported as a news story if it happens. Bad planning on my parents' part having their 60th wedding anniversary next week laugh.gif

Posted by: Brett-Butler Jun 24 2017, 07:23 PM

QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jun 24 2017, 08:17 PM) *
I won't be able to see the finale when it goes out. That could be awkward if there is a full-blown regeneration as it's bound to be reported as a news story if it happens. Bad planning on my parents' part having their 60th wedding anniversary next week laugh.gif


Doctor Who should always be watched as a family. biggrin.gif

I can't see the regeneration happening next week, or at least the aftermath of it, as I doubt the BBC would have been able to keep the secret without any leaks so close to its actual broadcast - although if they did, I would be mightily surprised.

Most probable event in my mind - the process will start next week, but we won't see who he regenerates into until the Christmas special.

Posted by: Suedehead2 Jun 24 2017, 07:32 PM

Thee seems to be a general willingness to avoid letting too much out of the bag. I assume any previews sent to critics will be without the ending. So, as long as they haven't started filming the Christmas episode, the number of people knowing about a regeneration would be relatively limited. Obviously, once they start filming the Christmas one, more people would see the new Doctor around the set.

Posted by: MoistSummerFruit Jun 24 2017, 07:34 PM

Ahh I think you are reet tbh.

Haven't watched this yet. first one I canet see with the family too ohmy.gif

Posted by: JosephStyles🐶 Jun 24 2017, 07:37 PM

Christmas is being filmed right now I've read, and is wrapping up around 11th July or so!

Posted by: MoistSummerFruit Jun 24 2017, 07:39 PM

So he probably regenerates at the end of the Xmas episode.

Posted by: MoistSummerFruit Jun 24 2017, 07:40 PM

Moffat needs to go - awful, arrogant man.

Posted by: HarryEzra Jun 24 2017, 07:45 PM

QUOTE(MoistSummerFruit @ Jun 24 2017, 08:40 PM) *
Moffat needs to go - awful, arrogant man.

Lucky this is his last series then basil.gif

Posted by: MoistSummerFruit Jun 24 2017, 07:46 PM

He got someone fired from working with Doc Who EVER AGAIN because he told the cretin that he had written a plothole, but he could fix it with adding a line.

Moffat just walked away from him without a word. He then got the sack. Vile man.

Posted by: T Boy in Weeyals Jun 24 2017, 08:09 PM

Loved that. Didn't guess that man was the Master until he walked in on Missy and I don't know how but I could just tell.

Worried for Bill tho.

Posted by: MoistSummerFruit Jun 24 2017, 08:10 PM

Bill dies/ leaves this season though right??

Posted by: Mart!n Jun 24 2017, 08:22 PM

Loved the episode 10/10 And John Simm returning, for some reason at the back of my mind the producers was going to tease us with John Simm would be the next Doctor and try to twist the story a bit.

Posted by: JosephStyles🐶 Jun 24 2017, 08:34 PM

QUOTE(MoistSummerFruit @ Jun 24 2017, 09:10 PM) *
Bill dies/ leaves this season though right??

Moffat's said, at the Q&A thing, that that's it for Bill and she's dead, but rule 1 is that Moffat lies so time will tell!

Posted by: MoistSummerFruit Jun 24 2017, 08:41 PM

It will be veeery interesting to see how the Doctor recovers from that.

Posted by: dandy* Jun 24 2017, 08:55 PM

That was a much better episode I agree... I also agree it could have been even better if I didn't already know about the Cybermen and the Master featuring in it.

I think they could have done more with the difference in time aspect but maybe it would have felt too much like the Girl in the Fireplace story if they had done. Just how many times has Bill sort of died this season?!!! She seems to have been in peril virtually every episode.

Posted by: Suedehead2 Jun 24 2017, 09:21 PM

I'm sure Bill hasn't died as many times as Rory did yet laugh.gif

Posted by: Regina Jun 24 2017, 10:20 PM

Has the Doctor lost any other companions to death (and staying dead) before?

Posted by: Brett-Butler Jun 24 2017, 10:23 PM

QUOTE(Regina @ Jun 24 2017, 11:20 PM) *
Has the Doctor lost any other companions to death (and staying dead) before?


A few in the revival series. Astrid & Amy spring to mind, and I think there were a few in the original series that a few of the more clued-in fans on here could fill you in on

Posted by: Regina Jun 24 2017, 10:31 PM

Oh yeah Astrid laugh.gif duh.

Amy only died aster a long and happy life though, i kinda meant dying while with the Doctor.

Posted by: JosephStyles🐶 Jun 24 2017, 10:31 PM

If I remember correctly, the only full-time companion to actually die is Adric, companion of the 4th and 5th Doctors, plus there's Clara technically I guess! Out of the one-off companions, there's Astrid as mentioned already as well as Adelaide from The Waters of Mars.

Posted by: dandy* Jun 24 2017, 11:13 PM

QUOTE(JosephStyles🐶 @ Jun 24 2017, 11:31 PM) *
If I remember correctly, the only full-time companion to actually die is Adric, companion of the 4th and 5th Doctors, plus there's Clara technically I guess! Out of the one-off companions, there's Astrid as mentioned already as well as Adelaide from The Waters of Mars.


Ace?

Posted by: dandy* Jun 24 2017, 11:20 PM

I've just googled and apparently not. I could've sworn I recalled Ace departing by dying. Odd!

Posted by: Regina Jun 24 2017, 11:22 PM

Well it appears Bill finally did something interesting then smoke.gif She remains my least favourite companion of the revived series by far. Doesn't help that Peter is my least fave doc. laugh.gif

Posted by: JosephStyles🐶 Jun 25 2017, 12:38 AM

Just done some research on companion deaths, two short-lived companions died in the same story in the Hartnell era - Katarina (who'd only joined in the previous story) and Sara Kingdom (who only appeared in that very story - The Daleks' Master Plan). Android companion Kamelion is destroyed by the Fifth Doctor as an act of mercy too, but he only appeared in two stories mostly due to technical issues. Otherwise just Adric from the classic series. I guess we could kinda add River Song to the list for the new series but she died the first time the Doctor met her, wibbly wobbly and all that :')

Posted by: T Boy in Weeyals Jun 25 2017, 08:51 AM

Ace never got an exit. The show was cancelled and she was gone without explanation by the 1996 movie.

I loved when she swapped places with Mel. Bonnie Langford's screaming *_*

Posted by: Severin Jun 25 2017, 09:06 AM

QUOTE(JosephStyles🐶 @ Jun 25 2017, 01:38 AM) *
Just done some research on companion deaths, two short-lived companions died in the same story in the Hartnell era - Katarina (who'd only joined in the previous story) and Sara Kingdom (who only appeared in that very story - The Daleks' Master Plan). Android companion Kamelion is destroyed by the Fifth Doctor as an act of mercy too, but he only appeared in two stories mostly due to technical issues. Otherwise just Adric from the classic series. I guess we could kinda add River Song to the list for the new series but she died the first time the Doctor met her, wibbly wobbly and all that :')

Sara Kingdom's classification as companion was the subject of much debate for years. It always used to be a requirement that to be a companion you had to travel with The Doctor, in the TARDIS and appear in more than one serial or it didn't count.
Then the series relaunched and it seems anyone who spends half an hour with The Doctor counts now

I preferred the old criteria

Posted by: Chez Wombat Jun 25 2017, 12:03 PM

Caught up with last night's and I agree it was excellent, a clear highlight of the series. Though it is such a shame that John Simm's Master was revealed prior as that could've made such a shocking cliffhanger. Bill's scenes were particularly incredible, and I was wrong about the slightly goofy look of the Mondasian Cybermen, the muted pain that they were feeling was, if anything, even scarier than the latest upgrades. I just hope that the impossible can happen and it's concluded well.

One thing I didn't know is that this could be it for Bill? ohmy.gif I'm not fully believing that yet considering how many times she's 'died' this season though.

Posted by: dandy* Jun 25 2017, 12:19 PM

I don't really see how Bill can escape this though unless they do a rubbish go back in the tardis and stop her and erase everything type of fix, she's already been upgraded.

But there again, I don't really understand how she could earlier survive having a huge hole blasted into her either.

Posted by: ein zwei drei Jun 25 2017, 12:51 PM

that epispde was absolutely fantastic, the patients sat in the wards pressing those buttons was one of the most chilling parts of the season. i had proper goosebumps

Posted by: Dexton Jun 25 2017, 02:16 PM

Just caught up now.

I had no idea that the Cybermen would be returning but I was literally screaming to myself all the way through "holy s*** are they making cybermen?" laugh.gif
From seeing the "Coversion Room" it gave me huge 'The Age of Steel' vibes (or at least I think it was that episode where the Cybermen are converting people) and then all the subtle "upgrade" nods.

A very good episode all around and probably my favourite of this series so far. The first few episodes were pretty enjoyable but the 3-parter-ish was empty to me, mostly just a bit of character development for Missy accompanied by a poor executed story about monks and pyramids. Last weeks was a big improvement but still the story felt a bit bland and the Ice Warriors definitely deserved more for their big comeback. All that said... this series has been my favourite in a long time. I did not enjoy a single episode with Clara and Matt Smith gradually became more and more unbearable.

Anyways tongue.gif Can't wait for next week!

Posted by: MoistSummerFruit Jun 25 2017, 04:13 PM

Oh my god!!!

Wish I hadn't come in here and read the spoiler about the disguise - I LITERALLY just remembered at the end when he was talking to Missy so that spoiled it a little.

That's it for Bill sad.gif

Wonder who kills the doctor!!

Posted by: MoistSummerFruit Jun 25 2017, 04:14 PM

QUOTE(Dexton @ Jun 25 2017, 03:16 PM) *
Just caught up now.

I had no idea that the Cybermen would be returning but I was literally screaming to myself all the way through "holy s*** are they making cybermen?" laugh.gif
From seeing the "Coversion Room" it gave me huge 'The Age of Steel' vibes (or at least I think it was that episode where the Cybermen are converting people) and then all the subtle "upgrade" nods.

A very good episode all around and probably my favourite of this series so far. The first few episodes were pretty enjoyable but the 3-parter-ish was empty to me, mostly just a bit of character development for Missy accompanied by a poor executed story about monks and pyramids. Last weeks was a big improvement but still the story felt a bit bland and the Ice Warriors definitely deserved more for their big comeback. All that said... this series has been my favourite in a long time. I did not enjoy a single episode with Clara and Matt Smith gradually became more and more unbearable.

Anyways tongue.gif Can't wait for next week!


Agreed - the Clara episodes were teeerrible, just like the Martha Jones ones. The episode last week was the worst one in years, however, and was literally nonsensical.

Posted by: Jacobspam Jun 25 2017, 06:00 PM

Omg what an episode. I kind of assumed that Missy would regenerate back into The Master (as Simm) but it makes more sense that it's a past version of him/herself. Can't wait for next week now. ohmy.gif

Posted by: Klaus Jun 25 2017, 08:54 PM

Bill cry.gif

I have no words, I'm gutted. Of course anything could happen next week but it would feel very much like a very cheap exit to get out of it and keep her alive. She's been such a brilliant companion and far, FAR better than I ever thought she would be. So gutted that she went out that way, even though the rumours were there that she would only be here for one series.

Definitely the best episode of the series. As Joseph said, it has been a good series overall but this is certainly the first 10/10 episode. Perfectly gripping and so many shocks throughout. The way that it built up of course means that it would have been even MORE enjoyable had we not known about the Cyberman/Master but I can certainly see why they did it because it creates buzz and promotion.

It was a great set up and the Hospital scenes in particular were incredibly spooky and exactly what I've been yearning for from Moffat for a long time! I've always found the Cybermen to be a REALLY creepy idea but, maybe because it is so dark?, no one in the new era has really played that out effectively. This was definitely what I've been waiting for in that respect and it's what I thought Moffat would do when I first heard he was becomingthe exec producer.

Didn't see that guy being the Master until, as others have said, he met up with Missy and the clues and hints were more evident. Really well played out and a throwback to his disguses in the classic series! Very much looking forward to the Missy/Master interactions!

I'm just heartbroken for Bill, especially going out the same way as Danny f***ing Pink. sad.gif

Posted by: MoistSummerFruit Jun 25 2017, 09:28 PM

That did it as their ratings were through the floor I reckon so had to leak spoilers.

I only realised he was the Master due to having read spoilers here - I had completely forgotten till he met up with her! Then it all clicked and I remembered.

Exactly!! sad.gif

Also, now two of three of his black companions have been turned into Cybermen!!

Posted by: Klaus Jun 25 2017, 09:41 PM

Also, was it just me, or was one of the shots through one of the ship's windows (at the start) of the fields seen in Smile? Made me think it was some twist that all the series' adventures had just taken place inside the ship!

Posted by: MoistSummerFruit Jun 25 2017, 10:11 PM

Yes, the fields show, as does what looks like the satellite where the doctor goes blind and also the monks in another!! The Scottish hill from last week too!!!!

Posted by: Klaus Jun 25 2017, 10:52 PM

Oooo will be very interesting to see if there's a reason for all that then, I hope so!! Perhaps Bill Pptts isn't actually all she seems (which, again, I would actually be disappointed by)

Posted by: lordita Jun 26 2017, 11:29 AM

I'M IN TWO MINDS. i don't want bill to go just bc i love her, but i hope there isn't a rlly cringe way of saving her

Posted by: Severin Jun 26 2017, 01:32 PM

QUOTE(MoistSummerFruit @ Jun 25 2017, 10:28 PM) *
Also, now two of three of his black companions have been turned into Cybermen!!


If you're including Danny Pink as a companion than I think you really ought to consider Mickey one too, so that's only a 50% conversion rate.

Posted by: MoistSummerFruit Jun 26 2017, 05:38 PM

Yes I counted Mikey. It's 75% as Mikey was thr only one who wasn't converted. The othrr teo black companions, Danny and Bill, were!!

Posted by: JosephStyles🐶 Jun 26 2017, 05:50 PM

QUOTE(MoistSummerFruit @ Jun 26 2017, 06:38 PM) *
Yes I counted Mikey. It's 75% as Mikey was thr only one who wasn't converted. The othrr teo black companions, Danny and Bill, were!!


Posted by: MoistSummerFruit Jun 26 2017, 05:51 PM

Oh I forgot qbout that beige bitch.

But it is still 65% as she WAS converted into a Cyberman in her first episode anyway.

Posted by: Klaus Jun 26 2017, 05:57 PM

QUOTE(MoistSummerFruit @ Jun 26 2017, 06:51 PM) *
Oh I forgot qbout that beige bitch.

But it is still 65% as she WAS converted into a Cyberman in her first episode anyway.

omg of course!!! I'm not sure how I feel about this mellow.gif

Posted by: Severin Jun 26 2017, 06:37 PM

QUOTE(MoistSummerFruit @ Jun 26 2017, 06:51 PM) *
Oh I forgot qbout that beige bitch.

But it is still 65% as she WAS converted into a Cyberman in her first episode anyway.

Except that wasn't actually Martha herself.

As an addition wasn't there a cyber girlfriend in Torchwood who was black?

Posted by: burbe Jun 26 2017, 08:19 PM

Not Bill cry.gif Anyone but Bill cry.gif Although like Lotti said, I don't want them to have a really cringe fix and save her.

Posted by: Mart!n Jul 1 2017, 04:18 PM

Can't wait for the finale I hour and 15 mins to go cheer.gif

Posted by: Mart!n Jul 1 2017, 06:38 PM

Wow, that was brilliant, 10/10, I shall miss Peter Capaldi, but I think I know who is the new Doctor now biggrin.gif if it is, excellent choice.

And a titbit of info, Isra is well know from the Carry on movies, Carry on Cruising is one of them, I didn't know she was still acting.

Posted by: JosephStyles Jul 1 2017, 06:44 PM

(spoilers from tonight's episode ahead)

Wow!!! Totally different in terms of tone compared to the first part but still amazing. Bill's ending was beautifully portrayed, Heather's return was a lovely surprise and it was a perfect end to Bill's story, even if I'd have loved her to continue (and I guess she might, it's possible for her to become human again like Heather said isn't it?). Nardole never felt quite as important to the series as Moffat hyped him to be, but nevertheless I enjoyed his presence and I'd be very sad if that's the last we're seeing of him too.

The Cybermen and Missy/Master storylines were both so huge on their own and my only criticism would be that they could've worked better in separate stories, but the newer Cybermen designs didn't feel out of place actually and I'm glad the focus seemed to be more on upgrading than simply destroying, which is the core of what the Cybermen are about after all. Simm and Gomez had incredible chemistry and I do wish they had a little bit more to do but I love how they've caused each other's regenerations laugh.gif

And the ending...!!! I'd read about the First Doctor rumours with David Bradley but it was an amazing moment to see anyway, total goosebumps, so hyped for Christmas!! Was hoping for a glimpse of 13 perhaps but it wasn't to be kink.gif

Posted by: T Boy Jul 1 2017, 07:22 PM

Really enjoyed that. Beautiful ending for Bill, interesting ending overall.

Posted by: JosephStyles Jul 1 2017, 07:30 PM

Full series rank:

1. World Enough and Time
2. The Doctor Falls
3. Extremis
4. Oxygen
5. Empress of Mars
6. Smile
7. The Pyramid at the End of the World
8. The Pilot
9. The Eaters of Light
10. The Lie of the Land
11. Knock Knock
12. Thin Ice

No true stinkers this series which is pretty impressive, although the top 2 are quite comfortably ahead of the rest. Well done to Moffat and everyone else on making a cracking series to go out on, certainly the best since series 5.

Posted by: Chez Wombat Jul 1 2017, 09:55 PM

Ugh, such a tease, was so hoping to see the newly regenerated Doctor laugh.gif Very intrigued for the Christmas special though, David Bradley looks to be a good choice.

I will admit that could've been a mess, but it was a really good finale. The actual Cybermen were kinda...there. It was really all about the individual characters. The Master and Missy and their conflicted interests, Bill's whole story from how she ended up and how she saw herself (was a great ending for her, I'd completely forgotten about Heather!) and The Doctor realising he's defeated yet still trying to do good, all really well handled and complemented each other well.

Not been a vintage series at all really, the three parter was messy and the standalone ones weren't really strong enough to warrant repeat viewings, but it certainly ended on a good note!

Posted by: burbe Jul 2 2017, 10:57 AM

Really enjoyed the finale, the character driven elements - particularly Missy vs The Master were the highlights. It was also a lovely ending for Bill too! A more believable cop-out of death compared with Clara. Very intrigued by that end scene ohmy.gif Capaldi had a decent run as The Doctor and that was a really good note to end on for his main series run. A lovely cliffhanger for Christmas too!

Posted by: ♡ Heezus Froot ♡ Jul 2 2017, 12:48 PM

QUOTE(Chez Wombat @ Jul 2 2017, 12:55 AM) *
the three parter was messy and the standalone ones weren't really strong enough to warrant repeat viewings, but it certainly ended on a good note!



This sums up my opinion on the entire series 10, though I will be watching it again as in the past I liked some episodes more when I rewatched them

Posted by: dandy* Jul 2 2017, 12:59 PM

This series could have been amazing but it never really managed to make it. There were some really great ideas along the way (namely the emoticon bots, missy vs master, Bill in general, cyberbill, Pilot, the monks) but somehow they managed to make the whole add up to less than the sum of their parts. The finale was good and definitely the best two shows of the series, though I could have done without the Missy vs Master parts and would have found it far more effective if they had been given an entirely different two parter for their story - Bill being converted was enough on its own and the time moving at different rates could have been explored far more.

The Missy vs Master thing was wonderful but lost emotional impact compared to everything else going on around them, a real shame for Missy in particular who is easily one of the best characters that the show has ever had - she deserved a better exit than that.

Posted by: HarryEzra Jul 2 2017, 02:16 PM

Very great finale, Great character moments. Master Vs Missy, Bill as Cyberman vs her human mind. A heartbreaking end for Missy as the doctor will never know she wanted to stand alongside him (although if she regenerates of course). Bill had a lovely ending and was a nice surprise seeing Heather again. The ending was a shocker and leads to the Christmas special well. My only criticism the Cybermen were not utilized in the second part as they were in the first like although we didn't see Bill as the Cybermen until the end we saw hints and really chilling scenes before. Then they just didn't have that scary edge in the second episode.

Posted by: Klaus Jul 2 2017, 02:45 PM

I do agree that it perhaps fell into the same trap as Dark Water/Death in Heaven, in that there's a fantastic build-up for the Cybermen, only for them to falter in the second part as Moffatt is concerned with other thingsn/not shre how to deal with them. I do think it was an improvement on that story though, last week's episode was certainly incredible.

It was a good episode overall but it possibly fell into the traps of previous Moffatt stories and repeated similar themes, e.g. the Doctor's last adventure protecting a small town (The Time of the Doctor) and Bill exploring the iniverse after dying was similar to Clara's exit. The best bits of the story for me was the Bill/Cyberman trick of how you percieve her change. I liked that they kept switching it up so you never settled on her being Bill or her being a Cyberman.

My other highlight was the Master/Missy dynamic. I don't think John Simm's Master was perhaps utilised as much as I'd hoped but I think Moffatt got that dynamic that they would have if they met themselves perfectly. They way they caused each other's death was brilliant and my favourite scene. Perhaps it was a lowkey way for Missy to go but I do just love the idea that they can't even be allies of themselves. It was good to see the Missy turns good storyline pay off, with her conflicted between her old self (with a physical representation here, meaning Simm had a purpose) and being good, and that turning good was also playing a part in her downfall. I don't expect the character of the Master/Missy to be back for at least a couple of series but hopefully they'll be back in time with a new incarnation. Michelle Gomez has been incredible in the role and I will truly miss her.

I'll really miss Bill too, as I said last week so I won't go over that again. I would have liked to see her stay for another series, I don't think we saw enough of her after the first set of episodes. It was perhaps a nice tie in with Heather returning but, still a bit of a cop out and annoying to see her have the same sort of exit as Clara with her seeing the universe with her own companion.

Nardole was quite pointless in the end too then, no as purposeful as Moffatt has stated! Gave some fun moments but not particularly memorable overall. Bit brutal to still live him on the ship too, was similar to Captain Jack and siggests they don't know what to do with the extra companion!

Interesting to see how the Doctor goes out! Had seen the rumours of David Bradley starring as the first Doctor but it was still a surprise to see him at the end. Really excited to see how another multi-Doctor story plays out seen a suggestion that it could revolve around the First Doctor's regeneration!. David was fantastic as William Hartnell in An Adventure in Space and Time so he should be great as the 'real' thing!

Posted by: Klaus Jul 2 2017, 02:49 PM

Overall, the series has been good but, I do agree that it hasn't fully hit the right highs overall! There's been some great ideas as Dandy said, but they haven't really fully paid off. There's only 'World Enough and Time' where I was like WOW that was amazing! Still has been a really good and consistent series overall and a strong one for Moffat to go out with. It was nice for Capaldi to get his own companion and it gave him a new breath of life. I do think it is the right time for him to leave though.

Look out for a Series 10 rate that I'll open soon!

Posted by: Regina Jul 2 2017, 04:21 PM

Wasn't wowed by the final. sad.gif as with a lot of this series, it was leading up to something that never really happened, at least not in a big way. There was too much introduced. O agree with dandy about the Missy/Master thing being better as a stand alone saga, the CyberBill parts were so well done (the way it dotted between Bill and eher Cyberself was brilliant) although the end did feel very much like the writers ran out of episode so gave a weak conclusion.

Posted by: popchartfreak Jul 3 2017, 11:54 AM

Loved the finale to a good series, I wasn't disappointed (as usual), and all of the references to previous Who was a lovely touch (see the BBC link for the full list) right down to the naming of Bill & Heather. Very looking forward to the xmas episode, as I was there for the very first episode (age 5) and I loved the grumpy ol' first Doctor. Two grumps together should be very entertaining laugh.gif

Posted by: JosephStyles Jul 8 2017, 06:28 PM

11 years today since Doomsday aired! mellow.gif

Posted by: Regina Jul 8 2017, 06:59 PM

No it wasn't Joseph, don't lie to me like this.

Posted by: HarryEzra Jul 8 2017, 07:10 PM

That is insane mellow.gif

Posted by: JosephStyles Jul 8 2017, 07:13 PM

QUOTE(Regina @ Jul 8 2017, 07:59 PM) *
No it wasn't Joseph, don't lie to me like this.

I wish I was lying! cry.gif

Even Billie is feeling it:

Doctor Who Official @bbcdoctorwho 8h8 hours ago
11 years ago today, the Doctor burnt up a sun just to say goodbye to Rose in Doomsday 😭

Billie Piper @billiepiper 8h8 hours ago
Replying to @bbcdoctorwho
Oh the feels 😩 xx

Posted by: Regina Jul 8 2017, 07:14 PM

Rose forever denied doing the walk of life with him sad.gif

Posted by: MoistSummerFruit Jul 8 2017, 07:45 PM

Amaaziing.

Obviously the first part was better, but still.

Killing off the Master for good was a bit shet. Would the Master REAAALLY commit suicide? Force a change, yes, but suicide??

Excellent ending for Bill.

Posted by: JosephStyles Jul 8 2017, 07:47 PM

I'd be very shocked if the Master was gone for good now! He/she's avoided death so much in the past, Missy will surely regenerate off-screen and return with a new actor in a few years!

Posted by: MoistSummerFruit Jul 8 2017, 07:49 PM

How?

Her eyes went blank and she got such a large ummmm
... sonic screwdriver :/ :/ ... blast that she could not regenerate.

Posted by: JosephStyles Jul 8 2017, 07:50 PM

Remember Simm's Master was cremated and still returned! laugh.gif

Posted by: MoistSummerFruit Jul 8 2017, 07:53 PM

Lmaooo howwww?? laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: MoistSummerFruit Jul 8 2017, 07:53 PM

Joseph, I have a proposition of Doc Who relations for ye. Pm me later x

Posted by: JosephStyles Jul 8 2017, 07:55 PM

QUOTE(MoistSummerFruit @ Jul 8 2017, 08:53 PM) *
Lmaooo howwww?? laugh.gif laugh.gif

Because of a ring he was wearing and some cult that followed Saxon :')

QUOTE(MoistSummerFruit @ Jul 8 2017, 08:53 PM) *
Joseph, I have a proposition of Doc Who relations for ye. Pm me later x

ohmy.gif will do x

Posted by: Klaus Jul 8 2017, 08:01 PM

The Master always finds himself in places of no return (both classic and nuWho) but magically reappears, its just a fact of the series now kink.gif

QUOTE(MoistSummerFruit @ Jul 8 2017, 08:53 PM) *
Joseph, I have a proposition of Doc Who relations for ye. Pm me later x

omg the snubbage cry.gif

Posted by: MoistSummerFruit Jul 8 2017, 08:03 PM

Klers, pm me too x

Posted by: JosephStyles Jul 8 2017, 08:09 PM

Klaus being the Rose in the Subwave network to my Sarah Jane x

Posted by: Klaus Jul 8 2017, 10:03 PM

At least we're both iconic x

QUOTE(MoistSummerFruit @ Jul 8 2017, 09:03 PM) *
Klers, pm me too x

Your inbox is full!!

Posted by: Suedehead2 Jul 8 2017, 10:25 PM

QUOTE(MoistSummerFruit @ Jul 8 2017, 08:49 PM) *
How?

Her eyes went blank and she got such a large ummmm
... sonic screwdriver :/ :/ ... blast that she could not regenerate.

It's not real

Posted by: Klaus Jul 11 2017, 12:08 PM

Peter Capaldi has wrapped filming for the Christmas special aka his last episode but there's still no announcement of the next Doctor even though you would presume Peter & 13 would need to film on the same day like they have in the past.

Everything has been very quiet in regards to 13, the media rumour mill has certainly been less quiet than usual. There's still no announcement over when the next series will begin filming/air. All very mysterio thinking.gif

I would still love to see the reveal of who is 13 when the regeneration airs but I know that's not possible if they are filming before Christmas!

Posted by: MoistSummerFruit Jul 11 2017, 12:16 PM

Unless they axed it!!!

Posted by: Klaus Jul 11 2017, 12:32 PM

Having a new producer is a funny way of axing it!

Posted by: Suedehead2 Jul 11 2017, 08:27 PM

Keeping the identity of the new Doctor secret until Christmas would be great although ti wouldn't work very well if they go for a little-known actor.

Posted by: Dexton Jul 13 2017, 11:19 AM

QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jul 12 2017, 04:27 AM) *
Keeping the identity of the new Doctor secret until Christmas would be great although ti wouldn't work very well if they go for a little-known actor.


I agree. I think they should release/leak the new Doctors identity about a month or so before the Christmas episode. To build hype around the Christmas Special and also for the new Doctor. If they released info about the new one now, it'd be old news by December and would have lost quite a bit of momentum.

Posted by: Shaphne Jul 13 2017, 11:30 AM

Surely NOT revealing anything would build more hype?

Posted by: JosephStyles Jul 13 2017, 04:11 PM

Apparently series 11 filming begins in November so it'd be very difficult to conceal 13's identity until Christmas if so! Even then, I think we'll probably find out a short while before November, I assume they won't risk a potential leak?

Posted by: Klaus Jul 13 2017, 04:22 PM

Oh that means we'll be getting the next series in Autumn 2018 sad.gif

Posted by: JosephStyles Jul 13 2017, 04:23 PM

Indeed sad.gif I wish they'd actually get back to a consistent schedule, I'm fed up of it being shifted all over the shop drama.gif

Posted by: MoistSummerFruit Jul 13 2017, 04:43 PM

QUOTE(Shaphne @ Jul 13 2017, 11:30 AM) *
Surely NOT revealing anything would build more hype?


Exactly!!

Posted by: JosephStyles Jul 23 2017, 09:32 PM



Title confirmed as Twice Upon A Time.

BILL!!

Posted by: MoistSummerFruit Jul 23 2017, 09:37 PM

OMG!!!

But I knew Spoiler was back as the fansites had taken and shared photos of her filming the Xmas episode, bt assumed it was a Dickens three ghosts type thing.

Posted by: Cherry. Jul 23 2017, 09:45 PM

I SCREAMED

Posted by: 13 Beaches Jul 23 2017, 09:50 PM

SO EXCITED!!!

Posted by: JosephStyles Jul 23 2017, 09:58 PM

Polly, companion of the First & Second Doctors features briefly in that trailer too ohmy.gif

Posted by: MoistSummerFruit Jul 23 2017, 10:04 PM

I noticed that too, Luis ohmy.gif

Posted by: JosephStyles Jul 23 2017, 10:07 PM

Pearl has confirmed at San Diego ComicCon that Christmas will be her final episode and she isn't returning next year. I expected it but it's a shame nonetheless!

Posted by: MoistSummerFruit Jul 23 2017, 10:10 PM

Bet that was the producer's decision tbh ohmy.gif

Not like se is a household name with other acting gigs lined up sad.gif

Posted by: Chez Wombat Jul 23 2017, 10:13 PM

I liked Bill, but she had a pretty solid conclusion (at least so far ;o) that would sound silly if they reversed it and they need a new companion to go with the revamp so I'm glad she's not sticking around in this case.

Posted by: Klaus Jul 23 2017, 10:28 PM

That trailer!!! SO SO SO happy Bill is back!!. I think the episode might be set during The First Doctor's last story, where his actual regeneration is one of the missing episodes. Excitement has increased immensely, going to be a fan boys dream. laugh.gif

Only thing is that Mark Gatiss can go do one.

Posted by: සුනු# Jul 24 2017, 12:03 AM

Looks like a smasher of a special this year w00t.gif They do like to constantly bring back actors to play different characters though. From an in universe point of view it gets annoying plot hole speaking. But it's great to see Bill again even if it's not for a whole series.

Posted by: Mark. Aug 16 2017, 01:43 PM

Short compilation of adverts starring Dr Who actors


Posted by: lewistgreen Aug 23 2017, 11:43 PM

According to Doctor Who Magazine, Jared Garfield (Nathan Nightingale in Hollyoaks) has been cast to play Ben Jackson and Lily Travers (Kingsmen) will play Polly as the First Doctor's companions in the upcoming Christmas special. The characters previously appeared between 1966 and 1967 as a companion to both the First and Second Doctor.

Posted by: popchartfreak Aug 27 2017, 07:44 PM

ooh, love the sound of that, I loved Ben and Polly as companions back in the day, that would be great to have them back as characters, given that so many of those episodes have been lost.

I met Wendy Padbury today, the precocious Zoe, and companion with the fab laddy Jamie (Frazier Hines), to Troughton's Doctor (my fave trio). She was marvellous, and throughly enjoyed all the Q&A talks with her and also a trio of recent cast members. I'd love Jamie & Zoe to come back - as older versions with Wendy & Frasier.

There was much chat about the new Doctor of course, though purists may insist she's actually the second woman to play the Doctor, so why all the fuss.... laugh.gif


Posted by: Brett-Butler Aug 27 2017, 10:05 PM

I loved that Doctor Who spoof when it aired during Comic Relief. Rowan Atkinson was rather great in it as well - he would have made a fine official Doctor in the revamped series, albeit it's never going to happen now.

Posted by: lewistgreen Nov 18 2017, 01:20 PM


Posted by: Klaus Nov 30 2017, 12:08 PM

new image for Christmas:



It is also provisionally confirmed for it's latest usual slot of 5:30 on Christmas Day! BBC One consists of the same formula of The Queen-Family Film-Julia Donaldson cartoon-Doctor Who-Strictly-Call the Midwife-Eastenders-Mrs Browns Boys laugh.gif

It would have been nice to maybe have been on a bit later considering it is the end of an era in more ways than one but they have a formula to stick to and its great that its still got a place on Christmas Day after all these years!!

Posted by: Rudolph Dec 25 2017, 06:36 PM

That has to be the best Christmas special ever, it was brilliantly done, loved it from start to finish. The first few minutes of the original blended well, David Bradley was brilliant and a fitting end to Peter Capaldi.

I can't wait for the new series to start, I think Jodie Whittaker will make her own stamp on it. Bring it on.

10/10

Posted by: Nadolig Llawen! Dec 25 2017, 06:43 PM

I enjoyed it, especially David Bradley, but they didn’t have enough material for an hour which is why Peter Capaldi’s monologue was unnecessarily long at the end.

Posted by: Candlelit Snow Dec 25 2017, 06:56 PM

QUOTE(Nadolig Llawen! @ Dec 25 2017, 06:43 PM) *
I enjoyed it, especially David Bradley, but they didn’t have enough material for an hour which is why Peter Capaldi’s monologue was unnecessarily long at the end.


45 mins would have been better as it dragged at times.

The female doctor touched ONE button and destroyed the whole thing laugh.gif Was the Tardis rejecting her?

And Bill - sooo she is still alive somewhere as a spaceship, but never to be seen again, hence the icon?

Posted by: ChristmasTreeCow Dec 25 2017, 07:16 PM

This was great, but it really did drag on

Posted by: Brett-Butler Dec 25 2017, 09:12 PM

David Bradley was great as the 1st Doctor, but there wasn't a real conflict in this episode, although as it was a Christmas episode I can somewhat understand it.

From the closing moments of this episode, they seem to be suggesting that Jodie Doctor is likely to be separated from the TARDIS and stuck on earth for a period of time, a la several of Jon Pertwee's serials in the 70s, which definitely will mean a new approach in the NuWho era.

Posted by: Winter Wombatland Dec 25 2017, 11:26 PM

I enjoyed that, the so called 'threat' was very underdeveloped and there didn't really seem to be a point of it (the Dalek especially seemed completely pointless unless I'm missing something?) apart from to convince the Doctor to carry on but it certainly had a lot of moving scenes and for a Christmas episode that's definitely up there with the best of recent years given their usual standard! LOVED David Bradley, I wish him and Capaldi had met earlier as they were brilliant (the Doctor rebutting the sexist remarks were quite cleverly foreshadowing in the end as well).

Does look like the New Doctor's gonna be TARDIS-less for at least the first episode for the new series, suppose it will be interesting to see how she copes without it.


Posted by: JosephCarey Dec 26 2017, 01:19 AM

I enjoyed it too! On a plot level, it was pretty disposable and served little purpose beyond being an excuse for Bill, Clara and Nardole to show up, but I thoroughly enjoyed their scenes. Pearl was once again fantastic as Bill, I liked the twist about her being part of the Testament but not remotely posing a threat. David Bradley was superb as the First Doctor, he and Capaldi bounced off each other so beautifully.

Whilst Capaldi is probably my least favourite of the modern Doctors, I've still thoroughly enjoyed him in the role (particularly in series 10 where he seemed to find exactly what type of Doctor he wanted to play) and he seems like one of the loveliest men on the planet. Now bring on Jodie, her first scene looked very intriguing although it's hard to make any kind of judgement on the Thirteenth Doctor yet of course!

Posted by: lewistgreen Dec 26 2017, 01:12 PM

Excellent episode! So good to see Clara, Nardole and of course Bill. Was also good to see the plot not be about an imminent threat but rather a system of trying to correct something that had gone wrong. Loved the end scene with the TARDIS as well!

Posted by: Suedehead2 Dec 27 2017, 10:12 PM

I spent yesterday with most of my family, including my 13-year-old massive Dr Who fan nephew. Back in the summer - just before the announcement - he was adamant that he wouldn't watch the programme if a woman was cast in the role of the Doctor. In the autumn he insisted that he wouldn't watch it while Jodie Whittaker was in it. By yesterday he was wavering. He seemed to accept my view that 13's only line and the way she was thrown out of the Tardis was a bit of a dig at her opponents. The tide is turning!

Posted by: Klampus Dec 28 2017, 10:51 AM

It was an odd Christmas special, it felt the result of a necessary requirement at needing a Christmas special. I know the episode was focusing on the themes of death, memories, letting go etc but it just felt a bit...meandering? It was nice to see the First Doctor and it was great to have Bill back, with a satisfying explanation for her return (although where does this leave her explanation of what she is now she's with Heather, is she some weird spirit??). I also loved the transitions from/into the 1960s episode, and that it said 709 episodes earlier AND that it showed the regeneration into Patrick Troughton! It was also nice to see him have the memories of Clara return, I was thinking that it sort of undermines that conclusion but then he's changing into a different person so maybe won't have the same attachment?? I dunno... ALSO, Rusty's return! It may not be a classic character/episode but it was nice to have that throwback to his second episode.

It was a nice watch I guess but definitely felt like filler, as they fill the necessary gap between Series 10 & 11 and the transition from Moffatt to Chibnall. Jodie's scene was maybe too similar to Matt's first scene and I'm not sure how I'd feel about them going down the route Brett has suggested they might be doing! I want more modern day Earth stories but you also need the glimpses of other place and other time periods!. We'll see how this new era goes, it definitely feels like it will bring the biggest changes yet...

Posted by: DalekTurret32 Jan 17 2018, 09:48 PM

I saw Twice Upon A Time on iPlayer last week. I enjoyed it.

My scorecard for Series 10:

Pilot [BRILLIANT]
Smile [GREAT]
Thin Ice [GREAT]
Knock Knock [OUTSTANDING]
Oxygen [OUTSTANDING]
Extremis [ [GOLD] ]
The Pyramid At The End Of The World [BRILLIANT]
The Lie Of The Land [OUTSTANDING]
The Empress Of Mars [DIVINE]
The Eaters Of Light [GOOD] (-)
World Enough And Time [ [GOLD] ]
The Doctor Falls [OUTSTANDING]
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Twice Upon A Time [BRILLIANT]


BRILLIANT series (93%)

Top 5:

5. Knock Knock
4. The Doctor Falls
3. The Lie Of The Land
2. Extremis
1. World Enough And Time

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