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post Jan 2 2019, 10:18 AM
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I hope Brett-Butler doesn't mind me opening a new thread for this for 2019? unsure.gif

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The *real* reason the EU is so desperate to keep us in? rolleyes.gif

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-65...eal-Brexit.html

Europeans will have to fork out billions more to fund the EU Budget if there is a No Deal Brexit and Britain does not pay £39billion divorce bill, the bloc's finance chief warns

Gunther Oettinger said remaining member states will face extra big EU bills
The EU's Budget Commissioner said in Germany this could be 500,000 euros
Brexiteers have urged PM not to pay the £39bn divorce bill until trade deal done


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post Jan 2 2019, 11:33 AM
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I’m not sure how Germany, one of the worlds largest economies, will be able to find €0,5m. That’s such a substantial sum of money. Merkel must be locked in a war bunker somewhere with the finance ministry working out where to find such a substantial quantity of money drama.gif
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post Jan 2 2019, 12:59 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 2 2019, 10:18 AM) *
I hope Brett-Butler doesn't mind me opening a new thread for this for 2019? unsure.gif

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The *real* reason the EU is so desperate to keep us in? rolleyes.gif

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-65...eal-Brexit.html

Europeans will have to fork out billions more to fund the EU Budget if there is a No Deal Brexit and Britain does not pay £39billion divorce bill, the bloc's finance chief warns

Gunther Oettinger said remaining member states will face extra big EU bills
The EU's Budget Commissioner said in Germany this could be 500,000 euros
Brexiteers have urged PM not to pay the £39bn divorce bill until trade deal done


Errr they'll get in back in huge taxes on stuff we export if there's no deal.

If we refuse to honour our debts, there will be no more cheap credit for the country as a bad risk. Given we borrow shotloads each year that would be a case of own-goal.

If the EU does have to cover the 39b proportionately it would work out about the same as the amounts spent on hair care products in a couple of years, so yes, that'll break the EU and make them do exactly what we want them to do, as promised by Brexiteers for the last 3 years.

Brexiteers havent urged anything re payments on the deal agreed, it's in the agreement what and when will happen - and if there's no agreement then it's a pointless statement. duhhhhhh! Must be Grayling, Davies, Johnson or Rees-Mogg, I'd hazard a guess, those intellectual giants of our age, men with the ability to see data and instantly read into it whatever they want to see. A bit like looking into the fire in Games Of Thrones using the blood of a Royal enemy, to see into the future, and demolish your enemies using dark forces. Except that Game Of Thrones is a bit less fantastical.

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post Jan 2 2019, 03:15 PM
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QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ Jan 2 2019, 12:59 PM) *
Errr they'll get in back in huge taxes on stuff we export if there's no deal.

If we refuse to honour our debts, there will be no more cheap credit for the country as a bad risk. Given we borrow shotloads each year that would be a case of own-goal.


!. No they won't, because we will respond with tariffs ourselves.

2. Before they can claim debts, they have to prove that we owe them - and that has been a problem in a lot of cases, hence the disputed figure...


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post Jan 2 2019, 03:25 PM
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Uk: 60 million
EU: 500 million

Ummm which has the power, which has the power, which heahfjdh powhajah...

That utterly useless Etonian Tory toff who didn't know he country is an island has seemingly now forgotten we have no empirw/ are a small island of 60 million/ with a heavily declining economy. He wants to build a network of military bases around the world, using Brexit as an excuse laugh.gif

A few things:

1. With what money? I assume they want this rather than an NHS?
2. With what equipment? How much will these extra ships and planes cost?
3. WHY? Just ... WHY? There is no empire.
4. Manned how exactly? Tories decimated military spending and cut the numbers to the lowest levels EVER. We have a force of 70k - basically a single Russian vanguard. How will these bases be manned? Conscription of the poor?

Braindead Eton toff living in the 1930s. How quaint.
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post Jan 2 2019, 04:52 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 2 2019, 03:15 PM) *
!. No they won't, because we will respond with tariffs ourselves.

2. Before they can claim debts, they have to prove that we owe them - and that has been a problem in a lot of cases, hence the disputed figure...

If, as so many Quitters seem to want, we revert to WTO rules (rules that are so fantastic that not a single country thinks it is a good idea to rely on them), that means hefty tariffs. They are the rules. Rules, of course, imposed by a group of foreigners with not a single elected representative.
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post Jan 2 2019, 08:32 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 2 2019, 03:15 PM) *
!. No they won't, because we will respond with tariffs ourselves.

2. Before they can claim debts, they have to prove that we owe them - and that has been a problem in a lot of cases, hence the disputed figure...


1. see Suedey reply

2. Not disputed. Agreed. Brexiteers did the agreeing, before doing a runner one by one from the deals they agreed.
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post Jan 2 2019, 08:55 PM
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DUP met with Tory Chief Whip today for the 2nd time in 2 weeks. Tories are promising a legally binding addendum to the Withdrawal Agreement that would allow UK exit from the backstop if it ceases, in effect, to be temporary. DUP (several with legal backgrounds) would accept this.


It looks like the deal may get through after all..
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post Jan 3 2019, 06:49 AM
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On a separate note, despite what many of you may think, I would prefer a deal, to no deal - just not the deal currently on the table, which IMO makes too many compromises on issues that led me to vote for Brexit in the first place.
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post Jan 3 2019, 10:17 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 3 2019, 06:49 AM) *
On a separate note, despite what many of you may think, I would prefer a deal, to no deal - just not the deal currently on the table, which IMO makes too many compromises on issues that led me to vote for Brexit in the first place.

What did you expect? On the one side we have a bloc representing over 400 million people, including three of the biggest economies in the world. On the other side, we have a single country of 60+ million people. Did you really believe the lies that we would hold all the cards?
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post Jan 3 2019, 03:11 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jan 3 2019, 10:17 AM) *
What did you expect? On the one side we have a bloc representing over 400 million people, including three of the biggest economies in the world. On the other side, we have a single country of 60+ million people. Did you really believe the lies that we would hold all the cards?


No.
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post Jan 3 2019, 04:32 PM
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Mad May wants to delay the vote AGAIN. Probably by another month. She knows she goes he day after it, so she wants a no Brexit instead just to keep her grubby little fingers in power. Disgusting. This is NOT democracy! She has a deal. No matter how bad it is, it is there in parliament. Time for parliament to vote on it!
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post Jan 4 2019, 06:34 AM
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QUOTE(Auld Lang Peen @ Jan 3 2019, 04:32 PM) *
Mad May wants to delay the vote AGAIN. Probably by another month. She knows she goes he day after it


How do you figure *that*, given she has already won a no-confidence vote in her, and therefore can't face another challenge to her position for a year? unsure.gif


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post Jan 4 2019, 07:03 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 4 2019, 06:34 AM) *
How do you figure *that*, given she has already won a no-confidence vote in her, and therefore can't face another challenge to her position for a year? unsure.gif


*can't face one from the Tories. Opposition still has TWO. Instant VONC in her the day after, she goes, or instant VONC in the govt, it collapses. Tories are terrified as their media wide Nazi campaign against Corbyn is not working. They are rushing to Downing Street events to 'savour it' while it lasts xD My god they are obsessed with power.

But on no. If she is sooo secure ... why not call the vote?
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post Jan 4 2019, 07:12 AM
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*can't face one from the Tories. Opposition still has TWO. Instant VONC in her the day after, she goes, or instant VONC in the govt, it collapses.


Merely *calling* a no-confidence vote will not have those effects - and there is the little matter of the opposition having to actually *win* it - and they simply don't have the numbers to do so.
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post Jan 4 2019, 02:28 PM
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Oh reaaaaally Mr Tory?

33% of the Tories voted against her. See her slink away when Labour called it? See her REFUSE TO TABLE IT LIKE A DICTATORSHIP? Labour has an opposition day the day after the vote is meant to take place where it can table what it wants. Those same Tory mps HAVE TO VOTE AGAINST MAD MAY OR RAISE EXTREEEMELY UNCOMFORTABLE QUESTIONS ABOUT PUTTING PARTY OVER COUNTRY. If Dickensian Smogg etc think she is good enough for the country but not the party, they actively show disdain for the people.

When the deal fails, so does the government. It collapses.
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post Jan 4 2019, 03:00 PM
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Oh reaaaaally Mr Tory?

33% of the Tories voted against her. See her slink away when Labour called it? See her REFUSE TO TABLE IT LIKE A DICTATORSHIP? Labour has an opposition day the day after the vote is meant to take place where it can table what it wants. Those same Tory mps HAVE TO VOTE AGAINST MAD MAY OR RAISE EXTREEEMELY UNCOMFORTABLE QUESTIONS ABOUT PUTTING PARTY OVER COUNTRY. If Dickensian Smogg etc think she is good enough for the country but not the party, they actively show disdain for the people.

When the deal fails, so does the government. It collapses.


Wrong! The gov't is not *all* about Brexit.

You accuse me of wanting Brexit at all costs, and to hell with the consequences - can't you see this is exactly what you are advocating iro removing the Tory government?


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I’m curious (although despairing) to have a sensible view here from any Leavers. What can you possibly think is acceptable about the impact on your daily life of a no deal brexit? Cards on the table, no higher impacts to the economy, just on your day to day life?

Do any of you leavers really think it is all ‘project fear’?
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post Jan 4 2019, 03:54 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 4 2019, 03:00 PM) *
Wrong! The gov't is not *all* about Brexit.

You accuse me of wanting Brexit at all costs, and to hell with the consequences - can't you see this is exactly what you are advocating iro removing the Tory government?


That is sidestepping the question. The fact is the government is doomed.
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post Jan 4 2019, 04:38 PM
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QUOTE(Auld Lang Peen @ Jan 4 2019, 03:54 PM) *
That is sidestepping the question. The fact is the government is doomed.


That may be true - but I don't believe their demise will be forced prematurely.
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