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Posted by: danG Sep 7 2016, 06:48 PM

If we were to say reload the rest of the Buzzjack Song Contests now, which songs do you think would win their respective contests?

Here's what won the first eight Re:Loaded's.

01 Delta Goodrem - Believe Again
02 The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony
03 The Veronicas - Hook Me Up
04 The Pipettes - Pull Shapes
05 M.I.A - Paper Planes
06 Imogen Heap - Hide and Seek
07 Lady GaGa - Just Dance
08 Kate Bush - This Woman's Work

-x-

My predictions/guesses (in the contest where I don't know much of the songs I've just gone for the winner or the obvious commercial hit):

09 Margaret Berger - Will You Remember Me Tomorrow? {I think this'd still win, even against Pink 'So What'}
10 Lady GaGa - Paparazzi
11 Ladytron - Destroy Everything You Touch
12 La Roux - Quicksand
13 Agnes - Release Me
14 The Veronicas - Untouched
15 Royksopp & Robyn - The Girl And The Robot
16 La Roux - Bulletproof
17 Chicane - Poppiholla {this is probably just the personal opinion talking here, I don't actually have a clue (the contest's actual winner doesn't sound like it'd win again)}
18 Ke$ha - Dolla (aka Tik Tok)
19 Mini Viva - Left My Heart In Tokyo
20 Alphabeat - The Spell
21 3OH!3 feat Katy Perry - Starstrukk
22 Vanessa Carlton - A Thousand Miles
23 Marina and the Diamonds - Hollywood
24 Delphic - Halcyon
25 Edward Maya feat. Vika Jigulina - Stereo Love
26 Stromae - Alors On Danse
27 Eminem feat Rihanna - Love the Way You Lie
28 Sky Ferreira - One
29 Zoe Badwi - Freefallin
30 Adele - Someone Like You (Live)
31 Sheelah - The Last Time
32 Lykke Li - Sadness Is A Blessing
33 Alexandra Stan - Mr. Saxobeat
34 Radio Killer - Lonely Heart
35 Capital Cities - Safe and Sound
36 Lana Del Rey - Video Games
37 Gotye feat. Kimbra - Somebody That I Used To Know
38 Loreen - Sober
39 Azealia Banks - 212
40 AlunaGeorge - You Know You Like It
41 Carly Rae Jepsen - Call Me Maybe {could be quite close between that and Foxes though}
42 Laleh - Some Die Young
43 iamamiwhoami - play
44 Purity Ring - Obedear
45 Woodkid - Run Boy Run
46 Charli XCX - You're the One
47 CHVRCHES - Lies
48 Unicorn Kid - Need U
49 CHVRCHES - The Mother We Share
50 Delta Goodrem - Hunters and the Wolves
51 Krewella - Alive
52 Zara Larsson - Uncover
53 Carli - Look Up
54 Postiljonen - Supreme
55 Chordashian - Cold Nights
56 Lucas Nord feat. Tove Lo - Run On Love
57 Martin Garrix - Animals
58 Vaults - Cry No More
59 Hozier - Take Me To Church
60 Aphex Twin - Windowlicker
61 Indila - Derniere Danse
62 Toyboy & Robin - Jaded
63 Peking Duk feat. Nicole Millar - High
64 RAM & Susana - RAMelia (Tribute To Amelia)
65 Alex Adair - Make Me Feel Better
66 Lindsey Stirling feat. Lzzy Hale - Shatter Me
67 Vanic x Machineheart - Circles
68 Karen Harding - Say Something
69 Blonde feat. Melissa Steel - I Loved You
70 Walk The Moon - Shut Up and Dance
71 Christine & The Queens - Christine
72 PVRIS - St. Patrick
73 Paulini - Air It All Out (7th Heaven Radio Edit)
74 A-WA - Habib Galbi
75 Meg Myers - Sorry
76 Sigala - Easy Love
77 Five Knives - Savages
78 Rationale - Fuel To The Fire
79 Truls - Circles
80 Caravan Palace - Lone Digger
81 Allie X - Sanctuary
82 Era Istrefi - Bonbon

with 83-88 being too recent to really know.

Posted by: SevenSeize Sep 7 2016, 07:13 PM

Guess i'll just go through the more recent ones-

12
41 Carly Rae Jepsen - Call Me Maybe
42 Karmin - Brokenhearted
43 idk...Lindsey Stirling?
44 Purity Ring - Obedear
45 Icona Pop - I Love It
46 Charli XCX - You're the One
47 CHVRCHES - Lies
48 Unicorn Kid - Need U
49 CHVRCHES - The Mother We Share
50 Delta Goodrem - Hunters and the Wolves

13
51 Kate Boy - Northern Lights / Krewella - Alive
52 Zara Larsson - Uncover
53 Carli - Look Up
54 Nikki Williams - Glowing
55 Chordashian - Cold Nights
56 Lucas Nord feat. Tove Lo - Run On Love
57 Martin Garrix - Animals
58 Alida - Some Of Us
59 Klingande - Jubel
60 I haven't a clue lol, maybe Windowlicker

14
61 Indila - Derniere Danse
62 Toyboy & Robin - Jaded / Indiana - Solo Dancing
63 Peking Duk feat. Nicole Millar - High
64 RAM & Susana - RAMelia (Tribute To Amelia)
65 Sophia Del Carmen - Lipstick
66 Lindsey Stirling feat. Lzzy Hale - Shatter Me
67 Vanic x Machineheart - Circles
68 Karen Harding - Say Something
69 Blonde feat. Melissa Steel - I Loved You
70 Walk The Moon - Shut Up and Dance

15
71 Galantis - Runaway (U & I) / Christine & The Queens - Christine
72 PVRIS - St. Patrick
73 Paulini - Air It All Out (7th Heaven Radio Edit)
74 A-WA - Habib Galbi
75 Meg Myers - Sorry
76 Sigala - Easy Love / Sandra Lyng - Play My Drum
77 Five Knives - Savages
78 Rationale - Fuel To The Fire
79 Shaun Frank & KSHMR - Heaven
80 Delta Heavy - Ghost

81 Allie X - Sanctuary
82 Era Istrefi - Bonbon
etc.

All i can say is (for the most part), thank god for reality! Especially re: the 2013 bunch

Posted by: *Tim Sep 7 2016, 07:30 PM

Bon bon and Animals were robbed x

Posted by: RobBob Sep 7 2016, 10:44 PM

GAH, if only these results were true, I'd have had many more winners

Posted by: Iz~ Sep 7 2016, 11:10 PM

I really would like to think better of us than to go for the 'obvious commercial hit', that doesn't look like a winner improvement list in the slightest. Honestly you have to consider that plenty of people don't like pop hits, some of them in early BJSC are hardly the best... and loads of the underground hits are actually great songs, which is why the Reloaded thing started in the first place. I'm always anti-cheap stuff winning these because that was never the point of rerunning them and honestly seeing them do well each time, it is kind of killing the Reloadeds for me. You can say they'd win if the contest was re-run under the same rules as normal contests right now and of course they would because they have an advantage in that everyone knows them already but that's... may I say... HARDLY THE POINT.

(if we were starting the reloaded project right now I'd honestly suggest excluding all songs everyone already knows (like top 10 hits) from the runs)

I'll just do up to XX right now because I've realised I've started writing a lot for these, you've triggered me, Dan:

IX - Alizee - Moi.. Lolita (between this and Margaret but I think this'd hit the crossover bases more and Imogen Heap and Kate Bush have proved that that can work)
X - The Knife - Heartbeats (Paparazzi could challenge but it's not the most loved Gaga song, Embrace could come close, I'm mostly disregarding Up because The Sats aren't doing so well on here lately but it could be in the mix, probably more likely than Paparazzi)
XI - Ladytron - Destroy Everything You You Touch
XII - La Roux - Quicksand (but Mowgli's Road will be around there - if I'm right that'd be the first repeat winner!!!!)
XIII - The Sound Of Arrows - MAGIC (yes, Release Me is a monster but its obviousness could work against it? also this looks a very competitive one with Lights and Little Boots et al, it can't be AS simple as Agnes storming it)
XIV - Nightwish - Amaranth (but like srsly can we leave this one, literally the only reason I want it rerun at some point is to get justice for Amaranth, because otherwise it was the PERFECT result with a (rather great) inspired song beating out a dirty horde of lazy songs and a rerun would just ruin that)
XV - Royksopp (but I'd be very interested to see how Jungle Drum does and I don't know many of the big hitters so they could spring a surprise)
XVI - Bulletproof (there is NO good option for this one that I can see so if it happens I'd just hope Blank does as well as possible, if this sounds like I'm a rampant Rontvia stan it's because I am, they were like the only nation that GOT it back then)
XVII - Beautiful Small Machines (yep, I think it would repeat! Mainly because there doesn't look to be any huge competition, and it still sounds good to this day even if it will rely on a tad of retro charm, it's like a proto-Aeroche winner. That Livvi Franc song could be a problem and 3rd and 4th are unknowns to me, this'd be a good one to rerun as there's very limited cheapness for an early contest)
XVIII - Loba (if anything cheap is going to win this it won't be Kesha, actually I'd put Cosmic Love and even Aly & AJ ahead of Tik Tok if ROTD is anything to go by, I can't see any lesser knowns that I know might have a chance but Electric Storm would be one to watch perhaps, isn't that one of Delta's best regarded album tracks, certainly one of my fave Delta songs)
XIX - Stay The Night (that's still loved a LOT and it's definitely Alcazar's most accessible song, and apparently this came 2nd when there was 'eurovision hate' from what I've heard? Mini Viva would put up a fight and maybe Katzenjammer too. Actually Ignorance and Uprising would be among the mix (even though I love them, it'd be because they're cheap) it was surely only BJSC's huge pop bias that saw those DNQ in the first place)
XX - Into The Clouds (I want to say Butterflies or Music Everywhere but they'd probably get comments of 'outdated pop', The Spell is hardly Alphabeat's strongest regarded either, meanwhile, Sound Of Arrows has aged well and like with Magic, it's the sort of pop that very few people around here dislike. There's a few in the top 10 I don't know, maybe that Zechonia song would get more of an audience today)

can someone say one of mine would win now? that'd be nice.

Posted by: The Codemeister Sep 8 2016, 01:07 AM

I'm just gonna list what I think would end up being the top 3 going first/second/third (if we take change of preferences and YBO into account)

41: Carly Rae Jepsen/Foxes/Tone Damni
42: Elen Levon/Laleh/Karmin
43: iamamiwhoami/Dragonette/Lindsey Stirling (with maybe Paulina/Electric Lady Lab with a shot)
44: Purity Ring/everything else is a wild card so pick two
45: Florrie/Icona Pop/Woodkid
46: Isa/Charli XCX/DENA (for personal preference I'd WANT Zedd to storm it but we all know it won't happen with that single, IF YOU HAD ONLY SENT CLARITY DANDY)
47: CHVRCHES/Blood Diamonds/MS MR maybe?
48: Unicorn Kid/Elen Levon/Bridgit Mendler
49: CHVRCHES/Tegan & Sara/Gabrielle Aplin
50: Delta Goodrem/Girls Generation/Imagine Dragons
51: Krewella/Samantha Jade (you KNOW this would have been a 12 from Yehesi)/Kate Boy
52: The top 3 was right then
53: Carli/John De Sohn/Michael Woods
54: Postiljonen/Nikki Williams/Ólafur Arnalds
55: Chordashian/Sharon Doorson/Smallpools
56: Bonnie McKee/Lucas Nord/Ghost Loft
57: Martin Garrix/Jaymes Young/FAUL & Wad Ad vs. PNAU
58: Alida/VAULTS/one of Jon Hopkins or Arlissa
59: Goldroom/Hozier/Klingande
60: Tanika/Aphex Twin/one of Cut Copy or Naomi Pilgrim
61: Indila/Cash Cash/Anna Lunoe
62: Toyboy & Robin/Indiana/Christopher Tin
63: Peking Duk/RuPaul (this was Daddy Says No before Lotti even existed in the BuzzJack mainframe)/Lushington
64: HALSEY/RAM & Susana/Zhu
65: Sophia Del Carmen/Archis/Alex Adair
66: Lindsey Stirling/A. G. Cook/Dami Im
67: Vanic x Machineheart/The Magician/Jay Dabhi (with 3LAU in 4th)
68: Karen Harding/Nothing But Thieves/Michael Woods
69: Blonde/Danny L Harle/TÂLÂ
70: Walk The Moon/Josef Salvat/Billion
71: Galantis/Christine & The Queens/Yellow Claw
72: PVRIS/Dawn Richard/Louane
73: Paulini/SNBRN/BØRNS
74: A-WA/SANNI/one of Against The Current or Courtney Barnett
75: Grace/Meg Myers/Allie X
76: Sigala/Sandra Lyng/Robert DeLong
77: Five Knives/PONIBBI/Alex Metric (because the first two should have gotten more points, thanks Math/Klumzee/team Brade)
78: Rationale/Låpsley/AK & Lynx
79: Truls/Shaun Frank/Avec Sans
80: Owsey, Jernalism & Resotone/Caravan Palace/Delta Heavy
81: Allie X/Imany/Against The Current
82: Era Istrefi/Hilight Tribe/BLVCK CEILING

Posted by: Cucumberella Sep 11 2016, 10:59 AM

44: Purity Ring 'Obedear'
45: Icona Pop 'I Love It'
46: Charli XCX 'You're The One'
47: CHVRCHES 'Lies'
48: Unicorn Kid 'Need U'
49: St. Lucia 'September'
50: Kitten 'G#'
51: Krewella 'Alive'
52: Zara Larsson 'Uncover'
53: Carli 'Look Up'
54: Nikki Williams 'Glowing'
55: Chordashian 'Cold Nights'
56: Lucas Nord / Tove Lo 'Run On Love' [korallreven maybe?]
57: Jaymes Young 'Dark Star (Kiely Rich Remix)'
58: VAULTS 'Cry No More'
59: Goldroom 'Embrace' [depends on the power of Route 94 / Hozier]
60: Cut Copy 'Meet Me In A House Of Love'
61: Indila 'Dernière Danse'
62: Toyboy & Robin 'Jaded' [baba yetu as well]
63: RuPaul 'Sissy That Walk'
64: Halsey 'New Americana'
65: Alex Adair 'Make Me Feel Better'
66: Lindsey Stirling / Lzzy Hale 'Shatter Me'
67: Vanic x Machineheart 'Circles'
68: Karen Harding 'Say Something'
69: Danny L Harle 'Broken Flowers'
70: WALK THE MOON 'Shut Up + Dance'
71: Galantis 'Runaway (U+I)'
72: PVRIS 'St. Patrick'
73: Paulini 'Air It All Out (7th Heaven Radio Edit)'
74: A-WA 'Habib Galbi'
75: Meg Myers 'Sorry'
76: Sigala 'Easy Love'
77: ponibbi 'HEARTSKIP' (well it should've won originally SO)
78: Rationale 'Fuel To The Fire'
79: Shaun Frank and KSHMR 'Heaven (feat. Delaney Jane)'
80: Caravan Palace 'Lone Digger'

Posted by: Froot. Sep 11 2016, 11:10 AM

This thread is just breaking my heart.

Posted by: notfurlong Sep 11 2016, 03:21 PM

Belanger would still win y'all can take a hike

Posted by: Iz~ Sep 11 2016, 03:36 PM

I agree. Maybe some challenge from tyDi, probably its biggest threat, and perhaps FAUL but honestly I think it's one of the more well regarded winners in that decade so I think it'd be fine. Certainly Animals I don't think is universally loved enough to win (and the same for FAUL although lesser) although it'd probably come top 5 now. Dark Star is a tricky one but I honestly think it might flop a bit more now.

Posted by: jakewild Sep 11 2016, 04:14 PM

delta only JUST won don't do this to me

Posted by: jakewild Sep 11 2016, 04:15 PM

can someone pls edit out my edit line

Posted by: Bré Sep 11 2016, 05:51 PM

Breaking YOUR heart? Poor brave Jay Dabhi. (He already won a rematch in TBO and all!)

I think Belanger would still win 57 as well, but Jaymes hopefully still top 3 along with Garrix?

Posted by: jakewild Sep 11 2016, 05:52 PM

LOL this is actually a thing????? THANKSomg

Posted by: Iz~ Sep 11 2016, 05:57 PM

Well, you did ask

Posted by: The Codemeister Sep 11 2016, 07:21 PM

I just womder how many points Jade would give all of Bray's entries

Posted by: The Codemeister Sep 11 2016, 07:24 PM

And i cant believe all this time me or lew winning 77 could have prevented Tampergate from happening

Posted by: *Tim Sep 11 2016, 07:29 PM

Garrix came 2nd in TBO that year, just sayin

Posted by: Qassändra Sep 11 2016, 07:31 PM

all of this


oh OW OW OW

(ok they were and Blänk needs to win but I like to think SOME of us were still representing-ish)

Posted by: Iz~ Sep 11 2016, 07:42 PM

That was always a very close contest so I would not be surprised at a different result on a rerun although probably too soon to say exactly what. But yes, BJSC butterflies are probably everywhere like that although that is one of the bigger ones, we could still have Aquafina participating then. Safe With You was always a bit of an iffy entry anyway, although less so than Sigala...



Oh you were pretty good for the times as far as I can see, and some people did do well at sourcing inspired stuff, I just notice Rontvia as most adept at pulling out hits from places I doubt would have been touched otherwise.

Posted by: danG Sep 11 2016, 07:48 PM

Speaking of Aquafina, does anyone think they'll eventually be allowed back in? It has been a year now (though I am aware they did receive a permaban) They had a run of great entries last year (and yes that includes the ever controversial Important)

Posted by: gooddelta Sep 11 2016, 07:54 PM

Yasssss Iz <3

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On another note these predicted results are, for the most part, not good. Everyone flocking towards the cheapest song in the contest was something that largely died out circa 2010, with the odd exception, and I'd personally absolutely hate if that had just continued through to now, in fact I'm sure the contest would have died a long time ago because nobody would have bothered sending anything inspired.

Sure I had no idea Hozier and Walk The Moon would go on to become hits of any sort, let alone million sellers, but I don't think they'd be any more deserving of winning now that everyone is suddenly familiar with them (and I don't think they would anyway as they've both been played to death and half of Buzzjack are sick of them, if they even liked them in the first place). And that goes for all the other tracks that have gone on to become UK hits, if this is how the Reloadeds are expected to pan out going forwards then it's probably a good time to draw a line under them now (then again, the last one was ages ago now...) or, as Iz says, remove all entries that were/have gone on to become UK hits.

Posted by: Cucumberella Sep 11 2016, 07:58 PM

i do think there are some 'cheap entries' that would go on to do really well and win and others that wouldn't - the ones that WOULD win would be the ones that exceeded expectations at the time of the contest (alex adair and walk the moon were growers in the contest in terms of hype and even the likes of karen harding that were nearly but not quite) so i think would really benefit - i mean if it was just 'the cheapest song in the contest' surely lorde would run away with 53???

Posted by: Cucumberella Sep 11 2016, 08:00 PM

i don't think it's a bad exercise to have the reloadeds because a lot of the songs would benefit from new demographics joining and with this recent alt-pop / rock shift that preceeds the previous heavy dance domination / indie domination we'd see a lot more benefit to those kind of tracks

Posted by: gooddelta Sep 11 2016, 08:11 PM

I agree that they have worth, for sure, but it's always going to be the case that the more familiar hits end up doing better I guess. It's a nice way for people to discover entries they previously missed but it does seem a shame when original inspired winners end up filing in behind the songs that went on to smash, I sort of feel it takes away from their original achievements a little.

The other slightly odd thing that I know really only affects me for the time being (or Ashton/Eledan/Kylienips if they chose to participate) is that in one of the contests I was the only original country voting again, meaning that I can vote for 10 countries who aren't even participating but are not seeing any deductions for that. So my entries are always at an immediate disadvantage; by voting I'm essentially always shooting myself in the foot and I'd actually be better off by not taking part

Posted by: The Codemeister Sep 11 2016, 08:27 PM

Damn so if Ponibbi had won like he should have in 77 Lee would be posting 10 times more than he has this entire year

Posted by: Ryan. Sep 16 2016, 08:35 PM

This was indeed an annoying consequence of the low number of originals voting, we did have discussions as to possibilities to combat it. I came up with a suggestion where for the originals that did vote, we'd work out the average amount of points per voter they got and then got that added again their score to make up for having one less vote.

One example I applied this to was for Land of Jack who voted in Re:LOADED III so received their 63 points from 14 possible voters working out at an average of 4.5 points per voter. Therefore if they had their full set of 15 voters (by adding that average score one extra time to take into account the one less voter), averages would suggest they'd have got 68 points instead of 63 points (rounded up) - giving them the win instead of finishing 2nd behind Mdice who didn't vote.

In the end it felt a bit too complicated and we looked for another solution but nothing quite fitted right at the time.

Regarding the desire to have some more Re:LOADEDs from some of you, the format we were using just wasn't creating enough interest. We could just pick out random contests (more recent ones) but I do think that the interest wouldn't pick up that much. Maybe we could pick out some random contests but have it a lot more casual, perhaps just posting votes publicly amongst a general discussion and then they can just be added up by someone like people do in the predictions threads for normal contests but not being like official reruns and added to the spin-off archive. Suggestions are of course very welcome!

Posted by: The Codemeister Sep 16 2016, 09:06 PM

Even if it did happen I don't think Lee cba to deal with Buzzjack these days let alone BJSC

looks like it was a conscious uncoupling

Posted by: danG Sep 19 2016, 10:13 AM

I think if we skip all the early contests and pick Reloaded back up at say, the start of 2012 (BJSC41) and run it without semi-finals (honestly I think ever since semi-finals were introduced into Reloaded interest has dropped) there may be some more interest.

BJSC41 for example only had 47 songs in it so that could be run as an OBF, or we could just have a casual nominations round for the DNQs and the top 10 get picked to join the original finalists for an OBF (#justiceforDanaelanda41).

Posted by: Iz~ Sep 19 2016, 04:01 PM

I wouldn't say completely skip the earlier ones, but maybe alternate between the eras. But I wouldn't say start as late as 41 either, I'd actually suggest going back a bit to 29 - first contest after the break and the 'last contest ever' of 28 (as a bonus, it'd be the first time XXIX would be run with people knowing who they're voting for). Plenty of recognisable country names among that lot and we start in the middle of the small 1BF era so less songs and no DNQs to bother with. I'd like to see my songs get involved in these but the mission is to get those undiscovered songs out there so skipping the early ones completely doesn't feel right. And starting later from 29 onwards the active participants start to come in much faster.

We could actually just run all of them 1BF if we run a 47-contest one as that, very few of those before 2012 hit 50 or more.

Maybe, if we just go for 9 now as a 1BF (i.e. after instrumentals is done) then a later one after that, it would give us time to properly figure out how to deal with people's votes sabotaging themselves.

Posted by: Pavel Sep 19 2016, 07:51 PM

Perhaps a public voting of some sort to choose the contest we want to revisit could be fair? We will neverrrrr be able to do all of them haha

Posted by: Silas Sep 19 2016, 09:09 PM

Oh come on Pavel, you've been around long enough to know what an utter shitshow public votes in this forum turn out to be.

Permanent hasn't changed meanings this past year has it?


It doesn't matter how 'great' their run of entries were, that has no bearing on things whatsoever.

Posted by: The Codemeister Sep 19 2016, 10:51 PM

Let's consider it Buzzjack's conscious uncoupling with Lee