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Suedehead2 View member profile	30th November 2014, 07:04 PM Post #1
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,673 User: 3,272	Another wait for somebody to get round to posting the albums chart. The commentary is now available from the front page and the latest news box.


Brer View member profile	30th November 2014, 08:20 PM Post #2
is my brain across your walls? Joined: 14 February 2009 Posts: 115,078 User: 8,300	'Let It Go' (of the James Bay variety) didn't miss the chart entirely, it peaked at #62 (and is back in the top 100 for a third week today).


Suedehead2 View member profile	30th November 2014, 08:40 PM Post #3
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,673 User: 3,272	Corrected to say "top forty".


Brer View member profile	30th November 2014, 09:32 PM Post #4
is my brain across your walls? Joined: 14 February 2009 Posts: 115,078 User: 8,300	Oh also the Jools Holland album is #25 not #17 - this is why you don't trust the positions the OCC give in their news report I would have made the same error had I not waited until 7pm to check the full list.


zeus555 View member profile	30th November 2014, 10:01 PM Post #5
BuzzJack Enthusiast Joined: 21 August 2006 Posts: 1,497 User: 1,153	As 'These Days' by Take That is their 12th UK No.1 Single & their 29th No.1 Singles Week, I've up-dated these 2 Lists. NOTES A)... Although both JLS & One Direction have their own separate credits on the 2011 X Factor Finalists No.1, ('Wishing On A Star'), The OCC do not count it as a 6th No.1 for JLS & a 4th No.1 for One Direction. I have decided to follow the same 'Rule'. B)... The SHADOWS -- They would be 3rd= in List 1 if their 7 No.1 Singles with Cliff Richard were to be added to their 5 No.1 Singles as The Shadows. But The OCC told me a few Years ago that they do not combine their Hits with Cliff Richard with those of The Shadows. So I've followed their 'Rule'. C)... Which is why The Shadows are 11th= in List 2. If their 28 No.1 Weeks with Cliff Richard, were added to their 16 No.1 Weeks as The Shadows, they would be 2nd in List 2 -- with 44 No.1 Weeks. GROUPS WITH 6 - OR MORE UK NUMBER 1 SINGLES (W/E 15th November 1952 to W/E 6th December 2014) 1)... BEATLES - 17 - (1 with Billy Preston) 2)... WESTLIFE - 14 - (1 with Mariah Carey) 3)... TAKE THAT - 12 - (1 with Lulu) 4)=ABBA - 9 4)=SPICE GIRLS - 9 6)=ROLLING STONES - 8 6)=OASIS - 8 8)=U2 - 7 - (1 as LMC Vs. U2) 8)=McFLY - 7 10)=QUEEN - 6 - (1 with David Bowie, 1 with George Michael & Lisa Stansfield, 1 with Five) 10)=SLADE - 6 10)=BLONDIE - 6 10)=SUGABABES - 6 - (1 with Girls Aloud) 10)=BOYZONE - 6 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ GROUPS & DUOS WITH 16 - OR MORE - SINGLES WEEKS AT NUMBER 1 (W/E 15th November 1952 to W/E 6th December 2014) (Their Total No.1's in Brackets) 1)... BEATLES - 69 - (6 Weeks with Billy Preston) - (1 No.1 with Billy Preston) - (17) 2)... ABBA - 31 - (9) 3)... TAKE THAT - 29 - (2 Weeks with Lulu) - (1 No.1 with Lulu) - (12) 4)... WET WET WET - 23 - (3) 5)... SPICE GIRLS - 22 - (9) 6)... QUEEN - 21 - (1 No.1 (2 Weeks), with David Bowie, 1 No.1, (3W), with George Michael & Lisa Stansfield, 1 No.1, (1W), with Five) - (6) 7)=SLADE - 20 - (6) 7)=WESTLIFE - 20 - (2 Weeks with Mariah Carey) - (1 No.1 with Mariah Carey) - (14) 9)... EVERLY BROTHERS - 19 - (4) 10) ROLLING STONES - 18 - (8) 11)=SHADOWS - 16 - (5) 11)=T. REX - 16 - (4) 11)=JOHN TRAVOLTA & OLIVIA NEWTON-JOHN - 16 - (2) This post has been edited by zeus555: 1st December 2014, 09:49 AM


Brer View member profile	30th November 2014, 10:04 PM Post #6
is my brain across your walls? Joined: 14 February 2009 Posts: 115,078 User: 8,300	JLS also have 6 #1 singles ('Beat Again', 'Everybody In Love', 'The Club Is Alive', 'Love You More', 'She Makes Me Wanna' and 'Wishing On A Star'). They also reached #1 as part of The X Factor Finalists 2008 and Helping Haiti so at a stretch they can claim 8 #1s, but they were individually credited on 'Wishing On A Star' as well as their 5 #1s as the main act so should definitely be on that list.


Suedehead2 View member profile	30th November 2014, 10:17 PM Post #7
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,673 User: 3,272	QUOTE(BrasselsSprouts @ Nov 30 2014, 09:32 PM) Oh also the Jools Holland album is #25 not #17 - this is why you don't trust the positions the OCC give in their news report I would have made the same error had I not waited until 7pm to check the full list. Oh dear I'd waited to see whether War Of The Worlds had made it as they don't always include re-entries even when they are old albums but I didn't check the positions they did give. They have also been known to miss a new entry occasionally but at least they usually give the right positions for the albums they do mention. Of course, as I'd written a whole load of blurb about WOTW, I left it in anyway


zeus555 View member profile	30th November 2014, 10:41 PM Post #8
BuzzJack Enthusiast Joined: 21 August 2006 Posts: 1,497 User: 1,153	BrasselsSprouts - I'm aware that JLS had 5 UK No.1's as JLS & a 6th as a credited Act on the 2011 X Factor Finalists No.1, 'Wishing On A Star'. However, I match my Lists to the 'Rules' that The OCC use. They have decided not to count 'Wishing On A Star' as a JLS No.1. They have also decided that One Direction cannot be credited with it either. Even though they too have a separate credit on it. So The OCC gives JLS 5 UK No.1 Singles & they give One Direction 3 UK No.1 Singles. This post has been edited by zeus555: 30th November 2014, 10:42 PM


Suedehead2 View member profile	30th November 2014, 10:50 PM Post #9
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,673 User: 3,272	Thanks for the updated list Colin.


Brer View member profile	30th November 2014, 11:00 PM Post #10
is my brain across your walls? Joined: 14 February 2009 Posts: 115,078 User: 8,300	QUOTE(zeus555 @ Nov 30 2014, 10:41 PM) BrasselsSprouts - I'm aware that JLS had 5 UK No.1's as JLS & a 6th as a credited Act on the 2011 X Factor Finalists No.1, 'Wishing On A Star'. However, I match my Lists to the 'Rules' that The OCC use. They have decided not to count 'Wishing On A Star' as a JLS No.1. They have also decided that One Direction cannot be credited with it either. Even though they too have a separate credit on it. So The OCC gives JLS 5 UK No.1 Singles & they give One Direction 3 UK No.1 Singles. Fair enough but surely it's at least worthy of a footnote


Suedehead2 View member profile	1st December 2014, 12:07 AM Post #11
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,673 User: 3,272	The JLS / 1D credit on Wishing On A Star is a difficult one. Obviously their presence meant that the line-up consisted of more than just that year's finalists. OTOH, their presence is not noticeable. The Virgin book lists the first two under the same entry. It is therefore arguable that JLS and 1D count as "X Factor Finalists" and that that description applies equally to WOAS. My preference is for the song not to count towards either band's total although I have generally (I sometimes forget) made that clear to avoid any dispute.


Brer View member profile	1st December 2014, 12:27 AM Post #12
is my brain across your walls? Joined: 14 February 2009 Posts: 115,078 User: 8,300	The song was specifically credited to 'The X Factor Finalists 2011 featuring JLS and One Direction' so I don't really get the argument to not count it as a #1 for JLS/1D, whether the OCC do this or not. There are plenty of other examples of artists making minimal contributions but still getting a featured credit which is never disputed (to use another JLS song as an example, Tinie Tempah's half a verse on 'Eyes Wide Shut' is never counted as not a hit for him).


Suedehead2 View member profile	1st December 2014, 12:41 AM Post #13
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,673 User: 3,272	As I said, I think the difference is that it is possible to credit all of the releases to "X Factor Finalists" without any featured artists. Of course, that then resurrects arguments about Diana Ross and the Supremes and Pussycat Dolls feat. Nicole Scherzinger.


fchd View member profile	1st December 2014, 07:21 AM Post #14
BuzzJack Gold Member Joined: 14 July 2008 Posts: 3,807 User: 6,639	I also credit the Shadows with a bunch of Number 1 weeks when credited alongside Cliff Richard


zeus555 View member profile	1st December 2014, 09:56 AM Post #15
BuzzJack Enthusiast Joined: 21 August 2006 Posts: 1,497 User: 1,153	I've now added some 'Notes' to my Post about the Acts with the 'Most UK Number 1 Singles'. There is a German fellow, who works out the All Time UK Singles Acts. He actually counts The Jordanaires as being an Act in their own right. He gives them Points for every Elvis Presley Hit that they are on. Making them the 3rd 'All Time Singles Act' in the UK. With The Beatles in 4th place. Beaten only by Cliff Richard, (2nd), & Elvis Presley, (1st). He does the same for the USA Singles Chart, & they are the 4th All Time Act in that List. Beaten only by Rihanna, (3rd), Lil Wayne(!), (2nd), & Elvis Presley, (1st). This post has been edited by zeus555: 1st December 2014, 10:00 AM


Brer View member profile	1st December 2014, 01:32 PM Post #16
is my brain across your walls? Joined: 14 February 2009 Posts: 115,078 User: 8,300	Were The Jordanaires ever actually credited for their contributions to Elvis' tracks? I think I've seen songs credited to 'Elvis Presley & The Jordanaires' in the Virgin Book of British Hit Singles but nowhere else to my knowledge. EDIT: It appears I wasn't looking particularly closely as they do seem to be credited on quite a lot of Elvis' hits. In that case I would tentatively agree with this person about them appearing in chart lists in their own right, although it feels like cheating a bit as they had no hits without Elvis (The Shadows' case is stronger as they have an expansive chart history in their own right as well as their collaborations with Cliff).


Suedehead2 View member profile	2nd December 2014, 04:23 PM Post #17
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,673 User: 3,272	Counting The Jordanaires as a separate act does seem rather absurd. The same logic would mean maintaining totals for the likes of The Suedettes and the mysterious Miss Snob. Maybe there should also be separate entries for groups that don't even exist such as The Machine.


Brer View member profile	2nd December 2014, 04:29 PM Post #18
is my brain across your walls? Joined: 14 February 2009 Posts: 115,078 User: 8,300	QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Dec 2 2014, 04:23 PM) Counting The Jordanaires as a separate act does seem rather absurd. The same logic would mean maintaining totals for the likes of The Suedettes and the mysterious Miss Snob. Maybe there should also be separate entries for groups that don't even exist such as The Machine. The Jordanaires are a legitimate act in their own right as far as I can tell though (just not one that had any hits).