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post 13th September 2020, 01:01 PM
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Another example I remember is Drake's "Emotionless" debuting and number 4 which ended up being its only week in top 100.
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post 13th September 2020, 03:30 PM
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ACR is absolutely needed in some form I just wish it was a bit more incremental, though after 3 years I've got a bit used to the big unnatural drops.
and I think some re-jigging needs to be done to the rules to prevent more 'The City' and 'Flowers' cases of songs lingering in the top 40 for far longer than they should cos they randomly spike a little bit long after they've peaked.
I'd also suggest that if a song is ever in the top 3 of an artist cap it doesn't get starred out later to stop another ridiculous case of 1-2-xx-4, until it is moved onto ACR (though I appreciate we've had very few of those in the top regions)
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post 14th September 2020, 03:15 PM
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QUOTE(dan-G @ Sep 13 2020, 04:30 PM) *
ACR is absolutely needed in some form I just wish it was a bit more incremental, though after 3 years I've got a bit used to the big unnatural drops.
and I think some re-jigging needs to be done to the rules to prevent more 'The City' and 'Flowers' cases of songs lingering in the top 40 for far longer than they should cos they randomly spike a little bit long after they've peaked.
I'd also suggest that if a song is ever in the top 3 of an artist cap it doesn't get starred out later to stop another ridiculous case of 1-2-xx-4, until it is moved onto ACR (though I appreciate we've had very few of those in the top regions)

I agree with all of this.

My suggestion is that ACR comes in when a song drops below (say) 70% of its peak streams. Then to get a re-set it would have to get back above (say) 80% of its peak. This would avoid something that isn't really declining but is obviously way past its peak like Perfect being on SCR, and would have given songs like Breaking on Me and Don't Need Love which were arguably cut off too early a bit longer on SCR.

As for the artist cap, like you say I think the rule should just be that a song needs to enter an artist's Top 3 to chart (but once it has charted is free to chart indefinitely). It's only ever been a major problem in the first week or two after an album release anyway.
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post 20th September 2020, 05:09 PM
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Update for week ending 24 September:

It would have been a close three way battle at the top this week without Head & heart being on ACR; I think Mood might have just scraped No 2.

1 1 WAP (1)
2 3 Mood (2)
3 2 Head & heart (1)
4 4 Ain’t it different (4)
5 5 Lighter (3)
6 6 Savage love (1)
7 11 Looking for me (7)
8 7 Mood swings (7)
9 8 Laugh now cry later (5)
10 18 Take you dancing (10)
11 10 Rockstar (1)
12 14 Midnight sky (12)
13 12 Greece (11)
14 13 Watermelon sugar (6)
15 9 Blinding lights (1)
16 22 Tick tock (16)
17 15 Breaking me (4)
18 21 You broke me first (18)
19 16 West ten (7)
20 17 Rain on me (1)
21 - Loose (21)
22 19 Go crazy (14)
23 26 For the night (23)
24 - Lemonade (24)
25 20 Secrets (8)
26 36 Giants (26)
27 23 Dance monkey (1)
28 24 Holiday (23)
29 27 Heather (27)
30 29 Dancing in the moonlight (16)
31 25 Rover (4)
32 28 Heaven on my mind (20)
33 30 Dynamite (3)
34 34 Popstar (14)
35 31 The woo (10)
36 33 Roses (1)
37 32 Fake friends (29)
38 37 Someone you loved
39 35 Dinner guest (6)
40 39 I dunno (9)
41 40 Wishing well (19)
42 43 Before you go (1)
43 41 Lasting lover (41)
44 45 Don’t need love (10)
45 44 This city (20)
46 46 Come & go (11)
47 42 Kings and queens (26)
48 48 Don’t start now (2)
49 47 Hallucinate (45)
50 49 Flowers (16)
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post 20th September 2020, 06:15 PM
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you're right about Mood having made #2 and that it was very close.
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post 27th September 2020, 02:09 PM
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Update for week ending 1 October:

1 2 Mood (2)
2 3 Head & heart (1)
3 1 WAP (1)
4 4 Ain’t it different (4)
5 7 Looking for me (5)
6 8 Mood swings (6)
7 5 Lighter (3)
8 6 Savage love (1)
9 10 Take you dancing (9)
10 24 Lemonade (10)
11 15 Blinding lights (1)
12 - Holy (12)
13 12 Midnight sky (12)
14 9 Laugh now cry later (5)
15 16 Tick tock (15)
16 11 Rockstar (1)
17 13 Greece (11)
18 14 Watermelon sugar (6)
19 18 You broke me first (18)
20 17 Breaking me (4)
21 23 For the night (17)
22 19 West ten (7)
23 20 Rain on me (1)
24 22 Go crazy (14)
25 43 Lasting lover (25)
26 26 Giants (26)
27 25 Secrets (8)
28 33 Dynamite (3)
29 27 Dance monkey (1)
30 28 Holiday (23)
31 31 Rover (4)
32 35 The woo (10)
33 - Diamonds (33)
34 36 Roses (1)
35 29 Heather (27)
36 34 Popstar (14)
37 38 Someone you loved (1)
38 - 5am (38)
39 32 Heaven on my mind (20)
40 37 Fake friends (29)
41 - What you know bout love (41)
42 39 Dinner guest (6)
43 30 Dancing in the moonlight (16)
44 21 Loose (21)
45 47 Kings and queens (26)
46 40 I dunno (9)
47 42 Before you go (1)
48 41 Wishing well (19)
49 45 This city (20)
50 46 Come & go (11)
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post 4th October 2020, 08:15 AM
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Update for week ending 8 October:

So many official Top 40 new entries that wouldn’t have made it.
Miley in the Top 10 for the first time. smile.gif

1 1 Mood (1)
2 2 Head & heart (1)
3 3 WAP (1)
4 4 Ain’t it different (4)
5 5 Looking for me (5)
6 10 Lemonade (6)
7 6 Mood swings (6)
8 8 Savage love (1)
9 7 Lighter (3)
10 13 Midnight sky (10)
11 9 Take you dancing (9)
12 19 You broke me first (12)
13 11 Blinding lights (1)
14 12 Holy (12)
15 15 Tick tock (15)
16 14 Laugh now cry later (5)
17 41 What you know about love (17)
18 17 Greece (11)
19 18 Watermelon sugar (6)
20 26 Giants (20)
21 21 For the night (17)
22 16 Rockstar (1)
23 25 Lasting lover (23)
24 20 Breaking me (4)
25 22 West ten (7)
26 24 Go crazy (14)
27 23 Rain on me (1)
28 28 Dynamite (3)
29 - 808 (29)
30 30 Holiday (23)
31 29 Dance monkey (1)
32 32 The woo (10)
33 27 Secrets (8)
34 35 Heather (27)
35 37 Someone you loved (1)
36 31 Rover (4)
37 33 Diamonds (33)
38 39 Heaven on my mind (20)
39 40 Fake friends (29)
40 34 Roses (1)
41 - Franchise (41)
42 42 Dinner guest (6)
43 46 I dunno (9)
44 36 Popstar (14)
45 47 Before you go (1)
46 - Come over (46)
47 - My ex’s best friend (47)
48 48 Wishing well (19)
49 44 Loose (21)
50 45 Kings and queens (26)
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post 11th October 2020, 04:27 PM
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Update for week ending 15 October:

1 1 Mood (1)
2 2 Head & heart (1)
3 3 WAP (1)
4 6 Lemonade (4)
5 4 Ain’t it different (4)
6 5 Looking for me (5)
7 8 Savage love (1)
8 7 Mood swings (6)
9 12 You broke me first (9)
10 10 Midnight sky (10)
11 17 What you know bout love (11)
12 11 Take you dancing (9)
13 9 Lighter (3)
14 - UFO (14)
15 14 Holy (12)
16 15 Tick tock (15)
17 13 Blinding lights (1)
18 16 Laugh now cry later (5)
19 20 Giants (19)
20 19 Watermelon sugar (6)
21 23 Lasting lover (21)
22 21 For the night (17)
23 22 Rockstar (1)
24 18 Greece (11)
25 28 Dynamite (3)
26 24 Breaking me (4)
27 25 West ten (7)
28 26 Go crazy (14)
29 27 Rain on me (1)
30 31 Dance monkey (1)
31 - Wonder (31)
32 - See nobody (32)
33 35 Someone you loved (1)
34 34 Heather (27)
35 - Dreams (24)
36 - Outta time (36)
37 29 808 (29)
38 30 Holiday (23)
39 37 Diamonds (33)
40 - Mr right now (40)
41 46 Come over (41)
42 - Levitating (42)
43 32 The woo (10)
44 45 Before you go (1)
45 40 Roses (1)
46 36 Rover (4)
47 - Daisies (47)
48 43 I dunno (9)
49 39 Heaven on my mind (20)
50 - Put your records on (50)

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post 11th October 2020, 07:20 PM
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Thanks, I was just wondering where Dreams would be without ACR. Maybe it would even have a chance of getting new peak this week.
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post 12th October 2020, 02:11 PM
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QUOTE(Tefo @ Oct 11 2020, 08:20 PM) *
Thanks, I was just wondering where Dreams would be without ACR. Maybe it would even have a chance of getting new peak this week.

It does feel a bit unfortunate that a song that was only ever a minor hit (despite being considered a classic song) should be consigned to ACR when it finally gets its chance to shine. Perhaps the OCC can come up with a dubious reason to re-set it. biggrin.gif
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post 18th October 2020, 08:54 AM
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The big question for this week is whether Dreams would have achieved a new peak without ACR. I think probably yes but only narrowly as I have it at #23, but it would be great if someone in the know could confirm its exact position! Of course if the existing rules were retained but Dreams had been given a re-set it would have made the Top 20.

Otherwise it’s the first time for nearly 2 years (since Shallow) that no song has done more than 50k. (There were a couple of weeks earlier this year when the official #1 did less than 50k but Blinding Lights was >50k SCR equivalent in those weeks.) Yet overall consumption remains healthy at 21M. I assuming that the pandemic is leading to people switching away from what is current to whatever they feel like listening to, which is no bad thing.

1 1 Mood (1)
2 2 Head & heart (1)
3 5 Ain’t it different (3)
4 4 Lemonade (4)
5 3 WAP (1)
6 6 Looking for me (5)
7 9 You broke me first (7)
8 10 Midnight sky (8)
9 7 Savage love (1)
10 11 What you know bout love (10)
11 8 Mood swings (6)
12 12 Take you dancing (9)
13 15 Holy (12)
14 - Princess cuts (14)
15 13 Lighter (3)
16 15 Tick tock (15)
17 21 Lasting lover (17)
18 17 Blinding lights (1)
19 14 UFO (14)
20 32 See nobody (20)
21 20 Watermelon sugar (6)
22 19 Giants (19)
23 35 Dreams (23)
24 18 Laugh now cry later (5)
25 22 For the night (17)
26 27 West ten (7)
27 24 Greece (11)
28 25 Dynamite (3)
29 23 Rockstar (1)
30 26 Breaking me (4)
31 29 Rain on me (1)
32 28 Go crazy (14)
33 42 Levitating (33)
34 30 Dance monkey (1)
35 39 Diamonds (33)
36 33 Someone you loved (1)
37 - Parlez-vous Anglais (37)
38 34 Heather (27)
39 - Bumpy ride (39)
40 31 Wonder (31)
41 41 Come over (41)
42 - Cool with me (42)
43 47 Daisy (43)
44 50 Put your records on (44)
45 44 Before you go (1)
46 - Only you freestyle (6)
47 38 Holiday (23)
48 48 I dunno (9)
49 45 Roses (1)
50 46 Rover (4)

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post 18th October 2020, 10:39 AM
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chart mod here tongue.gif you're right about Dreams, it would be sitting at #23 this week.
Headie One would also have 'Bumpy Ride' top 40 alongside his 3 actual eligible songs.
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post 18th October 2020, 11:28 AM
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QUOTE(dan-G @ Oct 18 2020, 11:39 AM) *
chart mod here tongue.gif you're right about Dreams, it would be sitting at #23 this week.
Headie One would also have 'Bumpy Ride' top 40 alongside his 3 actual eligible songs.

Thanks! Wasn’t sure where to place Bumpy Ride as it must have had more premium streams than Parlez-Vous Anglais but the latter had a video.
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post 25th October 2020, 12:15 PM
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Someone correct me if I’m wrong but I think this is the first time outside Christmas that the official #1 has been as low as #3 on the “true” chart.

I think Dreams might have climbed to another new peak this week but still be just shy of the Top 20. Dan are you able to confirm? smile.gif

1 1 Mood (1)
2 2 Head and heart (1)
3 4 Lemonade (3)
4 3 Ain’t it different (3)
5 5 WAP (1)
6 6 Looking for me (5)
7 7 You broke me first (7)
8 10 What you know bout love (8)
9 8 Midnight sky (8)
10 20 See nobody (10)
11 13 Holy (11)
12 9 Savage love (1)
13 16 Tick tock (13)
14 17 Lasting lover (14)
15 11 Mood swings (6)
16 12 Take you dancing (9)
17 18 Blinding lights (1)
18 15 Lighter (3)
19 22 Giants (19)
20 33 Levitating (20)
21 21 Watermelon sugar (6)
22 23 Dreams (22)
23 19 UFO (14)
24 28 Dynamite (3)
25 25 For the night (17)
26 14 Princess cuts (14)
27 24 Laugh now cry later (5)
28 - Chingy (28)
29 - Lonely (29)
30 26 West ten (7)
31 35 Diamonds (31)
32 31 Rain on me (1)
33 29 Rockstar (1)
34 30 Breaking me (4)
35 34 Dance monkey (1)
36 29 Greece (11)
37 32 Go crazy (14)
38 36 Someone you loved (1)
39 40 Wonder (31)
40 43 Daisy (40)
41 44 Put your records on (41)
42 41 Come over (41)
43 38 Heather (27)
44 45 Before you go (1)
45 - Hold (45)
46 - Train wreck (46)
47 48 I dunno (9)
48 49 Roses (1)
49 50 Rover (4)
50 42 Cool with me (42)

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post 25th October 2020, 03:22 PM
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QUOTE(JulianT @ Oct 25 2020, 12:15 PM) *
Someone correct me if I’m wrong but I think this is the first time outside Christmas that the official #1 has been as low as #3 on the “true” chart.

I think you're right (I wondered if on the first week Rockstar was at #1 it might have been behind Roses as well as Blinding Lights if they hadn't been on ACR, but that seems unlikely). On those post-Christmas weeks, the official #1s (Sweet But Psycho and River) wouldn't even have been Top 10.

As James Masterton said, Mood would otherwise be on 47,420, so that's the lowest '#1 without ACR' sale since video streams were added and the ratios last changed in mid-2018. Mood is also only the 8th song to be denied any weeks at #1 by ACR, but only the second to have had fewer than 8 weeks at #1 officially (the other didn't even get to #1, infamously
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post 26th October 2020, 10:00 AM
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QUOTE(JulianT @ Oct 25 2020, 01:15 PM) *
I think Dreams might have climbed to another new peak this week but still be just shy of the Top 20. Dan are you able to confirm? smile.gif


Yup, 2 spots short of the top 20
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post 31st October 2020, 12:40 PM
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Update for week ending 5 November:

Little Mix would still be without a Top 10 hit this year as it stands as I believe Break Up Song peaked at #12.
Assuming I’m right that Intentions peaked at #11 on the old rules Bieber would potentially have two consecutive #11 hits.

Dance Monkey would I think be on 61 consecutive weeks in the Top 40 so would have convincingly broken that record.
Someone You Loved would have a staggering 90 weeks but not consecutive.
I suspect they will both be knocked out, at least temporarily, as next week will bring a grande clear out. wink.gif

1 - Positions (1)
2 1 Mood (1)
3 2 Head and heart (1)
4 3 Lemonade (3)
5 - Really love (5)
6 10 See nobody (6)
7 7 You broke me first (7)
8 4 Ain’t it different (3)
9 5 WAP (1)
10 8 What you know bout love (8)
11 - Sweet melody (11)
12 9 Midnight sky (8)
13 6 Looking for me (5)
14 11 Holy (11)
15 13 Tick tock (13)
16 14 Lasting lover (14)
17 17 Blinding lights (1)
18 20 Levitating (18)
19 12 Savage love (1)
20 15 Mood swings (6)
21 16 Take you dancing (9)
22 18 Lighter (3)
23 19 Giants (19)
24 21 Watermelon sugar (6)
25 25 For the night (17)
26 22 Dreams (22)
27 31 Diamonds (27)
28 24 Dynamite (3)
29 29 Lonely (29)
30 27 Laugh now cry later (5)
31 23 UFO (14)
32 28 Chingy (28)
33 26 Princess cuts (14)
34 32 Rain on me (1)
35 33 Rockstar (1)
36 35 Dance monkey (1)
37 46 Train wreck (37)
38 37 Go crazy (14)
39 38 Someone you loved (1)
40 34 Breaking me (4)
41 30 Daisy (40)
42 30 West ten (7)
43 41 Put your records on (41)
44 39 Wonder (31)
45 36 Greece (11)
46 42 Come over (41)
47 - I miss u (47)
48 44 Before you go (1)
49 43 Heather (27)
50 48 Roses (1)
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post 8th November 2020, 01:55 PM
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Update for week ending 12 November:

Lots of Ariana positions towards the lower end. Stay tuned for another little mix-up next week. smile.gif

1 1 Positions (1)
2 2 Mood (1)
3 4 Lemonade (3)
4 3 Head and heart (1)
5 6 See nobody (6)
6 7 You broke me first (7)
7 10 What you know bout love (7)
8 8 Ain’t it different (3)
9 12 Midnight sky (8)
10 5 Really love (5)
11 9 WAP (1)
12 - 34+35 (12)
13 14 Holy (11)
14 13 Looking for me (5)
15 27 Diamonds (15)
16 11 Sweet melody (11)
17 18 Levitating (17)
18 15 Tick tock (13)
19 16 Lasting lover (14)
20 - Motive (20)
21 17 Blinding lights (1)
22 19 Savage love (1)
23 23 Giants (19)
24 21 Take you dancing (9)
25 22 Lighter (3)
26 20 Mood swings (6)
27 24 Watermelon sugar (6)
28 29 Lonely (28)
29 28 Dynamite (3)
30 - Off the table (30)
31 - POV (31)
32 - Just like magic (32)
33 25 For the night (17)
34 - Monster mash (34)
35 - Shut up (35)
36 - Safety net (36)
37 31 UFO (14)
38 26 Dreams (22)
39 30 Laugh now cry later (5)
40 37 Train wreck (37)
41 32 Chingy (28)
42 36 Dance monkey (1)
43 39 Someone you loved (1)
44 - Ghostbusters (2)
45 44 Wonder (31)
46 35 Rockstar (1)
47 - Deluded (47)
48 34 Rain on me (1)
49 - Nasty (49)
50 - Thriller (10)
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post 8th November 2020, 05:46 PM
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Might have to ask for a recount on Someone You Loved being out of the Top 40 laugh.gif pretty sure it would be above some of the Ariana tracks above it here, still it's had a good run (or second run after dropping out for a week last Christmas).
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post 8th November 2020, 06:26 PM
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fyi - Ghostbusters would actually have re-entered the top 40. SYL would indeed have dropped out too.
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