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Posted by: De Niro 25th August 2010, 08:00 PM

Posted by: Kathyp 26th August 2010, 08:29 AM

I've heard it now ... and seen the video:

Song = 6/10
Video = 8/10

It could be a grower though. I desperately wanted this song to be crap ... but it isn't. Don't get me wrong .... it isn't great ... but it isn't crap. Given the right song ... their voices work really well together. It really wasn't worth all the bigging up its had though.

Kath

Posted by: Robbieca 26th August 2010, 08:46 AM

omg I LOVE the video, especially the part when he takes his shirt off and shows me his swallows which I haven't seen in FOREVER
and the very end is brilliant

the song's good toooooo I think I kind of expected more from them but I'm glad it's a normal pop song, not another futuristic crap song


oh.. if anyone gets the video and/or the song - please PM me

Posted by: 7heDreamer 26th August 2010, 10:04 AM

Don't know what to make of it yet but it is not bad at all. The subject was like what we all expected and the video is boring for almost 3/4.3 minitues...
Their voices match and it is a nice song perhaps after a few more listens I will know what to make of it. On my first listen it looked like a great song for UK radio and public but kind of a miss for Europe though.

Edit: When they started to take shirts off I was afraid it would be too much of Brokeback mountain!

Posted by: De Niro 26th August 2010, 10:18 AM

I've just watched the vid on VH1 - on Holiday so wasnt bothering getting up early. Very odd hearing a new song and video at the same time The opening guitar part really reminds me of a Rob B-side but Im not really awake yet so can't think which one As I expected it's a ballad but not too slow with a sing-along chorus - quite MOR and perfect for radio 1 and 2. I don't dislike it though - like you Norma I think it's a pleasant enough track but then that was obviously the aim - something nice and safe - just listening back as I am writing this post I now think the music sounds like a Beatles track as well - a slighly faster 'Blackbird'. The whole song reminds me of various different songs though. The vid is clever but the parts when they are singing with their old fashioned jackets on - they do look lack too old grandads - and more like Robson and Jermone than Jaggar and Bowie Just after it finished on VH1 Lazy Days came punping on though and it became very apparent how forgettable Shame was - nice and inoffensive but like you say Norma had it been released by let's say - Lee Ryan and Duncan from Blue it would flopped.

Illl go listen back to the Moyles interview - anything interesting said or did you not bother listening?

Posted by: Kathyp 26th August 2010, 10:23 AM

The interview was quite entertaining ... both Gary and Rob gave laughs in equal measures. Something I noticed about four minutes into it ... and is very encouraging to Rob fans who feared nothing solo after this ... he said "this is a very interesting point in MY career' (something along those lines ... but the word MY was very clear).

On the other hand, when Moyles suggested to Gary that this was the end of Take That (i.e. starting as a five, ending as a five) Barlow gave his standard 'we don't know ...' answer which usually means they (he) do (does) know and is not saying because the fans may not like the answer.

Kath

Posted by: De Niro 26th August 2010, 10:42 AM

Cheers - the listen back feature isnt working on Moyles website despite it saying it was available from 10.30

I've listened 4 times now and am already sick of it. It's quite simply not interesting enough to hold my attention but then again I fully expected that. It will be a huge hit in the UK where bland sells in bucket loads but I tihnk it won't fare well elsewhere where people expect songs a hell of a lot more exciting. I can't see this being #1 in Germany in a million years for example.

Posted by: De Niro 26th August 2010, 10:59 AM

Rob has just revealed via Twitter that there will be a new book out Sep 20th titled 'You Know Me'

He also said 'Could It Be Magic' is his least fave TT song describing it as being 'pants'

Posted by: ICR 26th August 2010, 11:29 AM

Dusting off cobwebs - hi

I like the song and video - but get the feeling that means I am getting old

Would have prefered something to make my bottom wiggle - but them not sure Gary could have pulled that off

ok back into my box - byeee xxx

Posted by: Osiris 26th August 2010, 11:44 AM

Hello cobweb girl

Personally I am undecided about the song, it's alright, might just need to listen a few more times

Posted by: De Niro 26th August 2010, 11:46 AM

Good to see you ICR

Rob has a history of releasing lead singles that tend to be very different and fresh - with the exception of 'Something Stupid'. Shame is quite similar to Something Stupid imo - only with far better lyrics and more adult contemporary sound - but in terms of the actual song itself it's dull in a similar way in my view. But I was never expecting a fast-paced electro or rock tunes with Gaz or board - in that sence I wish Rob had've done a duet with Mark Owen - that would actually be interesting - perhaps the only thing I can look forward to about the TT album? They said on Heart that Rob wrote the lyrics and Gary the music - pretty much how I expected their song-writing to be tbh - both focusing on their strengths. Makes sence but I woudlve prefered the song to be more of an anthemic type like Rule The World and Feel.

Rob just said on Heart that they will perform 'Shame' for the first time at the Help For Heroes gig.

Posted by: De Niro 26th August 2010, 01:01 PM

Made seperate thread for this from the album.

Posted by: Chriss_S 26th August 2010, 01:14 PM

I really like the video, but not too keen on the song atm. Its quite catchy though so im sure it will grow on me.

Posted by: Kathyp 26th August 2010, 01:29 PM

I knew the start of it seemed familiar! Thanks!



Kath

Posted by: Kathyp 26th August 2010, 01:35 PM

Just a funny thing! Did anyone notice when it was on TV just now (the channel that they're going to play it on the hour every hour) it says 'Shame' ... by Robbie Williams and Gary Below. Eh?

Kath

Posted by: Robot 26th August 2010, 01:36 PM

The video is SO SO gay. I honestly thought they were gonna start kissing at any moment.

Posted by: Kathyp 26th August 2010, 01:48 PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2010/aug/26/robbie-williams-gary-barlow-shame

They're back together again ... and in the era of the Brokeback Coalition, here's a homoerotic take on Robbie and Gary's patched-up relationship

It's the moment some feared would never happen while others feared it would. Gary Barlow and Robbie Williams are singing together on a song taken from Williams's forthcoming Greatest Hits, due in October. A preamble to Take That's reunion in November, think of this as a country-ish amuse bouche before the Stuart Price-produced, electro-tinged main course.

Shame has an arresting line about posters on the back of Toys R Us, but all attention will focus on the video, which sees the two men gaze lovingly into each other's eyes, strip to the waist and fall in love all over again. It's like Brokeback Mountain – but without that bit in the tent.



Kath

Posted by: De Niro 26th August 2010, 01:48 PM

Yep VERY similar. Actually on 2FM right now the DJ is taking the p*** out the this and playing the start of both Blackbird and Shame. loads of people texting in complaining about how Rob and Gaz have ripped it off

Posted by: Kathyp 26th August 2010, 01:58 PM

Just as the very start of Rob's 'You Know Me' was identical to that French song (can't bloody remember it now but its 40 years old) this Robgar song's start is identical to the Beatles one. However ... I'm sure Gary Barlow is perfectly aware of it and will have cleared it with McCartney first.

Kath

Edit ... there was much speculation on the TT site that Shame may get a US release. With this video? I think not! I love the video ... but I don't think it would go down well with our American Cousins!

Posted by: De Niro 26th August 2010, 02:07 PM

Wouldnt it be hilarious if Macca sued them?

Yeah but it's different - Rob sampled that music for YKM and credited the writer - I highly doubt the credits of this will be Barlow/McCartney/Williams

I can't see why this would get a US release - it's nowhere near the same league of most of Rob's or TT's material that hasnt been successfull Stateside (apart from BFG and Rob's Ego album which sold quite well going Gold). If it is being released then the Egos of both are growing as we speak

I just listened to the Moyles interview - actually enjoyed it. They bounced off eachother quite well I thought. I always find it amusing how Rob never has a clue when his albums are out or what is even on them. Gary was more aware of the tracklistings of Rob's GH than he was

Posted by: danieljohn. 26th August 2010, 02:38 PM

I love the song... It's the best thing I think Robbie's done since "Trippin'"... I'm ing at the Toys R Us line.

Posted by: Kathyp 26th August 2010, 03:19 PM

I'm getting little traces of 'Cheers' now, and hints of one of Take That's songs from this era 'Trouble With Me'?

Judas Priest! I'm sounding like Jillie Bloody Goulden from the Wine Show!

Kath

Posted by: De Niro 26th August 2010, 03:39 PM

What I find hilarious is how many fans of both are saying how amazing the song is It's only the best Robbie single since Morning Sun and tbh most of TT's newer singles have been better with the exception of perhaps I'd Wait For Life (although tbh I completelly forget what that one sounds like). There is nothing amazing or remarkable about this song - is's a nice enough pop song but not this groudbreaking masterpiece some fans are making it out to be imo.

Posted by: Kathyp 26th August 2010, 03:43 PM

I do think with the input of Mark, Jason and Howard (especially Mark) that the up-coming Take That (5) stuff will be much, much better than this. I bloody well hope so anyway.

Kath

Posted by: Vülker 26th August 2010, 04:19 PM

How homoerotic of them...

Posted by: Kathyp 26th August 2010, 05:38 PM

My husband has just said that if I buy anything to do with Take That Gary Barlow again - he'll join the Conservative Party so I'm afraid I'm going to have to pass on this one (I probably wouldn't have bought it anyway). I'll just have to sneakily watch the vid whenever its on.

Kath

Posted by: stevyy 26th August 2010, 06:01 PM

i love the vid... really! when both take off their shirts... so great

the song gets a 7/10 from me. It has no real melody which is sad.

Posted by: 7heDreamer 26th August 2010, 06:58 PM

I think I've made up my mind now. The lyrics are very good (I rarely complain of Rob's lyrics anyway). The melody is warm but... not quite a melody. The start looks like a rip-off to me but the rest has a poor melody nothing like the orchestra strings of RKTVS. If Gary wrote the music and Rob the lyrics (which was what we all expected to happen) I have to say Gary has written much better stuff. The video is a bit(lot) boring for my taste but all TT and a lot of Rob's videos have been boring anyway. I don't know if it will grow on me but as a song I feel it is worse than RTW , Patience , Bodies or Morning Sun.
And it is annoying how the last two were badly received and this will be commented as a masterpiece. Anyway it is not a bad song, much better than most songs out there (the competition) so it deserves to do well. I believe that it is NOT suitable for a promo single though; it is warm with nice lyrics but it is not instant and not sparkling at all. (well I thought Bodies was but the general public didn't agree!) It will definitely not help the GH anywhere outside the UK. Of course it is the GH of Europe's biggest popstar of the decade and it will be certified all around but it could have done much better with something catchier. I don't know why this song could crack the US because I never understood why his great ones didn't. If TT want to test the transatlantic waters they should but they will be really cold! Mediteranean waters are pretty cold for them too perhaps they should go for Europe first.
I am wondering, will 'The Flood' will be upbeat-pop or is the 'new' TT album actually a fake-classic Beatles wanabe?
If I had to rate (I may change my mind later) I'd say 7/10

Posted by: Kathyp 26th August 2010, 07:20 PM

So any good things about it are down to Rob and any bad things are down to Gary. Figures! I happen to think the lyrics are average and the melody is average. A joint 'average' effort from BOTH! I gave the song 6/10 and not knowing what the competition is going to be ... on the strength of the song alone ... I'd say it deserved a top 20 place at best.

The video however, although a little cringey at times, I like. But I liked the video for She's Madonna and thought the song was sh/te.

Kath

Posted by: De Niro 26th August 2010, 07:21 PM

Just watching him belt out LMEY from Knebworth on Magic on TV right now it really in such an amazing energetic, engaging and unique way it is very sad to see him now sing a song that would not sound out of place on a Daniel O'Donnell or Cliff Richard album. Very sad to see him become just another pop star singing just another bland old-fashioned sounding song that could be from the 1950's. I would look forward to 'Heart and I' but as it is also a Barlow co-write doing so would be pretty pointless for me. I will however look forward to the DVD's of the vids and Berlin DVD, and also the new book which is bound to be fascinating. It's odd usually with Robbie singles they grow on me and I find them odd at the start and am intrigued by them - Shame I found a nice pleasant listen at first but am already bored of hearing it which never happens with Robbie songs, well very rarely. There is just nothing about the song that grabs me - it's just a nice song and nothing more imo.

Posted by: 7heDreamer 26th August 2010, 07:36 PM

You got it wrong! It is an average effort from BOTH! Robbie can write 1000 times better lyrics than that and Gary can write real music! (in this effort I believe the lyrics are better than the music but it makes no difference really there can be great songs with poor melody it is not the melody that makes this song a 7- instead of a 10!). When I said RKTVS had rich orchestra chords we all know Robbie didn't write them! Rob has a creative and fresh music taste but he cannot write much music on his own anyway. Perhaps it is actualy a bit more of Rob's fault because the song is in his SOLO album so his is more responsible for the result. And if I have to blame sb for the boring video it will be Rob once again it is HIS promo single of his GH album. I am not implying Gary ruined Rob's work in any way (because he didn't). After all it was Rob's decision to have him on board.

Posted by: Kathyp 26th August 2010, 07:39 PM

But you said that the lyrics (Rob) were 'very good' - surely this is better than 'average'.

Anyway - like De Niro - I now find the whole song crap actually. It has gone from nice, inoffensive ... to just plain crap. I'd love it to miss the top 20 altogether.

Kath

Still like the vid though!

Posted by: 7heDreamer 26th August 2010, 07:51 PM

But when you talk about charting success it never has to do with the very song but with the competition. A poor song could propel forth due to lack of competition. This song will rise because of the hype anyway. I still believe this song beats most competition -although it is not the crown jewel (LOL) of either writer- and therefore deserves to do well. However, I am tempted to curse this to flop if we consider Come Undone went nowhere near the top spot.

And I still find the video boring... but I expected that. RTW and Patience were great songs but the videos s*cked. Not to mention Supreme! (Or morning sun which is more recent!).. You seriously liked the video of She's Madonna? OMG you are definitely a huge fan of Robbie then!

Posted by: De Niro 26th August 2010, 10:39 PM

I notice you are a regular on Rob's official site now Kathy (btw what happened to Norma? ) - I havent posted properly on there is a long time. It's sadly full of people who think they know what they are talking about but truly have not got a clue about 'facts' and love triyng to convert people to liking Rob being back with TT. One thng can't tolerate s people desperatly trying to sound like they know it all without having sufficient knowledge of different situations. The official site, just like before it was closed down 5 or 6 years ago is full of alot of nutters and waffelers who don't know what they are talking about but feel the need to ensure people they do

Always makes for an entertaining read though - I generally lose count of the sheer volume of 'facts' that get thrown out the window to to suit a certain view

Btw the vid for Supreme is not a bad video at all - it's really good imo. Agree on the others though. Rob has a tendency to divide opinion with vids - they are generally too dull (Morning Sun) or very odd and quirky.

Posted by: Kathyp 26th August 2010, 11:18 PM

Norma is gone! I was in that 'team' thing in the lounge for a while (about 25 hours - and then I came to my senses.) I had a falling out (with everybody) they all hate me (but I'm not really arsed about it) so I decided to go back to being Kathyp (a renowned bitch at the beginning but she has mellowed a little).

I actually like the Rob official site ... it is a bit better than the Take That site both aesthetically and content wise. You still have one or two die-hard Rob nuts on there but so does the TT site (TT nuts I mean). On the whole though ... most posters seem to be (a little) more objective than the TT site and view the song as nice but not great - which is the correct and only assumption. I know what you mean though about people trying to convince everyone else that a reunion is a 'great' thing. Why can't people just be satisfied with two good, but entirely separate acts?

I still can't get over how much I like the video (but as I said ... I loved the She's Madonna video ... for me Rob's best since Rock DJ). The more I watch it ... the more I want to see the out-takes where Gary and Rob must surely be peeing themselves laughing. It reminds me of the sketch in the Fast Show - you know ... the one with Ted and his boss.

In general though ... the best place to discuss Rob / TT is here on BJ.

Have you looked at my 'funny' in the 'waffling out of consciousness' thread?

Kath

Posted by: De Niro 27th August 2010, 12:52 AM

Just saw the thread about the cat with the rows. Didnt know anything about groups as I don't bother with the Lounge etc. Noticed you posted saying Rich (Thisispop) has left BJ. I had been wondering where he had been for ages. That is terrible news - one of the best, if not the best poster the site had. Hopefully he returns at some stage.

I just read your post about the male advice - very funny and quite true really

Btw just saw your post on the OS - as I couldnt be arsed posting there I'll say here that the combined sales of Rob outside the UK is vastly more than TT in the UK overall - afterall Rob has sold around 19m albums in the UK but 58M worldwide - loads of his albums have sold 7-8m worldwide but 2-2.5m in the UK. The UK market is limited to 2-2.5m in general for big selling albums - on an international level if an album is promoted well and a big tour like Rob did will all albums prior to Rudebox then the market overall is vastly larger and Rob has sold up to four times more even when albums sell 2m in the UK. And by proportion in Germany for example Rob selling 1-1.5m copies of several albums woudl be the equivalent to over 3m in the UK - it is something that is very rare in the UK especially for international acts. If Rob just sold the standard 2m per album in the UK (like TT have done with their 2) like he did with six of them he would never in a million years been offered the £80M deal - not even a 1/4 of that I bet. The international market (outside the US and UK) is potentially much much larger than the UK but very few acts can achieve the success and maintain it. Record sales have declined so much in recent years though that is is now the touring that matter so now moreso than ever if serious money is being made then the international market is more important than ever. Tbh that is what I will find the most interesting - how the tour will be marketed abroad - I am sure Gaz has a very good plan prepared - he is probably working with Josie just like in the Moyles interview with Rob not having a clue and not caring either way

Btw unless you take a few days to go back and forth in an argument on the OS you won't win. Getting the last word will be impossible there Best trying to wind them up for the laugh though

Posted by: Slick 27th August 2010, 01:10 AM

This reminds me of a bland Robbie ballad ('Advertising Space', 'Misunderstood') or a bland Take That ballad ('I'd Wait For Life', other Barlow material.) It's like they've combined the worst of their songwriting and made this, which is neither good vocally OR lyrically. I am massively disappointed because I miss the good Robbie days, and Gary is capable of much better with Take That. I thought this song might herald some massive change or improvement, but alas.

The video is very gay, but I like that they're poking fun at their relationship (I think they are, anyway.)

Posted by: Kathyp 27th August 2010, 08:13 AM

Really disappointing news about TIP. One of the most knowledgeable posters and he goes. Apparently (this is just hearsay as another poster told me bits) there was a bit of a 'do' in the moderator's lounge (I didn't know they still had one) and he gave an ultimatum .... never a good thing to do. Still I'm sure he could have been talked into staying .... I get the feeling he was a bit of a 'rogue' mod though (in a heroic, good sort of way) and probably just got bored of it here. Well to be fair ... 90% of the time it is bloody boring here ... some of the posts are positively inane ... but as me and Rich (mainly me I suppose) are a lot older ... I think we tend to forget that this is a 'for the young in the main' site. But where are we to go ... there are no 'boring old bast*rd' sites about on the information superhighway!



I know! This is why I do it!

Kath

Posted by: Kathyp 27th August 2010, 08:19 AM

Back to the cat though! I'm sorry ... I just can't help thinking about it ... it was the talk of the pub last night when I went to our quiz. We all agreed that although it wasn't funny (for the cat) one's natural instinct when seeing the beginning of the clip was to laugh. Maybe because we've seen so many 'put up' clips in the past in comedy sketches, etc. I do think that Britain has got its bloody priorities wrong when this woman (who has obviously got something amiss somewhere) has now got death threats against her. I bet half the people who want to kill her have got a criminal records themselves for violence against people! I wonder if Max Clifford has contacted the cat yet?

Its a funny old world ... but this is why I don't post in The Lounge anymore (well it is a bit naff anyway). They think I'm 'bincatwoman's sister'

Anyway ... must start talking about something else ... as I'm typing ... my cat is looking up at me!

Kath

Posted by: truly talented 27th August 2010, 08:25 PM

Hope you don't mind me butting in here was gauging reaction on the new single when I read this. Thought I hadn't seen Thisispop posting for a while. His input will be missed. I agree, being an older member it's sometimes difficult to fit in such a young dominated site.

Posted by: Kathyp 27th August 2010, 09:07 PM

Well Jark made me feel like a frigging dinosaur so I can't be bothered posting in many other places. The Robbie forum is the best one at the moment ... it seems filled with intelligent people. I think this is definitely an 'ageist' site though ... but then again ... it is a thing for the young. BJ seems more ageist than most other sites I've ever visited though. The best is IMDb - probably because it can cover a huger area than this tiny site ... so old people can fit in 'without being noticed'.

I really miss Rich! I did send a PM asking him to come back - as in the past when someone's sent me a PM ... I get a nofication at my own email address. No response so I'm assuming he's either switched the facility off ... or he just doesn't want to come back ... and I don't blame him.

Kath

Posted by: De Niro 27th August 2010, 09:58 PM

Yeah TIP was a great contributer to BJ and had a great knowledge across a wide range of subjects. It was always interesting hearing his views on Robbie's music as someone impartial, as he has a great taste in music unlike most people on BJ who think the whole music industry revolves around girl groups who couldnt write a song if their lives depended on it let alone sing one live and in tune.

Anyway I agree the Rob forum here is good for discussion but it used to be brilliant. There used to a large community here but now we only have a handful of regulars left sadly. 4 years ago everyone single thread on the forums first page would be posted in on a daily basis - it was busier than many of the actual fansites tbh. Sadly alot of the diehard fans lost interest along with many casual fans after Rudebox and then the long break. I reckon with more concentration outside the UK and especially a tour to reconnent with fans he wouldve got most of them back on board quite easily but I doubt he cares either way. Rob has never been one to bother much with his fans tbh and has a history of being rude to them - even yesterday on Twitter when asked him why he was going back to TT as he was better on his own he replied something along the lines of "what is it to you?"- highly arrogant and out of touch if you ask me considering if it wasnt for fans in the first place there would be no TT or Robbie the pop star.

Back on Shame though - it is being played a lot on the radio to generally divided opinion. Some saying it is as dull as dish water - others hailing it to be amazing. It still baffells me how many fans are taking the former view - I am completely positive if this was being sung by two lesser stars many of those same people wouldnt give it a second listen and it wouldnt even trouble the top 30 let alone be highly likely to be #1. The lyrics, although some good lines, are overall well below par and not witty or deep enough in parts, and the melody is highly dated and out of touch with music in 2010 - and the actual music is very basic and not interesting enough. Why couldnt they come up with someone more anthemic and 'big' but still a ballad type such as Feel or Rule The World? And is it true that Stuart Price produced this? I know he is doing the TT album but if he produced Shame then I'd be worried if I were a TT fan. It sounds more John Shanks then Price in terms of the MOR-ness of the whole thing.

Posted by: Kathyp 27th August 2010, 10:16 PM

If I was behind the single ... I'd be a bit concerned that the youtube clips of it have hardly had a 'barrage of interest'. Comments on message boards have been few and far between ... in general ... people are just bored of the whole thing.

Some people have quoted on the Rob and TT sites that this song doesn't have to have a 'wow' factor ... as it is a song illustrating the 'healing process'. However that 'healing process' is of no interest to anyone other than those fans who were fans of Take That Mk1 - and more precisely .... fans of Rob and Gary. I've found from the sites that TT fans are very partial to their own favourite member ... which is why I can see anyone who is a Mark, Jason or Howard fan ... while saying they like it on the site (and they probably do) won't buy the single. I can see the next Take That single (involving all five ... being huge) but this Shame single ... if it gets to number 1 ... it'll be for one week ... and then it'll be given the bum's rush and out of the top 20 like sugar off a shovel.

Kath

Posted by: Josh 27th August 2010, 11:42 PM

Such an awful cringeworthy song and crap video! Who cares if it's a parody, it's not even a good one!

Posted by: Cleo 28th August 2010, 09:05 AM

Shame is not a track that ' I just have to have ' on my playlist .... cannot see it getting to No 1 unless the RW/TT fans stick their hands in their pockets

Posted by: Cleo 28th August 2010, 09:35 AM

Thanks to TRWS

http://www.quotenmeter.de/cms/?p1=n&p2=44134&p3=


Robbie will perform Shame & will be vocal coach

Posted by: truly talented 28th August 2010, 11:02 AM

I'm sure this will go to number, though it certainly doesn't deserve too. It's already being played to death & an X Factor performance will definitely seal it. It sounds like something Boyzone would serve up. I presume Gary wrote the music & Robbie the lyrics. I'm not a huge Robbie fan , preferring him on cd than watching him live but over the years he has come up with some brilliant lyrics, sadly these are way below par.

Posted by: Kathyp 28th August 2010, 11:12 AM

The lyrics and the music are a bit dire! And that is a compliment.

It is however, entering European iTunes at the moment on several countries charts - its up to number 12 on (German) iTunes alone - although I'm sure it'll only be a matter of days before it disappears without a trace. I suppose as Rob's name is selling this one ... then this proves that some of his fans will occasionally buy into mediocrity just as much as some of Take That fans do.

Posted by: Cleo 28th August 2010, 12:13 PM

Is not on my shoppiong list though & I am a big iTunes downloader ...definately will give this one a miss

I'm still interested to see what the new Take That come up with , I could see Mark & Robbie working really well together, I have heard some of Mark's solo stuff & like it

Posted by: Kathyp 28th August 2010, 12:52 PM

I don't like any of Mark or Gary's solo stuff (with the exception of Lie To Me). Rob's, as I've said before ... there are a couple of songs I like. I can't see Rob and Mark working any better than Rob and Gary have. Gary and Mark have worked well and Gary and Jason have ... maybe the five together will come up with something decent. If they come up with a selection of songs similar to this crap then all five will have proved that they are just in it for the money ... musical satisfaction cannot be a contributing factor.

Kath

Posted by: De Niro 28th August 2010, 01:38 PM

Oh I have no doubt that Rob and Mark would be better suited. Gary as I always expected wasnt going to do much else other than a ballad with Rob or something a bit more up-tempo which is apparently what 'Heart and I' is - in reality the type of music Rob loves is a million miles away from Gary's general style. I mean not in a million years will any of the 'out there' and electro/rock type of music Rob has done be anywhere near a TT album. At most they will release more upbeat songs if rumors are true about a dance type of album - it will be possibly more music with a beat instead of soft guitar but there is no way it will be a radical change or too experimental as album sales are all that matter. Mark Owen's solo career from the few singles I have heard (ive always liked 4 Minutes Warning myself) over the years is much more similar to Rob's style in terms of having some sort of an edge to it - they could come up with a good rockier type of song. I always found it odd that they never worked together before as they never exactly fell out and remained mates. Their duet of Rob's rock version of Back For Good at Knebworth was great fun to watch the energy of them both. Gary is however, while not an amazing musician by any means is much better than Rob and Mark but I feel his overall style of songwriting (and voice imo) is very one-dimensional and he can generally only pull off ballads although obviously not in the case of 'Shame'. I think that's why his solo career never took off after the two singles that did well - people expected more and something different but that wasnt his style.

What I am confused about though is to why on earth 'Shame' has been relased on Itunes outside the UK and Ireland 5 weeks before in the release date? A very odd decision but tbh I think the strategy is much better as I think 5 weeks away is way too far away - Shame considering all the hype and huge airplay right now would get to #1 most definatly if released for download next week - surely in 5 weeks everyone and their dog will be sick of hearing it (I already am). It is #3 in Germany and Austria though which is very surprising considering there has been no promo - but obviously being the new Robbie single it has got alot of airplay in the last two days so it is being downloaded. But I can't see it holding on for very long as its the type of track people will tire of very quickly. And you are right Norma - this track has nly got 110K views on youtube in 3 days which is laughable.

Among the many songs Shame reminds me of is a Robbie B-side 'Postcard' that is actually on the B-sides CD on the GH - funnily enough it's one of my least fave Rob songs ever for it's blandness - many things about it remind me of Shame including the delivery.

Btw Shame will have a new B-side titled 'The Queen' - I just so hope it is not another Gary co-write - I need something to look forward to I am suprised the B-side isnt the unreleased song on the B-side album 'Long Walk Home' seeing as by the title it sounds like something to do with getting back with TT.

Posted by: Kathyp 28th August 2010, 01:52 PM

It's Kath!

Kath

Posted by: Osiris 29th August 2010, 01:09 AM

Shame is so meh. And the clip is very plain and boring, if not a bit gay.

Posted by: Ni¢ky 29th August 2010, 04:51 PM

It's not a bad song, not a bad song at all. The video is Okay-isch, always great to see Robbie the way he looks in there so I'm pleased. The parts were Rob and Gary kinda stare in eachothers eyes make me a bit sick haha. I read the book FEEL

Posted by: Kathyp 30th August 2010, 09:00 AM

Much better version here! Better music and lyrics that are perhaps a bit 'truer'.



Kath

Posted by: De Niro 31st August 2010, 01:15 AM

Sorry, am so used to calling you Norma.

That song you posted is indeed better than 'Shame' And as for actual versions of the song itself - I also prefer this remix of it - makes it that bit more exciting.



There is apparently a big announced on Heart FM in the morning about Rob and Gary. A live performance on radio perhaps?

Posted by: Kathyp 31st August 2010, 04:33 PM

Do you know what ... I posted that on the official site and not one person likes it ... figures.

I like it by the way ... it is a MASSIVE improvement.

Kath

Posted by: Jupiter9 31st August 2010, 05:04 PM

I have now heard Shame and have seen the video.

Don't like the song.
Don't like the video.

Next.

Posted by: Jupiter9 31st August 2010, 06:44 PM

Bland Bland Bland Blandity Bland

Posted by: Cleo 31st August 2010, 08:02 PM

Wellcome to the 'like minded club' Jup...it's rubbish ..aint it !!!

Hope you had a lovely holiday, did you need all those overcoats

Posted by: Kathyp 5th September 2010, 08:04 PM

I like this little comment from The Guardian's columnist Barbara Ellen.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/sep/05/william-hague-homosexuality-adrian-chiles

What a shame that William Hague decided to handle the internet rumours in such a pompous, heavy-handed manner. It doesn't matter that the rumours have been following him since Oxford University: who, these days, would be so silly and thin-skinned as to be genuinely upset by a gay smear? Or so naive as to admit they are?

Making the underqualified Christopher Myers his aide is one thing, but the pair sharing a hotel room could have been handled easily and lightly – Hague joking that he's a Yorkshireman, too tight to pay for two rooms. As for the "True Bromance" pictures of them walking along the street in sunglasses, Hague in a baseball cap and tucked-in top, Alastair Campbell observed drily: "Most politicians are poor at casual clothes." An understatement, but there was no real harm in the photo. It was just so hilariously camp.

Dining with a friend, I was told how she'd once spotted Andy Bell, the fabulous singer from Erasure, on New York's Gay Street, wearing a bum-bag. She mentally filed it away as the campest thing she'd ever seen. "But the Hague photo is camper!" Crucially, neither of us thought any of this (funny photos, ill-judged room sharing) had anything to do with Hague being homosexual. Why, then, did Hague feel compelled to react in such a po-faced, dramatic way?

Hague should have laughed it off. Sure, there's the whiff of gay Salem around Westminster at times. Right now, we seem to be tripping over politicians coming out or having dramas about their sexuality. However, these people are gay. Merely being accused of being gay isn't the same thing. In fact, it appears to be practically a blooding for a certain stripe of workaholic politician, part of the Westminster territory.

For Hague suddenly to barge around, making public statements, dragging his wife Ffion's miscarriages into it, hints at a worrying dearth of emotional intelligence. Miscarriages are incredibly sad, but they aren't proof of a man's sexuality. Nor is having children, nor is even a 20-year marriage, as Crispin Blunt recently demonstrated.

However, that's beside the point. Hague seems to be a decent man and an experienced international statesman. Why, then, would he embark on a course of action that sends out the toxic message that, if it is not actually shameful to be gay, it is an outright insult to be accused of it?

This is what Hague has done and, in a way, that presumes politicians are uniquely targeted. Far from it. Even at my low level, I regularly receive missives from people asking charmingly, and sometimes not so charmingly, whether I might secretly be one for the ladies. It's inaccurate; I sometimes feel that I should be checking my desk diary in case I did black out and spend a month or so dating Ellen DeGeneres. However, it's not remotely distressing or insulting.

Irrelevant? I've not been splashed all over the papers, nor whispered about for years. No, but others have. Take That's new video for "Shame" features Robbie Williams and Gary Barlow parodying the gay movie Brokeback Mountain, making light of the homosexual rumours that have followed the band since the start of their career. Surely if fluffy boyband members can cope with elegance and humour with this kind of thing, a foreign secretary should have breezed it.

This is the point. If Hague can't cope with bromance rumours, however incessant and irritating, then how can we trust him with issues that really matter, such as Afghanistan or Iran? Arguably, all this pouting and stropping has made Hague seem a million times camper. However, none of us has any right to care a damn whether William Hague is gay or straight. What is significant, and troubling, is that our foreign secretary dealt with gay rumours markedly less maturely than a boyband.




Kath

Posted by: De Niro 6th September 2010, 05:12 PM

Radio Airplay Top 50

TW LW Wks Artist/Title

01 03 5 Taio Cruz Dynamite 1868 19.82 53.28 14.68
02 16 2 Robbie Williams & Gary Barlow Shame 1844 117.45 52.36 65.49
03 01 8 The Saturdays Missing You 2568 -8.25 50.76 -14
04 05 9 Eminem Feat. Rihanna Love The Way You Lie 1698 -3.58 46.09 2.29
05 13 4 The Script For The First Time (Times Are Hard) 1963 12.56 44.53 32.93
06 12 5 Olly Murs Please Don't Let Me Go 2733 22.01 41.76 23.15
07 06 16 Katy Perry Feat. Snoop Dogg California Gurls 2682 -8.09 41.51 -6.26
08 02 6 Brandon Flowers Crossfire 1394 47.51 40.34 -26.43
09 08 9 Flo-rida feat. David Guetta Club Can't Handle Me 1798 1.58 37.81 -3.08
10 11 10 The Wanted All Time Low 2407 -8.16 35.53 -0.56

Posted by: Kathyp 6th September 2010, 06:16 PM

This is getting annoying now. It was on the radio in the car today and I started singing along to it. I know ... I should be disgusted with myself ... I am!!!

Kath

Posted by: Sparkle 6th September 2010, 07:30 PM

I don't mind the song tbh, think it's quite catchy

Posted by: bigwiglaf 7th September 2010, 07:46 PM

Well, at least you've heard the song....me, living in the US, haven't heard it yet.....you may be disgusted with yourself, Kath, but, I'm not....I luvs ya, anyhoo....

Posted by: Aphrodite 7th September 2010, 11:38 PM

Its a real grower and its a very simple song (in a good way) i can see this doing very well.

Posted by: Jupiter9 8th September 2010, 06:35 PM

I still don't like it.

I like the Eminem song though

Posted by: Jupiter9 10th September 2010, 10:33 PM

I've watched again. It's just not happening for me.

Posted by: Kathyp 12th September 2010, 09:05 PM

I thought they sang it well tonight ... their voices do blend very well. Live too ... they were perhaps the most tuneful act of the night. Does anyone else think though ... that this was the wrong place to 'showcase' this song? The concert all of a sudden changed from being about the heroes to being about Gary and Rob's Bromance. That's what I thought anyway.

Kath

Posted by: De Niro 12th September 2010, 10:10 PM

I agree - to promote it for the first time at this event was perhaps not the best move. But I suppose Gary wouldve wanted to be apart of it and there would be little point in doing an old TT song with just the two of them when they actually have a duet now. I still find it very odd that the song is still not out yet - what is it another two weeks to go? Far too long a gap but I am sure between them Gaz and Rob's management know what they are doing

Posted by: Kathyp 12th September 2010, 10:17 PM

Have you heard the snippet of 'Heart and I'? I think you'll be pleased. I am ... even though it is just Rob singing it. When they get together these two can come up with something decent. It's on youtube but I've put a link in the TT section here. Although not a Lennonesque classic ... the 30 second clip indicates a much, much better song than Shame.

Back to the concert ... I really did think that Rob looked a bit naff at times ... very out of breath and relying too much on his backing singers to get him by. Maybe he needs his time out with TT - the more energetic members (Howard and Jay) can take a bit of stress from him. Believe me ... after seeing The Circus ... Rob is going to have to get 110% fit to cope.

Kath

Posted by: 7heDreamer 15th September 2010, 12:43 AM

God, Rob's voice was terribly rough. And I just realised Shame is very tough to sing live, both struggled to follow the tune! Robbie doesn't seem tired or out of breath but he seems out of... voice! I wish he could take care of his throat from time to time. Shame has grown on me but not enough to believe it is a really good song.

And yes I too believe their voices blend well but the duet was not suitable for the occasion (a stupid occasion imo anyway ). People will start to get tired of it now with all the radio and fuzz. I guess it will have one or two weeks of impressive sales and will then drop like a stone. For some reasons chart-people have started to believe it won't get to no1.(wishful thinking I'd say but mirrors the fact it has started to get dull)

30 sec of 'Heart and I' were enough to convince me it is better than 'shame' (such a shame what a shame pitiful shame real shame)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcewhDDhrG8

Edit: Is it just me or Rob's 'entertaining' still makes Gary feel awkward after all these years... he just stands there and smiles in a shy way, totally speechless...

Posted by: Kathyp 15th September 2010, 06:16 AM

I'd feel a bit awkward and embarrassed if I was stood up there on stage with Rob behaving like that. And what was the kicking of the legs bit? 110% cringeworthy.

By the way ... I do now realise that the fluffing of lines and the silly moves and faces are what the Rob fans love about him ... which is why I see what you mean ... he should stay solo.

I was thinking of going to see the tour ... I think I'll save my money now.

Kath

Posted by: Sparkle 15th September 2010, 03:28 PM

Thought you said a while back that seeing TT live is not for you anymore, did you change your mind again?

I wonder how many Robbie/TT fans do actually go and see them when they first said they wouldnt.
Perhaps everyone will all go in secret without admitting it

and yeah, I like the " moves, and faces that Robbie does, and as for forgetting the lines now and then, he's human!
just think of how many songs he has to his name and how many lyrics he has to try and remember, can't be easy.

Posted by: Jupiter9 15th September 2010, 08:06 PM

I thought they sounded good together. Still hate the song though.

As a side issue, I was glad Gary arrived to stand beside Robbie. Those baggy trousers Robbie was wearing made him look like a 4ft 2 inch midget. Then Gary arrived and Robbie was tons taller and I was reassured he hadn't shrunk in the wash.

Posted by: Sparkle 15th September 2010, 08:56 PM

The baggy trousers were awful, but I guess they gave him alot of room to................



be able to jump around in

Posted by: Cleo 16th September 2010, 05:52 PM

Posted by: Jupiter9 17th September 2010, 09:18 PM

When does Shame actually get released? Do we think it will get to No1?

Personally I'd be very surprised. But I'm permanently surprised at the UK No1s these days so no change there.

Posted by: Sparkle 17th September 2010, 09:21 PM

I think it'll get to number 1, probably won't stay there for very long

Haven't a clue when it's realeased

Posted by: Cleo 17th September 2010, 09:39 PM

I dont know, dont care & will not be buying it but I do love Robbie

Posted by: Jupiter9 17th September 2010, 09:47 PM

I don't know what to do. I have every Robbie CD single. I may need to buy it just for my collection.

As a side issue. When Shame plays on the radio I can only really hear Robbie's voice.

Posted by: Cleo 17th September 2010, 09:50 PM

That is because you are only psyched up to hear Robbie , yuou have blotted everything else from your mind

Posted by: Sparkle 17th September 2010, 09:54 PM

Get someone else to buy it for you, problem solved

Posted by: Jupiter9 17th September 2010, 09:54 PM

I'd rather blot the entire song from my mind (and ears) if truth be told

Posted by: Jupiter9 17th September 2010, 09:55 PM

Awww. That's so nice of you. You've got my address of course.

Posted by: Sparkle 17th September 2010, 10:02 PM

Posted by: Jupiter9 17th September 2010, 10:07 PM

Ooooooh. Just heard a wee snippet of Heart and I on YouTube. Now that sounds much more like it!

Posted by: Sparkle 17th September 2010, 10:09 PM

not heard it yet

can you post it please?

Posted by: Jupiter9 17th September 2010, 10:12 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcewhDDhrG8

Posted by: Cleo 17th September 2010, 10:12 PM

Release date for Shame it seems is OCT 4th ...can you really see it getting to No 1 ...it would be nice if it did but I have my doubts

It will defo not make number 1 over here, I have heard it played twice since it's debut on radio

Posted by: Jupiter9 17th September 2010, 10:14 PM

Oh God only knows

Posted by: Jupiter9 17th September 2010, 10:15 PM

Has Wee Daniel got a record out that week?

Posted by: Sparkle 17th September 2010, 10:16 PM

Heart and I sounds really good, I likey likes

Posted by: Cleo 17th September 2010, 10:17 PM

I thought Daniel was retired

Posted by: Jupiter9 17th September 2010, 10:19 PM

How Dare You!!!!!!!

Posted by: Jupiter9 17th September 2010, 10:20 PM

Much more Rawwwwwkkkkk!!!!

Posted by: Cleo 17th September 2010, 10:21 PM

Here's a snippet about wee Daniel in the Bournemouth Echo


Waiting for Daniel O Donell

2:50pm Friday 17th September 2010


HARDCORE Daniel O’Donnell fans have set up camp outside Bournemouth International Centre in a bid to bag front row seats for his show.

Tickets for the star’s December 2 Christmas show go on sale early on Saturday morning.

But by around 10am yesterday eight fans had already pitched up their tents and sleeping bags and were sitting chatting, sipping coffee out of flasks and one even knitting to pass the time.

Posted by: Jupiter9 17th September 2010, 10:31 PM

Hardcore? Daniel O'Donnell? Some words just shouldn't appear in the same sentence....


On a side note, Yes I knew about the ticket queue. Sparkle was glad she had brought along her inflatable boyfriend chair.

Posted by: Sparkle 17th September 2010, 10:35 PM

Jups!

Posted by: Cleo 17th September 2010, 10:35 PM

unflatable boyfriend !!! interesting do you have something to tell us Spark

Posted by: Kathyp 29th September 2010, 09:30 PM

You probably all know already but just in case ... Rob and Gary are on the Paul O'Grady show chatting and singing Shame (Friday, 8th October) can't remember the time or channel. Makes no difference to me ... I'll be in Liverpool watching Level 42! Cannot wait! Not seen them for years but Mark King is definitely one of the best bass players ever! Shame he left his wife to run off with the nanny!

Kath

Posted by: Cleo 29th September 2010, 10:12 PM

Have a brill time , great band

Posted by: Kathyp 29th September 2010, 10:23 PM

They are indeed! I've seen them six times in total including a massive Princes Trust concert where they were the house band for the evening and a brilliant open-air do at Crystal Palace where they and Squeeze (another fab band) were the sole performers! I'm going with my sisters ... one of whom is not familiar with any of their stuff ... I'm prepping her at the moment!

Posted by: Osiris 30th September 2010, 12:43 PM

I can't get into this song, even tried downloading it and adding it to my MP3 but nope not a fan

Posted by: Kathyp 30th September 2010, 02:20 PM

Deep down ... I don't think anyone likes it. The tune and the lyrics are just so ... well ... crap!

Kath

Posted by: Cleo 30th September 2010, 06:59 PM

It's a song that I have obliterated from my mind , dreadful & dire & utterly boring

I Heart & I sounds quite good & I love the sound of Birds & Dogs ( very Amy Winehouse type of track & suits Robbies voice really well )

Posted by: Aphrodite 30th September 2010, 11:28 PM

I can honestly say i love shame, its a real grower, i admit when i first heardit i wasnt what i expected at all, but it grew on me i love it now, i love its simplicty.

Posted by: gooddelta 1st October 2010, 11:51 AM

^ I love it too, its simplicity is its charm.

I don't think it will be #1 though, Cee-Lo will go to the top I think and Shame will be another #2 for Robbie.

Posted by: Aphrodite 1st October 2010, 05:45 PM

That could well happen but il live in hope til then that Gary gets his 3rd solo number 1!!

Posted by: Cleo 1st October 2010, 05:45 PM

Can you really see it making top 20

Posted by: Aphrodite 1st October 2010, 06:10 PM

Top 20! im expecting #1 or top 3 at the very worst.

Posted by: Kathyp 1st October 2010, 06:21 PM

It's number 1 on pre-orders so I'm certain it'll make number 2 on the official chart ... I can see it just missing out on the top spot. Not bad for what is obviously a song they both wrote in their sleep.

Kath

Posted by: 7heDreamer 2nd October 2010, 09:58 AM

Why so sure about F.U. ? It really doesn't ring any bells to me it is just funny...The fact that F.U was no1 on airplay and Shame no2 last week is the reason a lot of people are suggesting this, isn't it? But this is a really controversial argument since Shame got and will get more support from Radio + TV! Anyway Shame has preorders on its side and will probably sell about 100K which is not easy to battle for an unknown act with little promotion.

Posted by: De Niro 3rd October 2010, 05:59 PM

Shame on SCD last night. Never did I think Rob would be on SCD sitting on a stool to such an old fashioned sounding track and standing up at the key change. It was vocally a very strong performance from both though - and I did think it was amsuing how eager Rob was to get up and move and interact with the crowd but Gaz had to tip him on the shoulder and then later suggested they sit back down on the stools.

Posted by: De Niro 3rd October 2010, 06:07 PM

I doubt Shame will be #1 now. A song called 'f*** You' by someone by the name of Cee Lo Green is likely to beat them It is currently #4 on Itunes and climbing (apperently #1 when combined) where as Shame is #7. Also F.U is #1 on Airplay and Shame is #3 - and more significant on TV Airplay last week 'Shame was #38 but this song was #4.

Rob and Gaz should've waited to release it next week and perform on the XF. SCD wasnt good enough promo as I doubt it main viewer ship download singles much

Btw apparently TT and Rob are going to be on the XF this coming Saturday or Sunday to sing the Flood and an old track. Seems very odd tbh - why waste an XF slot when the single isnt out till November? And it will only have had it's first play on radio? Also annoying as Rob should be promoting his GH out the following day. He should be doing a one off gig on ITV after the XF on Saturday to promote it but instead will be singing with TT when their single and album won't be out till the following month?

Also Rob will be on Daybreak tomorrow for the whole show and will be singing Shame with Gaz as well.

Posted by: Aphrodite 3rd October 2010, 08:07 PM

shame is up to #5 on itunes now, shame will have huge phyisicals aswell that will boost it.

Posted by: Jupiter9 3rd October 2010, 08:32 PM

I ordered a copy. I'll never play it. But I need my collection to remain at 100%.

Posted by: 7heDreamer 3rd October 2010, 09:40 PM

I still hate the live version of Shame so badly! 9/10 of the time it sounds so out of tune and there is no melody at all, both sing it in a very harsh way...
I still believe it can be a no1 though

Posted by: Kathyp 3rd October 2010, 10:14 PM

I couldn't watch the SCD performance ... the first 40 seconds or so were on before I started to feel violently ill. I managed to get to the remote and switch over before I collapsed with a severe attack of 'cringeitis'.

Kath

Posted by: Josh 3rd October 2010, 10:53 PM

That is so painful to watch and listen to.

Posted by: Aphrodite 3rd October 2010, 11:41 PM

I completly forgot about them been on strictly as i dont watch it at all, the vocals were good on the song although some of the moves are cringeworthy!

Posted by: Kathyp 4th October 2010, 06:17 AM

Cardigans and Rocking Chairs next ... and perhaps a pipe or two!

Kath

Posted by: Cleo 4th October 2010, 06:22 AM

Just watch it slide

Posted by: 7heDreamer 4th October 2010, 06:59 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmDBzYipKLI

I just noticed it has a b-side

Posted by: Kathyp 4th October 2010, 09:37 AM

I like that ... but it does sound extraordinarily like Take That's hidden track on The Circus ... She Said.

Kath

Posted by: Kathyp 4th October 2010, 09:39 AM

It will slip down just as quickly as Slinky the Silkworm Slid Silently down the Slippery Slide at the Slideville Village Festival.

Kath

Posted by: De Niro 4th October 2010, 01:12 PM

ROBBIE WILLIAMS AND GARY BARLOW 'TOO GAY' FOR STRICTLY
The Star

Robbie Williams and Gary Barlow have come under attack for being “too gay’’ on Strictly Come Dancing.And 10million viewers saw the former feuding singers perform a “bromantic’’ duet on Saturday. The track called Shame marks the end of their long- running spats which started when Robbie walked out of Take That some 15 years ago

Dressed in matching black suits, Robbie, 36, and Gary, 39, kept gazing into one another’s eyes like lovers while sitting on stools. Then they got on their feet and did a few dance moves before hugging one another. One mum posted a message on the BBC Strictly forum: “I’m not certain how appropriate Robbie and Gary making googly eyes and singing a love song at each other may be. “A lot of young boys were switching on at 6.55pm to watch Merlin afterwards.”Another viewer added: “I almost expected tongues.”

There were also protests about former EastEnders star Kara Tointon, 27, and her kinky S&M style outfit.

After taking a tumble, she said: “It was the dominatrix look I was going for and then I fell over! How embarrassing.”


One viewer blasted: “My 80-year-old mum does not want someone telling her about being a dominatrix.


“She just wants some family entertainment.”

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/156701/Robbie-Williams-and-Gary-Barlow-too-gay-for-Strictly/

Posted by: De Niro 4th October 2010, 01:15 PM

Btw here is the Itunes pop bar - with physicals (whcih are usually feck all but I think they will do quite well for Rob and Gary) added I think Shame is #2 but Cee Lo with both versions combined on downloads alone are easily #1.

Posted by: Kathyp 4th October 2010, 08:15 PM

I find this bizarre ... considering the show has an array of young men in tight lycra and sequins! How can something be considered 'too gay' in a show that in itself is as gay as a Christmas Tree!

Kath

Posted by: stevyy 4th October 2010, 08:36 PM

it#s fantastic how the song performs on the charts.. #2 on itunes... so happy for the success after morning sun bombed..

Posted by: Aphrodite 4th October 2010, 09:59 PM

number 2 on itunes is great and i would say they will manage around 10,000 phyisical sales aswell, i wonder how its doing on other download sites.

Posted by: De Niro 5th October 2010, 11:50 AM

Midweeks are in and

1 Cee-Lo Green [40k]
2 Robbie Williams & Gary Barlow [27k]


With both verions added together of both songs on Itunes Cee-Lo is still way ahead. Actually after listening to Cee-Lo's song it deserves to beat the dreary Shame. It is very catchy and different and possibly a future classic. At least it is not like last year with a great song (imo) like Bodies being beaten by utter tosh like Bad Boys. It is still possible that Gobbie will get to #1, Paul O'Grady will have a big effect but I wouldnt put money on it.

Posted by: Kathyp 5th October 2010, 03:34 PM

Gary and Robbie are doing Live Lounge this Thursday too remember ... whether that will have any impact or not I'm not certain.

But ... Cee Lo deserves the number 1 ahead of Shame. In all honesty ... Shame should think itself lucky to be in the top five ... if it was any other artist ... it would never have seen the light of day!

Kath

Posted by: Jupiter9 5th October 2010, 07:25 PM

Oh that is so funny

All those young innocents being corrupted by Rob and Gaz making eyes at each other!

Posted by: De Niro 6th October 2010, 08:01 PM

Unless my eyes are deceiving me on my Itunes 'Fuck You' is about to overtake Shame to #1 - infact the whole top 5 is catching up so Shame is losing momentum. Looks as though it is game up. Such a Shame, real Shame.

The GH better be #1 though - he Script did it with only 34K last week, and Tinie's sales will be a fraction of what they are by next week so it is likely with little obvious competition in the new releases. With so many having the first GH and 'Shame' aside none of the other 20 tracks featuring that were not on the first one are being sung anywhere as promotion. He should have done a one off TV special. It is still possible it will get to #1 though even with average sales. At this stage I am getting a bit sick of him being #2.

Btw Shame has flopped overall accross Europe - it is #92 this week on the Hot 100 - the UK #1 will bring it up but it isnt top 10 anywhere else apart from Ireland on Itunes. German promotion will help but it is disappointing.

Posted by: De Niro 6th October 2010, 08:10 PM

Posted by: Aphrodite 6th October 2010, 10:33 PM

The fact its number 1 shows its elling very well on downloads and the phyisicals will bump sales, im sure this at worst will be a top 2 hit.

Posted by: Kathyp 6th October 2010, 10:34 PM

Cee Lo's just gone to number 1 (iTunes)

Posted by: Aphrodite 7th October 2010, 07:01 PM

Shame will hold top 2 on sunday and will havc decent sales which is good enough for me.

Posted by: De Niro 7th October 2010, 09:38 PM

Shame is really slipping now. It is way behind both #1 and #2 and is in danger of being overtaken by BOTH #4 and #5 despite being heard by millions of people on Live Lounge and Drivetime on Radio 1 and 2 today.

Posted by: Kathyp 7th October 2010, 11:09 PM

Well I got a surprise today ... we were walking through town and my sister, who can't stand Rob or Gary said 'I really like this song'. You could have knocked me down with a feather!

Kath

Posted by: Aphrodite 8th October 2010, 03:18 AM

Thats good to see a non robbie and take that fan liking shame, as i said before its a love or hate song and those of us who love really love it. Looks like shame will have an irish top 5 debut tomorrow which i would be delighted with.

Posted by: De Niro 8th October 2010, 02:39 PM

It has slipped to #6 now which is just shocking, especially after being heard by millions of people on Radio 1 and 2 live. Had this been released the day after the HFH performance I think it would have reached #1 but at this stage, 6 weeks of huge airplay people are tired of it by the week of release and it has dropped dramatically during the week. It is still #2 on the official mid weeks - no sales though but if Paul O'Grady performance doesnt have a big impact it will be very lucky to remain at #2.

Posted by: Aphrodite 8th October 2010, 03:14 PM

Shame makes a number 8 debut in Ireland this week.

Posted by: De Niro 8th October 2010, 04:09 PM

Surprised it didn't go top 5. Bodies got to #3 with much less radio support heret. I knew from the very beginning Shame was not the type of track that was going to connect with non- fans - it would be hard to relate to the lyrics as they are very much about Rob and Gary's relationship and the song itself is too dreary to have a big impact. It appeal is certainly limited and I fully expect it to drop quickly down the charts and think the radio won't be playing it much now 'The Flood' is on radio.

Posted by: Aphrodite 8th October 2010, 07:55 PM

I expected top 5 aswll especially with it doing so well on itunes and radio play.

Posted by: Cleo 8th October 2010, 09:06 PM

Enjoyed Robbie & Gary on the Paul O Grady show tonight...Robbie is looking yummilicious as usual

Posted by: Aphrodite 10th October 2010, 05:52 PM

#2 in the Uk this week, which is great, it held up very well.

Posted by: De Niro 10th October 2010, 07:20 PM

It was very lucky to reach #2 IMO. Unlike Bodies last year where it's 90K sales would have been enough to reach #1 most previous weeks, Shame was up and down Itunes like a yo yo and was #1 at one point and as low at #4 at another during the week. Even though I don't like it I am delighted Rob has achieved his 21st Top 5 Hit single and 28th Top 10. Fantastic. If IAOOC is not #1 next week I will explode though

Posted by: Kathyp 10th October 2010, 07:24 PM

I have to admit ... as much as I disliked Bodies ... if someone put a gun to my head and said you MUST listen to either Bodies or Shame 50 times on loop ... I'd choose to listen to Bodies.

And Shame was bloody lucky to get to number 2.

Kath

Posted by: Cleo 10th October 2010, 07:50 PM

There will be a second explosion here ...I want that album at No 1, it thoroughly deserves it

Posted by: Aphrodite 10th October 2010, 08:01 PM

I would be shocked if it doesnt go number 1 myself even though im not a huge fan. I think the only thing that might go against it, his first greatest hits done huge business and he hasnt had such hits since then.

Posted by: De Niro 10th October 2010, 08:16 PM

Yeah the first GH has sold near 2.5M in the UK alone and over 8M globally. A massive album. The thing is it is not just the singles since the last one that feature but a further 12 Top 10/ Singles including the Xmas #1 Something Stupid, not to mention several other tracks that were not singles in the UK. So it is much more than just singles since the last one added on, plus of course the #2 Shame (although the album advert claims it was a #1 hit which is odd) and the great new tune 'Heart & I' which is getting some airplay on Radio 2. I know I've said it endlessly now but it is insane that Rob has not done a one-off TV special to celebrate the release of it and his careers anniversary. Had there been one on ITV either last night or tonight after the XF I would be positive of it getting #1 but over 100K especially if other tracks were showcased other than the usual suspects. However considering there is nothing like that and the older tracks he has sung on TV for prom(Feel and Rock DJ) are from the first one - it isnt exactly going to entice people to go out and buy it if they already have the album those tracks are from. The strategy is half arsed as per usual and not thought out properly but he hardly cares at this point - it is all about TT for him now. The thing it has going for it are the different editions and the fact there isnt too much obvious competition apart from this weeks #1 album which ha ssold 85K, however that will surely half by next week. I would love just for once for it to have a clear lead by the first set of midweeks and not have to worry about it selling enough. It tends to get very annoying, especially after RKTVS.

Posted by: De Niro 10th October 2010, 08:18 PM

Double post

Posted by: Aphrodite 10th October 2010, 08:57 PM

I prefer when the chart race as close as when the act your spporting gets the number 1 on the sunday its far more exciting.

Posted by: De Niro 11th October 2010, 09:21 AM

As do I usually but at this stage I am getting a bit sick of Rob just missing #1. The stress of chart battles gets annoying especially for albums. If this is his last album for what could very well but another 3 years (considering he will likely take a break after the TT tour - I bet a TT GH will be released next Xmas) I want him to complete this stage of his career with his 9th #1 album overtaking David Bowie to have the most #1's by a UK male in history.

Anyway to Quote The MW report with thanks to Mikey.



That is incorrect. They have both had 13 #1's as part of TT and as Solo artists. They discussed this fact in an interview the other day and I did a quick check and Rob featured on 7 of the TT #1's and then had 6 solo #1's. Gary featured on 11 TT #1's and 2 Solo. And you could also add in 'Everybody Hurts' for both and 'Do They Know It's Xmas for Rob technically too Anyway decent sales for Shame - around what I expected. It did well to sell so much tbh. I expect a quick drop now though...

Posted by: Aphrodite 15th October 2010, 06:40 PM

Shame on week 2 drops just 2 places to number 10 in Ireland this week. Im quite happy with that.

Posted by: Jupiter9 15th October 2010, 08:01 PM

I was doing my messages in the Co-op last night. 'Shame' came on over the tannoy. People were singing along and humming away quite happily. I was rather bemused...

Posted by: Kathyp 15th October 2010, 08:42 PM

I love that! The fact that you shop at the Co-op (me too!) and that you call your shopping 'messages'. I thought that was just a Liverpool thing!

Kath

Posted by: Jupiter9 15th October 2010, 08:48 PM

Oh Sparkle has got to read your post! She has been slagging me off for months because I use the word 'messages'.

Posted by: Sparkle 15th October 2010, 08:49 PM

It's confirmed, you are both bonkers

Posted by: Jupiter9 15th October 2010, 08:53 PM

Southern Softie

Posted by: Sparkle 15th October 2010, 08:58 PM

I could

but I won't

Posted by: Jupiter9 15th October 2010, 09:00 PM

Posted by: Aphrodite 17th October 2010, 09:29 PM

Number 7 this week down 5 places and sales are roughly around 35,000 which means shame has passed 100,000 sales already.

Posted by: De Niro 17th October 2010, 11:23 PM

Yeah it is holding up well on 2nd week sales wise. Here is the performance from London last week. Enjoyable actually - being able to hear the crowd singing along improves the song imo - It always amuses me the amount of times Gaz does that 'catching the air' or whatever it's called with his hand when performing. He manages to fit it in a few dozen times every time I see him perform Shame

Posted by: Kathyp 18th October 2010, 07:59 AM

He does it ALL the time. It's one of the thing that started to annoy me about him! The only way to stop him is to sit him at a keyboard.

Kath

Posted by: De Niro 21st October 2010, 02:41 PM

from http://www.garybarlow.com/ website. with thanks to Evelyn on rw.com forum and Jackie on TRWS

Posted by: De Niro 21st October 2010, 02:43 PM

Looks as though Shame is set for a big drop this week - it is #17 in todays mids. It sold well though - but it was never the type of track that was going to hang around for ages was it?

Posted by: Ophelia 8th November 2010, 03:37 PM

How many were sold to date?

Posted by: De Niro 8th November 2010, 07:15 PM

Around 145,000 copies in the UK.

Posted by: Jupiter9 8th November 2010, 09:42 PM

There are 145,000 tone deaf people in the UK?

Posted by: Cleo 9th November 2010, 11:50 PM

Looks like it might just beat The Flood though

Posted by: Aphrodite 10th November 2010, 01:38 AM

I do think the flood will have far higher sales overall, although i prefer the flood to shame i still love shame i think its a great song.

Posted by: Aphrodite 14th November 2010, 08:06 PM

shame is number 43 in the UK this week which im pleasantly surprised with as i was sure it would drop out of the top 50 this week.

Posted by: Aphrodite 18th November 2010, 06:56 PM

Shame is #32 this week so it should be back in the top 40 this sunday, hopefully shame will eventually reach near 200,000 sales as i think this week should bring it well past 155,000 - 160,000.

Posted by: Jupiter9 18th November 2010, 07:13 PM

It's a bit like the sales for 'You Know Me'. I thought it was crap but it sold bucketloads too. I have long since given up trying to anticipate what people do and don't like to listen to. My taste seems to be way out of step with the majority

Posted by: Cleo 18th November 2010, 07:22 PM

I hate Shame & YKM & The Flood ....everything else I like

Posted by: Jupiter9 18th November 2010, 07:24 PM

Lonestar Rising?


Ba-Bum

Posted by: Aphrodite 18th November 2010, 09:34 PM

I think im one of the few people who loves shame around here.

Posted by: Jupiter9 18th November 2010, 09:36 PM

One of the few? I think you're the one. Singular.


Never mind. Life would be boring if we all liked the same things.

Posted by: Aphrodite 18th November 2010, 10:08 PM

Yes, very true, thats the magic of music what one loves the other hates and vice versa,

Posted by: De Niro 19th November 2010, 12:20 AM

Rob and Gaz are over in Germany to promote 'Shame' Odd I know at this late stage but it is from 'Popstars'. Here is the performance. They seem to be having a good laugh - Rob is always a million times more relaxed outside the UK without all the pressure

Posted by: Aphrodite 19th November 2010, 12:22 AM

Ya robbie definitly looks more relaxed, quite agood performance by both.

Posted by: Aphrodite 21st November 2010, 05:32 PM

Shame has re climbed 12 places to number 31 in the UK this week

Posted by: Jupiter9 21st November 2010, 09:29 PM

Posted by: Aphrodite 19th December 2010, 08:00 PM

Shame climbs 14 places to number 80 this week, overall shame will do 200,000+ which isnt so bad at all.

Posted by: Cleo 19th December 2010, 08:56 PM

I hate that song with a vengence

Posted by: Kathyp 19th December 2010, 08:58 PM

To be honest ... if you forget the godawful lyrics ... the tune isn't too bad. In fact ... I'm a'shame'd to say that I like it more than The Flood.

Kath

Posted by: Aphrodite 19th December 2010, 09:32 PM

I like shame but it isnt a patch on the flood for me.

Posted by: De Niro 23rd December 2010, 01:00 AM

No I still hate 'Shame' - any song that wouldn't sound out of place on a Cliff Richard or Daniel O'Donnell album is a serious mistake if you ask me

From the naff lyrics, to the Blackbird rip off, to the overall jumper wearing grandad style melody - I still can't stand it. I would have been fine for Rob and Gaz to release in 40 years time

The Flood is vastly superior in every possible way for me - even thought I am sick of hearing it on the radio and seeing it live everywhere I look.

I still think 'Heart & I' is the finest work Rob and Gary has written together or in a collaboration with Mark - I love SOS, Kidz and Underground Machine but I think as a overall track - talking everything into account - Heart and I is the best. It's a bloody good tune and should have been a single instead of Shame - or at least a double A-side - may have got to #1 then

Posted by: christjesus 28th December 2010, 10:06 PM

The video was very uncomfortable...

Posted by: Aphrodite 2nd January 2011, 08:05 PM

Shame is on the re bound again, it climbs 14 places to number 79 this week, shame it didnt make the top 75 but good to see it still selling.

Posted by: Jupiter9 5th January 2011, 09:39 PM

It will never go away. Heard it in the Co-op the other day. Again.

Posted by: Aphrodite 6th January 2011, 02:16 AM

Its hanging around well which is good even if its just in the lower end of the charts,

Posted by: Sparkle 6th January 2011, 04:03 PM

whilst collecting your messages?

Posted by: Cleo 6th January 2011, 11:01 PM

That bloody song

Posted by: Kathyp 6th January 2011, 11:15 PM

Oh I don't know ... it doesn't sound quite so offensive to me now. Whereas The Flood ... I wish it would bloody sink!!!!! At least Shame is tongue in cheek ... The Flood is just bloody pretentious. And honestly ... I've tried to like it ... but the lyrics just totally put me off. Thank heavens that it is the weakest song on the album.

Kath

Posted by: Cleo 7th January 2011, 07:06 AM

Three really bad songs from Mr W last year.......Shame, The Flood & YKM ( all sentimental rubbish )

I wanna hear Hear & I & Dogs & Birds I guess I better get out my cd

Posted by: Jupiter9 7th January 2011, 10:02 PM

Yes

Posted by: Aphrodite 8th January 2011, 01:38 AM

Although shame didnt initially do aswell as expected and dropped quite fast in its first couple of weeks, it has stuck around the charts quite well and sales are reasonably good and to be fair to it has outsold quite a few of robbies other singles.

Posted by: 7heDreamer 8th January 2011, 06:30 AM

It still dosen't change the facts that: a) It is his worst personal single It still didn't do that well...
Shame didn't drop out of the charts after 4 weeks just because of the whole TT domination.

I just wish he had chosen any other new song (Heart and I or Dogs and Birds would have been great) instead!

Posted by: Cleo 8th January 2011, 05:58 PM

I don't care how much it sold...it's sentimental garbage with a dreadful video ...fits in nicely with the SSS & YKM videos .... more rubbish

Posted by: Aphrodite 8th January 2011, 06:33 PM

While i wouldnt say shame is the best work by any of them, in my opinion it is far from the worst and its a song i like.

Posted by: TomboOnBroadway 24th April 2018, 05:39 AM

This was such an incredible moment for pop music, Robbie and Gary reconciling after years of feuding. It remains one of my favourite Robbie songs and I love the lyrics and the sentiment behind the song. It was just a big musical moment and I like the song a lot.

Posted by: Laura130262 24th April 2018, 11:06 PM

So do I Tombo - don't think Tess shares our opinion though

Posted by: Laura130262 24th April 2018, 11:07 PM

I like the video too. It's meant to be cringey - that's the joke.

Posted by: TomboOnBroadway 24th April 2018, 11:14 PM

I find the video cute, I like the Brokeback Mountain cowboy vibes

Posted by: Sydney11 25th April 2018, 06:09 AM

O Yes, I can confirm, I hate the song


My worst nightmare , I hate it even more than YKM & that was bad

Posted by: Laura130262 25th April 2018, 11:15 PM

YKM is OK - I remember he did a really good performance of it on X Factor on the 2009 Final. He was brilliant.

and here it is



that is how to get an audience engaged. He's a master at it.

Posted by: Sydney11 26th April 2018, 08:32 AM

The lyrics are really good ....