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post Mar 5 2017, 11:07 PM
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Geri has Tweeted that she is hosting a new documentary going out next Saturday at 9pm on BBC Two. It's called "Geri's 1990s: My Drive to Freedom", and will focus on the music of that decade including, amongst other things, the Spice Girls. Should be a good watch!
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post Mar 5 2017, 11:09 PM
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Soo this comeback bombed laugh.gif

What were they thinking!!
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post Mar 5 2017, 11:50 PM
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QUOTE(Peenus Fly Trap @ Mar 5 2017, 11:09 PM) *
Soo this comeback bombed laugh.gif

What were they thinking!!


They have to do something for it to 'bomb' though? huh.gif
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post Mar 6 2017, 12:03 AM
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It bombed by it collapsing.
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post Mar 31 2017, 04:33 PM
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So Victoria is doing Carpool Karaoke with James Corden on The Late Late Show in America tonight!
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post Mar 31 2017, 07:48 PM
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^ I thought that was just for the Mannequin sketch?
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Omfg noo way!!
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post Mar 31 2017, 11:56 PM
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So Happy to be here!
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https://www.broadwayworld.com/article/Mel-C...OREVER-20170906


Mel C AKA Sporty Spice has told Gay Times that the Spice Girls have discussed a return for their West End jukebox musical Viva Forever!.

"I loved it, too," she said in response to the anger the musical isn't still running. "What happened? What went wrong?

"It was such an exciting time. I started my career in musical theatre. I went to a performing arts college, and for me to work in the West End and then have the Spice Girls musical on the West End was such a thrill.

"It sadly closed after six months, but I think, at some point, yeah - at some point, I think. The music lends itself so well to musical theatre and I just think, at some point, we will.

"It's something we talk about. We'd really love to make that work and for people, not only in London to enjoy it but tour it and take it international. We'd love to do that!"

Viva Forever! was written by Jennifer Saunders and produced by Judy Craymer. It had a short run in the West End, playing from December 2012 to June 2013.

Would you like to see it spice up your life again?
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post Sep 7 2017, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE(Jay ☆ @ Sep 7 2017, 05:24 PM) *
Would you like to see it spice up your life again?

OOH I saw a headline for this on my Facebook news feed earlier but didn't actually read the article! I would love for it to return to the West End as I never got to see it first time around sad.gif
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I never got to see it first time around so I'd be interested if it came around again. But I'd be very surprised if this actually happened after it was so critically panned and ceased happening so quickly.
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Yes it would be great if we can see Viva Forever again! Hope its come to Australian theatre to relive our childhood memories! But it need to be reworked. Judy Chaymer who created Mamma Mia said in the interview few years ago that she was pretty sure that Viva Forever would rise again at some point. smile.gif
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I saw 'Viva Forever' and enjoyed it, as I think any real fan would.

I felt that it had scope for improvement in sets and costumes, but I think that would come with a profitable run. It just lacked a bit of colour and scale.

But I also thought some of the more lyrically interesting songs were wasted as part of "TV performances". Personally, I'd like to see the TV talent show element played down a bit. It could be more of a background, like in 'Hairspray'. Or it could be changed entirely for another situation that causes the protagonist to grow/move on.

The songs worked really well for emotive themes of coming-of-age, motherhood, romance and friendship.

Everyone should watch 'Goodbye'/'Mama' medley, and the male version of 'Viva Forever' at least once.
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post Sep 11 2017, 09:54 PM
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(From The Lounge, "Songs You Can't Stand From Artists You Like" thread) -
QUOTE(ThePensmith @ Sep 11 2017, 09:07 PM) *
Spice Girls - Holler (yes I just went there. No I do not care. Everything about the 'Forever' era showed lack of direction and a bizarre desire to turn them into a halfway house between J.Lo and Destiny's Child. Which was never the point of them)


This post isn't to say you're wrong, because it's obviously your opinion, but I was just interested to give my stance on the matter. The Forever era is one of the most fascinating moments in the Spice Girls' history!


Personally I don't think Forever showed a lack of direction at all! The Spice Girls were actually very focused and determined to record an R&B album. Geri has said a couple of times in recent years that even when she was still in the group, the other girls had expressed a desire to make an R&B album - which she didn't believe would be very her.

"They wanted to make an R&B album. Am I a big R&B fan? Not really. I'm a pop writer. I felt comfortable in that genre and it felt completely alien to me to sing in that R&B style. My departure almost set them free a bit, and allowed them to make [Forever]."


I guess it's fair to say that the sound they explored on Forever was "(musically) never the point of them", but that's with the benefit of hindsight and taking into account that their pop music singles have since been embraced as iconic and defining of the 90s. At the time though, their music wasn't exactly lauded. They were only 3 years into their fame by the time it came to recording the third album, so with such a small discography they probably didn't feel that their previous sound had to be the be-all and end-all of their musical output. Also, it's worth noting that there are in fact R&B elements present on the 'Spice' album.


In 1999 there was certainly a shift towards commercial R&B becoming a major chart force. I would imagine that the girls & the label felt that R&B music would showcase progression and maturity, moving with the times... plus, combined with the fact they wanted to do it, ultimately it was a no-brainer. They were initially very excited about the Forever album, particularly because they felt they were given the opportunity to showcase their vocals more than ever before (which is certainly true, they really went to town with their vocals on most of the tracks... numerous intricate melodies & ad-libs). Maybe they probably would have been wiser to go in a StarGate direction rather than with the American producers, if they wanted some R&B-flavoured pop - but they very much enjoyed the fact they were actually in a position to be able to work with those American producers, it's ultimately what they wanted.


Personally I don't think their downturn of success is primarily because of the music (let's remember they had a #1 comeback single, and the album was still a #2, platinum success on the strength of that single alone) - but other circumstances surrounding that time. Such as, their general apathy by the time it came to release the album. They recorded most of the album in August/September 1999 (including Holler), but didn't release this music until October/November 2000. Melanie C experienced major solo success within that time, but also became increasingly depressed as well. By the time the Forever era began, she was truly over being a Spice Girl. Her behaviour was said to have taken its toll on the other girls, particularly at their Forever album launch party. Additionally, they'd probably left it a bit too long to release it. It had been 2 years since Goodbye, 3 years since Spiceworld. A decline in sales since Spiceworld was inevitable, so in that sense they were always setting themselves up for a fall - and the media loved to be able to write about their apparent failures. Them getting to #2 was a flop in the eyes of the media. It was like they weren't allowed to under-perform at all, and I think the girls bowed to that pressure, ultimately.


As for Holler itself... I actually love the song. I think it holds up well to this day as one of the best pop-flavoured R&B songs from that time. The fact it's American R&B produced obviously means it sticks out somewhat against their other singles, but whatever, in its own right it's a catchy song. Its lyrics are bold & self-assured, and therefore as Spicy as previous offerings. It also added a much needed uptempo to their run of singles (they have 7 ballads vs 6 uptempos).

Also, its existence lead to one of their very best performances, at The Return of the Spice Girls tour - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVrR4ySTnpI *_*
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QUOTE(Jay ☆ @ Sep 11 2017, 10:54 PM) *
(From The Lounge, "Songs You Can't Stand From Artists You Like" thread) -
This post isn't to say you're wrong, because it's obviously your opinion, but I was just interested to give my stance on the matter. The Forever era is one of the most fascinating moments in the Spice Girls' history!

Personally I don't think Forever showed a lack of direction at all! The Spice Girls were actually very focused and determined to record an R&B album. Geri has said a couple of times in recent years that even when she was still in the group, the other girls had expressed a desire to make an R&B album - which she didn't believe would be very her.

"They wanted to make an R&B album. Am I a big R&B fan? Not really. I'm a pop writer. I felt comfortable in that genre and it felt completely alien to me to sing in that R&B style. My departure almost set them free a bit, and allowed them to make [Forever]."

I guess it's fair to say that the sound they explored on Forever was "(musically) never the point of them", but that's with the benefit of hindsight and taking into account that their pop music singles have since been embraced as iconic and defining of the 90s. At the time though, their music wasn't exactly lauded. They were only 3 years into their fame by the time it came to recording the third album, so with such a small discography they probably didn't feel that their previous sound had to be the be-all and end-all of their musical output. Also, it's worth noting that there are in fact R&B elements present on the 'Spice' album.

In 1999 there was certainly a shift towards commercial R&B becoming a major chart force. I would imagine that the girls & the label felt that R&B music would showcase progression and maturity, moving with the times... plus, combined with the fact they wanted to do it, ultimately it was a no-brainer. They were initially very excited about the Forever album, particularly because they felt they were given the opportunity to showcase their vocals more than ever before (which is certainly true, they really went to town with their vocals on most of the tracks... numerous intricate melodies & ad-libs). Maybe they probably would have been wiser to go in a StarGate direction rather than with the American producers, if they wanted some R&B-flavoured pop - but they very much enjoyed the fact they were actually in a position to be able to work with those American producers, it's ultimately what they wanted.

Personally I don't think their downturn of success is primarily because of the music (let's remember they had a #1 comeback single, and the album was still a #2, platinum success on the strength of that single alone) - but other circumstances surrounding that time. Such as, their general apathy by the time it came to release the album. They recorded most of the album in August/September 1999 (including Holler), but didn't release this music until October/November 2000. Melanie C experienced major solo success within that time, but also became increasingly depressed as well. By the time the Forever era began, she was truly over being a Spice Girl. Her behaviour was said to have taken its toll on the other girls, particularly at their Forever album launch party. Additionally, they'd probably left it a bit too long to release it. It had been 2 years since Goodbye, 3 years since Spiceworld. A decline in sales since Spiceworld was inevitable, so in that sense they were always setting themselves up for a fall - and the media loved to be able to write about their apparent failures. Them getting to #2 was a flop in the eyes of the media. It was like they weren't allowed to under-perform at all, and I think the girls bowed to that pressure, ultimately.

As for Holler itself... I actually love the song. I think it holds up well to this day as one of the best pop-flavoured R&B songs from that time. The fact it's American R&B produced obviously means it sticks out somewhat against their other singles, but whatever, in its own right it's a catchy song. Its lyrics are bold & self-assured, and therefore as Spicy as previous offerings. It also added a much needed uptempo to their run of singles (they have 7 ballads vs 6 uptempos).

Also, its existence lead to one of their very best performances, at The Return of the Spice Girls tour - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVrR4ySTnpI *_*


Some interesting and valid reflections there! I've always thought, especially in light of the leaked pop version of "Right Back At Ya" and looking back at W.O.M.A.N, that the girls would have seen much more successful with a 3rd album that still had a lot of pop influence. With Forever, you can really tell Geri is gone - and although she wasn't the Spice Girls by herself - she certainly brought out a camp and cheeky side which was a part of their iconography.

Having said that, they were only 3 years into their careers, and it is easy to forget just how influential RnB was at the time (Destiny's Child, All Saints, Eternal, Louise, TLC, The Honeyz). They would have seen their fans growing up too, possibly moving on from pure pop to something more adult. It makes complete sense that artistically and commercially they would have gone in an RnB direction.

We'll never know if a pop based 3rd album would have fared better, Geri's solo career which was more pop-based did arguably about as well overall (her album peaked lower but she had more hit singles and equaled two No 1s in the UK). Of course, it's easy to forget that forever did well, just not as well as Spice and Spiceworld (which were truly exceptional). In some ways they were victims of their own success - they had a very tall order to 'better', and clearly were just a bit exhausted/bored by it all come time to promote Forever.

It's a shame that Forever didn't take off as much as the others as I think it was very unfairly perceived as a bit of a 'flop' and that may very well have fed into a sense that the party was over (after Forever that was it until Headlines in 2007!)... Holler was actually a GREAT comeback single - it was also a perfect idea to double A-side it with a much more 'traditional spice girls ballad... I was so nervous when it came out but off it went right to No.1!

I'd say I always preferred the pop side of the Spice Girls, but Spice had a lot of RnB influence (I've always loved Naked)... and whilst I can't say I go running to Forever it's nice to have as something different, and Holler and Let Love Lead The Way are gems in my opinion.

In conlusion: I completely agree that waiting until November 2000 to release Forever, 3 years after Spiceworld, was a huge mistake. They lost some momentum and never really got it back (even if Return of the Spice Girls was epic). If Forever had launched in 1999, RnB or pop version, I suspect it'd have hit the top-spot and had more of an impact just because the interest in the group hadn't cooled off.

Final say: The cover. I will never ever understand the cover for Forever. Just the logo by itself would have been much better.
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My problem with 'Holler' is that I find it a much weaker version to what everyone else was doing at the time. Fair enough if the girls wanted to make an R&B record, but I wish it at least sounded true to them. Before their debut, various degrees of rock and hip-hop were dominating the charts. Then comes along 'Wannabe', this loud, in-your-face, pop song that just grabs your shoulders and shakes you silly. I've always considered it has a punk spirit about it because it's just so intense and went completely against what was mainstream. For them to then release what I consider a sub-par Destiny's Child single was a sign of regression, for me. Perhaps there's better songs on the album - I've not actually listened to any Spice Girls albums - but 'Holler' is the song that represents the album and I can see why it may have been responsible for their demise. There were so many other acts doing the same sort of sound but much better, so there was nothing to draw people to their music anymore.

That said, I do agree there were other factors involved such as the girls themselves not being fully invested by the time they got round to releasing. Was there any reasons why there was such a wait for them to release their third album?
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Completely agree with you, cripesdude! wub.gif For me, the most offensive aspect of the Forever album era was its artwork... laugh.gif I can't believe they couldn't come up with something better than it. sad.gif


Liam, I'd say the main reason for the delay in releasing a third album, was them letting their solo careers get in the way!

They actually started to record third album material in 1998, but all those sessions were scrapped (bar Goodbye). The first half of 1999 saw them have a break from each other, with Mel B & Victoria giving birth earlier that year. Melanie C took the opportunity to record her debut solo album from March to August '99, but the other three girls also spent time in the studio in a solo capacity too. They regrouped in August/September 1999 to start recording together again:

2nd August 1999 - Abbey Road Studios - Stannard/Rowe
1 "Woman"
2 "Treasure"
3 "Go, Go, Go"
4 "Overnight"
5 "Too Hot"

^ All of these tracks remain unreleased and haven't leaked. Woman was performed during the Christmas in Spiceworld 1999 shows, but that was its only outing.

16th August 1999 - Steelworks Studios - Kennedy/Lever
5 "Right Back At Ya"
6 "A Day In Your Life"
7 "Give You What You Want" (Also known as "If It's Lovin' On Your Mind")
8 "Pain Proof"

^ Unreleased, but all leaked in 2015.

25th August 1999 - Whitfield Street Studios - Rodney/Fred Jerkins
9 "Holler"
10 "Let Love Lead The Way"
11 "Weekend Love"

21st September 1999 - Whitfield Street Studios - Jimmy Jam/Terry Lewis
12 "Oxygen"
13 "If You Wanna Have Some Fun"


Melanie C properly threw herself into 'Northern Star' album promo after those sessions. They had enough material for an album release, but evidently the girls/the label decided that they weren't very keen on the pop songs from their usual collaborators... so they didn't have enough material.

The Spice Girls only came together for a couple of occasions over the next 6 months. They toured for a couple of weeks in December 1999 ('Christmas in Spiceworld' - where they performed Holler for the first time), and then performed at the Brit Awards in March 2000 (also performing Holler - but their performance of it wasn't televised). They didn't start working on the Forever album again until...

10th April 2000 - Miami - Rodney/Fred Jerkins
14 "Tell Me Why"
15 "Get Down With Me"
16 "Time Goes By"


3 months later, a final session occurred...

17th July 2000 - Whitfield Street Studios - Fred Jerkins
17 "Wasting My Time"


^ Jerkins also re-worked 'Right Back at Ya' with an R&B production and new vocals.

July 2000 is when the Spice Girls finally got to work on properly beginning the era - shooting the videos for Holler & Let Love Lead The Way! They received their radio/video premieres in September 2000, and finally released the single in October, and the album in November.

Interestingly Mel B insisted that the debut album she'd been working on at the same time - Hot - was released in October 2000, colliding with the comeback. Melanie C continued to promote her own album & even embarked on a solo tour throughout the Spice Girls' promotional schedule. Their solo endeavours lead to the US promo being carried out by Emma & Victoria alone, which didn't exactly show a united front & obviously they couldn't perform there. Their US floppage was pretty inevitable!

The lack of commitment wasn't all on Melanie C & Mel B though, they were probably all to blame. Emma worked on her own solo album from July 1999 to October 2000, to eventually release it in April 2001, while Victoria also dabbled with solo recording as early as 1999, through to 2001. Summer 2000 saw her release 'Out of Your Mind', with a very intense promotional schedule!

So really, it was all quite a mess - month long gaps between recording sessions, while they all seemed to prioritise their solo work over getting a move on with the group. The time between Spiceworld & Forever was evidently very busy for them all, but allowing 3 years to pass between group album releases was unwise. I think they really should have pushed to have got it out for Quarter 4 1999 instead.

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"Overnight" is from the "Spice" Album biff confirmed January 6 2013 Twitter, maybe there are two overnight songs or a reworked version.

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Discusses her favourite & least favourite make-up looks from the Spice Girls days. For worst look, she says AMAs but she really means the VMAs in 1997 (because she's referenced this event in the past as their worst make-up look). It's not hard to see why!



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