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Posted by: Mack Apr 26 2017, 08:01 AM

A new thread to discuss everything about the Premier League.

You can find the link to Part 1 of the Premier League thread on here:

http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=190991


I think Chelsea should have the title sewn up by now.

Posted by: Silas Apr 26 2017, 08:18 AM

Will see if Spurs bottle it tonight. If they don't then it's game on for another two weeks. I do think it's Chelseas to lose though.

More intriguing is the three way battle for 3rd-5th. Tomorrow will be pivotal in that race

Posted by: Mack Apr 26 2017, 11:31 AM

I'd be amazed if there are any goals between Middlesbrough and Sunderland tonight. Both relegation fodder.

Interesting headline that has appeared today:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39716009

Posted by: Houdini Apr 26 2017, 12:09 PM

I think the other thread should have stayed open seeing as theirs only about 3-4 weeks left of the season. Nearly had the most posts in that thread but was pipped by Rooney laugh.gif


Yesterday was the biggest sign so far this season that Chelsea will win the league this season, if they were going to bottle the title then the match against Southampton is where the dropped points would have come from. They will almost certainly win their last 4 matches so even if they lose to Everton this coming weekend they will still be top at the end of the season.

I don't expect any surprises from tonight's matches but tomorrow's Manchester derby will be a very close match and I think a draw is the most likely result there.

Posted by: Rooney Apr 26 2017, 07:58 PM

QUOTE(Mack @ Apr 26 2017, 12:31 PM) *
I'd be amazed if there are any goals between Middlesbrough and Sunderland tonight. Both relegation fodder.

Interesting headline that has appeared today:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39716009


Typical West Ham, rip off the taxpayers for their stadium and also trying to rip off the tax payers again!!! tongue.gif

Chelsea are apparently been investigated too. Be interesting to see how this story develops..

Posted by: Steve201 Apr 26 2017, 11:08 PM

Not sure if I want a draw or a city win tomorrow?!

Posted by: ML Hammer95 Apr 27 2017, 09:49 AM

I think its typical for West Ham to be cutting corners and doing things on the cheap! Takes me back to Harry Redknapp spunking the Rio Ferdinand money on a bunch of misfits. laugh.gif

Although without that, we'd never have the iconic Christian Dailly chant.

Posted by: Mack Apr 27 2017, 11:59 AM

A very drab bunch of matches last night in quality.

What was that Sanchez's ode to Rivaldo about?

Posted by: Silas Apr 27 2017, 12:57 PM

Big one tonight. Manchester United vs Abu Dhabi. Some dodgy Sheiks dirty oil money. Abu Dhabi's pet money laundering project Manchester City

Posted by: mdh Apr 27 2017, 07:53 PM

Bit of a crap first half. I'd say City have got this though.

Posted by: Silas Apr 27 2017, 07:58 PM

Toure should have been sent off for that dive. Jesus Christ. There are Hollywood agents in a bidding war for his signature after that audition.

They should probably have a further 2 or 3 yellows.


We perked up at the end of the half, if we get a decent shot on target we'll score for sure as Bravo is the worst keeper in the League by a country mile. As long as we hold it together at the back, Bailly usually looking shaky.

Posted by: Mack Apr 27 2017, 08:40 PM

You stupid boy, Felliani.

Aguero making the most of that.

Posted by: Silas Apr 27 2017, 08:57 PM

URGH


Silver lining, Fellaini should get a nice suspension for that and we showed just how resilient and hard to beat we are. We gave them too much space to play their game and never really seemed in it.

Posted by: Rooney Apr 27 2017, 08:59 PM

QUOTE(Mack @ Apr 27 2017, 09:40 PM) *
You stupid boy, Felliani.

Aguero making the most of that.


You can't do that in football, absolutely stupid from Fellaini. They can't play their hoofball tactic anymore in the away games!

This battle for the top 4 is going to be terrible. It will be who can try not to be the worst out of all 4 teams. City didn't look like scoring all game and Man Utd didn't want to score. Honestly what an embarrassing performance from both sides. Tony Pulis would be proud of this Man Utd side!

Posted by: Silas Apr 27 2017, 09:01 PM

Fellaini played right into Aguero's hand who made a f***ing meal of it. Glad to see at the end while De Gea was being nice-y nice-y to the wee cheat Herrera got in between them and started having a go at Aguero.

Posted by: Rooney Apr 27 2017, 09:01 PM

QUOTE(Silas @ Apr 27 2017, 09:57 PM) *
URGH
Silver lining, Fellaini should get a nice suspension for that and we showed just how resilient and hard to beat we are. We gave them too much space to play their game and never really seemed in it.


You are screwed without Fellaini. Like him or hate him, you current tactic is 10 men behind the ball and hoof. You have no players to play that game now.

I don't think you gave them any space at all really. You let them have the ball and defended well with your team behind the ball. City had no penetration out wide or through the middle all game. They really missed Silva.

Posted by: Houdini Apr 27 2017, 09:04 PM

QUOTE(Houdini @ Mar 20 2017, 06:33 PM) *
Thursday night is strange for a Manchester derby, it probably sets up the match as a 0-0 draw.

If only I predicted this in the prediction competition, I could have got a full 5 points instead of 2........


I knew that this match was going to be a draw but I think it's a good point for United. Fellaini was an idiot to fall for Aguero's bate.



Posted by: Silas Apr 27 2017, 09:04 PM

It's absolutely not our tactic and anyone who'd watched any of our games at Burnley or Chelsea would be able to tell you that. Liverpool have played a 10 and hoof tactic more often this year than United have

Any team without Fellaini is better than any team with him in it.

Posted by: Dobbo Apr 27 2017, 09:17 PM

Yeah the sooner we ship out Fellaini the better, been a liability for a long while now.

I knew the match would be an absolute snoozefest, just as the games away at Arsenal & Spurs will be too. Thing is, we could get away with playing for the 0-0s away at the big boys if we had mopped up all the fodder at home this season.

Posted by: Silas Apr 27 2017, 09:17 PM

Watching the post-match analysis and you can see in the Carragher analysis that we were set up to take that point. No overlap by Tonio to protect the counter.

Nev is right that we missed Pogba tonight.

Posted by: Silas Apr 27 2017, 09:20 PM

QUOTE(Dobbo @ Apr 27 2017, 10:17 PM) *
Yeah the sooner we ship out Fellaini the better, been a liability for a long while now.

I knew the match would be an absolute snoozefest, just as the games away at Arsenal & Spurs will be too. Thing is, we could get away with playing for the 0-0s away at the big boys if we had mopped up all the fodder at home this season.

I'd happily organise a whip round to buy out his contract so we can just be free of the useless twat.


We tore Spurs apart at home and Arsenal really didn't deserve the point they took from that last minute equaliser so we'll see. I can't see our unbeaten run ending.

Posted by: Rooney Apr 27 2017, 09:38 PM

QUOTE(Silas @ Apr 27 2017, 10:04 PM) *
It's absolutely not our tactic and anyone who'd watched any of our games at Burnley or Chelsea would be able to tell you that. Liverpool have played a 10 and hoof tactic more often this year than United have

Any team without Fellaini is better than any team with him in it.


I respect your opinion Silas, but come on, that is absolute rubbish!! Liverpool have hoofed more than Man Utd? I can recall about 3 games where we have done that in the last 10 minutes! Man Utd could have properly gone for City today but they chose not to. There's a reason why you don't score as many goals as the other top teams.

QUOTE(Silas @ Apr 27 2017, 10:17 PM) *
Watching the post-match analysis and you can see in the Carragher analysis that we were set up to take that point. No overlap by Tonio to protect the counter.

Nev is right that we missed Pogba tonight.


You played for the point all game, that was what Mourinho set out for just like he has done in all the big away games this year. He played the percentage game as he knew you would get a chance on the counter attack at some stage. Martial practically played as a wing-back all game.

Posted by: Houdini Apr 28 2017, 12:01 AM

This top 4 battle just seems so anti-climatic in my opinion, from a league point of view I'm already looking forward to next season as this 2016/17 season feels like a write off. If Man United get into the top 4 there wont be a feeling of euphoria like you would get win you win the league.

Posted by: jark Apr 28 2017, 09:35 AM

Anticlimactic? I legitimately have no idea who will finish where between third and sixth. It could literally be any order. Right now I'd say Liverpool third, Arsenal, City, Utd sixth, but who knows? I'm loving the drama of it!

Posted by: Soy Adrián Apr 28 2017, 10:17 AM

The three games between Arsenal, Spurs and United are absolutely crucial. City SHOULD be safe for 3rd now they've had the last of their really tricky games and their record against the rest is from memory more reliable than any of the teams they're competing with. Other than that I can't call it, except that Arsenal probably need four points from their two big games (preferably with the point coming against Spurs).

Posted by: Mack Apr 28 2017, 12:08 PM

QUOTE(Soy Adrián @ Apr 28 2017, 11:17 AM) *
The three games between Arsenal, Spurs and United are absolutely crucial. City SHOULD be safe for 3rd now they've had the last of their really tricky games and their record against the rest is from memory more reliable than any of the teams they're competing with. Other than that I can't call it, except that Arsenal probably need four points from their two big games (preferably with the point coming against Spurs).

Where do you see West Ham next season?

Posted by: Soy Adrián Apr 28 2017, 05:11 PM

QUOTE(Mack @ Apr 28 2017, 01:08 PM) *
Where do you see West Ham next season?

Honestly no idea.

Posted by: Dobbo Apr 29 2017, 03:55 PM

Well Palace vs Burnley better be a shower of goals or else it'll be the worst MOTD... ever?

Sunderland officially relegated, funny how the one season they don't change their manager, this happens...

Posted by: Oliver Apr 29 2017, 04:03 PM

Valuable point there for us, hopefully we don't take the foot off the pedal against Sunderland next week. Going to be cheering for all of Manchester tomorrow! laugh.gif

Posted by: Martyn Apr 29 2017, 04:12 PM

Bye bye Premier League sad.gif

Posted by: Silas Apr 29 2017, 04:16 PM

YAY!!!! Moyes back on the Dole! cheer.gif



(I'm assuming)

Posted by: Houdini Apr 29 2017, 05:58 PM

QUOTE(Silas @ Apr 29 2017, 05:16 PM) *
YAY!!!! Moyes back on the Dole! cheer.gif
(I'm assuming)

lol, I think David Moyes would have too much money saved up to go on Job Seekers Allowance laugh.gif


This relegation has been a long time coming for Sunderland, I doubt that they will come straight back up as well.

Posted by: Silas Apr 29 2017, 06:02 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39746313


The boss is preparing a...unique defensive line up for Swansea.

Posted by: Mack Apr 29 2017, 09:30 PM

It will be the dullest MOTD of all time today.

Bye bye Moyes and Sunderland would have been relegated earlier if they didn't have Defoe.

Posted by: Houdini Apr 30 2017, 12:35 AM

Big day ahead in the Premier league on Sunday. It could be a historic and very comical day! Main thing is 3 points hopefully for Man Utd.

Posted by: Rooney Apr 30 2017, 01:00 PM

QUOTE(Houdini @ Apr 28 2017, 01:01 AM) *
This top 4 battle just seems so anti-climatic in my opinion, from a league point of view I'm already looking forward to next season as this 2016/17 season feels like a write off. If Man United get into the top 4 there wont be a feeling of euphoria like you would get win you win the league.


Man Utd are a million miles away from the league though. 1-1 again (and lucky at that).

This race for the Top 4 really is going to be who can screw up the least between the four of us laugh.gif

Posted by: Dobbo Apr 30 2017, 01:10 PM

Our entire season now is dependent on the Europa League, there is no way in a million years we're gonna go to both Arsenal & Spurs and win, especially with Carrick now having to play at centre-back.

Posted by: Rooney Apr 30 2017, 01:34 PM

QUOTE(Dobbo @ Apr 30 2017, 02:10 PM) *
Our entire season now is dependent on the Europa League, there is no way in a million years we're gonna go to both Arsenal & Spurs and win, especially with Carrick now having to play at centre-back.


Well there is still a chance Liverpool and Man City will mess up as well. But you're right, you play Celta x2, Arsenal and Spurs in the space of about 10 days. Gonna be difficult.

Posted by: Houdini Apr 30 2017, 01:48 PM

QUOTE(Houdini @ Apr 30 2017, 01:35 AM) *
Big day ahead in the Premier league on Sunday. It could be a historic and very comical day! Main thing is 3 points hopefully for Man Utd.

Well I guess the day has started in comical fashion for our rivals after another draw at home. It was a poor performance from us and this is another sign that we're probably not going to get top 4 this season. It's funny how we've currently got some Arsenal fans laughing in the comments section on our FullTimeDEVILS fan channel on YouTube, I've got everything crossed that Spurs beat them today and cancel "St Totteringham's Day"

Posted by: Rooney Apr 30 2017, 02:28 PM

QUOTE(Houdini @ Apr 30 2017, 02:48 PM) *
Well I guess the day has started in comical fashion for our rivals after another draw at home. It was a poor performance from us and this is another sign that we're probably not going to get top 4 this season. It's funny how we've currently got some Arsenal fans laughing in the comments section on our FullTimeDEVILS fan channel on YouTube, I've got everything crossed that Spurs beat them today and cancel "St Totteringham's Day"


Man City currently getting beat, told you there is loads of turns yet to go, but can't see you doing it.
You looked shattered today, just like all the other teams do.
Anyway Mourinho throwing many of his players under the bus yet again biggrin.gif Hilarious to watch.

Posted by: Silas Apr 30 2017, 03:06 PM

Meh. City only drawing at Boro is a reprieve.

0-0 would have been a more accurate result. Our penalty was a poor call and no way did they deserve that free kick. Same ref as the derby and hes a Leeds fan.

Posted by: Rooney Apr 30 2017, 04:29 PM

QUOTE(Silas @ Apr 30 2017, 04:06 PM) *
Meh. City only drawing at Boro is a reprieve.

0-0 would have been a more accurate result. Our penalty was a poor call and no way did they deserve that free kick. Same ref as the derby and hes a Leeds fan.


It's funny because you are now on your best ever unbeaten run, but you also have the most draws ever in one season (joint!). And I can see that increasing again.

Top 4 is still completely wide open. I could see Liverpool dropping points tomorrow knowing the way this season is going.

Posted by: Silas Apr 30 2017, 05:18 PM

Jose's MO is always to sort out the defence first and it's worked well but to be fair he didn't have much work to do. It's not as if we shipped in much last year.

I don't buy the fatigue excuse so much for today. Sure it's a factor that we've played 9 games on an injury impacted squad but I think it's more of a case of people not really putting a proper shift in against relegation fodder - because the Semi-Final is Thursday. De Gea just watching that free kick soar past him was infuriating, he just couldn't be arsed.


I think we're out of the top4 now, we needed a win today - especially as City drew as well. If we qualify for the final then Palace are going to play against our under 23s laugh.gif The only hope is that Liverpool continue to be Liverpool and drop points against the bottom end of the table. The only way we leap you is by winning the game in hand and matching your results.


I think I'd say the league will finish: Chelsea, Spurs, City, LPool, United, Arsenal, Everton. I think the order all depends on what United do away to Spurs and Arsenal. If we take 4 points then it's game on with Liverpool but I don't see us taking more than 2.

Posted by: Houdini Apr 30 2017, 05:34 PM

Superb performance from Tottenham in the North London Derby, we have definitely have to be wary of them in a couple of weeks time! The unbeaten run could come to an end when we play them.

Posted by: Mack May 1 2017, 07:37 PM

Nothing much happened yet between Watford and Liverpool in this match.


Posted by: Dobbo May 1 2017, 09:22 PM

Massive win that for Pool, hearts in mouths when that Prodl shot hit the bar I'm sure!

The fact that one or both of United & Arsenal will drop points next week I'd say pretty much assures them of top 4 now, unless they somehow lose all their remaining matches. I expect City will pip them to third with their easy run-in but that's a minor insignificance in the grand scheme of things.

If we can just do the business in the Europa we could have 5 English teams in the CL again.

Posted by: Rooney May 1 2017, 10:31 PM

QUOTE(Dobbo @ May 1 2017, 10:22 PM) *
Massive win that for Pool, hearts in mouths when that Prodl shot hit the bar I'm sure!

The fact that one or both of United & Arsenal will drop points next week I'd say pretty much assures them of top 4 now, unless they somehow lose all their remaining matches. I expect City will pip them to third with their easy run-in but that's a minor insignificance in the grand scheme of things.

If we can just do the business in the Europa we could have 5 English teams in the CL again.


That was such a tense moment! Typical really, we fail to deal with an aimless cross, there's a lucky bounce and it falls to one of their players! Seen at least 4/5 of those goals happen this year. Huge 3 points as while I'm not sure we will win our last 3 games, 7 points should be enough.

I just don't think Man Utd and Arsenal have enough gas in the tank. Arsenal are the team I fear the most, but I cannot see them winning all their remaining games. And Man Utd still have a difficult fixture list. Celta Vigo rested all their best players this weekend.

City should pip us to 3rd, but I expect they will also drop points, so it's anyones game still.

Posted by: Mack May 1 2017, 10:34 PM

Would say Liverpool are just about the favorites to finish 3rd. City will drop points I reckon.


Posted by: Silas May 1 2017, 10:35 PM

Only thing that makes me feel like City will be 3rd is that they've a game in hand so have a built in advantage there.

Posted by: Houdini May 1 2017, 11:14 PM

The Arsenal vs Man Utd match on Sunday will be a draw, I'm fairly confident of that. Both teams are almost as bad as each other when it comes to the league this season.

Posted by: Rooney May 1 2017, 11:30 PM

QUOTE(Silas @ May 1 2017, 11:35 PM) *
Only thing that makes me feel like City will be 3rd is that they've a game in hand so have a built in advantage there.


They have to win that game 2-0 though for them to be level with Liverpool as Liverpool have the better goals scored. Both Liverpool and Man City have favourable run-ins and both have to play teams that need the points (Palace, West Ham) to stay in the league.

Posted by: Soy Adrián May 2 2017, 09:49 AM

Luckily for City, our record against you is far better than against them recently.

Posted by: Steve201 May 2 2017, 03:43 PM

Pretty harsh on Swansea say united weren't up for it. Thought Clement played a blinder with his high pressing tactics - they really deserved to win it imo - And Silias De Gea wouldn't have got near that free kick because as usual from Gilfy it was a cracker free kick!

Posted by: Silas May 2 2017, 04:16 PM

Herrera was at that post until De Gea sent him back to the wall. My seat is behind that goal

Posted by: Rooney May 2 2017, 06:30 PM

QUOTE(Soy Adrián @ May 2 2017, 10:49 AM) *
Luckily for City, our record against you is far better than against them recently.


Yep that's the downside for us! Our record against you recently is hit and miss. That said I think we will enjoy the bigger pitch and you Carroll is out injured isn't he? He's the type of striker we struggle against.


QUOTE(Silas @ May 2 2017, 05:16 PM) *
Herrera was at that post until De Gea sent him back to the wall. My seat is behind that goal


De Gea was right to move him though. Otherwise the ball to Llorente was on which would have been a tap-in if he got it over the wall.

Posted by: Silas May 2 2017, 06:43 PM

The shot that was taken would have clocked Ander square in the face if he'd stayed there it wouldn't have gone in period. Lot more if's and maybe's with going via Llorente, ball would have had to come in at a different angle, a bit closer to De Gea and his usually impressive shot stopping ability.


I'm not saying we would have won, but keeping Ander at the back post would have decreased their likelihood of scoring

Posted by: Silas May 2 2017, 10:33 PM

Everton's Aaron Lennon was detained in Salford yesterday under the mental health act near Salford Royal Hospital! ohmy.gif

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/footballer-aaron-lennon-detained-under-12977858

Posted by: Houdini May 2 2017, 11:37 PM

QUOTE(Silas @ May 2 2017, 11:33 PM) *
Everton's Aaron Lennon was detained in Salford yesterday under the mental health act near Salford Royal Hospital! ohmy.gif

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/footballer-aaron-lennon-detained-under-12977858

This is sad to read, I hope he gets better very soon. You just know that some idiotic fans are going to lap this up in the terraces when he comes back to playing.

Posted by: Mack May 3 2017, 07:40 AM

Get well soon Aaron Lennon, stay strong.

Sad news to hear about.

Posted by: Steve201 May 3 2017, 10:36 AM

QUOTE(Silas @ May 2 2017, 05:16 PM) *
Herrera was at that post until De Gea sent him back to the wall. My seat is behind that goal


Pretty decent seats!!

Yeh I think the speed at which the ball came over Youngs head made it difficult for any keeper to react. De Gea can only really prepare for the strike at his side of the goal and Gilfy even said he was gonna do that if Herrara went into the post. At any rate we can both agree he is a fantastic set piece taker!

Posted by: Silas May 3 2017, 10:41 AM

Yeah I've got a good seat. I've a great vantage point for seeing the tactics play out

It was a stunning free kick

Posted by: Silas May 5 2017, 09:04 PM

aaaaaaaaaaaand reliable as the sun rising in the morning, Spurs have bottled it.

Posted by: Houdini May 5 2017, 09:26 PM

Chelsea only need 2 wins from their last 4 matches to win the title now so the league will be wrapped up next Friday when they play West Brom.

Posted by: ML Hammer95 May 5 2017, 10:24 PM

That was so sweet, almost made up for how mediocre the season has been!

Posted by: Rooney May 5 2017, 11:48 PM

Hence what I said in the other thread, they're missing something that makes them extra special.

Posted by: Soy Adrián May 6 2017, 12:13 PM

They looked absolutely shattered. Their game falls apart when they can't press, although we put in a great performance as well.

Posted by: Silas May 6 2017, 12:26 PM

Yeah watching on football focus this morning it looked like you held your defensive line really well for the most part.

Posted by: Silas May 6 2017, 01:53 PM

I hate to say this but...



Hey Spurs, you want to know what to do with pressure to get a result? Look at what City just did to relegation fodder.

Posted by: Dobbo May 6 2017, 06:33 PM

Absolutely massive result for Swansea, back in their own hands & with far preferable fixtures.

Posted by: Rooney May 6 2017, 07:41 PM

QUOTE(Silas @ May 6 2017, 02:53 PM) *
I hate to say this but...
Hey Spurs, you want to know what to do with pressure to get a result? Look at what City just did to relegation fodder.


Spurs were never really in the title race though, not properly. Winning 9 games in the row is a massive achievement, but never once did they have the upper hand. They were always waiting for Chelsea to slip up. But regardless, it's kinda funny. This is the best Tottenham team in ages, yet Arsenal could still finish with a trophy.

Swansea/Hull will go down to the final game, massive 3 points for Swansea. Palace play Hull next? Got to say, if Hull win that then Palace could plausibly go down. Exciting!

Posted by: Dobbo May 6 2017, 07:47 PM

If Hull win they'd still have to beat Spurs on the final day to send Palace down due to their inferior GD. Of course Spurs will be fighting for nothing then & could feasibly lose whilst Palace have to travel to the Theatre of Draws!

Posted by: Silas May 6 2017, 08:35 PM

Palace go to the theatre of draws to potentially play our u23's! If we get to Stockholm no way he plays the first XI against palace and risks yet another injury

Posted by: Silas May 6 2017, 09:21 PM

Just checking the MEN for tomorrow's squad and of the 22 that have travelled to London I count 9 academy players/grads. Pretty good for Jose allergic to youth Mourinho!

Posted by: Rooney May 6 2017, 09:41 PM

QUOTE(Silas @ May 6 2017, 10:21 PM) *
Just checking the MEN for tomorrow's squad and of the 22 that have travelled to London I count 9 academy players/grads. Pretty good for Jose allergic to youth Mourinho!


But I doubt that many will actually feature. There is no way he would trust any of them in a big game either, so even if someone does play, I doubt they will feature much in the future under Mourinho. I can't actually remember the last youth player he physically gave the chance to consistently.

The cynic in me thinks he's using this as a ploy to get a bigger transfer budget.

Posted by: Silas May 6 2017, 09:46 PM

Rashford and Lingard says hai.

One is the 3rd keeper so he won't make the squad. I can see Pogba and Rashford and maybe Lingard being rested completely so there's another 3 down. I think we could see a couple of the reserve team on the bench but he's written off top 4 allegedly so if that is true I can see it coming off. I'm not ruling out him f***ing with Wenger though.

He doesn't need a ploy Woodward has shown no fear of splashing the cash and let's be honest we can afford it we topped the rich list this year and we sold like double the shirts of anyone this year with both Pogba and Ibra which has paid for our summer spending

Posted by: Rooney May 6 2017, 11:38 PM

QUOTE(Silas @ May 6 2017, 10:46 PM) *
Rashford and Lingard says hai.

One is the 3rd keeper so he won't make the squad. I can see Pogba and Rashford and maybe Lingard being rested completely so there's another 3 down. I think we could see a couple of the reserve team on the bench but he's written off top 4 allegedly so if that is true I can see it coming off. I'm not ruling out him f***ing with Wenger though.

He doesn't need a ploy Woodward has shown no fear of splashing the cash and let's be honest we can afford it we topped the rich list this year and we sold like double the shirts of anyone this year with both Pogba and Ibra which has paid for our summer spending


Yes they're young players, but Mourinho has nothing to do with them. I was talking about him giving young players who are nobodies a chance, Mourinho never does this. Rashford and Lingard (can we really call Lingard a youngester?) are Academy graduates, but both were given their real chance consistently through Van Gaal. Mourinho never gives young players a debut with meaning. He may bring on a young player with 5 minutes to go, but there is no way he would start with them.

I have no doubt you will spend heaps of money regardless this summer. You can afford to, but it's not linked to the shirt sales. From my understanding of the way the sponsorship deals work these days, the revenue from shirt sales to the club is very little, if anything. Adidas gain all the money from this, which is why I believe it's important for Man Utd to reach the CL this year as I think you lose £20m if you don't from the deal.

Posted by: Steve201 May 7 2017, 10:00 AM

Pretty harsh analysis of Spurs here they were always behind Chelsea and that's why Chelsea will win the league because of their huge lead and great middle portion of the season. The Potch has created a great team to watch and I hope Spurs are rewarded with a trophy at some stage in the coming years. Hope they keep their best players too as it's the second season they have punched above their weight and are consistently getting in the top 4 now which is a good thing.

Posted by: Houdini May 7 2017, 12:07 PM

Today's match between Arsenal & Man Utd is pointless to be honest, it's just banter between rival fans that is at stake today. As for Champions League qualification it's clear that we've got all our eggs into the Europa League frying pan and Arsenal are probably thinking more about the FA Cup final.

I just realised that Middlesbrough will be officially relegated tomorrow if they lose to Chelsea after Swansea beat Everton.


QUOTE(Steve201 @ May 7 2017, 11:00 AM) *
Pretty harsh analysis of Spurs here they were always behind Chelsea and that's why Chelsea will win the league because of their huge lead and great middle portion of the season. The Potch has created a great team to watch and I hope Spurs are rewarded with a trophy at some stage in the coming years. Hope they keep their best players too as it's the second season they have punched above their weight and are consistently getting in the top 4 now which is a good thing.

I agree with this, you cant really say that Tottenham bottled it when they never got to top spot at any stage of this season. It's the same scenario as last season, they were always behind the leaders. 2nd place is what Tottenham bottled last season in spectacular fashion!

Posted by: Rooney May 7 2017, 03:27 PM

Liverpool were absolute dog poo today. We look defensively sound, but we could be playing for another 48 hours and we would not score Hats off to the officials too who got all the calls wrong for both sides! Top 4 will go to the wire.

Also for a supposed B side, this Man Utd side is still really good. Not like Mourinho to have a moan!

Posted by: Silas May 7 2017, 03:55 PM

Says a lot that half our B-Squad are England internationals

Posted by: Soy Adrián May 7 2017, 04:37 PM

Arsenal are right back in the top 4 hunt if it stays like this.

Posted by: Houdini May 7 2017, 04:59 PM

Meh. I'm not even disappointed that we lost today, the league has been a write off for a while now. Europa League victory is the only thing that matters for the rest of the season. Arsenal can have the historic 5th place if they want it.

Posted by: Silas May 7 2017, 05:08 PM

We didn't even try to win we just playing down the clock in the league until the Europa League final. The Xhaka shot was fantastic, quality goal that.


Axel played so well. Great to see two debut's for the first team today. Palace defo playing our reserves coz they better than half the bloody first team on today's evidence.

Posted by: Steve201 May 7 2017, 08:53 PM

Would be good to win all the European trophies too - gutted Liverpool can't win the cup winners cup!!

Posted by: Dobbo May 7 2017, 10:13 PM

Shame to see our incredibly underwhelming unbeaten run come to end but it was bound to happen before the season ended. Herrera at fault for that first goal gotta be braver than that. Thought Tuanzebe had a great game didn't give Alexis a sniff! But credit to Arsenal they got the job done there.

Posted by: Mart!n May 8 2017, 10:57 AM

Arsenal have to win the remaining 4 games, Arsenal play away to Southampton on Weds and could go above Man Utd. Slim possibility Arsenal can finish 3rd or 4th, if Liverpool and Man City come unstuck with their remaining fixtures.

Big match on Sunday Spurs against Man Utd, oooh toughie, I'm not holding my breath for a Man Utd win unfortunately... sorry... since Spurs are playing at home.

Posted by: Mack May 8 2017, 12:01 PM

The most unremarkable unbeaten record is over.

What was that hugs and shaking hands all about in the tunnel?

Posted by: Houdini May 8 2017, 02:53 PM

N'Golo Kante is on the verge of winning the Premier League in consecutive seasons with two different teams after winning with Leicester last season. Is there any other players who have done this? I can't think of any!

Posted by: Dobbo May 8 2017, 05:52 PM

I guess Mark Schwarzer technically when he in the squad for Chelsea 2 seasons ago then Leicester last year, he didn't win any medals though as he didn't make the minimum required appearances.

Before him you have to go back to Cantona who won the last First Division with Leeds then the first Premiership with United.

Posted by: Rooney May 8 2017, 06:01 PM

QUOTE(Soy Adrián @ May 7 2017, 05:37 PM) *
Arsenal are right back in the top 4 hunt if it stays like this.


I think it is too much for them. They have a chance, but they will need to win all their remaining games and hope Liverpool/Man City drop points (certain possibility).

Posted by: Mack May 8 2017, 10:17 PM

Middlesbrough has been relegated, no surprise there. Their defence policy backfired in the first half of the season relied too much on Negardo and Valdes.

The title beckons then for Chelsea barring some strange results.


Posted by: Mack May 9 2017, 11:50 AM

I hope we don't have another situation where everything in the Premier League has been already decided before the final day of the season with nothing left to play for...

Posted by: Silas May 9 2017, 11:55 AM

I can't see Chelsea losing their next two matches

Final relegation spot and 3rd and 4th look like they could go down to the wire

Posted by: Steve201 May 9 2017, 11:18 PM

Wonder how long Valdez & Negredo will stay at Boro for now they're relegated?

Posted by: Houdini May 10 2017, 10:42 PM

We're back in 6th place and the banter has already started laugh.gif, being 5th and 6th is equally useless to be honest so why anyone would celebrate climbing up to 5th place is beyond me laugh.gif


We could be bottom of the table but that wouldn't change the fact that if we win two more matches in Europe then we'll get a trophy that we've never won before and automatic Champions League qualification.

Posted by: Silas May 10 2017, 10:53 PM

Don't have to win. A draw will take us through...

Posted by: Mack May 11 2017, 11:38 AM

QUOTE(Steve201 @ May 10 2017, 12:18 AM) *
Wonder how long Valdez & Negredo will stay at Boro for now they're relegated?

Not very long, I shouldn't think.

We only need to draw to go through.

It's going to go down to the wire between Liverpool, Man City & Arsenal for third, fourth and fifth if Liverpool and Man City slip up that would make it interesting.


Posted by: Steve201 May 11 2017, 10:34 PM

Yeh which annoys me English players proven in the championship like Nugent and Rhodes don't get a chance instead they bring in overpaid players from other leagues as soon as they get promoted!

Posted by: Dobbo May 12 2017, 09:11 PM

Congrats to Chelsea, was pretty much nailed on from about January but even so. Almost as impressive a climb as Leicester from 14th too.

Now let's see how they cope with European football and if the players turn into snakes again!

Posted by: Silas May 12 2017, 09:21 PM

Hardly impressive as 10th wasn't a real result for Chelsea last year!

Posted by: Mack May 12 2017, 09:29 PM

Congratulations to Chelsea another showing of the rat, Terry lifting the trophy. Was there crowd trouble at all, heard something that there was.

Now don't turn into snakes now Chelsea and please not another false dawn in Terry leaving the club.


Posted by: Rooney May 12 2017, 09:57 PM

Congrats to Chelsea. I really like Conte, he's a good football guy.

That spell where they won 13 games in a row really won it for them as they were unspectacular before that. It will be interesting to see what happens in the summer, I think they will keep the brunt of their squad (Courtious, Costa, Hazard the question marks) and invest in 2-3 great players. I fancy them to do well in the Champions League next year.

Posted by: TroyTempest May 12 2017, 10:17 PM

Chelsea did do something right to win the title. Barkley will leave Everton.

Posted by: Soy Adrián May 12 2017, 10:56 PM

QUOTE(Silas @ May 12 2017, 10:21 PM) *
Hardly impressive as 10th wasn't a real result for Chelsea last year!

I suppose 6th to 1st would be an outstanding achievement, though.

Posted by: Silas May 12 2017, 11:23 PM

manson.gif

My point, quite f***ing obviously, was that context is important. The 2015 champions going from 10th back to 1st with fundamentally the same team because their players are snakes and their performance was deflated in 2016 as a direct result of their players actions is not impressive, it just further underlines their shitty actions last season.


6th to 1st would not be an "outstanding achievement" for United. 6th is an underperformance - not that we're winning the league next season anyway.
6th to 1st for last year's 6th placed team Southampton would be an "outstanding achievement".

Once more, context is king.

Posted by: Rooney May 12 2017, 11:34 PM

QUOTE(TroyTempest @ May 12 2017, 11:17 PM) *
Chelsea did do something right to win the title. Barkley will leave Everton.


Another average overhyped player player who has never kicked on. Lukaku will go in the summer too. Everton will be lost biggrin.gif

Posted by: Houdini May 13 2017, 01:42 PM

Chelsea deserved to win the league and it was never really in doubt since December, if Antonio Conte thinks it's going to be this easy every season then he will have another thing coming from next season onwards.


I'm glad Man City got the win just now against Leicester, hopefully Stoke will win today and Liverpool will win tomorrow. I want Arsenal to finish 5th and feel the humiliation of being the ONLY team in the top six to fail to qualify for next season's Champions League providing that we win the Europa League final. That will shut up the Arsenal fans that have been saying "6th", "Europa League club" to us all season long.

Posted by: Rooney May 13 2017, 04:05 PM

QUOTE(Houdini @ May 13 2017, 02:42 PM) *
Chelsea deserved to win the league and it was never really in doubt since December, if Antonio Conte thinks it's going to be this easy every season then he will have another thing coming from next season onwards.
I'm glad Man City got the win just now against Leicester, hopefully Stoke will win today and Liverpool will win tomorrow. I want Arsenal to finish 5th and feel the humiliation of being the ONLY team in the top six to fail to qualify for next season's Champions League providing that we win the Europa League final. That will shut up the Arsenal fans that have been saying "6th", "Europa League club" to us all season long.


The thing is Arsenal love 4th place. This is why as a Liverpool fan I am really nervous, we have it within ourselves to majorly screw up. The only thing that gives me hope is Arsenal have never beaten Stoke away. And that said if you look at our form against the other teams, we're grinding out wins. But Everton will roll over for them on the last day of the season so they only really need to win their next two games.

Posted by: Rooney May 13 2017, 06:32 PM

QUOTE(Rooney @ May 13 2017, 05:05 PM) *
The thing is Arsenal love 4th place. This is why as a Liverpool fan I am really nervous, we have it within ourselves to majorly screw up. The only thing that gives me hope is Arsenal have never beaten Stoke away. And that said if you look at our form against the other teams, we're grinding out wins. But Everton will roll over for them on the last day of the season so they only really need to win their next two games.


There you go, Arsenal will get 4th now. No room to slip up for Liverpool and I think we will.

Posted by: Mack May 13 2017, 06:38 PM

I think Mark Hughes could be gone at the end of the season as Stoke manager. Stoke could be in danger next season for relegation.


Posted by: Houdini May 13 2017, 11:37 PM

QUOTE(Rooney @ May 13 2017, 05:05 PM) *
The thing is Arsenal love 4th place. This is why as a Liverpool fan I am really nervous, we have it within ourselves to majorly screw up. The only thing that gives me hope is Arsenal have never beaten Stoke away. And that said if you look at our form against the other teams, we're grinding out wins. But Everton will roll over for them on the last day of the season so they only really need to win their next two games.

I've got a feeling that Liverpool will bottle it as well, you have to beat West Ham because Arsenal will almost certainly win their last two matches against Sunderland and Everton. A lot of Man Utd fans, possibly the majority would rather Liverpool miss out than Arsenal but for me the novelty of watching the top 4 merchants play on Thursdays will be too funny to resist and it will serve those Arsenal fans that I mentioned before right.

Posted by: Rooney May 14 2017, 03:19 PM

QUOTE(Houdini @ May 14 2017, 12:37 AM) *
I've got a feeling that Liverpool will bottle it as well, you have to beat West Ham because Arsenal will almost certainly win their last two matches against Sunderland and Everton. A lot of Man Utd fans, possibly the majority would rather Liverpool miss out than Arsenal but for me the novelty of watching the top 4 merchants play on Thursdays will be too funny to resist and it will serve those Arsenal fans that I mentioned before right.


Thankfully only one banana skin to go now.. Boro! We were the better side by far but got a bit of luck (Ayew should have scored and that 3rd goal should never have stood really.. West Ham should probably have had a penalty..) along the way.

I imagine there are quite a lot of Arsenal fans that don't want Arsenal to finish in the Top 4 - as it means Wenger is less likely to stay!

Posted by: Silas May 14 2017, 04:01 PM

I don't even care anymore. So many united players demonstrating yet again why they aren't fit to wear the shirt. Fire sale in the summer please

Posted by: Soy Adrián May 14 2017, 04:17 PM

We were in equal parts unlucky and completely abject there. Our heads completely went as soon as you broke away for the third goal.

After ending Tottenham's title hopes, it was clearly one favour too many for Arsenal today. Assuming Boro won't be much of a problem if yesterday was anything to go by.

Posted by: Rooney May 14 2017, 04:46 PM

QUOTE(Silas @ May 14 2017, 05:01 PM) *
I don't even care anymore. So many united players demonstrating yet again why they aren't fit to wear the shirt. Fire sale in the summer please


You have the same problem Liverpool had for many, many years. Lots of average players. But even with a stronger team I still think Spurs would beat you today.

QUOTE(Soy Adrián @ May 14 2017, 05:17 PM) *
We were in equal parts unlucky and completely abject there. Our heads completely went as soon as you broke away for the third goal.

After ending Tottenham's title hopes, it was clearly one favour too many for Arsenal today. Assuming Boro won't be much of a problem if yesterday was anything to go by.


Yeah we really could have scored 5/6. We hit the bar 3/4 times as well. We were properly up for it today, but West Ham were in holiday mode. Thankfully Antonio and Carroll were injured, otherwise it would probably have been a different game. Boro could be a problem as our home form recently is pretty average. But we know we have to win really, so I expect a proper performance.

Posted by: Houdini May 14 2017, 05:20 PM

Hull are relegated after losing 4-0 to Crystal Palace, this means that the only issue which could potentially go to the last day is fourth place which is what happened in the 2012/13 season. It looks like it could be quite an uneventful day next weekend.

Posted by: Houdini May 14 2017, 06:10 PM

I knew that we would lose today, I didn't even bother watching the match because it's not important and I couldn't be bothered to search for a stream to watch it on. If this was season mode on FIFA then these last few league matches would get a quick sim and just skip straight to the 24th of May.

Posted by: Silas May 14 2017, 06:34 PM

We finally scored an away goal at a top 6 team!!

Ended up watching the whole thing. Some good points with Martial playing well and the subs made a good impact. On the flip side this really proved that the whole strong squad thing is a complete myth we need a fire sale. Rooney, Smalling and Jones can all go immediately.

Posted by: Rooney May 14 2017, 07:39 PM

QUOTE(Silas @ May 14 2017, 07:34 PM) *
We finally scored an away goal at a top 6 team!!

Ended up watching the whole thing. Some good points with Martial playing well and the subs made a good impact. On the flip side this really proved that the whole strong squad thing is a complete myth we need a fire sale. Rooney, Smalling and Jones can all go immediately.


You have a strong squad imo. The problem is your 1st team could do with a few additions and Mourinho's attitude to games. I think if he actually set you up to attack the top teams, you have the players to cause problems. Think it's funny as if this was Moyes or Van Gaal there would be hell breaking loose!

Posted by: Silas May 14 2017, 08:06 PM

It is starting to in parts of the fandom but they need to get a grip.

The difference between the Moyes/Van Gaal era's is that outside of the negative set-ups vs the top6, we have by and large been playing much better football than at any point over the three proceeding seasons.

Posted by: Mack May 15 2017, 07:56 AM

Another season where the title race and the relegation battle doesn't go until the final day of the season.


Posted by: Dobbo May 15 2017, 04:07 PM

Fantastic to see Swansea survive, what an amazing job Paul Clement has done there!

I do feel a bit for Silva & Hull though, he also did remarkably well to keep the fight going on as long as it did.

Yeah another damp squib of a Premier League finale this season.

Posted by: Silas May 15 2017, 05:01 PM

Yup. The final weekend is going to be the battle for 3rd/4th/5th. I can't see it changing from the Net Positions (ie City winning game in hand to take them to 3rd) unless one of City or Liverpool f*** up royally on their remaining games and Arsenal don't.

I think it'll be 5 wins from 5 for those three so Arsenal face Europa.


With Palace safe the starting XI for Stockholm will 100% be no where near the pitch or bench for that match. We can't go down to 7th and the EFL cup already secured us Europa for next year so we've literally f*** all reason to waste players against palace.


Battle for 8th might be interesting. With the winner of the FA Cup getting European football through league a Europa spot drops to 7th and if United win then their EFL Europa spot goes to 8th. West Brom could make Europe!!

Posted by: Rooney May 15 2017, 10:08 PM

There is the battle for 3rd and 4th. Not sure Watford and Boro will just roll over for Man City and Liverpool. I expect Everton to fully roll-over, but it could be a tense/nervy afternoon..

Posted by: Silas May 16 2017, 10:00 PM

Not really, more of a battle for 4th. City are now certain of CL football and need a point for 3rd regardless of other results. Battle is between Pool and Arsenal. As long as Pool match Arsenals result then you get 4th (3rd if you win and city somehow lose - Arsenal then certain for 5th regardless as their GD is inferior to City)

Right now the top 7 are in their final positions I reckon. If Soton win tomorrow (possibility given the half strength team we've sent) then they'll have 8th sorted I think. If we beat soton (can't see it) then a potential Europa spot is what is up for grabs on the last day other than pride. Three way scrap for it between Soton, West Brom and Bournemouth. I'd love it to go to Bournemouth personally!


United offered me a ticket to Soton away this morning despite being 2 years and 2 games off eligibility. Mid week rescheduled game on south coast with nowt to play for. Not surprised tbh

Posted by: Dobbo May 16 2017, 10:07 PM

I don't believe 8th place get Europa actually. Remember reading about it somewhere, I think only 7 teams maximum from one league can get European football. Might be wrong but that would explain why West Brom have been on the beach since Christmas.

If Arsenal draw 1-1 & Liverpool lose 2-0 there would be a play-off for the final CL spot. Could you imagine!

Posted by: Houdini May 16 2017, 10:09 PM

We've mathematically secured 6th place now after tonight's results. It's only positions 3rd - 5th that have not been guaranteed yet within the top 7.

Posted by: Dobbo May 16 2017, 10:14 PM

Well, at the very least that's now finishing in every position in the top 7 in the PL ticked off laugh.gif

Posted by: Silas May 16 2017, 10:15 PM

QUOTE(Dobbo @ May 16 2017, 11:07 PM) *
I don't believe 8th place get Europa actually. Remember reading about it somewhere, I think only 7 teams maximum from one league can get European football. Might be wrong but that would explain why West Brom have been on the beach since Christmas.

If Arsenal draw 1-1 & Liverpool lose 2-0 there would be a play-off for the final CL spot. Could you imagine!

Really? Interesting! I knew it was capped for the CL to 5, didn't realise the association had a cap on Europa too. Guess it stops it being dominated by one association.

Play off would be class

Posted by: Silas May 16 2017, 10:16 PM

QUOTE(Dobbo @ May 16 2017, 11:14 PM) *
Well, at the very least that's now finishing in every position in the top 7 in the PL ticked off laugh.gif

Let's not try for every spot in top 10 laugh.gif

Posted by: Houdini May 16 2017, 10:16 PM

To be honest we deserve to finish 6th, we made that position our home for the majority of the season laugh.gif, it reminds me of when we were in 7th place for months during the David Moyes season and we ended up finishing there.

Posted by: Mack May 17 2017, 10:44 AM

The battle for 4th on the final day between Liverpool and Arsenal. I'll be surprised if Liverpool lost to Boro.

Posted by: Silas May 17 2017, 07:32 PM

Romero is the one true god

Posted by: Silas May 17 2017, 07:41 PM

That was never a penalty tho. It's like 3 yards outside the box. Right call on the handball though. Fab save by Romero

Apparently he's save 30% of the penalties he's faced in his career.

Posted by: Mack May 18 2017, 12:59 PM

Watford will be looking for a new manager on Sunday after Mazzarri is going.

Posted by: Rooney May 18 2017, 07:46 PM

QUOTE(Mack @ May 18 2017, 01:59 PM) *
Watford will be looking for a new manager on Sunday after Mazzarri is going.


No surprise really, he fell out with a lot of the key squad (mainly Deeney). My guess is they will go for Ranieri...

Posted by: Steve201 May 20 2017, 12:35 PM

It's always sad in the final weekend of the season imo

Posted by: Dobbo May 20 2017, 01:06 PM

Yeah I'll miss Premier League football at the weekend but on the other hand I've felt this season has been pretty underwhelming on the whole with the title pretty much sewn up by Christmas & no exciting relegation battle. Already looking forward to all the ridiculous transfers throughout the Summer!

Posted by: Houdini May 20 2017, 02:11 PM

I feel the same way about the last weekend of the season, thinking about the possible standard of weekend television in June & July is already giving me withdrawal symptoms laugh.gif and there is no major international tournament this year either to make things worse.


I think it's ultimately for the best though speaking as a Man Utd fan and as a general football fan. Every team will have a fresh start in August to try to improve from where they went wrong this season, I really hope that whatever happens next season that it will be more competitive in all areas of the league and if it's possible that issues in all areas of the table go to the last match like it did in 2011-12.

Posted by: Steve201 May 21 2017, 12:21 AM

The final World Cup qualifiers aren't until 12th June then we have the Confederations Cup from the 17th of that month!

Posted by: Houdini May 21 2017, 03:49 PM

Tottenham 7-1 Hull rotf.gif

Posted by: Dobbo May 21 2017, 03:49 PM

One thing you can always rely on last day is a TON of goals.

Hull & Watford both absolutely embarrassing today!

Posted by: Rooney May 21 2017, 03:55 PM

Bizarre final day. Watford and Hull just rolled open.

Very pleasing to win the 4th place trophy! Hopefully we get a good draw in the qualifying stages.

Posted by: Silas May 21 2017, 04:54 PM

Cracking debut for a tonne of United players today! Fab to see Gomes get a debut after winning u18 player of the year at the POTY awards. Fab goal by Harup. Mitchell and McTominay performed commendably. One of our best performances for months though we understandably tired towards the end with more than half the team being academy grads and a massive chunk of debuts

Posted by: Mack May 21 2017, 05:30 PM

Champione ole ole ole who started that chant?

Controversial John Terry lifting the trophy, wtf was that guard of honour from Sunderland in the 26th minute. Is this surely we see for the final time of it?

Posted by: Houdini May 21 2017, 07:05 PM

Leicester broke the record set by Chelsea last season for worst defence of a Premier League title after finishing 12th.

Posted by: Mack May 22 2017, 12:16 PM

In your view who do you think deserves these from this season in your opinion:

Best Player:
Best Game:
Best Manager
Best Goal:
Best Signing:
Worst Flop:

Posted by: Rooney May 22 2017, 06:09 PM

QUOTE(Mack @ May 22 2017, 01:16 PM) *
In your view who do you think deserves these from this season in your opinion:

Best Player: Kante
Best Game: Arsenal 3-4 Liverpool
Best Manager: Antonio Conte
Best Goal: Emre Can vs Watford
Best Signing: Kante / Mane
Worst Flop: Janssen (tho Pogba runs him close..)


Posted by: Dobbo May 22 2017, 06:23 PM

QUOTE(Mack @ May 22 2017, 01:16 PM) *
Best Player: Sanchez
Best Game: Swansea 5-4 Palace
Best Manager: Howe
Best Goal: Carroll vs Palace
Best Signing: Kante
Worst Flop: Zaza


Posted by: Martyn May 22 2017, 06:40 PM

Are we still in the Premier League? I will say yes, for now. Moyes has quit as Sunderland manager. (I assume because he doesn't want to manage a Championship club.) I suspect the Hull manager will follow suit based on what he has said.

Posted by: Houdini May 22 2017, 06:51 PM

David Moyes statement: "I would like to thank Ellis Short and the Board for giving me the opportunity to manage Sunderland and the fans for always being so passionately supportive of their club."

Inner David Moyes: I've ruined Man United, Real Sociedad and now Sunderland. My work here is done! (laugh.gif)



On a serious note his reputation as a manager is severely diminishing with each new role that he is given, if he stayed at Everton then none of this would have happened probably because they were a stable club while he was there although it looks like Everton have improved since he left.




Posted by: Suedehead2 May 22 2017, 06:52 PM

QUOTE(Mack @ May 21 2017, 06:30 PM) *
Champione ole ole ole who started that chant?

Controversial John Terry lifting the trophy, wtf was that guard of honour from Sunderland in the 26th minute. Is this surely we see for the final time of it?

That guard of honour was utterly ridiculous. The referee should have booked the whole team for time-wasting. I hope the powers that be make it very clear that it will not be allowed to happen again.

Posted by: Silas May 22 2017, 06:54 PM

I can't believe Moyes has resigned. What a f***ing failure of a human. Like who does he think will take him???

Posted by: Houdini May 22 2017, 06:55 PM

QUOTE(Mack @ May 22 2017, 01:16 PM) *
In your view who do you think deserves these from this season in your opinion:

Best Player:
Best Game:
Best Manager
Best Goal:
Best Signing:
Worst Flop:


Best Player: Kante
Best Game: Swansea 5-4 Crystal Palace (I imagine that it was an amazing experience watching this match live in the stadium)
Best Manager: Antonio Conte
Best Goal: Emre Can vs Watford
Best Signing: Kante
Worst Flop: Zaza

Posted by: Silas May 22 2017, 06:59 PM

CAN!?!?! Ya dirty Scouser! tongue.gif


Mkhitaryan v Sunderland on Boxing Day clearly best goal. The fact that it was 'offside' and it still winds up the ABUs 5 months on is what really makes it truly special.

Posted by: Soy Adrián May 22 2017, 07:12 PM

It's more that Giroud's technique was better anyway.

Best Player: Hazard
Best Game: Swansea 5-4 Crystal Palace
Best Manager: Antonio Conte
Best Goal: Emre Can vs Watford (as much as I love Carroll, this one defied physics more)
Best Signing: Batshuayi. biggrin.gif Kante, although in terms of value for money there's probably others and Jesus looks like it in the long run
Worst Flop: Zaza, obviously. Gokhan Tore runs him close

Posted by: Houdini May 22 2017, 07:41 PM

I went for Can because the technique of his goal was better than Mkhitaryan's in my opinion. He hit the overhead kick first time while keeping his eye on the ball and running almost backwards the whole time.

Posted by: Mack May 22 2017, 10:10 PM

QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ May 22 2017, 07:52 PM) *
That guard of honour was utterly ridiculous. The referee should have booked the whole team for time-wasting. I hope the powers that be make it very clear that it will not be allowed to happen again.

Interesting that people have won thousands over this in bets.


Posted by: Rooney May 22 2017, 10:26 PM

Emre Can's goal was amazing. There have been some great goals scored this year, but the technique displayed that that particular goal is something else. Carroll's was also unreal but Can's tops it for me as his goal almost defies physics!

And yes John Terry's guard of honor was a complete farce. Only John Terry could have thought of that. I suppose he probably is the club; most decorated player ever though...

Posted by: Dobbo May 22 2017, 10:34 PM

Chelsea did something similar a couple of seasons ago with Drogba where the team carried him off the pitch during the first half (coincidentally also against Sunderland). Don't think anything came of that so doubt it will here.

Posted by: TroyTempest May 22 2017, 10:35 PM

QUOTE(Mack @ May 22 2017, 01:16 PM) *
In your view who do you think deserves these from this season in your opinion:

Best Player: Hazard
Best Game: Swansea 5-4 Palacd
Best Manager: Klopp
Best Goal: Can vs Watford
Best Signing: Kante
Worst Flop: Zaza


Posted by: Mack May 23 2017, 12:10 PM

Best Player: Kane
Best Game: Bournemouth 4-3 Liverpool
Best Manager: Eddie Howe
Best Goal: Mkhitaryan v Sunderland on Boxing Day
Best Signing: Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Worst Flop: Zaza

Posted by: Mack May 23 2017, 08:23 PM

Allardyce has resigned as Crystal Palace manager:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40021059

Posted by: Mack May 24 2017, 12:51 PM

Chelsea have cancelled their victory parade on Sunday because of the tragic events in Manchester on Monday night.


Posted by: Mack May 26 2017, 07:55 AM

Hull's Marco Silva has resigned as manager fuelling rumours he'll take over at Watford:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40043130

Posted by: Houdini May 28 2017, 06:36 PM

I've seen a lot of debate about this over the past few days so I'll ask the question here. Out of the top 6 teams who had the best season?

My order would be:

1. Chelsea
2. Manchester United
3. Tottenham
4. Manchester City
5. Liverpool
6. Arsenal

Chelsea undoubtedly had the best season so I would have them at first. I put Man Utd in second because they achieved the same goal of qualifying for the Champions League as the teams who finished 2nd-4th but they also won 2 trophies (3 if you include the Community Shield). 3rd to 6th in my list is according to the who finished higher in the Premier League, if Liverpool somehow manage to fail at the Play Off round in the Champions League then Arsenal would have had a better season than them in hindsight because they won a trophy and Liverpool didn't.


This does raise the debate over which is better, top 4 + no trophies or outside the top 4 + trophy/trophies. There has been a lot of abuse thrown at Tottenham lately for having their best season in decades but not winning anything.

Posted by: jark May 28 2017, 08:04 PM

United had a terrible season. Yes they won Europa, via a grand total of zero memorable games or performances and some real crap opponents, but I don't know if anyone could honestly recall a single occasion in 2017 on which United played with any verve or zest. They're crushingly boring to watch. Football is more than just a position in a table, it's being entertained for 90 minutes every week, and United comprehensively failed to deliver that.

Posted by: Dobbo May 28 2017, 09:08 PM

Well no, we had an extremely underwhelming league season no denying that but by becoming so hard to beat that paid off in the cup competitions too. Jose rightfully had a lot of critics this season but to win 2 big trophies in his first year at the club & achieve the absolute minimum target of CL qualification - it's been a fantastic season. Sure, Spurs for example scored practically twice as many goals as us but who will remember a team that so far in its current era has won absolutely nothing?

Posted by: Houdini May 29 2017, 12:18 AM

It definitely wasn't a terrible season for Man Utd, in the league it was disappointing no doubt about that but as a whole it was successful. It doesn't matter whether there were no memorable games or whether there were crap opponents, you beat the team is put in front of you. Not many English teams can say that they've won the Europa League recently or ever in their entire history and it's not likely that the trophy will stay in England next year either.


Chelsea who won the league this season didn't play with much verve or zest either but they managed to get results week by week. Tottenham were the team who played the most attractive football this season and ended up empty handed in terms of trophies but still qualified automatically for the Champions League.

Posted by: ML Hammer95 May 29 2017, 08:32 AM

Simone Zaza was just funny! Went to one game at Old Trafford and he had a shot from just outside the area.

Went out for a throw in.


Posted by: Steve201 May 29 2017, 09:23 AM

Hahaha listening to the comments from Man United fans above is hilarious and the posts are made with a complete lack of context! For the self proclaimed biggest club in the world to come 6th and play football which is t in their tradition at all isn't great imo. I mean if fergie was still the boss and this was 10 years ago do you think 6th for a second successive year would be good enough?? Of course you can only beat who is put in front of you in the cups and you need a slice of luck in them but that doesn't mean it's good enough for man united, a club that can splash 90m on a player they sold 5 years previous for less than 10m, come on!!

Posted by: Rooney May 29 2017, 03:28 PM

QUOTE(Steve201 @ May 29 2017, 10:23 AM) *
Hahaha listening to the comments from Man United fans above is hilarious and the posts are made with a complete lack of context! For the self proclaimed biggest club in the world to come 6th and play football which is t in their tradition at all isn't great imo. I mean if fergie was still the boss and this was 10 years ago do you think 6th for a second successive year would be good enough?? Of course you can only beat who is put in front of you in the cups and you need a slice of luck in them but that doesn't mean it's good enough for man united, a club that can splash 90m on a player they sold 5 years previous for less than 10m, come on!!


Totally, Man Utd fans are fully 'Josefied' now tongue.gif He makes one of the biggest clubs in the world sound like they're hard done by, it's hilarious. Man Utd had a great season, winning two trophies is excellent, but the trophies just cover up the cracks imo.

Liverpool and Spurs both had great seasons. Okay no trophies won, but the improvement from last year is there for all to see. I think we ended up with something like 14 extra points compared to last year, that is magnificent. But still room for improvement.

Infact all the Top 6 have had OK seasons bar probably Man City who have stood slightly static compared to last season, but I expect they will push on now.

Posted by: Cassidy May 29 2017, 04:55 PM

#WELCOMEHUDDERSFIELD

Posted by: Steve201 May 29 2017, 05:16 PM

Well done Huddersfield indeed - when were they last in the top division? 1974!?

Favs for relegation regularly in the championship the manager really has turned them around!!

Posted by: Houdini May 29 2017, 05:38 PM

QUOTE(Steve201 @ May 29 2017, 10:23 AM) *
Hahaha listening to the comments from Man United fans above is hilarious and the posts are made with a complete lack of context! For the self proclaimed biggest club in the world to come 6th and play football which is t in their tradition at all isn't great imo. I mean if fergie was still the boss and this was 10 years ago do you think 6th for a second successive year would be good enough?? Of course you can only beat who is put in front of you in the cups and you need a slice of luck in them but that doesn't mean it's good enough for man united, a club that can splash 90m on a player they sold 5 years previous for less than 10m, come on!!



QUOTE(Rooney @ May 29 2017, 04:28 PM) *
Totally, Man Utd fans are fully 'Josefied' now tongue.gif He makes one of the biggest clubs in the world sound like they're hard done by, it's hilarious. Man Utd had a great season, winning two trophies is excellent, but the trophies just cover up the cracks imo.

Liverpool and Spurs both had great seasons. Okay no trophies won, but the improvement from last year is there for all to see. I think we ended up with something like 14 extra points compared to last year, that is magnificent. But still room for improvement.

Infact all the Top 6 have had OK seasons bar probably Man City who have stood slightly static compared to last season, but I expect they will push on now.

I never said that Man Utd had a "great" season I said that it was a "successful" season. 2 trophies and Champions League football is a good achievement and it's certainly better than finishing 4th and winning nothing. If we had won the Premier League as well then it would have been a "great" season.

All the "6th" jokes that rival fans were making throughout the season are null and void now. "say goodbye to the top 4 and Champions League football Midchester United", "you'll never play Champions League football again", "Tinpot Europa League club" etc... for 9 months straight throughout this season, what will those same people say now?

Posted by: Houdini May 29 2017, 05:41 PM

And why does my placing of Manchester United in my own opinion based ranking of the season provoke so much reaction? I asked the question to everyone here for everyone's separate opinions.

Posted by: Rooney May 29 2017, 06:21 PM

QUOTE(Steve201 @ May 29 2017, 06:16 PM) *
Well done Huddersfield indeed - when were they last in the top division? 1974!?

Favs for relegation regularly in the championship the manager really has turned them around!!


I am so pleased Huddersfield went up. It's great there is another northern team in the Premier League. I think (like Brighton) they will struggle. They're going to have to make sure their home form is excellent. Huddersfield relied so much on the loan market, so it will be interesting how they use it in the Premier League.

Great day for them!

QUOTE(Houdini @ May 29 2017, 06:38 PM) *
I never said that Man Utd had a "great" season I said that it was a "successful" season. 2 trophies and Champions League football is a good achievement and it's certainly better than finishing 4th and winning nothing. If we had won the Premier League as well then it would have been a "great" season.

All the "6th" jokes that rival fans were making throughout the season are null and void now. "say goodbye to the top 4 and Champions League football Midchester United", "you'll never play Champions League football again", "Tinpot Europa League club" etc... for 9 months straight throughout this season, what will those same people say now?


It's a successful season, but you spent tons of money in the summer so winning a cup is the least thing you could have done. It's just hilarious because 15 years ago Man Utd fans would absolutely rip Liverpool with their 'Mickey Mouse' treble but now winning the Europa and the League cup is a great thing! I'm not saying it's you or anyone on this forum, but it's just hilarious.

I think the cup wins just cover the cracks. Of course you will spend £200m in the summer again and sign top players but as a club it's all short term thinking right now. If you had not won the Europa League but finished 6th it would have been terrible. I think all the jokes are still relevant, I don't think any pundits or football fans (myself included) expected you to finish outside of the Top 4. You were poor in the league. Sure there is room for improvement, but I think that is the case for all the top teams as well.

Posted by: Silas May 29 2017, 06:35 PM

I don't think it's been a particularly good season for us at all. We won the EFL by being one of like 4 teams that actually took it seriously despite previously treating it like a joke. We likewise have gone all in on the Europa elevating it to a status it perhaps didn't warrant.

That being said, I get it. Most of the team have joined since 2013 with the fire sales instigated by Moyes and Van Gaal - typically not selling the right players - so what we've been left with is a squad whose only real experience of winning was the 2016 FA Cup. So getting us a couple of tinpot cup wins serves a purpose in that it gets these players used to playing in finals. The Europa Final sort of took on more weight than it would have ever otherwise given the events of 7 days ago. Being able to deliver a win under that pressure and in that environment is a positive sign.

The way we played against Chelsea at home and against Leicester home and away are positives. It's not been 64 dull games and even some of the frustrating draws did provide some form of entertainment. Lots to improve over the summer so we shall see what presents Ed brings.

Posted by: Silas May 29 2017, 06:47 PM

I disagree that spending money is 'short-termism' at all. We've been spending a lot this past 12-18 months on the academy and investing heavily in the clubs future. So not all money necessarily is just for the short term. Had we spent on Ibra that'd be short-termism. He came on a free and scored 28 across all competitions, you can't argue with how vital his goals have been for our season.


City are spending £300m this year having spent Billions of dodgy oil money on getting to where they are - is that short-termism? They've invested heavily in their academy creating one of the best suite of facilities in the country.

Chelsea have spent billions since the arrival of Roman and aside from last years snake inspired blip, its brought them returns.


I think it's disingenuous to take the spending figure and call it short-termism, especially when we're not the only club spending heavily. Last year we spent actual cash on three players. Oldest is 27. Bailly and Pogba are both young and can be with us for a number of years. Bailly in particular could be here for a decade. That's most certainly not short-termism. Ibra was, but we never pretended he was anything other than a quick fix while we lined up a suitable option for 17/18 onwards.



Let's not forget we actually spent less than City last year and unlike our neighbours actually have something to show for it.

Posted by: RabbitFurCoat May 29 2017, 06:51 PM

That play-off final summed up my initial thoughts, that they were two of the worst teams that have made it to that stage. Both have performed well above their expectations but are ultimately a bit rubbish, delighted Huddersfield went up of the two but fear they'll end somewhere between Derby 07/08 and Sunderland 16/17, five of their key players were on loan!

I support a team who stayed in the division on goal difference, and saw them deservedly batter both Huddersfield and Reading only last month.

Posted by: RabbitFurCoat May 29 2017, 06:58 PM

QUOTE(Mack @ May 22 2017, 01:16 PM) *
In your view who do you think deserves these from this season in your opinion:

Best Player:
1 - Hazard, 2 - Kane, 3 - Kante
Best Game:
1 - Arsenal 3-4 Liverpool, 2 - City 2-2 Spurs, 3 - Spurs 2-0 Chelsea
Best Manager
1 - Conte, 2 - Pochettino, 3 - Clement
Best Goal:
1 - Can vs. Watford, 2 - Carroll overhead/scissor (forget who against), 3 - Sanchez vs. West Ham (the chip)
Best Signing:
1 - Sakho, 2 - Kante, 3 - Wanyama
Worst Flop:
1 - Bravo, 2 - Sissoko, 3 - Zaza

Posted by: Mack May 30 2017, 12:27 PM

After all that......

Wenger is staying at Arsenal on a two-year deal:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40073103

Posted by: Houdini May 30 2017, 01:21 PM

Two more years of comedy, rants and banners! biggrin.gif


Seriously though Arsene Wenger deserves to stay after winning the FA Cup and building a good legacy over the past 20 years.

Posted by: Soy Adrián May 30 2017, 03:00 PM

QUOTE(RabbitFurCoat @ May 29 2017, 07:51 PM) *
That play-off final summed up my initial thoughts, that they were two of the worst teams that have made it to that stage. Both have performed well above their expectations but are ultimately a bit rubbish, delighted Huddersfield went up of the two but fear they'll end somewhere between Derby 07/08 and Sunderland 16/17, five of their key players were on loan!

I support a team who stayed in the division on goal difference, and saw them deservedly batter both Huddersfield and Reading only last month.

Would Wednesday or Fulham have been much better? I've not followed the Championship in close detail this season but it's seemed like the top two were way ahead of the rest, and there were half a dozen similar-ish teams who could have made the playoffs.

Posted by: jark May 30 2017, 07:13 PM

The drama will never be over with Arsenal and Wenger but he's probably more than 50% of the reason I support them so it's good news in my book.

Posted by: Mack May 30 2017, 09:57 PM

Could be a long season for Huddersfield, I fear. Great to see them in the league. Hoping not for a few stuffings from other teams.

Posted by: Suedehead2 May 30 2017, 10:41 PM

Huddersfield's only goal in the play-offs was an own goal in the semi-final. Has any other team managed to win the play-offs without any of their players scoring? laugh.gif

Posted by: Mack Jun 1 2017, 10:19 PM

Watford, Crystal Palace, the three promoted teams all contenders for relegation next season, I reckon.

Posted by: Houdini Jun 2 2017, 12:03 AM

I think Newcastle will stay up next season, not so sure about the other promoted teams. New fixtures for 2017/18 get announced on June 14th at 9 AM.

Posted by: Silas Jun 8 2017, 10:25 AM

I renewed my season ticket earlier this year and I've just got an email offering me a parking spot for the year for every home game, this'd be fab if I had to travel into the stadium no doubt. But it's in car park N4, which is genuinely further from the stadium than my house is laugh.gif

Posted by: Mack Jun 8 2017, 07:41 PM

Craig Shakespeare has named as the permanent manager of Leicester City. No surprise there really.


Posted by: Houdini Jun 9 2017, 12:44 PM

It looks like Zlatan Ibrahimovic isn't going to be offered a new deal by Man United and he will leave. I will miss him a lot if he goes but it's not surprising because of his injury, it looks like he will be out of action for most of the 2017/18 season.

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