Would your vote change in a different part of the UK?

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Long Dong Silver View member profile	29th November 2017, 03:06 PM Post #21
Buffy/Charmed Joined: 18 April 2013 Posts: 44,098 User: 18,639	QUOTE(vidcapper @ Nov 29 2017, 07:01 AM) That's not the judgement voters seem to have made last June. It REALLY is. Labour won seats for the first time in centuries and increased its share by the largest since Atlee and had its biggest vite share since Blair. Tories onrly got in through Scottish nationalists and UKIP voters going to another far right party to leave the EU. The had the WHOLE MEDIA ESTABLISHMENT ON SIDE AND THEY STILL LOST! Now what does THAT tell you


Iz 🌟 View member profile	29th November 2017, 03:08 PM Post #22
I'm a paragon so don't perceive me Joined: 3 February 2011 Posts: 37,420 User: 12,929	I don't disagree with any of that because... it's not refuting what I said? Just because someone can win with enough voters (obviously) doesn't mean that people bandying about the unelectable notion isn't the exact thing that the incumbent wants because it strengthens their status quo. It's the same reason they, and Labour for that matter, won't touch electoral reform and as long as I stay where I live I'll be choosing between lab and lib rather than giving my vote to both as my true position is that I'd like to see elements of both those parties in government.


vidcapper View member profile	29th November 2017, 04:33 PM Post #23
Paul Hyett Joined: 4 April 2006 Posts: 25,346 User: 364	QUOTE(ChRiMbO LeG PiPe @ Nov 29 2017, 03:06 PM) It REALLY is. Labour won seats for the first time in centuries and increased its share by the largest since Atlee and had its biggest vite share since Blair. Tories onrly got in through Scottish nationalists and UKIP voters going to another far right party to leave the EU. The had the WHOLE MEDIA ESTABLISHMENT ON SIDE AND THEY STILL LOST! Now what does THAT tell you The judgement voters made is that they preferred even a tarnished Tory gov't, to a Labour government run by Corbyn.


Long Dong Silver View member profile	29th November 2017, 04:37 PM Post #24
Buffy/Charmed Joined: 18 April 2013 Posts: 44,098 User: 18,639	QUOTE(vidcapper @ Nov 29 2017, 04:33 PM) The judgement voters made is that they preferred even a tarnished Tory gov't, to a Labour government run by Corbyn. No, it is a media elite, bolstered by Scottish nationalists voting ANYTHING not SNP, plus anti democratic attacks on Corbyn, plus UKIPers joining he far right Tories, was STILL NOT EBOUGH!! The media elite were SHOCKED to rediscover that um actually the North East hates the Tories and refused to vote for them for example. In fact, even with ALL this for the awful Tories, Labour icreased its share by he largest amount since the 2WW AND the Tories did not win. They did. Not. Win. After all that.


vidcapper View member profile	29th November 2017, 05:22 PM Post #25
Paul Hyett Joined: 4 April 2006 Posts: 25,346 User: 364	QUOTE(ChRiMbO LeG PiPe @ Nov 29 2017, 04:37 PM) No, it is a media elite, bolstered by Scottish nationalists voting ANYTHING not SNP, plus anti democratic attacks on Corbyn, plus UKIPers joining he far right Tories, was STILL NOT EBOUGH!! The media elite were SHOCKED to rediscover that um actually the North East hates the Tories and refused to vote for them for example. In fact, even with ALL this for the awful Tories, Labour icreased its share by he largest amount since the 2WW AND the Tories did not win. They did. Not. Win. After all that. No-one disputes Labour improved their position, but the very fact that the Tories are still in government shows they did win, albeit not outright.


Suedehead2 View member profile	29th November 2017, 07:52 PM Post #26
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,674 User: 3,272	QUOTE(vidcapper @ Nov 29 2017, 05:22 PM) No-one disputes Labour improved their position, but the very fact that the Tories are still in government shows they did win, albeit not outright. Which was a pretty dismal performance given their lead at the start of the campaign. Most people take very little notice of politics from day to day. Before the campaign, most people will have kn own little about Jeremy Corbyn apart from the fact that most of the press (including the Guardian) didn't seem to like him very much. In the course of the campaign people gad more opportunity to make up their own minds. Rather a lot of people seemed to like what they saw. I'm no great fan of Corbyn. While I agree with him on some things, I cannot offer my support to a leader whose policy on the EU can best be described as muddled.


Silas View member profile	29th November 2017, 07:59 PM Post #27
Queen of Soon Joined: 24 May 2007 Posts: 74,084 User: 3,474	QUOTE(ChRiMbO LeG PiPe @ Nov 29 2017, 03:06 PM) It REALLY is. Labour won seats for the first time in centuries and increased its share by the largest since Atlee and had its biggest vite share since Blair. Tories onrly got in through Scottish nationalists and UKIP voters going to another far right party to leave the EU. The had the WHOLE MEDIA ESTABLISHMENT ON SIDE AND THEY STILL LOST! Now what does THAT tell you QUOTE(ChRiMbO LeG PiPe @ Nov 29 2017, 04:37 PM) No, it is a media elite, bolstered by Scottish nationalists voting ANYTHING not SNP, plus anti democratic attacks on Corbyn, plus UKIPers joining he far right Tories, was STILL NOT EBOUGH!! The media elite were SHOCKED to rediscover that um actually the North East hates the Tories and refused to vote for them for example. In fact, even with ALL this for the awful Tories, Labour icreased its share by he largest amount since the 2WW AND the Tories did not win. They did. Not. Win. After all that. *Scottish Unionists. There's a clue in the party names. SNP Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party


Long Dong Silver View member profile	30th November 2017, 12:10 AM Post #28
Buffy/Charmed Joined: 18 April 2013 Posts: 44,098 User: 18,639	QUOTE(vidcapper @ Nov 29 2017, 05:22 PM) No-one disputes Labour improved their position, but the very fact that the Tories are still in government shows they did win, albeit not outright. Soo they didn't win even with thr support of the ENTIRE establishment. Right.


vidcapper View member profile	30th November 2017, 06:53 AM Post #29
Paul Hyett Joined: 4 April 2006 Posts: 25,346 User: 364	QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Nov 29 2017, 07:52 PM) Which was a pretty dismal performance given their lead at the start of the campaign. Most people take very little notice of politics from day to day. Before the campaign, most people will have kn own little about Jeremy Corbyn apart from the fact that most of the press (including the Guardian) didn't seem to like him very much. In the course of the campaign people gad more opportunity to make up their own minds. Rather a lot of people seemed to like what they saw. I'm no great fan of Corbyn. While I agree with him on some things, I cannot offer my support to a leader whose policy on the EU can best be described as muddled. The poll lead made the Tories complacent - a mistake they certainly won't make again. What the campaign really did was polarize the electorate - while some people warmed to Corbyn, many wavering Tories probably saw him as a real threat for the first time, which hardened up their support. QUOTE(ChRiMbO LeG PiPe @ Nov 30 2017, 12:10 AM) Soo they didn't win even with thr support of the ENTIRE establishment. Right. What point are you trying to make here? That if you wallow deep enough in denial, the result will change?