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 6th July 2024, 09:41 AM
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Nah, proportional representation all the wag. It limits wasted votes and tactical voting as every persons vote is actually worth something.
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6th July 2024, 09:50 AM
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How would parliament look now if it was 1 man 1 vote?
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6th July 2024, 10:00 AM
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QUOTE(Scene @ 6th July 2024, 10:50 AM)  How would parliament look now if it was 1 man 1 vote? I assume you mean if every person's vote counted equally? Technically FPTP is still 'one man one vote'. From a back of a fag packet calculation assuming a 0.1% electoral threshold (in reality most countries PR have a higher threshold): Labour - 219 Conservatives - 154 Lib Dems - 79 SNP - 16 Sinn Fein - 5 Independents - 13 Reform UK - 93 DUP - 4 Green - 44 Plaid Cymru - 5 SDLP (NI) - 2 Alliance Party NI - 2 Ulster Unionist Party - 2 TUV (NI) - 1 Workers Party - 5 SDP (GB) - 1 Yorkshire Party - 1 Greens and Reform are the biggest beneficiaries. Caveat that many people would vote differently under PR This post has been edited by DoBelieveTheHype: 6th July 2024, 10:01 AM |
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6th July 2024, 10:04 AM
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Quite a change then!
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6th July 2024, 11:09 AM
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Hmmm the amount of Reform seats under PR would be a big worry. I get that FPTP is a shit system.... but having 93 Reform MPs and Farage in an even stronger position would be very scary.
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6th July 2024, 11:22 AM
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QUOTE(Scene @ 6th July 2024, 10:27 AM) I assume LD just focused on the seats they could win, hence their general vote share suffering. They did, ruthlessly. It’s the first time in my lifetime (and for many years before that) that the Lib Dem (or Liberal) share of the seats has come anywhere near matching their share of the vote. |
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6th July 2024, 11:40 AM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ 6th July 2024, 12:22 PM) They did, ruthlessly. It’s the first time in my lifetime (and for many years before that) that the Lib Dem (or Liberal) share of the seats has come anywhere near matching their share of the vote. The played the system well. 
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6th July 2024, 11:45 AM
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QUOTE(ElectroBoy @ 6th July 2024, 12:09 PM) Hmmm the amount of Reform seats under PR would be a big worry. I get that FPTP is a shit system.... but having 93 Reform MPs and Farage in an even stronger position would be very scary. In the above case we almost certainly get the good version of a traffic light coalition between Labour, LDs and Greens as the government, and more Reform candidates to get the spotlight and get negative press, but it also gives them a bigger base to build from and a lot of legitimacy, and often any press is good press for a party like that. Flip side is that unless they overtake the centre-right Conservatives (who would probably trend away from extremism under PR), then them in government would only happen with a coalition with the Conservatives, like how say, the Finns Party in Finland entered government, having to moderate themselves, and even in situations where the extreme right party is the lead, like in Italy, they still have to undergo some moderation to work effectively, as they're never going to have complete control over the government. Reform is a uniquely weak far-right party I think, compared to others, leaders who at this point do not have the ability to reach much beyond the ceiling they've already reached and a weak party infrastructure and constitution. That may change, but for now I'm not thinking of them gaining large amounts of power as an argument against PR, even if it would be a negative. Every party would campaign and govern differently in those circumstances. |
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6th July 2024, 03:23 PM
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Is it STV where we could have pr and a constituency-style vote system?
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7th July 2024, 01:32 AM
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QUOTE(Scene @ 6th July 2024, 12:40 PM) The played the system well. There’s 80 seats they could win and they won 71 of them! |
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7th July 2024, 09:25 AM
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ 7th July 2024, 02:32 AM) There’s 80 seats they could win and they won 71 of them! That’s incredible! Hopefully they can build on that over the next 4-5 years and actually overtake the Tories by next election (if there’s no electoral reform in the meantime). |
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7th July 2024, 08:19 PM
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I would imagine this will be their height and the tories will win the seats back bit by bit. Most of the seats are Tory leaning normally.
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7th July 2024, 08:30 PM
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ 7th July 2024, 09:19 PM) I would imagine this will be their height and the tories will win the seats back bit by bit. Most of the seats are Tory leaning normally. I think it depends on where the tories go. If they end up going further to the right under leadership under someone like Suella then I can see the Lib Dems retaining their seats and even gaining more from the tories in 2029 as they will be splitting the far right vote again between themselves and reform. I wouldn't be surprised if reform becomes a bigger force in the next election unfortunately. |
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7th July 2024, 09:11 PM
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Oh absolutely the seats are generally one nation Tory seats. So a move to the right would only help the tories in the old red wall seats but then you also have to think what 5 years of a Labour government will effect the vote as well.
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