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post Oct 11 2019, 11:21 PM
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I agree. Alternative Forms and Mega Evolutions were such huge wins as fans, they really could have delivered both a lot better.
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post Oct 13 2019, 03:17 PM
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QUOTE(Liаm @ Oct 11 2019, 11:29 PM) *
It's such random Pokemon getting new forms, and not enough, it's just a random handful that's a waste of what could be potentially done with these new forms.


QUOTE(Aaron. @ Oct 12 2019, 12:21 AM) *
I agree. Alternative Forms and Mega Evolutions were such huge wins as fans, they really could have delivered both a lot better.


Yeah, 100%. Regional variants is such an inspired idea and a fantastic excuse to revamp some of the more outdated designs, but the execution has been absolutely horrendous. I'd consider maybe A-Ninetales, A-Sandslash and A-Marowak to be on par with the originals. Rattata and Meowth were solid too, but their evos destroyed any good will I had towards them. The rest vary from 'eh' (Raichu, Zigzagoon line) to legit some of the worst designs ever conceived (Persian, Dugtrio, Weezing). I'm not even massively keen on Ponyta; the overly-forced cute aesthetic with the chibi proportions and impossibly large eyes/ears is sorta nauseating. Give me regular Ponyta any day.

On another note, gameplay of the first town was released and it's actually... not horrible looking? Living for how British it looks.

https://vimeo.com/365892350

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post Oct 14 2019, 11:43 AM
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I actually LOVE the new Weezing look lmao. But yeah Diglett/Dugtrio was so unnecessary lmao. I'd rate them something like:

Great: Muk, Marowak, Weezing
Good: Raichu, Sandshrew, Sandslash, Vulpix, Ninetales, Geodude, Grimer, Ponyta, Zigzagoon
Meh: Rattata, Meowth, Linoone
Bad: Raticate, Persian, Graveler, Golem
Awful: Diglett, Dugtrio, Exeggutor
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post Oct 14 2019, 12:32 PM
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Alolan Nintales is by far the best because it's like a total opposite and reinvention with a great design, for that reason I also like Galar Weezing (although it's still half poison, the concept is opposite as it purifies the air). When I mentioned the fan games that have done similar ideas, Pokemon Insurgence stands out as it has some total opposites you'd just never think of that work really well like a Fire type Snorunt line and Psychic Torchic line with an Egyptian design. That's what these reinventions should be, not a bit of extra hair or colouring them black or making them tall with a bland typing. Linoone and Zizagoon plus the evoltuion are a much better design than the Raticate line but it's still the same idea, an early route normal type gaining the Dark type which arguably makes them worse, adding a weakness to Fairy and Bug plus making it 4x weak to fighting. It's just not an interesting enough typing for such an average Pokemon to make anyone really want to use it surely.
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post Oct 16 2019, 01:31 PM
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Today's trailer was just Gigantamax for the same old Kanto Pokemon getting a refresh




I mean there's Gigantamax Meowth which is literally just that long cat meme ffs
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post Oct 16 2019, 01:36 PM
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These games...

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post Oct 16 2019, 01:37 PM
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Gigantamax is just DeviantArt fan art come to life
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post Oct 16 2019, 01:43 PM
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QUOTE(Liаm @ Oct 14 2019, 01:32 PM) *
Alolan Nintales is by far the best because it's like a total opposite and reinvention with a great design, for that reason I also like Galar Weezing (although it's still half poison, the concept is opposite as it purifies the air). When I mentioned the fan games that have done similar ideas, Pokemon Insurgence stands out as it has some total opposites you'd just never think of that work really well like a Fire type Snorunt line and Psychic Torchic line with an Egyptian design. That's what these reinventions should be, not a bit of extra hair or colouring them black or making them tall with a bland typing. Linoone and Zizagoon plus the evoltuion are a much better design than the Raticate line but it's still the same idea, an early route normal type gaining the Dark type which arguably makes them worse, adding a weakness to Fairy and Bug plus making it 4x weak to fighting. It's just not an interesting enough typing for such an average Pokemon to make anyone really want to use it surely.

Ah, wholly agreed on Insurgence! I figured I was the only one dorky enough to play Pokemon fan games, but it's honestly embarrassing how much they upstage the official releases. Whew, the layers of innovation in some of the Delta redesigns. GameFreak could literally never.
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post Oct 16 2019, 01:51 PM
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Ugh what a waste of a trailer. I just hate the constant obsession with Gen 1 Pokemon, no doubt they'll all be featured in this game with mainly gen 5-7 Pokemon being the ones removed.

Gen 5 has such a huge pokedex yet they never seem to get any sort of special feature apart from one Mega
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post Oct 16 2019, 03:03 PM
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Geez this is some crap right here. I just want Megas again tbh, every battle gimmick since that has been trash and entirely disappointing in comparison. They could've literally milked the fan service and just added more and more megas each generation and no one would even mind. Everyone still wants mega Lapras, Flygon, Luxray, Excadrill, Milotic, Butterfree, etc. Focusing every new Pokemon game around Pikachu and Charizard isn't making people happy its just irritating
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I like the way the games look and like some of the pokémon revealed so far. But I wish they didn't introduce Gigantamax forms. Between mega evolutions and regional forms, there are a large amount of pokémon that could benefit from those. Instead they shift a lot of focus to something that isn't needed. I'm sure the games will still be a lot of fun though.
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post Wednesday, 08:29 PM
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Tbh I just want to get to grips with the game and give it a whirl before I make judgement on how much I dislike this whole Gigantamaxing fodder laugh.gif
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Agreed about the Gen 1 fanwank being ridiculous laugh.gif We literally just had Let's Go so if anything I'd have taken most of Gen 1 of the Pokedex if anything but I guess it's a case of wanting Let's Go players to be able to carry forward their Pokemon from there. Gen 1 is kinda overrated for me so I'm probably biased but it's just always gen 1, gen 1 had so many megas, Alola forms were only gen 1 Pokemon and now a lot of Gigantamaxed Gen 1 Pokemon...

Like as much as people say Gen 5 or whatever was "running out of ideas", gen 1 had "fire pony" "fire dog" "electric dog" "water dog" "literally a Pokeball with eyes" yet it gets ALL the attention and love just because it came first.

QUOTE(Defaze @ Oct 16 2019, 02:43 PM) *
Ah, wholly agreed on Insurgence! I figured I was the only one dorky enough to play Pokemon fan games, but it's honestly embarrassing how much they upstage the official releases. Whew, the layers of innovation in some of the Delta redesigns. GameFreak could literally never.

Yes!!!

I get that sometimes they overhaul things a lot more than GameFreak would be willing to, but I think switching up Pokemon we know and love isn't a stretch at all! I mean if we have to have Pikachu, Meowth and Charizard yet again, why couldn't it be say a Water/Dragon Charizard that turns everything on its head? This Gigantamax shite just feels like Z-Moves and Mega Evolution mashed into one and I didn't care for either of those concepts. I would have thought it'd be a no-brainer to expand the concept of alternate forms like Insurgence did but alas.
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Trash.
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Did pokemon fire half their team and hire new people with only a baseline understanding of the property or something?

Maybe a bunch of people only still know gen 1 bc that's what you keep giving them...self fulfilling prophecy.
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The entire build-up to these games have honestly been a car crash. From the underwhelming graphics/animations from the get-go, to the horrific dyanmax gimmick, the Pokemon cuts, and now the obscene Kanto pandering. These games had to be pristine to justify the dex cut in my eyes, but literally nothing has served to drum up any semblance of hype. Even the new Pokemon (the few we've actually been exposed to) just feel like boring retreads.

That being said, I'm actually kind of living for the level of backlash these games have been receiving. I doubt it'll actually harm sales, but it's nice to see the fans finally taking a stand given how overdue the criticism is. The series has low-key been in the gutter since XY. Like, it's still incomprehensible to me how anyone could enjoy Sun and Moon. Genuinely the most tedious games I've ever played.

I can't get over it being a month from release, and that trailer was the best they could muster. The gen 1 lot are iconic to me: Pokemon Red was the first video game I ever played, and even I'm beyond pissed at the level of exposure the Kanto mons are receiving. The designs are largely trash, so the fact that they're put on some absurd pedastal when 90% of gen 3-7 mons are superior is an absolute mess. I can't even imagine how younger players that don't have any sentimental attachment towards them feel.

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god the Obstagoon introduction was super promising and I’m also glad that Farfetch’d is getting somewhat of a buff but since then jt’s Kinda gone down the drain

I don’t blame Pokemon for redesigning Gen 1 stuff tho considering it’s the OG and how a lot of the fandom is a bunch of Gen 1 purists, be careful what you wish for I guess
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OMG! They released the starter final evos today!

Link to the reveal here!
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