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 26th May 2018, 05:57 AM
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 Paul Hyett
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Was this OTT?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-57...-beaten-up.html Shocking moment suspected burglar mumbles 'I'm sorry' as vigilante repeatedly kicks and punches him in the head 'after catching him red-handed outside home' The enraged resident in Durham knocks the man to the ground with a single blow, kicks him twice in the head, and then throws him out of the property The suspected burglar pathetically mumbles 'I'm sorry' as he lies helpless at the man's feet with an obvious wound to the back of his head The clip surfaced on a private social media group and was shared last night |
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26th May 2018, 08:15 AM
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 Queen of Soon
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Obviously Yes!!! Vigilante justice is not acceptable. We are a civilised society and we have a functioning justice system
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26th May 2018, 09:33 AM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ May 26 2018, 09:15 AM)  Obviously Yes!!! Vigilante justice is not acceptable. What if he'd have stopped the instant the criminal was subdued? If he had, then I would have deemed that acceptable. QUOTE We are a civilised society and we have a functioning justice system If that's the case, then why are so many people unsatisfied with the light punishments handed out to many criminals? |
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26th May 2018, 09:48 AM
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Queen of Soon
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1 - Citizens arrest is substantially different to vigilante justice
2 - because people believe what they read in the daily hitler. |
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26th May 2018, 10:04 AM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ May 26 2018, 10:48 AM) 2 - because people believe what they read in the daily hitler. How does believing criminals are not sufficiently punished, relate to the Daily Mail? The Mail does not set their sentences... |
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26th May 2018, 10:14 AM
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I was in a similar situation once and REFUSED to use violence when he tried to steal from me/ broke some of my stuff. I called the police instead. A LOT of people called me 'pussy' etc or 'mad' for NOT using vigilante justice, but I still maintain it was the right thing to do - just because he tried to steal did not give me the right to use violence.
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26th May 2018, 11:43 AM
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BuzzJack Legend
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A bit how I feel when someone believes they can take away my right to live and work in Europe. Does that mean I have the right to kick their f***ing head in?
I don't think so. |
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26th May 2018, 11:44 AM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(Queef of Peace @ May 26 2018, 11:14 AM) I was in a similar situation once and REFUSED to use violence when he tried to steal from me/ broke some of my stuff. I called the police instead. A LOT of people called me 'pussy' etc or 'mad' for NOT using vigilante justice, but I still maintain it was the right thing to do - just because he tried to steal did not give me the right to use violence. I assume it was not a physical attack? If it had been, then you would have been legally entitled to defend yourself. |
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26th May 2018, 11:45 AM
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BuzzJack Legend
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ May 26 2018, 12:44 PM) I assume it was not a physical attack? If it had been, then you would have been legally entitled to defend yourself. Being entitled to defend yourself does you no good if you have just been beaten to death trying to defend yourself from 7 foot 20 stone neanderthals.... |
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26th May 2018, 01:40 PM
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Buffy/Charmed
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ May 26 2018, 12:44 PM) I assume it was not a physical attack? If it had been, then you would have been legally entitled to defend yourself. No, just possessions. If I had laid a hand on him over something like that, then I would have been in the wrong and he would have been the victim. The man who KICKED another in the HEAD was out of line. Self-defence is one thing, but attacking someone over theft is quite another. Also, I'm guessing your favourite movies are the Kick Ass ones?  |
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26th May 2018, 01:53 PM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ May 26 2018, 12:45 PM) Being entitled to defend yourself does you no good if you have just been beaten to death trying to defend yourself from 7 foot 20 stone neanderthals.... All the more reason to case the joint before you break in - or preferably choose a different career altogether... |
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26th May 2018, 04:31 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ May 26 2018, 02:53 PM) All the more reason to case the joint before you break in - or preferably choose a different career altogether... this response makes no sense. We are talking about defending yourself from unprovoked attack being useless as a concept if you are outgunned. You changed the subject. Quel surprise. |
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26th May 2018, 05:38 PM
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BuzzJack Platinum Member
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Oh please, can we stop defending burglars? They are the criminals!
I'm not watching the video as I find stuff like that graphic. Maybe he went too far but nobody should be burgling from him in the first place |
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26th May 2018, 05:46 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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who is defending burglars?
defending law and order is what it is. Two wrongs dont make a right. As the gentleman now in hiding from the family of the man he killed has found out. Didnt save his way of life, make him happy, stop burglars or do anything to make the world a safer place. The sensible course of action would to have rung the police, let them deal with it, and make an insurance claim for anything they stole. Tedious, but you get to keep your life, and by the by you also dont risk getting killed yourself. It could easily have gone the other way. |
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27th May 2018, 06:29 AM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ May 26 2018, 05:31 PM) this response makes no sense. We are talking about defending yourself from unprovoked attack being useless as a concept if you are outgunned. You changed the subject. I admit I do that sometimes, but not in *this* case. It's very relevant to point out that if he hadn't gone out burgling in the first place, he would not have got beaten up! QUOTE(Ronald McJackson @ May 26 2018, 06:38 PM) Oh please, can we stop defending burglars? They are the criminals! Hear hear! If you live by the sword, then you accept the risk of dying by it. QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ May 26 2018, 06:46 PM) who is defending burglars? defending law and order is what it is. Two wrongs dont make a right. As the gentleman now in hiding from the family of the man he killed has found out. Didnt save his way of life, make him happy, stop burglars or do anything to make the world a safer place. The sensible course of action would to have rung the police, let them deal with it, and make an insurance claim for anything they stole. Tedious, but you get to keep your life, and by the by you also dont risk getting killed yourself. It could easily have gone the other way. But the police can't be everywhere, and why should my insurance premiums get hiked though no fault of my own, if, say, some junkie breaks in & steals my stuff? |
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27th May 2018, 11:13 AM
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BuzzJack Legend
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ May 27 2018, 07:29 AM) I admit I do that sometimes, but not in *this* case. It's very relevant to point out that if he hadn't gone out burgling in the first place, he would not have got beaten up! Hear hear! If you live by the sword, then you accept the risk of dying by it. But the police can't be everywhere, and why should my insurance premiums get hiked though no fault of my own, if, say, some junkie breaks in & steals my stuff? You were replying to an incident involving someone else, not the posted topic. I didn't realise that theft was "living by the sword" and that we had the death penalty for it. I think you are mistaken and if you are suggesting that I think you will find that is also against the law. Diddums. Oh much better to have mass murder and false claims of burglary then than you have to suffer paying a bit more in insurance. By the way I want my £900 back from the loss of disposal income from YOUR actions voting for Brexit. |
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27th May 2018, 01:57 PM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ May 27 2018, 12:13 PM) I didn't realise that theft was "living by the sword" and that we had the death penalty for it. I think you are mistaken and if you are suggesting that I think you will find that is also against the law. I'm astonished you haven't heard that proverb before... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_by_the_s...ie_by_the_sword QUOTE Diddums. Oh much better to have mass murder and false claims of burglary then than you have to suffer paying a bit more in insurance. By the way I want my £900 back from the loss of disposal income from YOUR actions voting for Brexit. Shouldn't that be £900/17,400,000 - I'll send you a cheque for 0.005p. 
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27th May 2018, 01:59 PM
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Well, no, as you leavers would have to reimburse the entirety of the remain population - including those who lost their jobs due to Brexit - if we were goin down that route
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27th May 2018, 08:03 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ May 27 2018, 02:57 PM) I'm astonished you haven't heard that proverb before... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_by_the_s...ie_by_the_sword Shouldn't that be £900/17,400,000 - I'll send you a cheque for 0.005p. No, that's £900 PER HOUSEHOLD! This escalates on an annual basis so the longer you leave that cheque the bigger it gets..... Of course I've heard that phrase before. I'm older than you. I've heard far more than you, sonny. You kids think you know it all, you should listen to your elders we know what's best for you
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28th May 2018, 06:10 AM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ May 27 2018, 09:03 PM) No, that's £900 PER HOUSEHOLD! This escalates on an annual basis so the longer you leave that cheque the bigger it gets..... No problem - you just have to persuade 17,399,999 other people to also send you 0.005p. 
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