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Rooney View member profile	15th September 2019, 09:16 AM Post #181
WINTER IS COMING Joined: 7 March 2006 Posts: 45,604 User: 88	QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Sep 15 2019, 08:45 AM) Shouldn’t be so quick to dismiss Michaels “yellow tories” because they absolutely are. They’ve been talking with the Scottish Tories about an election pact to avoid wipe out for both parties (on the mainland as Orkney and Shetland will obvi stay LD). So for all their talk about stopping brexit they’re happy to put pro-hard brexit tories into Westminster as long as that means the very pro-EU SNP don’t gain the seat. Because that makes perfect sense. f***ing unionist logic man. It’s wild I'm faily certain the Scottish Tories are Remain too? or at least pro-Soft Brexit. The Lib Dems are doing what Labour should be doing to win a General Election.. hoovering up the Centre-Right vote.


vidcapper View member profile	15th September 2019, 09:28 AM Post #182
Paul Hyett Joined: 4 April 2006 Posts: 25,346 User: 364	QUOTE(Rooney @ Sep 15 2019, 10:16 AM) I'm faily certain the Scottish Tories are Remain too? or at least pro-Soft Brexit. The Lib Dems are doing what Labour should be doing to win a General Election.. hoovering up the Centre-Right vote. As long as Corbyn is in charge, the centre-right vote is completely off-limits to Labour - they're hardly gonna vote for someone who wants to bleed them dry!


Suedehead2 View member profile	15th September 2019, 09:34 AM Post #183
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,676 User: 3,272	QUOTE(vidcapper @ Sep 15 2019, 05:50 AM) Is that because they'd then have to really stand up & be counted, rather than rely on mostly protest votes? Under STV, there would be a good deal less need for protest votes. As for the original assertion, the Lib Dems would have to do spectacularly badly to win as few seats under a proportional system as they won in the last two general elections.


Long Dong Silver View member profile	15th September 2019, 09:52 AM Post #184
Buffy/Charmed Joined: 18 April 2013 Posts: 44,104 User: 18,639	QUOTE(vidcapper @ Sep 15 2019, 10:28 AM) As long as Corbyn is in charge, the centre-right vote is completely off-limits to Labour - they're hardly gonna vote for someone who wants to bleed them dry! Right wing talking point propaganda. Anyone under 80k will be faaar better off and not taxed a penny more Those above shoulf br willing to fund a better society anyway.


vidcapper View member profile	15th September 2019, 10:02 AM Post #185
Paul Hyett Joined: 4 April 2006 Posts: 25,346 User: 364	QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Sep 15 2019, 10:34 AM) Under STV, there would be a good deal less need for protest votes. As for the original assertion, the Lib Dems would have to do spectacularly badly to win as few seats under a proportional system as they won in the last two general elections. I agree with the latter part, but would undoubtedly have to form some form of coalition to get a taste of power - and that didn't exactly work out well for them, last time...


vidcapper View member profile	15th September 2019, 10:05 AM Post #186
Paul Hyett Joined: 4 April 2006 Posts: 25,346 User: 364	QUOTE(Algernon Monqueef @ Sep 15 2019, 10:52 AM) Right wing talking point propaganda. Anyone under 80k will be faaar better off and not taxed a penny more Those above shoulf br willing to fund a better society anyway. Yeah right, because everyone loves paying more taxes, especially when they won't personally benefit from it...


Long Dong Silver View member profile	15th September 2019, 10:09 AM Post #187
Buffy/Charmed Joined: 18 April 2013 Posts: 44,104 User: 18,639	QUOTE(vidcapper @ Sep 15 2019, 11:05 AM) Yeah right, because everyone loves paying more taxes, especially when they won't personally benefit from it... And yet everyonr benefits from a better society? FDR had a tax rate of 90% on millionaires. It was America's golden age. Care to comment? x


Brett-Butler View member profile	15th September 2019, 10:11 AM Post #188
Howdy, disco citizens Joined: 16 January 2010 Posts: 12,775 User: 10,455	QUOTE(Algernon Monqueef @ Sep 15 2019, 11:09 AM) FDR had a tax rate of 90% on millionaires. It was America's golden age. Care to comment? x Yes, the tail-end of the Great Depression, World War II & putting Japanese immigrants in camps definitely marks a Golden Age for America.


Long Dong Silver View member profile	15th September 2019, 10:35 AM Post #189
Buffy/Charmed Joined: 18 April 2013 Posts: 44,104 User: 18,639	QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Sep 15 2019, 11:11 AM) Yes, the tail-end of the Great Depression, World War II & putting Japanese immigrants in camps definitely marks a Golden Age for America. Economic golden age x FDR sorted out the depression, created an extremely strong middle class, and the modern American dream.


Suedehead2 View member profile	15th September 2019, 10:43 AM Post #190
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,676 User: 3,272	QUOTE(vidcapper @ Sep 15 2019, 11:02 AM) I agree with the latter part, but would undoubtedly have to form some form of coalition to get a taste of power - and that didn't exactly work out well for them, last time... The big difference is that the disparity in seat numbers between two coalition partners would be much smaller under STV. The Tories in the coalition years kept banging on about how they had five times more MPs than the Lib Dems. They achieved that on about 1.5 times the vote. If the balance of MPs reflected that, the junior partner would be in a much stronger position.


Silas View member profile	15th September 2019, 12:20 PM Post #191
Queen of Soon Joined: 24 May 2007 Posts: 74,088 User: 3,474	QUOTE(Rooney @ Sep 15 2019, 10:16 AM) I'm faily certain the Scottish Tories are Remain too? or at least pro-Soft Brexit. Oh no the Scottish Tories are either plastic soft Brexiteers (ie will do what boris says regardless of what they’ve said in the past) or are fundamentalists wholly at odds with their constituents. Like a more delusional Kate Hoey. Never trust a Tory and the Scottish lot are just as vomit inducing as the English lot. BBC Scotland and the Unionist media have been residing 4ft up Ruth Davidson’s arse so the picture they paint isn’t exactly reliable.


Harve View member profile	15th September 2019, 12:26 PM Post #192
Cœur poids plume Joined: 3 November 2007 Posts: 18,129 User: 4,718	QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Sep 15 2019, 08:45 AM) Shouldn’t be so quick to dismiss Michaels “yellow tories” because they absolutely are. They’ve been talking with the Scottish Tories about an election pact to avoid wipe out for both parties (on the mainland as Orkney and Shetland will obvi stay LD). So for all their talk about stopping brexit they’re happy to put pro-hard brexit tories into Westminster as long as that means the very pro-EU SNP don’t gain the seat. Because that makes perfect sense. f***ing unionist logic man. It’s wild That was just a random Tory briefing a journalist to slander the Lib Dems to be fair. There was nothing truthful about that report. Like, criticise them based on what they've actually said and done, as there's plenty there.


Silas View member profile	15th September 2019, 12:33 PM Post #193
Queen of Soon Joined: 24 May 2007 Posts: 74,088 User: 3,474	Like Willie Rennie, the MSP for where my folks like, today saying that the LD would refuse an IndyRef2 in any circumstances even where there was an explicit holyrood mandate in 2021 (not that we need another mandate) Neither liberal nor a democrat.


Suedehead2 View member profile	15th September 2019, 12:38 PM Post #194
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,676 User: 3,272	If we are still in the EU in 2021, there is a good case for rejecting another independence referendum. If we have left, that justification dies. There will have been such a fundamental change in circumstances since 2014 that another referendum would be perfectly reasonable.


Harve View member profile	15th September 2019, 01:03 PM Post #195
Cœur poids plume Joined: 3 November 2007 Posts: 18,129 User: 4,718	QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Sep 15 2019, 01:33 PM) Like Willie Rennie, the MSP for where my folks like, today saying that the LD would refuse an IndyRef2 in any circumstances even where there was an explicit holyrood mandate in 2021 (not that we need another mandate) Neither liberal nor a democrat. Yes precisely.


Silas View member profile	15th September 2019, 01:07 PM Post #196
Queen of Soon Joined: 24 May 2007 Posts: 74,088 User: 3,474	QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Sep 15 2019, 01:38 PM) If we are still in the EU in 2021, there is a good case for rejecting another independence referendum. If we have left, that justification dies. There will have been such a fundamental change in circumstances since 2014 that another referendum would be perfectly reasonable. If there’s a democratically elected government at holyrood on the manifesto commitment to hold it, then there is no justification to deny it.


Steve201 View member profile	15th September 2019, 06:24 PM Post #197
Shakin Stevens Joined: 29 December 2007 Posts: 46,157 User: 5,138	Who gives the right to hold the referendum - a British PM??


Steve201 View member profile	15th September 2019, 06:25 PM Post #198
Shakin Stevens Joined: 29 December 2007 Posts: 46,157 User: 5,138	QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Sep 15 2019, 11:11 AM) Yes, the tail-end of the Great Depression, World War II & putting Japanese immigrants in camps definitely marks a Golden Age for America. They did benefit from the world wars though and it was their golden age the Breton Woods era 1931-73!


Suedehead2 View member profile	15th September 2019, 09:40 PM Post #199
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,676 User: 3,272	QUOTE(Steve201 @ Sep 15 2019, 07:24 PM) Who gives the right to hold the referendum - a British PM?? Under the law, yes. The Scottish government could go ahead and hold a referendum, but it would have no legal status whatsoever without the consent of the UK government.


vidcapper View member profile	16th September 2019, 05:00 AM Post #200
Paul Hyett Joined: 4 April 2006 Posts: 25,346 User: 364	QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Sep 15 2019, 10:40 PM) Under the law, yes. The Scottish government could go ahead and hold a referendum, but it would have no legal status whatsoever without the consent of the UK government. Whereas one with he consent of the UK gov't also has no legal status, according to some Remainers...