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Long Dong Silver View member profile	15th September 2019, 11:32 PM Post #641
Buffy/Charmed Joined: 18 April 2013 Posts: 44,107 User: 18,639	Or he hasn't trolled a lot this week and so needs to make up for it?


Silas View member profile	16th September 2019, 01:10 AM Post #642
Queen of Soon Joined: 24 May 2007 Posts: 74,090 User: 3,474	QUOTE(Common Sense @ Sep 15 2019, 07:43 PM) I have a question. Does a British PM have to obey a Scottish court or can he get round it by saying no action's been taken in an English court? Just a sudden thought that's struck me. Maybe too much cider today. I mean if a Scotsman took out an injunction against me, an Englishman, does it still apply in law? The courts have equal weight. A decision taken in any of the three court systems of the UK is binding across the whole of the UK


vidcapper View member profile	16th September 2019, 05:07 AM Post #643
Paul Hyett Joined: 4 April 2006 Posts: 25,346 User: 364	QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Sep 16 2019, 02:10 AM) The courts have equal weight. A decision taken in any of the three court systems of the UK is binding across the whole of the UK Not in all cases, surely? To take a hypothetical example - what if the Scottish Parliament passed a law confiscating the assets of all English people living in Scotland?


crazy chris View member profile	16th September 2019, 07:12 AM Post #644
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 7 March 2006 Posts: 22,001 User: 53	QUOTE(Algernon Monqueef @ Sep 16 2019, 12:32 AM) Or he hasn't trolled a lot this week You've made up for me maybe though?


crazy chris View member profile	16th September 2019, 07:17 AM Post #645
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 7 March 2006 Posts: 22,001 User: 53	From Sky News: "The UK is not prepared to postpone Brexit beyond the current 31 October deadline, Boris Johnson is to tell European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker at talks on Monday. The lunchtime meeting in Luxembourg will be the first time the pair have met since the PM took office in July. A Downing Street source says Mr Johnson will stress over lunch that he wants to secure a deal by 18 October, after a key EU summit. But if not possible he will "reject any delay offered" and leave with no deal." You tell them Boris. Get tough and maybe we'll get a better deal. He's certainly tougher than May. Hate to say this but it needed a man to make them listen. That tells me he's not going to ask for any extension. This post has been edited by Common Sense: 16th September 2019, 07:21 AM


Iz 🌟 View member profile	16th September 2019, 07:21 AM Post #646
I'm a paragon so don't perceive me Joined: 3 February 2011 Posts: 37,420 User: 12,929	So ignoring the obvious bait, what does the EU have to lose by not offering us anything? Johnson is a fool and a terrible negotiator.


crazy chris View member profile	16th September 2019, 07:22 AM Post #647
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 7 March 2006 Posts: 22,001 User: 53	QUOTE(Izzy @ Sep 16 2019, 08:21 AM) So ignoring the obvious bait, what does the EU have to lose by not offering us anything? Johnson is a fool and a terrible negotiator. Well they don't want no deal either.


crazy chris View member profile	16th September 2019, 07:32 AM Post #648
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 7 March 2006 Posts: 22,001 User: 53	Talk on TV now that there are rumours that Boris intends to get round the new law by asking for an extension, then refusing it so we crash out. Daft I know but he would have complied with the law then. Say send the letter as he's required to do, then another refusing the extension if and when it's granted. He's determined to leave then by hook or by crook. That's why he may prorogue parliament again to stop them amending the law saying he has to accept the extension or stop MP's sending the letter. This post has been edited by Common Sense: 16th September 2019, 08:03 AM


Iz 🌟 View member profile	16th September 2019, 07:38 AM Post #649
I'm a paragon so don't perceive me Joined: 3 February 2011 Posts: 37,420 User: 12,929	Yes, having a head of government who flouts loopholes in the law is certainly where I want this country to be. The EU don't want us to leave without a deal but they have more to lose by giving into our unreasonable demands than seeing the UK crash out and having to come begging later. Johnson is saying 'give us what we want or we'll put ourselves into a much weaker position for future negotiations'.


crazy chris View member profile	16th September 2019, 08:00 AM Post #650
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 7 March 2006 Posts: 22,001 User: 53	Well if the law wasn't such an ass he wouldn't have to seek loopholes and flount it. MP's are just trying to deny the will of the people. At least Boris wants to implement the result of the referendum with no further delays which is the right thing to do. Watch this country erupt if we don't leave then. No-one will go to work and everyone will be on the streets. This post has been edited by Common Sense: 16th September 2019, 08:03 AM


Silas View member profile	16th September 2019, 08:32 AM Post #651
Queen of Soon Joined: 24 May 2007 Posts: 74,090 User: 3,474	QUOTE(vidcapper @ Sep 16 2019, 06:07 AM) Not in all cases, surely? To take a hypothetical example - what if the Scottish Parliament passed a law confiscating the assets of all English people living in Scotland? That’s not a hypothetical example. I don’t know what the f*** that is. You misunderstand something quite fundamental. The Scottish courts have two areas of power. One is over the domestic application of Scots Law - so any criminals tried in Scotland under the Scottish criminal justice system and all civil cases brought under Scots Law within Scotland. They’ll uphold and challenge where appropriate the law as created by Holyrood. The Act of Union never abolished the individual court systems of the Kingdom of Scotland and the Kingdom of England and so Scottish Courts rulings over matters that are not devolved and take effect UK wide are within the bounds of the court. This is the second area of its power. It will apply a Scots Law view over UK wide legislation. It should be noted that the court in Scotland wasn’t on summer holidays when the case was filed (it was in England) and they could start the case at a higher level of court than what would be possible in England. The top level of court for English Common Law and Scots Law is the Supreme Court in London. Regardless of where this was filed it would have ended up in the Supreme Court for the uk as a whole.


Long Dong Silver View member profile	16th September 2019, 08:37 AM Post #652
Buffy/Charmed Joined: 18 April 2013 Posts: 44,107 User: 18,639	HOW MANY f*ING TIMES?! THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE IS WHAT THE NAXIS USEF TO SAY. IT DOES NOT fING EXIST, ESPWCIALLY NOT ON A 50 50 SPLIT REFERENDUM. YOU GOT 17 OUT OF 65 MILLION. A. MINORITY!!!!!! There has been an ELECTION since then, which is WHERE THR PARLIAMENTARY NUMBERS FING COME FROM. If people cared so much for brexshit, you'd have 600 ukip or tory mps!!! Jesus CHRIST. Alsoooo leave f**ing campaigned foorrrrr A SINGLE MARKET NORWAY MODEL. The EU would agree to that. They did NOT CAMPAIGN FOR A HARD OR NO DEAL BREXSHIT. THEREFOREEEEEE ... YOU. HAVE. NO. MANDATE. DO. YOU. UNDERSTAND?! Also a lot of brexshitters were old. By demographica alone you no longer even have a slight majority Alsooo the fiest referendum was 70% remain. Bring similar numbers to overturn it, ywa? You need major numbers for major change. You didn't even get three nations or Gibraltar. You didn't get youth support. You don't have enough. Dictator BoJo needs to GO.


Long Dong Silver View member profile	16th September 2019, 08:39 AM Post #653
Buffy/Charmed Joined: 18 April 2013 Posts: 44,107 User: 18,639	QUOTE(Common Sense @ Sep 16 2019, 09:00 AM) Well if the law wasn't such an ass he wouldn't have to seek loopholes and flount it. MP's are just trying to deny the will of the people. At least Boris wants to implement the result of the referendum with no further delays which is the right thing to do. Watch this country erupt if we don't leave then. No-one will go to work and everyone will be on the streets. Mwaaa poor dictator Bojo bound by the horrible horrible law He should be able to do what he wants!! The law doesn't apply to Etonian Bullington tosspots born to rule exceptions like HIM!


crazy chris View member profile	16th September 2019, 09:11 AM Post #654
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 7 March 2006 Posts: 22,001 User: 53	QUOTE(Algernon Monqueef @ Sep 16 2019, 09:39 AM) Mwaaa poor dictator Bojo bound by the horrible horrible law He should be able to do what he wants!! The law doesn't apply to Etonian Bullington tosspots born to rule exceptions like HIM! I know I'm talking to a broken record but what our PM wants to do this time is the right thing. To implement the result of the referendum. What's the point of holding one then, millions spent for nothing? The courts shouldn't be interfering in politics either, just as The Queen doesn't.


Long Dong Silver View member profile	16th September 2019, 09:17 AM Post #655
Buffy/Charmed Joined: 18 April 2013 Posts: 44,107 User: 18,639	1. THERE HAS BEEN AN ELECTION SINCE THEN. 2. THR PARLIAMENTARY ARITHMETIC IS LIKE THID BECAUSE OF SAID ELECTION. EVERY VOTE. EVERY SEAT. 3. IT WAS A NON BINDING REFERENDUM WITH 50% SUPPORT OR 27% OF THE POPULATION. 4. LEAVE VOTED FOR A NORWAY MODEL. THIS IS NOT THAT. 5. ASK THE PEOPLE AGAIN. IT'S BEEN THREE YEARS AND THE FIRST RESULT WASN'T CONCLUSIVE AT ALL!!! 6. Even if true, which it's NOT, you said "this time". Boom. Destroying the constitution with these types of lrecedencts destroys democracy. The end.


Long Dong Silver View member profile	16th September 2019, 09:17 AM Post #656
Buffy/Charmed Joined: 18 April 2013 Posts: 44,107 User: 18,639	QUOTE(Common Sense @ Sep 16 2019, 10:11 AM) I know I'm talking to a broken record but what our PM wants to do this time is the right thing. To implement the result of the referendum. What's the point of holding one then, millions spent for nothing? The courts shouldn't be interfering in politics either, just as The Queen doesn't. Then maybe politicians should obey the law!!! Hitler and the Nazis also thought the courts shouldn't interfere How does it feel to agree with them on that??? This REEEALLY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE EXPLAINED, but if you really are THAT thick, well okay, gammon: 1. In democracries rule of law is paramount. 2. In any democracy, the law will need to be obeyed by everyone, including rulers. 3. The courts will have to oversee the system to make sure everyone is following the rules/ rule of law. 4. This includes oh yes the government and leaders. 5. If the government wasn't included, it could do what the f*** it wamted. Dictatorship. It coulf strip your benefits just because. There would be no court to appeal to as supreme glorious leader and pals would be above it.


crazy chris View member profile	16th September 2019, 09:20 AM Post #657
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 7 March 2006 Posts: 22,001 User: 53	QUOTE(Algernon Monqueef @ Sep 16 2019, 10:17 AM) Then maybe politicians should obey the law!!! Hitler and the Nazis also thought the courts shouldn't interfere How does it feel to agree with them on that??? Hitler and the Nazis have nothing to do with this yet you seem a little obsessed with them.


crazy chris View member profile	16th September 2019, 09:23 AM Post #658
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 7 March 2006 Posts: 22,001 User: 53	Now they're saying the restaurant industry's going under because of Brexit. Everything's being blamed on Brexit when there must be other factors too and we haven't even left yet! More than 1,400 UK restaurants collapsed in the year since June 2018 due to increased costs due to collapsed pound and decreased footfall due to lack of consumer confidence. Both of which are a direct result of brexit. If they didn't charge so much for miniscule portions they'd get more people in so wouldn't be closing. This post has been edited by Common Sense: 16th September 2019, 09:25 AM


Suedehead2 View member profile	16th September 2019, 09:24 AM Post #659
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,676 User: 3,272	QUOTE(Common Sense @ Sep 16 2019, 09:00 AM) Well if the law wasn't such an ass he wouldn't have to seek loopholes and flount it. MP's are just trying to deny the will of the people. At least Boris wants to implement the result of the referendum with no further delays which is the right thing to do. Watch this country erupt if we don't leave then. No-one will go to work and everyone will be on the streets. No, MPs are doing their job. They are holding the government to account and voting for what they believe to be in the best interests of the country. Why can't you accept that "the will of the people" simply isn't an argument for doing anything? As for your second point, rather a large proportion of Leave voters are retired so not going to work will just mean carrying on as normal.


Long Dong Silver View member profile	16th September 2019, 09:25 AM Post #660
Buffy/Charmed Joined: 18 April 2013 Posts: 44,107 User: 18,639	QUOTE(Common Sense @ Sep 16 2019, 10:20 AM) Hitler and the Nazis have nothing to do with this yet you seem a little obsessed with them. And yet the parallels are right there. You scream about werlll of perperrl, on a minority vote, 27% of population, and defend shutting down parliament over it. You think the courts shouldn't have power over your chosen leader. The leave campaign used Nazi propaganda too btw. What's that? Parallels. So how does it feel to agree with them r.e courts and politics?