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Posted by: neill2407 9th April 2023, 02:11 PM
What are your opinions? Is this a political stunt to stop Trump from being re-elected?
Posted by: Jessie Where 9th April 2023, 05:52 PM
Only insane, deluded people think that.
Posted by: neill2407 9th April 2023, 06:38 PM
I am not saying it is political but was looking for a good debate. Whether you like trump or not, I thought the prosecutor was a democrat? Given the allegations are alleged to have happened in 2017, why hasn’t it been brought to court sooner?
Posted by: J00prstar 9th April 2023, 06:52 PM
Because a sitting President can't be charged, no?
Posted by: Iz 💀 10th April 2023, 05:43 AM
I doubt it's a stunt, it's an inevitable consequence of someone being rich and famous and therefore many roadblocks to charging them. They've been pursuing this for years and only stepped up the investigation once he was out of office.
of course he SHOULD be being charged for far more heinous crimes, like, idk, sedition and incitement to violence but the American justice system will never have the courage to do that, it's enough trying to get them to charge a former president at all.
Posted by: crazy chris 12th April 2023, 05:26 PM
Yes but it's having the opposite effect and he's soaring in the polls.
Posted by: Doctor Blind 12th April 2023, 08:59 PM
It's not a political stunt - if it was, it would be a very stupid one as it will likely temporarily boost Trump's popularity within the more unhinged factions of Republican party and strengthen his support base. It feeds into their bizarre and frankly insane conspiracy theories. He may just stand down and decide it isn't worth the hassle running in 2024 but we, and indeed those bringing the charges, have no way of knowing how this will impact on that decision or outcome.
The wealthy and powerful aren't treated the same as the rest of us; that will be exposed in this trial, because whilst blatant and large-scale corruption from the rich occurs and goes largely unpunished, at the same time the relatively smaller and less significant crimes (occuring indirectly of these actions by the rich/powerful, as a result of increasing levels of deprivation, scarcity and wealth/health inequalities) will always disproportionately be penalised. This is because justice is served out based on who you are and how much power you have.
Trump won't be going to jail, lots of those around him have, and he'll do the usual tiresome, played-out routine of playing the victim to shore up supporters. I believe this inditement is very small fry in terms of some of the upcoming charges that could be brought against him, I suspect these legal challenges will be going on for some time, e.g. literally threatening the Georgia governor (this is on tape) to 'find votes' to overturn the result and inciting the overthrowing of the US government on 6 Jan 2021.
Posted by: neill2407 9th May 2023, 10:29 PM
Well Trump was found guilty at his trial of sexual assault but not rape. He’s been fined 5 million in damages. As it’s a civil case, he won’t face jail but will it impact on his presidential run? It certainly won’t stop him from running but surely this calls into question his suitability to even be running.
Posted by: Smint 10th May 2023, 10:49 PM
I think the "suitability" question was answered years ago and the fact that none of his Republican rivals dare criticise him when found guilty of sexual assault speaks volumes. What with De Santis failing to impress (thankfully as he's even worse in some ways) it means he'll be the nominee and promoting violence against minorities at every turn (hate crimes sky rockets during Election campaigns). 2024 will be very scary.
Posted by: Smint 11th May 2023, 07:46 PM
And yesterday Trump got an hour "townhall" style interview on CNN where in an audience made up of allegedly undecided and Independent voters he told lie after lie about January 6, the 2020 election result being rigged, building the alleged "wall" and also found time to call the anchor a "nasty person" and mocked the victim in the sexual assault court case that he was found guilty of yesterday. All to applause and laughs from the audience. Very ugly stuff.
Posted by: Chez Wombat 11th May 2023, 07:57 PM
Homelander from The Boys really gets his persona spot on - he could kill a person and his deranged cult wouldn't bat an eyelid. It's pretty horrifying that there is still even a question whether he should be running, but I'm still confident that society is not at a low enough point and that there are still enough people with brains in the States that they will not elect a criminal and sex offender even if he is the nomination. It's just gonna sink the Republicans even further especially as people finally seem to be waking up to their fascist tendencies so it could even be a blessing in disguise.
Posted by: neill2407 12th May 2023, 10:06 AM
I watched an interview he did on tv and it was laughable. He claims the judge in the sexual assault trial allowed the victim to present everything but his side were not given an opportunity to present their evidence but this is a man who chose not to attend his own trial to give his defence. It was full of the usual false claims which are not backed up with any evidence about the election being rigged and how he will end the Ukraine war within a day. How on earth is he going to do that? The most worrying thing was the fact he intends to allow the rioters to be pardoned if elected which sends out a message that behaviour is entirely acceptable and he has shown no remorse for his actions.
Posted by: Iz 💀 12th May 2023, 10:24 AM
If that was the CNN town hall it's being widely condemned across American politics - a great example of how not to platform, they let him come on and talk his talking points to an audience of geriatrics who seal clap his every word. The day after he's found liable for sexual assault.
Add being a proven sex pest to that list.
Posted by: Jessie Where 12th May 2023, 11:04 AM
He's the master of painting himself as a victim in any situation, and his army of sheep will just blindly follow whatever he says without question.
Posted by: neill2407 12th May 2023, 11:24 AM
Very true - he reminds me of Boris Johnson. Full of baloney.
Posted by: neill2407 9th June 2023, 03:55 PM
So Trump is being indicted for the second time. Will this impact on his chances to run for president? It will be interesting to see how this pans out. It’s unlikely to get to trial until next year anyway.
Posted by: Big Fat Sue 9th June 2023, 04:56 PM
The UK and USA are oligarchies. The richest and most powerful are above reproach. Nothing will happen to him.
Posted by: neill2407 9th June 2023, 07:53 PM
Well it looks like he will fight the battle anyway but interested to see what happens. People in power can afford good legal representation and obviously that will go some way in his favour.
Posted by: Iz 💀 10th June 2023, 06:33 AM
So currently we're at 37 counts of keeping hundreds of classified documents, some of Trump's lawyers have already resigned, Trump twice disclosed national security information in 2021, and Trump is due to surrender himself to authorities on Tuesday.
He might be going to prison huh.
Posted by: neill2407 10th June 2023, 03:01 PM
He might be going to prison huh.
He could face prison but I think it’s unlikely and by the time it gets to trial, he may be re-elected and will try and strike the whole case out of court.
Posted by: Anita Hanjaab 18th July 2023, 10:10 PM
Soo looks like he might be gettin charged with sedition after all? 👀👀 Bur the Uas's justixe system is so politicised, that I doubt it matters. He will get off scott free.
Posted by: Iz 💀 2nd August 2023, 08:27 AM
More Trump indictments! More Trump indictments!
This is now going to a federal grand jury about his conduct during Jan 6 *.*
Posted by: Smint 2nd August 2023, 10:54 AM
But I'm taking it that whatever happens, even if jailed, then he can run for President in 2024? That's majorly wrong on all levels.
Posted by: Doctor Blind 2nd August 2023, 12:05 PM
Yeah, this is the big one - we've got the tape recording of him threatening Georgia's Secretary of State.
*.*
I've got a present for Chris...
Posted by: Iz 💀 2nd August 2023, 03:58 PM
True but if he sees serious consequences before the primaries even start, as it looks like this latest indictment is actually angling to do, then I would be hugely sceptical of him clearing each hurdle.
The RNC, as much as they’re in thrall to Trump’s cult would probably balk at their candidate running from a jail cell, including going all in on another, weaker candidate, and even if they don’t it would put his chances of winning from unlikely as they are now to vanishingly small. 62% of Americans right now think he shouldn’t be allowed to serve if convicted of something like this. This is very good news.
Posted by: Manjobee 2nd August 2023, 04:38 PM
The country is now so partisan that I don't know... He'll runa nd be the candidate even if he's in jail, and he will have a good chance of winning. These neolib centre right wingers change NOTHING and people then have to look elsewhere for change, and then you end up with Trump (again, as the Dems didn't learn their lesson last time).
Posted by: Silas 2nd August 2023, 05:31 PM
I guess it’ll come down to if any of the charges result in a ban from office upon conviction. If it’s just jail time and he wins he’ll just pardon himself - regardless of the legality of that
Posted by: Smint 2nd August 2023, 06:30 PM
I can't see any way on God's earth that Trump can win in 2024. He lost comprehensively before 1/6 and all the other crazy shit had come out and his closely aligned candidates flopped at the mid terms last year. He could inspire more violence although he tried raising the alarm last year and, in the real world not online, his followers weren't seen for dust.
I think De Santis would be more dangerous, but luckily he has no charisma whatsoever. That said think all the other lead candidates are gun worshipping ultra homophobes too.
Posted by: Manjobee 2nd August 2023, 06:51 PM
He won't be barred from office. That's true - and it will give him evrn more of a reason to try and win: pardon himself, sismiss any cases going through thr Justice Department, and get out of jail.
Posted by: crazy chris 3rd August 2023, 07:15 PM
Back in court in DC 4pm local time, 9pm UK time. Coverage now on Sky News.
This is the most serious of the charges.
Still think he'll beat De Santis to the nomination but sleepy Joe will beat him next November.
Posted by: Manjobee 3rd August 2023, 10:23 PM
Should be chaeged with full-on sedition. Vile beast.
Posted by: Suedehead2 4th August 2023, 07:14 PM
Serial Liar Pleads Not Guilty To Crimes Against Democracy would be a suitable headline.
Posted by: neill2407 6th August 2023, 04:07 PM
Trump is also facing further arrest in the next few weeks in relation to another case being brought against him for putting pressure on election officials. That will be his 4th arrest. I think the election could go either way. It depends on timeframes in terms of how quick the cases get through court and whether he is found guilty. Trump will try and use his legal perils to his advantage by saying the state is corrupt and spreading more lies about election fraud. He is a dangerous man who should never have been president in the first place and should never be allowed to run again.
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