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 9th June 2018, 10:30 AM
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 Queen of Soon
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St George's day isn't even a bank holiday. St Andrew's day may be in the darkest depths of November but at least it's a bank holiday
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9th June 2018, 10:33 AM
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QUOTE(T Boy @ Jun 9 2018, 11:24 AM)  And exactly what does that entail? St David’s and St Patrick’s Day are well known events and are big parts of Welsh and Irish culture. Most English people don’t know when St George’s Day is. Events are held over the country, businesses run promotions and events, there are church services, parades, heritage events etc |
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9th June 2018, 12:13 PM
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Say that hiss with your chest, and...
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QUOTE(Iz @ Jun 8 2018, 10:20 PM) Not even that OK what about World War 2 and stopping the Nazis from invading through the Battle Of Britain, that would probably be a better source of English pride. I know people from all over Britain and NI took part in the war but of course it was southern England that directly faced occupied Europe. |
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9th June 2018, 01:32 PM
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QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Jun 9 2018, 11:30 AM) St George's day isn't even a bank holiday. St Andrew's day may be in the darkest depths of November but at least it's a bank holiday St David’s Day isn’t a holiday either, but you know it’s happening if you’re in Weeyals on March 1st. Eisteddfods are held in schools, people wear daffodils (Marie Curie usually), people eat Bara Brith, etc. QUOTE(ebae @ Jun 9 2018, 11:33 AM) Events are held over the country, businesses run promotions and events, there are church services, parades, heritage events etc Saying they’re events and promotions is pretty vague. There’s always events and promotions for things, but what specifically do people do to celebrate St George’s Day? I can’t think of anything. |
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9th June 2018, 04:13 PM
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QUOTE(Queef Of Peas @ Jun 9 2018, 01:13 PM) OK what about World War 2 and stopping the Nazis from invading through the Battle Of Britain, that would probably be a better source of English pride. I know people from all over Britain and NI took part in the war but of course it was southern England that directly faced occupied Europe. Correction - people from all over the world took part in the Battle of Britain. The Poles did so with great distinction as the single most effective fighter squadron involved. The fightning may have been largely over Southern England but the belief that we fought Hitler alone for a year is a lie as almost the entire Commonwealth fought with us in one service or another List of non'British combat pilots below Poland 141 or 145 New Zealand 127 or 135 Canada 112 Czechoslovakia 84or 88 Belgium 28or 30 Australia 26or 32 South Africa 22 or 25 France 13 or 14 Ireland 10 United States 9 or 11 Southern Rhodesia 3 Jamaica 1 Barbados 1 Newfoundland 1 Northern Rhodesia 1 |
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9th June 2018, 05:32 PM
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Queen of Soon
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QUOTE(T Boy @ Jun 9 2018, 01:32 PM) St David’s Day isn’t a holiday either, but you know it’s happening if you’re in Weeyals on March 1st. Eisteddfods are held in schools, people wear daffodils (Marie Curie usually), people eat Bara Brith, etc. Saying they’re events and promotions is pretty vague. There’s always events and promotions for things, but what specifically do people do to celebrate St George’s Day? I can’t think of anything. My local morrisons did a pepperoni pizza with the pepperoni in a st george's cross. #englishculture |
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9th June 2018, 10:04 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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QUOTE(Severin @ Jun 9 2018, 05:13 PM) Correction - people from all over the world took part in the Battle of Britain. The Poles did so with great distinction as the single most effective fighter squadron involved. The fightning may have been largely over Southern England but the belief that we fought Hitler alone for a year is a lie as almost the entire Commonwealth fought with us in one service or another List of non'British combat pilots below Poland 141 or 145 New Zealand 127 or 135 Canada 112 Czechoslovakia 84or 88 Belgium 28or 30 Australia 26or 32 South Africa 22 or 25 France 13 or 14 Ireland 10 United States 9 or 11 Southern Rhodesia 3 Jamaica 1 Barbados 1 Newfoundland 1 Northern Rhodesia 1 Thanks for this. It nicely demonstrates our historical closeness with Poland, explains why there so many Polish people around when I was growing up (two married friends of our family were brutalised by Nazis during the war) and why so many Polish wanted to come and work once it was allowed because of historical ties, not expecting to end up becoming targets of hate and blame for all our ills. |
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10th June 2018, 02:50 AM
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Yep. We went to war ultimately over the issue over Poland's invasion and whilst there was nothing we could realistically do at the time to defend them we accepted those who fled the nazis and they repaid us by fighting to retain our freedom.
We as a nation often refer to the Americans, the French, Australians, Canadians, etc, and even the German's (despite the wars we're actually really similar) as our great friends and yet somehow don't give the Poles enough credit. |
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10th June 2018, 05:33 AM
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QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ Jun 9 2018, 11:04 PM) Thanks for this. It nicely demonstrates our historical closeness with Poland, explains why there so many Polish people around when I was growing up (two married friends of our family were brutalised by Nazis during the war) and why so many Polish wanted to come and work once it was allowed because of historical ties, not expecting to end up becoming targets of hate and blame for all our ills. You do realise it is only 1% of extreme-right loonies that do that, even most Leavers have no problem with them - I certainly don't. |
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10th June 2018, 08:28 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jun 10 2018, 06:33 AM) You do realise it is only 1% of extreme-right loonies that do that, even most Leavers have no problem with them - I certainly don't. Errr made up percentage. My memories of events in the referendum, the mass hysteria afterwards, the anti-immigrant press, and conversations with various people from various stations in life over the last 15 years suggest to me the number is quite large (I come from Mansfield where feeling against the Polish is really quite strong, and voted Tory, unthinkable only 10 years ago in one of the most Labour-leaning anti-Posh-Tory parts of the country). The Polish friends of the family I knew also lived in Mansfield and the feeling wasn't generally prevalent back in the 60's and 70's and 80's - when there were less of them, and they were older War refugees, and their kids spoke with British accents despite the funny surname. Even Brexiters KNOW that immigration is the main factor. Remember Nigel Farage's Hitler-styled hate poster? If it's not then we can just accept freedom of movement and stay in the Single Market and avoid harming our economy. You can always refresh your memory by looking back on old threads, of course, dating from the referendum era. |
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10th June 2018, 09:00 AM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ Jun 10 2018, 09:28 AM) Errr made up percentage. My memories of events in the referendum, the mass hysteria afterwards, the anti-immigrant press, and conversations with various people from various stations in life over the last 15 years suggest to me the number is quite large (I come from Mansfield where feeling against the Polish is really quite strong, and voted Tory, unthinkable only 10 years ago in one of the most Labour-leaning anti-Posh-Tory parts of the country). The Polish friends of the family I knew also lived in Mansfield and the feeling wasn't generally prevalent back in the 60's and 70's and 80's - when there were less of them, and they were older War refugees, and their kids spoke with British accents despite the funny surname. Not entirely made-up - it's roughly based on the sort of % extreme-right groups get in national elections. ISTM what we have is a problem of definition here : To me, extreme-right means people who vote BNP/NF/Britain First etc, and/or who go around attacking immigrants/gays/jews etc. You seem to have a much broader definition, one that includes even unconscious prejudice? 
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10th June 2018, 09:01 AM
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Queen of Soon
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Exactly, most leavers do have a problem with the 2004 expansion of the EU and free movement. It was quite literally all over the media. GTFO with your revisionist BS.
We're leaving the EU coz Ethel doesn't like hearing Polish in Tesco when she's gathering her messages with her Zimmer frame. |
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10th June 2018, 09:09 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jun 10 2018, 10:00 AM) Not entirely made-up - it's roughly based on the sort of % extreme-right groups get in national elections. ISTM what we have is a problem of definition here : To me, extreme-right means people who vote BNP/NF/Britain First etc, and/or who go around attacking immigrants/gays/jews etc. You seem to have a much broader definition, one that includes even unconscious prejudice? So, by the same logic, the far left is restricted to people who vote Communist etc? |
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10th June 2018, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jun 10 2018, 10:00 AM) Not entirely made-up - it's roughly based on the sort of % extreme-right groups get in national elections. ISTM what we have is a problem of definition here : To me, extreme-right means people who vote BNP/NF/Britain First etc, and/or who go around attacking immigrants/gays/jews etc. You seem to have a much broader definition, one that includes even unconscious prejudice? No I said "hate and blame" and you are choosing to list only people who have been actually attacked, either physically (which will be less than one percent) or verbally (which will be more than one percent by quite some way). That some people hold those views without wanting to confront someone face to face when they think they might get a black eye or reported for hate crimes, does not in ANY way mean that they don't feel that way. It just means they don't act on it. You only have to give people a sudden excuse to act on their prejudices and they will (see nazism, the attacks after the referendum). I'm not including unconscious prejudice at all. I specifically mentioned all of the experiences I have had are with people expressing opinions to me that they don't express as soon as a foreign carer, Polish plumber, Indian Doctor, tesco till-server from Latvia is in earshot. That said Ive also been witness to outrageous direct personal bouts of racism throughout my life including that old regular chestnut "f*** off back to your own country/die faggot" - to me - among many other overused classics. And sexism. Homophobia. Totally, totally exists in fairly high quantities, though the majority of people are fair, large numbers aren't. This is a worldwide problem and nothing to do with far-left, far-right, or anything you care to analyse - they just give them platforms to excuse those views. Racist are ALWAYS looking for movements to bring some good ol foreigner bashing in. Feel free to google parliament and nazis (aka far-right trendy groups named otherwise) marching for hate yesterday... You should get out of sleepy Cheltenham more. |
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10th June 2018, 10:13 AM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ Jun 10 2018, 10:22 AM) No I said "hate and blame" and you are choosing to list only people who have been actually attacked, either physically (which will be less than one percent) or verbally (which will be more than one percent by quite some way). That some people hold those views without wanting to confront someone face to face when they think they might get a black eye or reported for hate crimes, does not in ANY way mean that they don't feel that way. It just means they don't act on it. You only have to give people a sudden excuse to act on their prejudices and they will (see nazism, the attacks after the referendum). Fortunately we don't live in an Orwellian society where thought = crime. IMO if you don't act in any way on any prejudice you might have, then it doesn't matter if you have 'prejudiced' *thoughts*. QUOTE I'm not including unconscious prejudice at all. I specifically mentioned all of the experiences I have had are with people expressing opinions to me that they don't express as soon as a foreign carer, Polish plumber, Indian Doctor, tesco till-server from Latvia is in earshot. I would class the above as covert prejudice, since it is not expressed directly to the person concerned so they cannot be offended by it.QUOTE That said Ive also been witness to outrageous direct personal bouts of racism throughout my life including that old regular chestnut "f*** off back to your own country/die faggot" - to me - among many other overused classics. And sexism. Homophobia. Well, I can't disagree the above is very wrong. QUOTE Totally, totally exists in fairly high quantities, though the majority of people are fair, large numbers aren't. This is a worldwide problem and nothing to do with far-left, far-right, or anything you care to analyse - they just give them platforms to excuse those views. Racist are ALWAYS looking for movements to bring some good ol foreigner bashing in. Feel free to google parliament and nazis (aka far-right trendy groups named otherwise) marching for hate yesterday... You should get out of sleepy Cheltenham more. What - you think Cheltenham is any different? |
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10th June 2018, 11:19 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jun 10 2018, 11:13 AM) Fortunately we don't live in an Orwellian society where thought = crime. IMO if you don't act in any way on any prejudice you might have, then it doesn't matter if you have 'prejudiced' *thoughts*. I would class the above as covert prejudice, since it is not expressed directly to the person concerned so they cannot be offended by it. Well, I can't disagree the above is very wrong. What - you think Cheltenham is any different? 1. Pointless statement 2. Being prejudiced is being prejudiced. Personally, my view is holding those views is worse than those who actually say what they believe to someone's face. The others are hiding their nastiness behind a false facade. Two-faced, I think you could call them. I can't stand hypocrisy. Thanks for trying to change the conversation to something else though, rather than your original incorrect statement. 3. Cheltenham is quite posh. Gloucester is more working class. I doubt Cheltenham has the same sorts of issues as some areas of the country, nor the same make-up of residents. I stand to be corrected of course... |
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10th June 2018, 02:14 PM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ Jun 10 2018, 12:19 PM) 1. Pointless statement I'm sorry you thin so, as it's a the top of a slippery slope... [ QUOTE 2. Being prejudiced is being prejudiced. Personally, my view is holding those views is worse than those who actually say what they believe to someone's face. The others are hiding their nastiness behind a false facade. Two-faced, I think you could call them. I can't stand hypocrisy. Well what choice do they have, when if they do speak up the risk getting arrested for HateSpeech? Surely you must realise that punishing people for expressing prejudiced views does not make the views go away - in fact it's more likely to reinforce them! QUOTE 3. Cheltenham is quite posh. Gloucester is more working class. I doubt Cheltenham has the same sorts of issues as some areas of the country, nor the same make-up of residents. I stand to be corrected of course... WE many not have the same levels of such crimes as other parts of the country, but we certainly aren't free of them... https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/...ham-boy-1458864 https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/...-attack-1229441 This shows the centre of town, but the area can bee redrawn to cover other areas... https://www.police.uk/gloucestershire/AB2/crime/ |
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