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Steve201 View member profile	May 26 2019, 11:58 PM Post #221
Shakin Stevens Joined: 29 December 2007 Posts: 46,140 User: 5,138	Tories haven't come top of the poll in a single Local Authority - worst performance since 1832. In a GE they would have won 0 seats in the House of Commons.


Silas View member profile	May 27 2019, 12:10 AM Post #222
Queen of Soon Joined: 24 May 2007 Posts: 74,072 User: 3,474	QUOTE(coi @ May 27 2019, 12:42 AM) So far then, with just Scotland and NI to go, it’s 28 for the Brexit Party, 15 for the Lib Dems, 10 for Labour, 7 for the Greens, 3 for the Conservatives, and one for Plaid Cymru. Given that it’s only the Western Isles still to declare (they won’t count on a Sunday) the Scottish result is de facto in. The islands aren’t big enough to change anything. 3 SNP 1 Nazi 1 Lib Dem 1 Cuntservative Great for the SNP. Substantially more than double the percentage of 2nd and a substantial rejection of Ruth Davidson’s “vote Tory to tell Nicola no more referendums (for those counting this is now the 4th election Ruth has fought and lost substantially to the SNP on that platform” The mainland has gone wholly SNP yellow, we were 5% behind in Shetland which is amazing and we will probably win the Western Isles tomorrow. When you look on a map, it’s mad to think that Scotland is the same country as England/Wales. You’d never think it


Harve View member profile	May 27 2019, 12:13 AM Post #223
Cœur poids plume Joined: 3 November 2007 Posts: 18,129 User: 4,718	QUOTE(Steve201 @ May 27 2019, 12:57 AM) It wasn't a fringe issue in 2014, the referendum was the elephant in the room with a Tory win one year later meaning it would be on the horizon. The UKIP win then affected that result hugely! It might've been a topic at Tory conference but the public weren't engaged with the issue of EU membership at all. Even the 2014-15 UKIP campaigns focused on migration as much as they did EU membership.


Suedehead2 View member profile	May 27 2019, 12:17 AM Post #224
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,653 User: 3,272	QUOTE(Steve201 @ May 27 2019, 12:58 AM) Tories haven't come top of the poll in a single Local Authority - worst performance since 1832. In a GE they would have won 0 seats in the House of Commons. Oh dear, what a shame


Steve201 View member profile	May 27 2019, 12:24 AM Post #225
Shakin Stevens Joined: 29 December 2007 Posts: 46,140 User: 5,138	QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ May 27 2019, 01:10 AM) Given that it’s only the Western Isles still to declare (they won’t count on a Sunday) the Scottish result is de facto in. The islands aren’t big enough to change anything. 3 SNP 1 Nazi 1 Lib Dem 1 Cuntservative Great for the SNP. Substantially more than double the percentage of 2nd and a substantial rejection of Ruth Davidson’s “vote Tory to tell Nicola no more referendums (for those counting this is now the 4th election Ruth has fought and lost substantially to the SNP on that platform” The mainland has gone wholly SNP yellow, we were 5% behind in Shetland which is amazing and we will probably win the Western Isles tomorrow. When you look on a map, it’s mad to think that Scotland is the same country as England/Wales. You’d never think it It isnt the same country though What's the difference between a c**t and a Nazi?


Steve201 View member profile	May 27 2019, 12:25 AM Post #226
Shakin Stevens Joined: 29 December 2007 Posts: 46,140 User: 5,138	QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ May 27 2019, 01:17 AM) Oh dear, what a shame GE a different beast obviously but fun to see all the same. Awaits new Tory leadership candidates to become arch brexiteers all of a sudden!!


coi View member profile	May 27 2019, 12:26 AM Post #227
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 23 June 2018 Posts: 9,511 User: 73,240	When even the SNP are set to get more votes than UKIP or Change UK...


Suedehead2 View member profile	May 27 2019, 12:31 AM Post #228
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,653 User: 3,272	Lib Dems finished top in Hammersmith and Fulham by a long way. Another extraordinary result.


Silas View member profile	May 27 2019, 12:33 AM Post #229
Queen of Soon Joined: 24 May 2007 Posts: 74,072 User: 3,474	QUOTE(Steve201 @ May 27 2019, 01:24 AM) It isnt the same country though What's the difference between a ct and a Nazi? That depends entirely on who you ask. Becoming harder and harder for unionists to say that we’re better together or one country. The difference appears to just be the shade of blue they prefer QUOTE(coi @ May 27 2019, 01:26 AM) When even the SNP are set to get more votes than UKIP or Change UK... And still John Curtice won’t add us to the remain parties tally and yet UKIP get added to the leave tally. His cards firmly f*ing marked


Harve View member profile	May 27 2019, 12:39 AM Post #230
Cœur poids plume Joined: 3 November 2007 Posts: 18,129 User: 4,718	QUOTE(Harve @ May 26 2019, 06:20 PM) My percentage prediction for GB. Haven't put too much thought into the exact percentages but: BXP: 34 LD: 23 Lab: 12 Grn: 9.5 Con: 9.5 SNP: 4.5 UKIP: 4 CUK: 2 Plaid: 1 That's more pessimistic than most of those analysing the turnout figures. Hoping I'm wrong. BXP: 31.5 LD: 20.5 Lab: 14 Grn: 12 Con: 9 SNP: 3.5 CUK: 3.5 UKIP: 3.5 Plaid: 1 Pretty good! I was too optimistic for all of the right wing parties so yay.


coi View member profile	May 27 2019, 12:43 AM Post #231
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 23 June 2018 Posts: 9,511 User: 73,240	So with almost all of the UK’s votes counted we can start to reflect on it. The Brexit Party finish convincingly ahead of the rest with 31.6% of the votes, the Lib Dems have a fairly impressive 20.3% to easily take second, Labour have 14.1%, the Greens have improved to a decent 12.1%, the Conservatives have dropped to just 9.1%, the SNP have 3.6% and, despite only being in Scotland, their landslide in the region gets them more votes than Change UK (3.4%) and UKIP (3.3%). Plaid Cymru have 1% and of course one MEP. Also worth considering that turnout is at 36.7%. I’m heading off now, I’ll leave you to keep discussing it.


Steve201 View member profile	May 27 2019, 12:44 AM Post #232
Shakin Stevens Joined: 29 December 2007 Posts: 46,140 User: 5,138	QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ May 27 2019, 01:33 AM) That depends entirely on who you ask. Becoming harder and harder for unionists to say that we’re better together or one country. The difference appears to just be the shade of blue they prefer And still John Curtice won’t add us to the remain parties tally and yet UKIP get added to the leave tally. His cards firmly f***ing marked Lol he can't because people vote for nationalist parties for other reasons other than Brexit so he's breaking up the vote between leave and remain! Brexit has lead to the SNP getting an extra 5-7 years of total hegemony in Scotland and possibly another independence vote in that time.


Steve201 View member profile	May 27 2019, 12:45 AM Post #233
Shakin Stevens Joined: 29 December 2007 Posts: 46,140 User: 5,138	QUOTE(coi @ May 27 2019, 01:43 AM) So with almost all of the UK’s votes counted we can start to reflect on it. The Brexit Party finish convincingly ahead of the rest with 31.6% of the votes, the Lib Dems have a fairly impressive 20.3% to easily take second, Labour have 14.1%, the Greens have improved to a decent 12.1%, the Conservatives have dropped to just 9.1%, the SNP have 3.6% and, despite only being in Scotland, their landslide in the region gets them more votes than Change UK (3.4%) and UKIP (3.3%). Plaid Cymru have 1% and of course one MEP. Also worth considering that turnout is at 36.7%. I’m heading off now, I’ll leave you to keep discussing it. Yes the turnout is important. 37% compared to 72% in the 2016 referendum.


coi View member profile	May 27 2019, 12:49 AM Post #234
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 23 June 2018 Posts: 9,511 User: 73,240	QUOTE(Steve201 @ May 27 2019, 01:45 AM) Yes the turnout is important. 37% compared to 72% in the 2016 referendum. Yes, more people voted to leave in that referendum than even voted in this election (so far, I expect that might change) so of course there’s only so much we can speculate! This post has been edited by coi: May 27 2019, 12:49 AM


Silas View member profile	May 27 2019, 12:50 AM Post #235
Queen of Soon Joined: 24 May 2007 Posts: 74,072 User: 3,474	QUOTE(Steve201 @ May 27 2019, 01:44 AM) Lol he can't because people vote for nationalist parties for other reasons other than Brexit so he's breaking up the vote between leave and remain! Brexit has lead to the SNP getting an extra 5-7 years of total hegemony in Scotland and possibly another independence vote in that time. Both Plaid and the SNP are aggressively pro-Remain. The SNP tabled a revoke option in Westminster- they’re arguably THE most remain party in the UK. It’s misleading and manipulative to exclude 4.5% share of the vote from the pro-remain pile. The only explanation is that is distorts whatever pro-Brexit narrative the bbc we’re trying to push today. As anyone with a brain cell has been saying all along. Brexit will end the UK and English colonialism once and for all


Silas View member profile	May 27 2019, 12:52 AM Post #236
Queen of Soon Joined: 24 May 2007 Posts: 74,072 User: 3,474	QUOTE(coi @ May 27 2019, 01:49 AM) Yes, more people voted to leave in that referendum than even voted in this election (so far, I expect that might change) so of course there’s only so much we can speculate! That’s not a valid comparison to make. A lot of political commentators are doing everything but compare this to 2014 which is astonishing as they get paid to not make these ridiculous f*** ups


coi View member profile	May 27 2019, 12:55 AM Post #237
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 23 June 2018 Posts: 9,511 User: 73,240	QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ May 27 2019, 01:52 AM) That’s not a valid comparison to make. A lot of political commentators are doing everything but compare this to 2014 which is astonishing as they get paid to not make these ridiculous f*** ups Of course, it’s just to emphasise the low turnout in comparison to that referendum for people like them that are putting remain and leave piles together as if it was a second referendum. These are indeed European elections like we had in 2014, although to be fair it’s not that easy to compare as the party that had the most votes in this election didn’t even exist at the time of the last one.


Steve201 View member profile	May 27 2019, 12:58 AM Post #238
Shakin Stevens Joined: 29 December 2007 Posts: 46,140 User: 5,138	I take your point about the SNP, I mean they are only 5% behind the tories nationally 🙈 But they can't compare SNP votes in Scotland with Tory/Labour/Lib Dem votes throughout the UK which is the point at hand tbf.


Harve View member profile	May 27 2019, 12:58 AM Post #239
Cœur poids plume Joined: 3 November 2007 Posts: 18,129 User: 4,718	QUOTE(Steve201 @ May 27 2019, 01:44 AM) Lol he can't because people vote for nationalist parties for other reasons other than Brexit so he's breaking up the vote between leave and remain! About 80% of the SNP's current vote would vote Remain in a second referendum. This was as low as two thirds in the past, but the demographics of independence voters has changed since then. John Curtice's maths also implies that just 24% (Greens + LD + Change) of Scotland voted for a pro-Remain party which is clearly ridiculous given its voting history. This post has been edited by Harve: May 27 2019, 01:01 AM


Iz 🌟 View member profile	May 27 2019, 01:23 AM Post #240
I'm a paragon so don't perceive me Joined: 3 February 2011 Posts: 37,409 User: 12,929	QUOTE(Steve201 @ May 27 2019, 12:58 AM) I take your point about the SNP, I mean they are only 5% behind the tories nationally 🙈 But they can't compare SNP votes in Scotland with Tory/Labour/Lib Dem votes throughout the UK which is the point at hand tbf. But if we are to draw any inference from SNP votes being large in Scotland it has to be that they are taking the same kind of votes that Lib Dems, Greens and to an extent Labour are taking in England. Same for Plaid, I mean, they have the remain seat in Wales now. Not the Tories and certainly not the far-right lot. As Harve points out, the amount of people voting for the SNP yet still wanting out of the EU is very low. So Scotland is clearly pro-Remain... as it has always been.