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 11th June 2016, 03:07 PM
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There's always been talk on Buzzjack that as streaming grows the OCC might reduce the number of streams to make a sale to reflect that, would this be a good thing for the charts if it does happen?
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11th June 2016, 03:10 PM
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BuzzJack Gold Member
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I don't know why people keep saying this. It's entirely unnecessary because streaming is already having more and more influence on the chart because the numbers keep going up. If anything it should be switched to 200-1.
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11th June 2016, 03:48 PM
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The ratio will very likely not be changed anytime soon. People should just accept how it is.
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11th June 2016, 03:52 PM
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Though I do agree something should be done, I can't see it ever happening. I think the reality is is that we live in a streaming world now!
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11th June 2016, 04:10 PM
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These threads are becoming the bane of this site
 The only thing the OCC did wrong was not introduce streaming earlier to the chart. |
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11th June 2016, 06:14 PM
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It's not that streaming is not being measured properly - it's that for decades listening habits were not being recorded properly. They could only record sales and not what was actually being listened to. Now the charts reflect more what is being listened to rather than what is selling.
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11th June 2016, 11:46 PM
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They should add YouTube streams / plays too your listening to the song on there after all
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12th June 2016, 12:25 AM
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QUOTE(777666jason @ Jun 12 2016, 12:46 AM)  They should add YouTube streams / plays too your listening to the song on there after all I hope it never happens as you could be watching it just for the video and not the actual song. This post has been edited by zenon: 12th June 2016, 12:26 AM |
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12th June 2016, 05:14 AM
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QUOTE(Colm @ Jun 11 2016, 07:14 PM) It's not that streaming is not being measured properly - it's that for decades listening habits were not being recorded properly. They could only record sales and not what was actually being listened to. Now the charts reflect more what is being listened to rather than what is selling. But it's still far from perfect - 95% of the music I listen to is still offline, via my iPod - why should that not count towards the charts, while streamed ones do? Plus, there's always the impossibility of measuring the popularity of illegally obtained music... |
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12th June 2016, 06:48 AM
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but who said the chart has to reflect what people listen to?
thats not the goal, streaming has been incorporated cos it generates money too, thats why, nos cos the occ wants the chart to show what you listen to, especially what you illegally listen to 
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12th June 2016, 08:17 AM
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The problem is primary and secondary school children (I am a teacher) they do not care about the chart at all. A huge percentage have no idea what is number 1 for example when I asked them.
I used to love every Sunday listening to the top 40 countdown with my family . Surely the OCC want people to care about it ? I'm 31 and I am not bothered about the charts at all because I'm old school I do not stream , I purchase . I would prefer 1000 streams = 1 sale. |
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12th June 2016, 08:29 AM
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QUOTE(vibe @ Jun 12 2016, 09:17 AM) The problem is primary and secondary school children (I am a teacher) they do not care about the chart at all. A huge percentage have no idea what is number 1 for example when I asked them. I used to love every Sunday listening to the top 40 countdown with my family . Surely the OCC want people to care about it ? I'm 31 and I am not bothered about the charts at all because I'm old school I do not stream , I purchase . I would prefer 1000 streams = 1 sale. ...which would make no sense because the revenue generated from one sale is roughly equal to the revenue generated from 100 streams (which is the reason for the current ratio) The majority of people don't care for what's in the chart, that's been the case long before streams came to the chart. Does it really matter that schoolchildren don't listen to/care for the chart like they may have done 20/30 years ago anyway? They're still consuming music in other ways. |
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12th June 2016, 08:32 AM
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BuzzJack Gold Member
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QUOTE(zenon @ Jun 12 2016, 01:25 AM) I hope it never happens as you could be watching it just for the video and not the actual song. Yes true but the song is still playing so it should count |
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12th June 2016, 08:38 AM
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if YouTube counted though the charts would be even slower, is that what you really want?
 I'm personally against YouTube counting anyway as many people just watch for the video and not the song and it's impossible to tell who's watching for what reason. I don't think OCC have any plans to count YT plays into the chart anytime soon anyway. |
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12th June 2016, 09:15 AM
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Tbh no i don't really want any streaming but if you add some you should add all and whether I watchingfor just the video or for jjustthe song the song is still streaming and its already added to the billboard chart it likely to happen eventually
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12th June 2016, 09:25 AM
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The ratio should stay the same. Since streaming is only growing, let the "sales" reflect that rather than changing the ratio.
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12th June 2016, 01:38 PM
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Although I think streaming is ruining the chart and the ratio doesn't allow for much excitement these days, I would be somewhat annoyed if they changed the ratio. Now that they've been compiling charts based on the ratio 1:100, I think they're going to have to keep it that way. Imagine if they changed it to 1:1000 - I'd personally feel like they'd have to recalculate all the old charts and total 'sales' for songs that charted under 1:100 and that's just a messy situation. Basically, I don't like the fact it's 1:100, but for the sake of consistency I believe it should stay that way.
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12th June 2016, 01:41 PM
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BuzzJack Platinum Member
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The streaming ratio shouldn't be reduced if streams are increasing.
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