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Posted by: TomboOnBroadway 27th April 2018, 04:10 AM
As the incredible Infinity War has now been released, I thought it time to look forward to the next Avengers film in the franchise. I can't wait to see what happens next
Infinity War was incredible, I am hyped to see what direction they go in. Also it will be interesting to see if Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D is going to directly deal with the events of Infinity War or if it will be unrelated
For information about Avengers 4, check out this link: https://screenrant.com/avengers-4-movie-trailer-story-release-date-news/
Posted by: danVember 18th November 2018, 09:06 PM
trailer and title release date is apparently https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/1046971/Avengers-4-trailer-release-date-Thanksgiving-Football-Black-Friday-when-is-A4-comic-Prelud very soon.
apparently we're in for a https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/avengers-4-latest-length-runtime-infinity-war-sequel-release-date-iron-man-a8625721.html film too! I'd be happy with that.
Posted by: SweetButJonjo👻 5th December 2018, 06:34 AM
Trailer was supposed to premiere today (5/12) but they've postponed it due to George H W Bush's funeral.
Posted by: lewistgreen 7th December 2018, 01:44 PM
Posted by: LewisGT 7th December 2018, 03:51 PM
I can't even explain how excited I am for this film.
The trailer dropped about 10 minutes before my seminar started so I had to sneak it in before we started.
Really dislike the title though.
Posted by: Rooney 7th December 2018, 07:08 PM
What a shit title
Posted by: SweetButJonjo👻 7th December 2018, 10:25 PM
YYYEEEESSSS
I really can't see what's so shit about the title personally
Posted by: DexTheHalls 8th December 2018, 01:54 AM
Taylor to be played over the end credits
Posted by: PaulM1983 8th December 2018, 11:49 AM
The title is perfect. It's what I've been saying since the last movie.
Posted by: danG 4th February 2019, 11:55 AM
Still doesn't reveal much.
Posted by: Tombo 17th February 2019, 05:45 PM
I am so excited for this, this is such a big year for movies. There is so much coming that looks decent.
Posted by: natelivliv 2nd March 2019, 01:53 PM
My observations:
1) Is there any doubt that Tony is going to be rescued by Captain Marvel?
2) End of the trailer said April, but the release date is scheduled for May. I guess they're moving it up again, like they did with Infinity War
3) So Thor didn't have a lot to do.
4) That Thanos scarecrow was...uh...?
5) Ah Scotty, bringing the laughs. Apparently he somehow gets himself out of his cliffhanger situation from the end of Ant-Man and the Wasp
6) Tony seemingly suffocating alone in space is a solid echo of the end of the first Avengers and the PTSD he’s had ever since
Posted by: PaulM1983 3rd March 2019, 02:29 PM
My guess after watching the 2nd trailer is that (after Tony records his message and thinks he's going to die) him and Nebula find a way to fix the ship, restore power and get back to earth.
I think that's what the remaining Avengers are looking up to sky to see when they're standing outside the compound in the trailer.
As for who's going to bite the big one, I can't see past Cap sacrificing himself - either in a way to bring all the decimated people back or in a last ditch attempt to deliver the final blow to Thanos.
I know this is just speculation on my part but I'll spoiler it anyway just so as not to upset anyone - We already know Captain Marvel is the most powerful hero in the MCU, so I suspect they'll come up with a way for Thanos to somehow weaken her a little (perhaps using the power stone to absorb her power?). Otherwise, there would be no suspense - as it stands, she could literally demolish him.
I also think that Scott has stumbled upon a way to move between time periods while he was in the Quantum Realm, and they'll use that to revisit the past events of the other movies, that would give them different opportunities to change something or do something to the stones. They could even make a Gauntlet of their own maybe. Thor or Captain Marvel could certainly be powerful enough to wield it.
Also (and finally) There has to be something involving Dr Strange and the time stone. He wouldn't willingly give it up unless there was a way back. Could he have created a spell that means that everything that happened didn't even occur in the real timeline and Thanos isn't aware of it?
Even if that none of that actually comes to be, I honestly don't think I've ever been this excited for a movie. This is it. This is the movie event of my lifetime. I feel so invested in this universe and these characters - I'm going to be an emotional wreck.
Posted by: 365 14th March 2019, 02:21 PM
Posted by: Klaus 14th March 2019, 06:23 PM
Karen
I hope after the films released we get an updated poster with everyone on as the Infinity War one is amazing but we need Captain Marvel, Ant Man, the Wasp and poor useless Hawkeye recognised!!
Posted by: 365 14th March 2019, 10:51 PM
They’ve updated the poster and added Danai now <3
Posted by: Jonjo 2nd April 2019, 07:30 PM
Good luck in trying to book tickets 😂😂😂
Who got tickets?!
Posted by: LewisGT 2nd April 2019, 08:41 PM
I've had a nightmare with tickets for this.
I booked them at 3pm today and PayPal took the money out but I'm still yet to receive a confirmation email.
Posted by: 365 2nd April 2019, 09:38 PM
QUOTE(LewisGT @ Apr 2 2019, 09:41 PM)
I've had a nightmare with tickets for this.
I booked them at 3pm today and PayPal took the money out but I'm still yet to receive a confirmation email.
Cineworld? Log into your account your ticket should be there. Apparently there were queues on Odean, Cineworld and Vue websites all crashing. I’ve never seen anything like it for a film?! It’s like it was a concert.
Beating Star Wars’ 24 hour record in 6 hours...?! It’s going to be massive.
Posted by: LewisGT 2nd April 2019, 09:47 PM
QUOTE(365 @ Apr 2 2019, 10:38 PM)
Cineworld? Log into your account your ticket should be there. Apparently there were queues on Odean, Cineworld and Vue websites all crashing. I’ve never seen anything like it for a film?! It’s like it was a concert.
It was Vue. I've emailed them but it says it can take up to 36 hours to respond
Posted by: Nightcrawler 4th April 2019, 10:02 PM
Got mine for 8pm on 25th April. Bring. It. On.
Posted by: 365 13th April 2019, 09:35 PM
I can’t stop thinking about Endgame and how excited I am for it.
Posted by: Jonjo 14th April 2019, 12:03 AM
Broken presale records in China already.
Sold ONE MILLION tickets (NOT $1M - ACTUAL TICKETS) in SIX HOURS.
Astonishing.
Posted by: PaulM1983 15th April 2019, 09:18 AM
Yeah the numbers are astonishing.
In one hour, it beat Infinity War's first full day of presales.
In three hours, it beat Infinity War's first full week.
With every day that passes, the possibility of a $1bn global opening weekend is getting closer and closer. $850m at least seems almost certain at this point.
Posted by: Jonjo 19th April 2019, 06:43 PM
This time next week, this era of Avengers is gonna be over for most of us. I can't cope!
Posted by: 365 24th April 2019, 12:12 PM
I saw it and it's amazing.
Nebula is now my fav!
Posted by: Jαsє 24th April 2019, 03:17 PM
Current RT rating: 97%
Posted by: PaulM1983 24th April 2019, 04:01 PM
Biggest opening day ever in China with $107m. 62% more than Infinity War. Incredible.
Posted by: Klaus 24th April 2019, 05:47 PM
Seeing Saturday, I am unbelievably hyped but sad it’s coming to an endgame!
Posted by: LewisGT 25th April 2019, 02:19 AM
It’s crazy, thrilling, shocking and somehow despite the incredibly high expectations still better than I could have ever imagined.
What a film!
Posted by: T’Seet 25th April 2019, 02:44 PM
Just seen it, it’s great and very satisfying.
Only gripe being The fact that ant man’s kid aged about 15 years in 5. Also I’ll miss the old actor, she was great.
Posted by: Dexton 25th April 2019, 03:19 PM
QUOTE(T’Seet @ Apr 25 2019, 10:44 PM)
Just seen it, it’s great and very satisfying.
Only gripe being The fact that ant man’s kid aged about 15 years in 5. Also I’ll miss the old actor, she was great.
She was 10 in Ant Man & The Wasp so her being 15/16 in Endgame make sense
Posted by: T’Seet 25th April 2019, 03:42 PM
QUOTE(Dexton @ Apr 25 2019, 04:19 PM)
She was 10 in Ant Man & The Wasp so her being 15/16 in Endgame make sense
Yeah, I know that’s the age she was supposed to be but the actress looks about 23.
Posted by: Jonjo 25th April 2019, 07:32 PM
After mulling over it and getting used to the change of pace after Infinity War, this is absolutely fantastic and a BRILLIANT last hoorah for the original 6!
Everything was perfect in it's tone, emotion and action. SO many moments which I shall post very shortly. But yeah. Such a fantastically heartbreaking and still beautiful ending of an era.
I genuinely don't understand how The Russo Brothers managed to do it!
Posted by: Vülker 25th April 2019, 10:06 PM
THIS WAS PERFECT. I'm still reeling!
Posted by: danG 25th April 2019, 10:12 PM
Loved it!!
Posted by: UltraReputation 26th April 2019, 12:09 PM
Also loved it
I cried at black widow.
Posted by: danG 26th April 2019, 12:36 PM
It was a very touching scene, but I’ve never particularly cared about either Hawkeye or Black Widow so either of them dying wouldn’t have been that big of a loss. As for Iron Man, he couldn’t have possibly had a better send off and I’m glad he went the way he did (it was fairly obvious he was going to die in this movie but still). Also loved the shock twist of Thanos getting killed off in the first act (before Thanos of the past inevitably came back).
Posted by: Popchartfreak 26th April 2019, 11:56 PM
9/10 for me. The previous was a perfect film, this one was a little more schizophrenic and long - the first half character, the second half plot. So many fave characters for me, Karen Gillan is a stand-out in the regrouped Avengers, and Black Widow. In the second part, I just love Scarlet Witch, Spiderman and Quill.
Plotwise I have a couple of questions OK, the past can't be changed, and nothing you do in the past, or anyone leaving the past for the present, changes the original past. Quite a concept as you can exist in multiple times including the past when you've gone to the future. That's how it was explained that Back To The Future can't happen - no changing the past and changing the future.
So...what happened to the spare Karen Gillen and her sis Zoe Saldana when all the baddies were turned to dust? They weren't seen again. So either Hulk dusted them too, or they are now in the present but with no memory of the rest of the gang.
Some very sad goodbyes to big names, but there's a big eh, what at Spiderman returning to school and finding his schoolmate still there not aged a day. Presumably half his class will have graduated and be 5 years older and half won't so the ones that havent aged must have been dusted originally...
Think we may need scorecards to keep track in the forthcoming films for any "everything returns to normal" when it plainly can't: homes will have been sold on, belongings got rid, jobs lost, economies ruined and suddenly you have twice the population to feed after adjusting for half!
Best film of the year though, of course.
Posted by: Slick 27th April 2019, 12:30 PM
I saw this on Thursday and I'm seeing it again today. The first half was a lot slower than I anticipated, whereas Infinity War was just action from start to finish. I wasn't prepared for the massive change of pace. However the second half more than made up for it and the last 30/45 minutes was genuinely the most exciting and thrilling piece of cinema! There are so many 'omg' moments crammed into such a short space.
Posted by: blacksquare 27th April 2019, 01:48 PM
QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ Apr 27 2019, 12:56 AM)
9/10 for me. The previous was a perfect film, this one was a little more schizophrenic and long - the first half character, the second half plot. So many fave characters for me, Karen Gillan is a stand-out in the regrouped Avengers, and Black Widow. In the second part, I just love Scarlet Witch, Spiderman and Quill.
Plotwise I have a couple of questions OK, the past can't be changed, and nothing you do in the past, or anyone leaving the past for the present, changes the original past. Quite a concept as you can exist in multiple times including the past when you've gone to the future. That's how it was explained that Back To The Future can't happen - no changing the past and changing the future.
So...what happened to the spare Karen Gillen and her sis Zoe Saldana when all the baddies were turned to dust? They weren't seen again. So either Hulk dusted them too, or they are now in the present but with no memory of the rest of the gang.
Some very sad goodbyes to big names, but there's a big eh, what at Spiderman returning to school and finding his schoolmate still there not aged a day. Presumably half his class will have graduated and be 5 years older and half won't so the ones that havent aged must have been dusted originally...
Think we may need scorecards to keep track in the forthcoming films for any "everything returns to normal" when it plainly can't: homes will have been sold on, belongings got rid, jobs lost, economies ruined and suddenly you have twice the population to feed after adjusting for half!
Best film of the year though, of course.
I presumed Gamora turned to dust as she travelled to the future with Thanos and couldn't be located at the end. Who knows though, the possibilities are endless with the multiple timelines — they could essentially bring anyone from the past to the present, although that would remove them from their timeline, right?
I am guessing Spider-Man is either a prequel to Infinity War (although the lack of Tony in the trailers suggests otherwise) or they'll explain it. I just hope they don't pretend things went back to normal after everyone returned.
Posted by: danG 27th April 2019, 01:56 PM
Apparently Far From Home will be set after Endgame [https://screenrant.com/spider-man-far-home-before-after-avengers-endgame/]. That would make the most sense anyhow. All the key teenage characters would have conveniently been snapped and thus not have aged in the past 5 years probably, we already know Ned hasn't aged.
Posted by: blacksquare 27th April 2019, 02:01 PM
I really enjoyed the film and the payoff for those invested was great. It wasn't perfect. The Thor storyline was a choice, and I wish Hulk had more character development on screen rather than off.
I'm sure people weren't expecting such a sombre and slow first act, although I enjoy those slower character moments. The final act was obviously fantastic — that fight scene. The women all supporting Spider-Man. Yas. Well, except Black Widow.
I have some issues with her death. I understand she was sacrificing herself but having it so early in the film, not making it to the final fight, and then moving on quickly without much fanfare was a shame. Really intrigued to see what direction they go with her film and if people will even care about the prequel for a dead character.
Posted by: Popchartfreak 27th April 2019, 04:10 PM
QUOTE(blacksquare @ Apr 27 2019, 02:48 PM)
I presumed Gamora turned to dust as she travelled to the future with Thanos and couldn't be located at the end. Who knows though, the possibilities are endless with the multiple timelines — they could essentially bring anyone from the past to the present, although that would remove them from their timeline, right?
I am guessing Spider-Man is either a prequel to Infinity War (although the lack of Tony in the trailers suggests otherwise) or they'll explain it. I just hope they don't pretend things went back to normal after everyone returned.
Well that would be my assumption - but they went to the trouble of showing the baddies turning to dust and it would have been dramatically MUCH bigger to show Gamora and Sis v1 turning to dust but not Sis v2. It could be Gamora just slipped away as she had nothing in common with the Guardians who she didn't know...? Hulk Bruce would presumably know both weren't baddies when he snapped his fingers?
In terms of bringing characters back from the past they have verily opened Pandoras Box already. Thanos dies before he can kill Gamora and snap half the universe away, Cap spends his entire life with Agent Carter and doesn't join The Avengers, and we know Antman can time travel at will now and there are means for anyone from the past to journey to the present. So, yes, anyone can now comeback from the dead, and nothing anyone does in the past when time travelling makes any changes to the present, even killing Thanos.
Posted by: PaulM1983 27th April 2019, 04:13 PM
Box office numbers are in and the records have been smashed. After Friday, it already has the biggest worldwide opening ever and has already grossed $644m. Over $300m of that comes just from China.
It has recorded the highest single day box office in practically every territory now.
It took $156m domestically on Friday, so that optimistic hope of a $300m opening weekend has been blown out of the water. It could realistically achieve $350m now.
The $1bn worldwide opening is very, very possible.
Oh, and just as an added bonus, Captain Marvel has rebounded and is at number 2, up 96% from last Friday. Queen.
Posted by: Klaus 27th April 2019, 11:01 PM
Loved it but this is why you don’t do time travel
Posted by: Cody... WOO! 28th April 2019, 09:40 AM
Suddenly all those visions in Age Of Ultron are making sense now...
HOLY CRAP WHAT A FINISHER. Nebula by far has had the best character development in the MCU and her compassion towards Gamora and her past self + the small tidbits with Tony in the beginning only amplify that. YAS @ her finally joining the Guardians! Part of me expected Cap and Tony to die but the latter’s sacrifice was a brilliant sendoff for him and his character. When Strange looked at him and raised one finger I just KNEW it was coming. Also the clanking sounds at the end from the first Iron Man movie? I got CHILLS.
Part of me did think that the scene with all the women pummeling Thanos was a little bit pandering but it paid off to see Valkyrie/Wanda/Carol interact and I still got my life over it. Also why add in a random Harley Keener cameo when he hasn’t been relevant since Iron Man 3? Overall, I was super impressed despite the obvious flaws and I’m excited to see what Marvel has in store for Phase 4!
The Clintasha moment with the Soul Stone had me in tears. It also makes me wonder if Hawkeye will be making a cameo for the Black Widow origin story? I’m also kinda wondering if they’ll explain the time jump further in future Marvel projects. I’m hoping for something in Agents of Shield since they reference the cinematic universe anyway or it will be explained in the vast number of sequels.
QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ Apr 27 2019, 09:10 AM)
Well that would be my assumption - but they went to the trouble of showing the baddies turning to dust and it would have been dramatically MUCH bigger to show Gamora and Sis v1 turning to dust but not Sis v2. It could be Gamora just slipped away as she had nothing in common with the Guardians who she didn't know...? Hulk Bruce would presumably know both weren't baddies when he snapped his fingers?
In terms of bringing characters back from the past they have verily opened Pandoras Box already. Thanos dies before he can kill Gamora and snap half the universe away, Cap spends his entire life with Agent Carter and doesn't join The Avengers, and we know Antman can time travel at will now and there are means for anyone from the past to journey to the present. So, yes, anyone can now comeback from the dead, and nothing anyone does in the past when time travelling makes any changes to the present, even killing Thanos.
Well now would be a great idea to introduce the presence of the multiverse for Doctor Strange 2/Guardians 3! Also with Cap, he may have stuck around in the past and aged as he normally would have, but he still has his memories of Sam. That wouldn’t have happened if he never joined the Avengers, no?
Posted by: Popchartfreak 28th April 2019, 11:17 AM
QUOTE(Cody... WOO! @ Apr 28 2019, 10:40 AM)
Suddenly all those visions in Age Of Ultron are making sense now...
HOLY CRAP WHAT A FINISHER. Nebula by far has had the best character development in the MCU and her compassion towards Gamora and her past self + the small tidbits with Tony in the beginning only amplify that. YAS @ her finally joining the Guardians! Part of me expected Cap and Tony to die but the latter’s sacrifice was a brilliant sendoff for him and his character. When Strange looked at him and raised one finger I just KNEW it was coming. Also the clanking sounds at the end from the first Iron Man movie? I got CHILLS.
Part of me did think that the scene with all the women pummeling Thanos was a little bit pandering but it paid off to see Valkyrie/Wanda/Carol interact and I still got my life over it. Also why add in a random Harley Keener cameo when he hasn’t been relevant since Iron Man 3? Overall, I was super impressed despite the obvious flaws and I’m excited to see what Marvel has in store for Phase 4!
The Clintasha moment with the Soul Stone had me in tears. It also makes me wonder if Hawkeye will be making a cameo for the Black Widow origin story? I’m also kinda wondering if they’ll explain the time jump further in future Marvel projects. I’m hoping for something in Agents of Shield since they reference the cinematic universe anyway or it will be explained in the vast number of sequels. Well now would be a great idea to introduce the presence of the multiverse for Doctor Strange 2/Guardians 3! Also with Cap, he may have stuck around in the past and aged as he normally would have, but he still has his memories of Sam. That wouldn’t have happened if he never joined the Avengers, no? "
Yes youre right he can exist twice for the same period of time. Complex plots ahead!
Posted by: Klaus 28th April 2019, 11:49 AM
It was a brilliant way of celebrating the last 10 years, and bringing that era to a close. And then the battle sequences were incredible.
However, their version of time travel just stinks of convenient plot telling and it raises so many questions that will largely be unanswered.
First of all I didn't understand why Nebula 2 didn't die after she killed the older version, then you have the mess that Thanos dies before he's even gathered the Infinity Stones so what's the point of even putting them back in the first place. However, I since understand that they now create alternative timelines, one where Thanos has died etc but the main storyline stays the same? One of the messiest logics I've seen. When does that alternative timeline start - from when Thanos & Nebula jump ahead in time? If so, surely that means The Avengers have created multiple timelines from going back in time? When they both die? But then what happens with Gamora, for all we know old her is still around in 2018 but that means she isn't there to join the Guardians and ultimately be sacrificed to get the Soul Stone. But if the present timeline doesn't change, her existence in 2018 surely has created an alternative timeline?? Maybe that's whats being explored in Guardians 3? Then Captain going back to live with Peggy creates an alternative timeline so why is he still part of the main timeline? What's the point in putting the Infinity Stones back if the present doesn't change anyway, and they've created all these multiple timelines anyway?!? Then, you have Loki's new timeline where he's escaped with the Tessaract. Again, maybe that's what his TV series will be about??
OH and the MESS of everyone returning 5 years later making EVERYTHING out of sync. Particularly with Spiderman, as noted here already. He's returning to school whilst some of his friends will be working/at uni. It also will such a psychological affect on people e.g. parents missing out on children growing up. All because Tony Stark had a daughter!
It's such a mess from how I understand it and something like Time Travel can't be counteracted by a couple of throwaway lines in a universe that has 20+ films and is ongoing.
I think Black Widow's death was also a bit messy. Surely Nebula explained that to get the Soul Stone someone had to die? And then for her to be mourned for a total of 10 seconds despite her being one of the hearts of the whole Avengers AND to be the only one not involved in the big finale fight. That then leads on to seemingly quite forced feminism scene... Captain Marvel felt underutilised, although I understand it was filmed before they did her film.
So happy to see Nebula finally getting more screen time it was brilliant to see the change from her old self to her new one, meaning she was both the villain and the hero to the Avengers. WOW.
AND ALSO a RAT saves the entire universe! How could Doctor Strange guarantee the timeline that would follow would be the one where a RAT CRAWLS ACROSS SOME TECHNOLOGY, CRAWLING ON THE RIGHT BUTTONS
I really did enjoy it, and it's certainly no mean feat to not only resolve that cliffhanger but also tie up 20+ films and bring together a close of an era so massive congratulations to the Russo brothers on that. This is where I loved all the time travel scenes as we called back to the first film (especially getting a glimpse into the cleaning up! ), the elevator scene and other little cameos and nods. Over the two Infinity films, it's felt as though each of the individual franchises have played a big part (e.g. Wakanda battle scene in IW, Ant-Man's technology playing a massive part in this film, Doctor Stranges time portal things, Guardians exploring space). I just think they messed up with the logic of time travel which raises so many questions
QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ Apr 27 2019, 05:10 PM)
Cap spends his entire life with Agent Carter and doesn't join The Avengers
He does join the Avengers because he already has?! It's the same Captain: timeline has gone from 2011-2018 and then went back in time to spend it with Peggy
Posted by: alby 28th April 2019, 12:59 PM
just seen this and i have a LOT of feelings
i agree with what other people here have said about black widow. she deserved a much better exit than that. i was also disappointed in that it seemed that the criticism of how the filmmakers dealt with gamora's death in infinity war (aka that her death only really served as character development for the male leads) applied equally to black widow's death in this
but i was so so happy to see nebula finally getting the screen time she deserves! i absolutely loved her in this and thought that her character arc was really well done so i'm thrilled to see her looking like she's going to be a proper member of GOTG from now on
overall i'd say that i really enjoyed this despite my couple of minor issues with it. i personally don't really care about them changing the timeline so much with time travel (i mean, comics are always changing continuity tbh), for me it's the emotional beats that are more important in the MCU and this took me through the whole spectrum of emotions and it felt really satisfying in a cathartic sort of way
Posted by: sergejdordij98 28th April 2019, 02:40 PM
Just saw it yesterday and WOW! What a movie! It's probably tied with the first Avengers movie as my favourite in the MCU.
Posted by: 365 28th April 2019, 03:09 PM
Froot:
I’ve seen a couple of people with ‘the why didn’t Nebula tell them about the soul stone’. She didn’t know. Nobody did. Gamora only knew when she got there that the sacrifice was needed and all Nebula knew was that Thanos killed Gamora while he was there. I assume she presumed he did it because Gamora tried to stop him. Natasha put two and two together when she said ‘Nebula told us he came back without his daughter’, after hearing Red Skull.
Posted by: Jonjo 28th April 2019, 04:25 PM
1.2bn WW!!!!
Posted by: Cody... WOO! 28th April 2019, 05:31 PM
For everyone who is confused on the logic of multiple timelines, Agents of SHIELD references the MCU a handful amount of times, and the guy who plays Deke (Fitzsimmons’ grandson) was promoted to series regular, thus implying that Deke still exists in the present timeline while they try to look for the Fitz in cryogenic sleep despite Daisy not destroying the world with her sonic blasts. Live-action Marvel is no stranger to time travel at this point.
Posted by: Popchartfreak 28th April 2019, 05:43 PM
QUOTE(Cody... WOO! @ Apr 28 2019, 06:31 PM)
For everyone who is confused on the logic of multiple timelines, Agents of SHIELD references the MCU a handful amount of times, and the guy who plays Deke (Fitzsimmons’ grandson) was promoted to series regular, thus implying that Deke still exists in the present timeline while they try to look for the Fitz in cryogenic sleep despite Daisy not destroying the world with her sonic blasts. Live-action Marvel is no stranger to time travel at this point.
yes that fits in with the new "anything goes" timeline rules - because Deke can only be born if events exactly match the original events - which they can't possibly, cos we are all just a specific sperm at a specific egg at a specific moment in time. Wait a day and suddenly it's not you it's your brother or sister who gets born as you disappear in a puff of waste product. Ewww! True though. Even if Simmons is already preggers events will still completely change and different people will live die and be born
Posted by: Klaus 28th April 2019, 05:48 PM
I watch the show and tbh I forgot aboht that but that’s essentially further proving how illogical it all is as that is essentially appllying the OPPOSITE logic (they’ve gone forward in time and then go back, stop the thing happening, which is what they couldn’t do in the film. So essentially Agents of SHIELD is now not on the main timeline, but on a divergent one)
Posted by: kye 28th April 2019, 07:42 PM
i saw this on friday + i am still reeling from the fact they killed off black widow before the last act.
not only was she the og female avenger but she was the SECOND woman thrown off a cliff by the russo brothers to act as a sacrifice + an expendable female character. the kick-ass girl power scene in the final fight had a glaring omission + that was natasha, they did her the absolute worst. she deserved to be fighting to the end.
the fact that iron man got the funeral, the tears, the moments and black widow got a few solemn looks at the ground was something that completely ruined the movie for me. even though i enjoyed the rest of it, all i could think of was her sacrifice.
i even stuck around in the hope that they’d thrown a red herring + that there’d be a post-credits scene of her drawing a breath when captain america had returned the stone. but nada.. i’m pissed.
Posted by: Klaus 28th April 2019, 09:11 PM
It’s like they realised they did her dirty and so felt forced to cave in and finally make the Black Widow film
Posted by: blacksquare 28th April 2019, 10:22 PM
QUOTE(kye @ Apr 28 2019, 08:42 PM)
i saw this on friday + i am still reeling from the fact they killed off black widow before the last act.
not only was she the og female avenger but she was the SECOND woman thrown off a cliff by the russo brothers to act as a sacrifice + an expendable female character. the kick-ass girl power scene in the final fight had a glaring omission + that was natasha, they did her the absolute worst. she deserved to be fighting to the end.
the fact that iron man got the funeral, the tears, the moments and black widow got a few solemn looks at the ground was something that completely ruined the movie for me. even though i enjoyed the rest of it, all i could think of was her sacrifice.
i even stuck around in the hope that they’d thrown a red herring + that there’d be a post-credits scene of her drawing a breath when captain america had returned the stone. but nada.. i’m pissed.
The more I think about this, the more it bothers me. You're completely right. Hawkeye is especially expendable, and him sacrificing himself for his family would have completed his arc in an emotional way that might have resonated with the 3 people that care about the character.
Natasha should have been able to actually succeed and carry on with her role as the head of the Avengers. Not this.
Posted by: blacksquare 28th April 2019, 10:27 PM
QUOTE(Klaus @ Apr 28 2019, 10:11 PM)
It’s like they realised they did her dirty and so felt forced to cave in and finally make the Black Widow film
Is anyone going to care about a prequel when we all know what happens to her? It's an odd choice. I really hope it isn't about her and Hawkeye...
Posted by: Popchartfreak 29th April 2019, 03:56 PM
QUOTE(blacksquare @ Apr 28 2019, 11:27 PM)
Is anyone going to care about a prequel when we all know what happens to her? It's an odd choice. I really hope it isn't about her and Hawkeye...
It will be I bet - they mention it in the film.....
Posted by: danG 29th April 2019, 04:36 PM
Looking back it does seem rather odd that they killed off Black Widow instead of Hawkeye if she's supposedly getting a solo film. Would've been more emotional having Hawkeye lose his family in-front of his eyes and then his family returning 5 years later to find he's dead too. I'm not really a fan of either character though.
Posted by: Rooney 29th April 2019, 09:45 PM
I'm not spoilering anything and neither should anybody else - anyone that browses in to this thread that has not seen the film is stupid. I avoided it until I just have done and reading 2 pages worth of spoiler tags is not fun let me tell you that!
Great film - I also don't really get the time travel logic. But I'm not even sure the writers do. I feel that them taking the piss out of it with Back to Future references etc. was a way of teling us to dispend our logic and just go with it. That's what I am doing, otherwise I could be here for hours going through the 'what-ifs' etc.
I didn't really get the point of the Black Widow character in general, but I feel her death was used as a shock value. I expected Hawkeye to sacrafice himself, as I am sure most of the audience will have done. So for Black Widow to do it, I feel that was a shock value twist.
Iron Man likewise.. I'll be honest I thought it was Capt that was gonna go and not Tony. In hindsight it's spelt out there all along that he would die and presumably his daughter will be come Iron Woman eventually if we're still around in Phase 7.. still it was an emotional exit for a character that kickstarted the franchise.
Posted by: 365 30th April 2019, 10:53 AM
Yeah I agree. We don’t need spoiler tags anymore. It’d be silly to join the thread at this point without seeing it.
Posted by: Klaus 30th April 2019, 11:53 AM
QUOTE(Rooney @ Apr 29 2019, 10:45 PM)
Great film - I also don't really get the time travel logic. But I'm not even sure the writers do. I feel that them taking the piss out of it with Back to Future references etc. was a way of teling us to dispend our logic and just go with it. That's what I am doing, otherwise I could be here for hours going through the 'what-ifs' etc..
That’s what anmoys me though, don’t use it as the crux of such a big film if it’s used without much thought and as a convient plot resolver in the same way as ‘a wizard did it’
Posted by: Cody... WOO! 1st May 2019, 02:07 AM
I just realized that the scene where all the female heroes come to back up Captain Marvel was a nod to the A-Force comics
Posted by: PaulM1983 1st May 2019, 07:17 AM
QUOTE(PaulM1983 @ Mar 3 2019, 03:29 PM)
My guess after watching the 2nd trailer is that (after Tony records his message and thinks he's going to die) him and Nebula find a way to fix the ship, restore power and get back to earth.
I think that's what the remaining Avengers are looking up to sky to see when they're standing outside the compound in the trailer.
As for who's going to bite the big one, I can't see past Cap sacrificing himself - either in a way to bring all the decimated people back or in a last ditch attempt to deliver the final blow to Thanos.
I know this is just speculation on my part but I'll spoiler it anyway just so as not to upset anyone - We already know Captain Marvel is the most powerful hero in the MCU, so I suspect they'll come up with a way for Thanos to somehow weaken her a little (perhaps using the power stone to absorb her power?). Otherwise, there would be no suspense - as it stands, she could literally demolish him.
I also think that Scott has stumbled upon a way to move between time periods while he was in the Quantum Realm, and they'll use that to revisit the past events of the other movies, that would give them different opportunities to change something or do something to the stones. They could even make a Gauntlet of their own maybe. Thor or Captain Marvel could certainly be powerful enough to wield it.
Also (and finally) There has to be something involving Dr Strange and the time stone. He wouldn't willingly give it up unless there was a way back. Could he have created a spell that means that everything that happened didn't even occur in the real timeline and Thanos isn't aware of it?
Even if that none of that actually comes to be, I honestly don't think I've ever been this excited for a movie. This is it. This is the movie event of my lifetime. I feel so invested in this universe and these characters - I'm going to be an emotional wreck.
They were my predictions with spoiler tags removed. Some were close, some not quite as much. I was nearly there with Thanos getting Carol weakened with the Power Stone though.
Nailed it with getting the past stones and making another gauntlet though.
I've now seen it 3 times. It's extraordinary. I won't ever tire of that last battle. From the moment we approach Thor, looking out at Thanos, to the final snap, it's stupidly exhilarating and devastating.
Posted by: Vülker 2nd May 2019, 11:08 PM
A week on and it's already the fifth highest grossing movie of all time. Insane. Forbes says it'll likely surpass Titanic by Sunday.
Posted by: Addy K!ng 3rd May 2019, 02:31 AM
I am sure it will surpass Avatar 2.8 billion record too!!!
Posted by: PaulM1983 3rd May 2019, 08:52 AM
Avatar's record will fall. That's all but certain now. It could potentially be at $2.3bn worldwide by the end of the weekend. And that's in less than 2 weeks. This thing is going to fly past $3bn.
Posted by: Slick 4th May 2019, 11:29 AM
QUOTE(Slick @ Apr 27 2019, 01:30 PM)
I saw this on Thursday and I'm seeing it again today. The first half was a lot slower than I anticipated, whereas Infinity War was just action from start to finish. I wasn't prepared for the massive change of pace. However the second half more than made up for it and the last 30/45 minutes was genuinely the most exciting and thrilling piece of cinema! There are so many 'omg' moments crammed into such a short space.
I can't stop thinking about the female Avengers teaming up and Scarlet Witch's 'You will' line before she starts deconstructing Thanos.
Posted by: Slick 4th May 2019, 11:30 AM
I want to see this film at the cinema for the third time, but only the last 45 minutes.
Posted by: Nightcrawler 4th May 2019, 08:42 PM
QUOTE(Slick @ May 4 2019, 12:30 PM)
I want to see this film at the cinema for the third time, but only the last 45 minutes.
I'm going for the third time on Monday
I totally agree with you about the change of pace compared with Infinity War, but I found the second viewing much more emotional than the first one (probably because I knew what was coming).
Really, I need Captain Marvel and Endgame out on DVD now so I can watch all 22 films back to back without leaving the house...
Posted by: Jonjo 4th May 2019, 09:37 PM
I found that my 3rd viewing was actually my favourite. I kinda purposely did a back to back of IW and Endgame though. The change of pace is needed imo. Might've been a bit overkill had it been IW pt 2.
Considering it’s not standalone in the slightest, it certainly will be an.. odd film (looking at this film exclusively) to have as the highest grossing ever, but it is perfect in another way with it being the culmination of a such a massive part of the film world of the last 10 years and doing something no other movie studio has attempted on such a grand scale.
And I’m sure it’ll be nice to have something that will actually be remembered 5 years later.
Posted by: Nightcrawler 6th May 2019, 04:47 PM
I’ve just got back from seeing it for the third time and I have a question that has bothered me each time:
When Tony is speaking to his dad in the lift, he seems confused about his mum being pregnant and questions his Dad about how far along she is. Can anyone explain to me what this is about? After all, it is Tony who chooses that particular date (7th April 1970) to go back to, so not really sure of the significance of it all...
If anyone has any thoughts, please let me know!
Posted by: PaulM1983 7th May 2019, 12:50 PM
QUOTE(Nightcrawler @ May 6 2019, 05:47 PM)
I’ve just got back from seeing it for the third time and I have a question that has bothered me each time:
When Tony is speaking to his dad in the lift, he seems confused about his mum being pregnant and questions his Dad about how far along she is. Can anyone explain to me what this is about? After all, it is Tony who chooses that particular date (7th April 1970) to go back to, so not really sure of the significance of it all...
If anyone has any thoughts, please let me know!
Right, I felt this too. The first time I watched it, I thought he was confused too, as if that couldn't possibly add up if he was the child in question, which led me to - does he have a sibling he never knew about?
But I think the general feeling from what I've read online is that he didn't pick that date with that in mind, only that he knew it was the right time to get both the stone and the particles, and that it was just the realisation that his father was talking about him that made him stop in his tracks.
Posted by: blacksquare 8th May 2019, 10:59 AM
QUOTE(blacksquare @ Apr 27 2019, 03:01 PM)
The women all supporting Spider-Man. Yas. Well, except Black Widow.
I have some issues with her death. I understand she was sacrificing herself but having it so early in the film, not making it to the final fight, and then moving on quickly without much fanfare was a shame
After seeing the film a second time, and having more time to sit with the plot... I absolutely hate what they did to Black Widow. She sacrificed herself because she doesn't have a family — unlike superior family man Hawkeye who just spent the past five years murdering people? But his love for his wife and children make it okay and he can be redeemed? Whereas her life has less value because she can't ever have children? The less said about THAT in Age of Ultron, the better. I HATE that they carried that plot-point forward.
They have mistreated her character for years, and this anticlimactic death is just the icing on the cake. Such a massive issue in an otherwise great film.
Posted by: Jonjo 19th June 2019, 04:15 PM
New footage is being reported. Main film is the same but after credit scenes will have a deleted scene, a tribute and a "few surprises".
Hopefully it's true. I wonder if the deleted scene will be Katherine Langford's scene?
Posted by: Popchartfreak 19th June 2019, 07:38 PM
yes they're within a whisker of becoming the biggest movie-money-maker (not accounting for inflation) of all-time, and feel it needs a boost to make sure it gets there. If it has an edit with new material I'll go again, but if it's just tacked on deleted scenes I won't bother they are usually yawnsome taken out of context.
Posted by: PaulM1983 20th June 2019, 01:30 PM
Sadly this isn't enough to boost it past Avatar. It's not being re-released or anything, it's still in theatres. There's no talk of it expanding the theatre count either. I think it'll just be a the Katherine Langford deleted scene (or maybe one that shows where Gamora went after the battle) and a Stan Lee tribute.
It's so close to Avatar, it's painful. After this weekend, it'll be less than $40m but it's already out of nearly all theatres internationally so there's just no more money to be made. It'll scrape another $10m out of the US but that's it.
Posted by: Neil 20th June 2019, 03:46 PM
For only 7 extra minutes? Not worth it.
Posted by: Addy K!ng 19th July 2019, 01:33 AM
It's only 5 million shy of breaking Avatar WW box office
Posted by: LewisGT 21st July 2019, 01:51 AM
Officially the biggest film of all-time.
What a day for Marvel with this news and all the announcements at Comic-con (Blade )
Posted by: Jonjo 21st July 2019, 12:23 PM
YYYAAAASSSS!!! I'm so happy! Finally something memorable and something that will be fondly remembered.
Posted by: Addy K!ng 21st July 2019, 01:52 PM
Well it depends how far it will go from Avatar because coming 2021 I am expecting Avatar will comeback to theatres again and might claim 1st spot again lol
Posted by: Jonjo 21st July 2019, 05:54 PM
QUOTE(Addy K!ng @ Jul 21 2019, 02:52 PM)
Well it depends how far it will go from Avatar because coming 2021 I am expecting Avatar will comeback to theatres again and might claim 1st spot again lol
I can only see double-bills happening which, iirc, Infinity War & Endgame double bills all counted towards Endgame's total and not for IW!
Unless Disney plan to re-release Avatar (AGAIN) but for the 10 year anniv later this year.
Posted by: Nightcrawler 21st July 2019, 09:37 PM
I can't see Avatar 2 toppling Endgame somehow. The first film was released a decade ago and I'm pretty sure it was only as big as it was due to the fact that it was one of the first films in 3D, which made a lot of people want to see it. I personally don't think I've seen Avatar more than twice and genuinely can't remember the plot at all...
Posted by: Addy K!ng 22nd July 2019, 06:58 PM
QUOTE(Nightcrawler @ Jul 21 2019, 11:37 PM)
I can't see Avatar 2 toppling Endgame somehow. The first film was released a decade ago and I'm pretty sure it was only as big as it was due to the fact that it was one of the first films in 3D, which made a lot of people want to see it. I personally don't think I've seen Avatar more than twice and genuinely can't remember the plot at all...
Avatar 2 won't top the Avengers but most likely the first Avatar will be re-released when time comes for Avatar 2 release, and it might be back to the top!!
Posted by: Logan987 23rd July 2019, 07:50 AM
This movie is so awesome and wonderful.
Posted by: 365 23rd July 2019, 09:53 AM
QUOTE(Addy K!ng @ Jul 22 2019, 07:58 PM)
Avatar 2 won't top the Avengers but most likely the first Avatar will be re-released when time comes for Avatar 2 release, and it might be back to the top!!
I doubt Disney will allow that. They're more likely to put Avatar on Disney+ to get some views and coin in the run up to the movie.
Avatar 2 won't come close to Avatar 1's gross. The buzz and gimmick has worn off and very few people care about the franchise. everyone can name characters from Star Wars and Avengers but not many can with Avatar. I can see it finishing top 30/20 of all time maybe?
Posted by: Tafty³³³ 7th December 2023, 01:54 PM
QUOTE(lewistgreen @ Dec 7 2018, 01:44 PM)
5 years ago today this trailer premiered. Incredible.
The world quite literally hasn't been the same since the movie came out!
Posted by: Chez Ptarmigan 7th December 2023, 06:34 PM
I know there was never a realistic chance it would be, but this really should've been the end of the MCU, it was such a fitting ending and their last truly great film. I don't even know where they're going with this new phase and I really can't be bothered to watch a million shows and do homework before even understanding what's going on, especially when the heroes themselves are really difficult to care about.
Posted by: IT IZ COLD 7th December 2023, 09:18 PM
Absolutely. I relatively recently did a hatewatch* of the MCU up to Endgame and while some of that felt like doing homework, it was a good payoff in the end. If they'd stopped all production of it for a few years (and with foresight, going into 2020, would have been a perfect time to), then a return would be actually welcomed right about now and would probably break more box-office records etc. Almost everything after that has been of absolutely zero interest to me and there's so many movies and TV shows it feels like every month I hear about a new one failing to meet expectations and getting poor reviews. It's got to be a losing proposition long run because they were never topping hype for Endgame the way they'd built up to it.
*is joke, most of them are average films with a few good ones here and there, I just hadn't seen all of them, wasn't so into many of the ones I had, and wanted to tick them off once and for all, GOTG especially was a nice watch I hadn't seen before.
Posted by: JackFrost's Nips 8th December 2023, 01:10 PM
QUOTE(Chez Ptarmigan @ Dec 7 2023, 06:34 PM)
I know there was never a realistic chance it would be, but this really should've been the end of the MCU, it was such a fitting ending and their last truly great film. I don't even know where they're going with this new phase and I really can't be bothered to watch a million shows and do homework before even understanding what's going on, especially when the heroes themselves are really difficult to care about.
This
All the MCU films are kinda hackneyed and range from eh, it's okay, to utterly abysmal. The OG 5 Spiderman films with Osny are just so much better.
Posted by: Rooney 8th December 2023, 09:36 PM
QUOTE(Chez Ptarmigan @ Dec 7 2023, 06:34 PM)
I know there was never a realistic chance it would be, but this really should've been the end of the MCU, it was such a fitting ending and their last truly great film. I don't even know where they're going with this new phase and I really can't be bothered to watch a million shows and do homework before even understanding what's going on, especially when the heroes themselves are really difficult to care about.
They took the wrong strategy with Disney+ and over saturated the quality. Lots of the MCU films are ok, but there are only a handful of truly great ones. It sounds like the writers/actors strike came at the right time and they've changed their strategy going forward.
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