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 12th May 2019, 05:26 PM
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Here we go...penultimate episode!
I'm ready for the carnage 
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13th May 2019, 04:03 AM
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OMGG best episode of the season. I was genuinely convinced she was a goner!
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13th May 2019, 08:53 AM
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There was so many character plot holes and illogical things that happened but I enjoyed the episode a lot for the mere spectacle of it all.
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13th May 2019, 09:49 AM
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Reading the spoilers helped because it made me prepare myself for the awful plot developments. I ended up enjoying it once I got over the plot aspect. It’s certainly was a visual feast!
Once again, Arya stole the show. My heart during her many near misses! I thought she was a goner and then that ending!! I do wonder whether Arya could do the deed and put Dany down (dressed as Jon?) |
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13th May 2019, 10:48 AM
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Argh! I really dislike the way this is all panning out. It’s all style over substance this season for me.
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13th May 2019, 10:53 AM
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This was just yet another awful episode after an awful season. Dany deciding to burn KL after they surrendered made absolutely NO sense at all, even if she had gone full mad queen mode. Why would she want to burn the city she wanted to rule? Why would she burn the people she wanted to rule over? Remember this is the girl who refused to invade Astapor because she didn't want to kill a single innocent.
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13th May 2019, 11:06 AM
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Yeah, basically all of that and more. So sad to see that a fantastic show and characters are ending in this manner, I mean Varys for example deserved so much better than that (although the character has definitely been underused for ages now and the show has been all the worse for it), not to mention Cersei who basically went out with a whimper and about 10 lines all season when she deserved a huge moment. This season has felt like I've been watching a highlights or recap section, lots of rushed things happening with no real pay off or logic to them to give you a semblance or reminder of a story rather than a fleshed out one. And there is literally no logic whatsoever to Dany torching the entirety of a fleet that she couldn't attack or even notice last week!
I hate being this negative about it too as I really wanted to love this season. 
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13th May 2019, 11:12 AM
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Infamy Infamy they all got it in for me
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Spectacular to watch, but he comes a bad review of the whole episode. It was more of a Dany episode destroying the whole city, I just knew when the bell went, and saw it in her eyes, she had only one mission to destroy everything in her path. The whole episode had nothing to it to be honest, it just Dany having a mad spree with a her dragon breathing fire on the whole city.
I didn't think Jamie and Cersei end would came about like that, that seem a bit senseless to me. Unless they are still alive somehow. And that big guard that wouldn't die after he was stabbed in the head was hilarious to watch. I just think Jon and Dany are going to have the final showdown with each other. I didn't see where Tyrion was at that end of the episode. |
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13th May 2019, 11:47 AM
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Dany chained up here babies for killing one child a few seasons ago. And now kills all the innocents? It just...wasn't developed properly? She was risking her life for Westeros two episodes saving Jon twice.
I know there was some foreshadowing, but daeneys punishing slave masters and burning down a temple filled with rapists are not signs of madness...everyone has been ruthless in this show... Cersei after so many iconic and cruel deaths having that ending is really underwhelming too. |
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13th May 2019, 11:48 AM
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Are spoiler tags really necessary? Is anyone really gonna be reading this thread before watching the episode? lmao
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13th May 2019, 11:50 AM
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Cersei...I just...wow. Disappointing doesn't cover it.
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13th May 2019, 11:53 AM
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Mansonette
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QUOTE(cantthinkofaname @ May 13 2019, 12:48 PM)  Are spoiler tags really necessary? Is anyone really gonna be reading this thread before watching the episode? lmao Probably not |
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13th May 2019, 12:00 PM
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Hmm. I'm bathing in the spectacle of it all, which was utterly fantastic, but I'm actually thinking, that after all those near misses, would it have not been a great finisher for Jon to turn against Dany (which is what this whole season has been leading to) with his own beloved sister and hero of the war against the dead, Arya, being killed inadvertently by Dany's rage? That's what I thought the final bit of the episode was leading up to, panning out over Arya dead and perhaps Jon finding her. Regardless, my heart was in my mouth for her throughout that episode.
Cleganebowl pretty much delivered, the outcome had to be each killing the other at each stage of the game and callbacks to the Mountain trying to kill Sandor like he did Oberyn were appreciated. Jamie vs Euron was a little less good, but that's more to do with how badly the show got Euron wrong than anything else. Varys going I didn't like, it felt a bit incidental at the start of the episode and was not the way he should have gone. In that yes, if he'd been caught trying to make Jon the king, Daenerys should execute him, but it all happened in the space of about 5 minutes. But Daenerys becoming the mad queen, I don't see how that makes it bad? Tactically, by coming out of the sun, she catches Euron's fleet by surprise instead of the other way around, making all the difference in the outcome. Then there's nothing to stop her and she can burn King's Landing freely. You can see when everyone throws down their swords that she's thinking of Missandei, Rhaegal and all that the people of this city have taken from her. How dare they get away with just throwing down their swords? And worst of all, the people of King's Landing, who, rather than stand up for their 'true queen', are hiding and implicitly supporting a usurper. She's been made to believe that all her life that once she returns, she'll be welcomed with open arms and the usurper paraded out. Especially now she's JUST saved Westeros (or at least has appeared to). This doesn't happen. Then, those who are against her, die. Which is the one good part of Varys dying at the beginning, it reemphasises that. Now, it being rushed, that I agree with. The last two seasons could have fit 3 full-length 10 episode seasons. But I think for the time we have, it's mostly done well. |
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13th May 2019, 12:01 PM
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Jaime and Cersei dying in each other's arms was I thought always the way that they were going to go? That's been telegraphed for ages. In the wreck of Dany's madness and it seeming a little incidental to the rest of the episode, sure, but as a narrative choice, definitely.
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13th May 2019, 12:26 PM
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QUOTE(Iz~ @ May 13 2019, 12:00 PM) You can see when everyone throws down their swords that she's thinking of Missandei, Rhaegal and all that the people of this city have taken from her. How dare they get away with just throwing down their swords? And worst of all, the people of King's Landing, who, rather than stand up for their 'true queen', are hiding and implicitly supporting a usurper. But they didn't take anything from her. Cersei did and she didn't even try to kill her at any point of the episode lol. She burned the tower partly I guess but she not once tried to actively go looking for Cersei to make sure she's dead. That's what didn't make sense, the only people she was killing were innocents and soldiers who had already surrendered and not the people who actually killed Missandei. |
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13th May 2019, 12:31 PM
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That's true rationally, but Dany is definitely not thinking rationally at this point. She said she'd burn them all, and burn them all she did.
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13th May 2019, 12:40 PM
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QUOTE(Iz~ @ May 13 2019, 12:31 PM) That's true rationally, but Dany is definitely not thinking rationally at this point. She said she'd burn them all, and burn them all she did. Well, other than Cersei sure
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13th May 2019, 12:53 PM
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QUOTE(cantthinkofaname @ May 13 2019, 11:53 AM) This was just yet another awful episode after an awful season. Dany deciding to burn KL after they surrendered made absolutely NO sense at all, even if she had gone full mad queen mode. Why would she want to burn the city she wanted to rule? Why would she burn the people she wanted to rule over? Remember this is the girl who refused to invade Astapor because she didn't want to kill a single innocent. QUOTE(dandy* @ May 13 2019, 12:06 PM) Yeah, basically all of that and more. So sad to see that a fantastic show and characters are ending in this manner, I mean Varys for example deserved so much better than that (although the character has definitely been underused for ages now and the show has been all the worse for it), not to mention Cersei who basically went out with a whimper and about 10 lines all season when she deserved a huge moment. This season has felt like I've been watching a highlights or recap section, lots of rushed things happening with no real pay off or logic to them to give you a semblance or reminder of a story rather than a fleshed out one. And there is literally no logic whatsoever to Dany torching the entirety of a fleet that she couldn't attack or even notice last week! I hate being this negative about it too as I really wanted to love this season. Agree with all of this. Obviously, it's still well acted and the production values remain as impressive as ever — but the substance that was there in earlier seasons has completely gone. They're rushing as quickly as possible to the finish line after years of moving the story forward in slower and compelling ways. So disappointing. Just because something has been hinted at a few times doesn't mean it should happen, and if it does then spend seasons actually building up to it in a gradual way rather than going all in over two episodes. It's lazy writing. I have no words for the lack of giving Cersei anything to do this season and then killing her off in the most boring way possible. |
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13th May 2019, 12:58 PM
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QUOTE(365 @ May 13 2019, 09:53 AM) There was so many character plot holes and illogical things that happened but I enjoyed the episode a lot for the mere spectacle of it all. This is it really — there is enough here to enjoy and marvel at if you can look past the plot and forget how well earlier seasons combined spectacle with great writing. |
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13th May 2019, 02:10 PM
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This final season is so...unbelievably bad. It's like the previous 7 seasons never happened.
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