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 20th March 2024, 05:36 PM
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It's not eallya democracy we live in. We can ahve any psrty we like, as long as it's Toey. Permissable opposition.
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20th March 2024, 06:30 PM
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QUOTE(neill2407 @ Mar 20 2024, 06:04 PM)  As much as I hate the Tories, Rachel Reeve’s comments about a new era comparable to Thatcher concern me. The Thatcher era was very damaging and included many policies which were detrimental to this country such as privatisation and the selling of council homes. People are crying out for real change and not just a different party with similar sounding ideas. Labour are exactly the same shit with a different colour rosette. Nothing they have said in the past couple of years has given me any confidence that they have any desire to fix the country |
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20th March 2024, 08:01 PM
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QUOTE(Silas @ Mar 20 2024, 06:30 PM) Labour are exactly the same shit with a different colour rosette. Nothing they have said in the past couple of years has given me any confidence that they have any desire to fix the country That’s the problem, neither party are particularly desirable and labour just appear to be the lesser of two evils. |
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20th March 2024, 08:43 PM
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The problem is, there isn't just a magic bullet that will fix everything. I think the comments Reeves made are a bit much personally (I mean, know your audience!!) but I can see who she is trying to appeal to. Labour came make things better for a lot of people in a few years with a series of good decisions and having strong governing people in top positions. But let's be honest, we're skint and we don't want to upset the markets as we've already seen the damage that can do.
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20th March 2024, 09:15 PM
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Ohh the markets let’s not annoy this invisible capitalists that keep us in our places and seemingly are irrelevant when there’s wars to be fought!
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20th March 2024, 09:38 PM
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ Mar 20 2024, 09:15 PM) Ohh the markets let’s not annoy this invisible capitalists that keep us in our places and seemingly are irrelevant when there’s wars to be fought! Well like it or not they're here and the last time we upset the markets we crashed the economy. Quite simply, we're skint and I think local councils need the reform and funding first. We clearly have a massive social care problem which is bankrupting councils and not sure there is any plan to fix this. |
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20th March 2024, 10:04 PM
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It’s just a way of restricting public spending so that £££ stays with the rich!
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20th March 2024, 10:41 PM
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Shakin Stevens
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Anyway Stephen Flynn once again asking the cleverest question at PMQs today despite having to attack both Labour and tories in Scotland (easier nowadays given the two main parties share the same philosophies):
“With his back benchers looking for a unity candidate to replace him who does the Prime Minister think of the numerous Thatcherites on the Labour front bench fits the bill?” ������ This post has been edited by Steve201: 20th March 2024, 10:42 PM |
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20th March 2024, 10:46 PM
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ Mar 20 2024, 10:04 PM) It’s just a way of restricting public spending so that £££ stays with the rich! Public spending is already high as are taxes. The problem is, we just don't spend the money very well and it's been funneled in to the wrong projects. |
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21st March 2024, 09:10 AM
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QUOTE(Rooney @ Mar 20 2024, 08:43 PM) The problem is, there isn't just a magic bullet that will fix everything. I think the comments Reeves made are a bit much personally (I mean, know your audience!!) but I can see who she is trying to appeal to. Labour came make things better for a lot of people in a few years with a series of good decisions and having strong governing people in top positions. But let's be honest, we're skint and we don't want to upset the markets as we've already seen the damage that can do. There are things that they can do though such as redistribution of wealth through a more progressive tax scheme. They also need a clear plan for how they will achieve growth and I remain unconvinced at present. |
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21st March 2024, 09:11 AM
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QUOTE(Rooney @ Mar 20 2024, 10:46 PM) Public spending is already high as are taxes. The problem is, we just don't spend the money very well and it's been funneled in to the wrong projects. Yes, wasted on things like Brexit and a pathetic Rwanda bill where both have achieved nothing positive. |
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21st March 2024, 10:55 AM
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QUOTE(Rooney @ Mar 20 2024, 09:43 PM) The problem is, there isn't just a magic bullet that will fix everything. I think the comments Reeves made are a bit much personally (I mean, know your audience!!) but I can see who she is trying to appeal to. Labour came make things better for a lot of people in a few years with a series of good decisions and having strong governing people in top positions. But let's be honest, we're skint and we don't want to upset the markets as we've already seen the damage that can do. I agree there isn’t a magic bullet, we need an entire ammunition factory and labour are serving vague promises of air rifle pellets But I strongly disagree with your last statement. The markets were spooked by Truss because she’s an economically illiterate moron who tried to f*** the country and the markets clearly reacted accordingly. Proper sustainable growth planning won’t spook markets because they can see the long term returns. |
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21st March 2024, 11:49 AM
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QUOTE(Silas @ Mar 21 2024, 10:55 AM) I agree there isn’t a magic bullet, we need an entire ammunition factory and labour are serving vague promises of air rifle pellets But I strongly disagree with your last statement. The markets were spooked by Truss because she’s an economically illiterate moron who tried to f*** the country and the markets clearly reacted accordingly. Proper sustainable growth planning won’t spook markets because they can see the long term returns. In hindsight I do agree, but the problem we have is how we raise money? Taxes are already high, and while I do support them being slightly higher, the trade off here is you squeeze the middle and push the voters away. Yeah tax reforms sound great, but they will cost money to draw up and there’s no guarantee they’d ever be implemented. I do see there being opportunities and I also do agree Labour have an opportunity to put together a solid plan that the markets see as sustainable & good for investment. Covid and Brexit truly messed up our finances and it’s going to take a long time to recover. |
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21st March 2024, 02:45 PM
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Squeeze the middle?? Corporation tax so that it's in line with the REST OF EUROPE would be nice, plus higher taxes on the rich. Though I suppose brexshit has made both of those rhings a no go now...
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21st March 2024, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE(Anita Hanjaab @ Mar 21 2024, 02:45 PM) Squeeze the middle?? Corporation tax so that it's in line with the REST OF EUROPE would be nice, plus higher taxes on the rich. Though I suppose brexshit has made both of those rhings a no go now... Thing is though, the more tax you put on the rich, the more likely they are to avoid it. These are the people who know loopholes and schemes. I think you’d be way better off closing these schemes and making it way less appealing for people to acquire and let property out with small portfolios. Plus like you say, raising corporation tax is one way. However there’s a reason businesses lobby the government. Brexit means higher business costs so we need to throw a bone to attract and maintain investment, otherwise they will move them. |
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21st March 2024, 06:41 PM
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25th March 2024, 09:44 PM
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Former Tory MP Scott Benton resigns from parliament - triggering by-election
https://news.sky.com/story/former-tory-mp-s...ection-13101692 f***ing weasel |
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25th March 2024, 09:51 PM
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Yeh chicken shit weasel!
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26th March 2024, 10:43 PM
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2 more Ministers quit the cabinet and quit as MPs - that’s 64 Tory MPs quiting rather than stand up to the electorate this year….
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4th April 2024, 10:42 PM
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Tory MP William Wragg has sent nudes to somebody on Grindr, and found himself in a position of being blackmailed into leaking the personal phone numbers of some journalists and fellow MPs.
Surely this means another by-election on the horizon? |
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