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 Jul 17 2020, 05:41 PM
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 I'm in a vewy bad mood, Bwadley.
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SMASH! *.*
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Jul 17 2020, 06:57 PM
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 Break the tension
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Are they actually really going ahead with this as a proper single? I can't see it peaking any higher than that.
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 Jul 17 2020, 08:47 PM
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QUOTE(365 @ Jul 17 2020, 08:17 PM)  She did THAT with no streaming support  No streaming support? She has PLENTY of it. I've seen Smile featured very high in numerous playlists. |
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Jul 17 2020, 09:13 PM
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and it’s the 11th most played song on radio last week. the public aren’t here for it, let’s face it.
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Jul 17 2020, 10:41 PM
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I'll just stick around and do some more damage
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I honestly think this has been a bit underrated and is one of the better songs from this era (about on par with 'Daisies', maybe a little better even, would only say 'Never Really Over' was significantly better). Nothing groundbreaking obviously but it's a fun song, gives me some Bruno Mars vibes.
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Jul 17 2020, 10:44 PM
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Jord
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Is Scotland a streaming only chart?
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Jul 17 2020, 10:47 PM
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QUOTE(LJ JORD 7 @ Jul 17 2020, 11:44 PM) Is Scotland a streaming only chart? As far as I know it's downloads, CDs, vinyl and other formats! |
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Jul 17 2020, 10:55 PM
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QUOTE(Calum @ Jul 17 2020, 11:47 PM) As far as I know it's downloads, CDs, vinyl and other formats! Yep there's no streaming, hence events like Wildest Dreams going top 10 here and Ellie's River missing the top 100  By population, I'd guess Katy sold about 100 downloads in Scotland to be #22? Sales legend.
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Jul 18 2020, 12:53 AM
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Jord
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Omg I didn’t mean to ask that haha I meant to say sales only you guys must’ve been thinking huh
 I was thinking there’s no way it would be top 30 of streams were included! |
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Jul 18 2020, 12:56 AM
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 you never forget your first time...
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QUOTE(Nick Jonas @ Jul 17 2020, 10:13 PM) and it’s the 11th most played song on radio last week. the public aren’t here for it, let’s face it. 22nd most downloaded song of the week. It's not charting any higher because it doesn't have Hot Hits support. Not saying it'd be a gigantic smash even with that support, but it's not very fair to say the public aren't here for it when it's not even being given a chance. |
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Jul 18 2020, 01:00 AM
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Jord
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I think on name alone you’d probably expect more from Katy in week one but as always there’s a chance that the song could grow in the coming weeks and not be a week one peaker. She’s actually giving promotion and radio play and streaming support could increase more as we get closer to the album release.
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Jul 18 2020, 10:14 AM
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On name alone Katy Perry should be debuting Top 40. I know the Spotify playlists are significant but if you're an established artist, you should have a fanbase who will seek out new music from you. It's very disappointing that she seems pretty much over.
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Jul 18 2020, 12:00 PM
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QUOTE(Slick @ Jul 18 2020, 11:14 AM) On name alone Katy Perry should be debuting Top 40. I know the Spotify playlists are significant but if you're an established artist, you should have a fanbase who will seek out new music from you. It's very disappointing that she seems pretty much over. It is, but I find myself not as bothered by the floppiness as I was during Witness. Probably because that was more of a surprise as we’d always only known her as this massive #1 popstar and now I can accept she’s on the level of like Xtina after Bionic. |
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Jul 18 2020, 12:12 PM
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Jord
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I can see the Xtina comparisons tbh! But Katy has actually done promo here i can’t remember the last time Xtina done any UK promo besides her tour since X Factor in 2010 like her last three albums all had nothing in terms of UK promo. Katy’s better in that sense. I guess Katy could’ve rebounded the way Gaga has but to do that she’d have had to go back to a sound what maybe she’s grown out of herself now so she’s going down the more mature route.
I still think Katy has it in her to get another smash though but it’s harder for her to rebound than it was for Gaga as she’s less versatile. |
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Jul 18 2020, 07:26 PM
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QUOTE(Voodoo @ Jul 17 2020, 09:47 PM) No streaming support? She has PLENTY of it. I've seen Smile featured very high in numerous playlists. Not that i really think the song is up to much anyway, but I think we all know now that regardless if a song isn't on Hot Hits or Today's Hot Hits it's pretty unlikely to do much on streaming. |
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Jul 19 2020, 09:11 AM
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Exactly, without big playlist support there's no way to get a hit, even to go top 200 on Spotify you need 50,000 streams per day
do you think Katy Perry has 50,000 fans in the UK? the only way to achieve that is with playlist support and random people streaming it... and big playlists support means Hot Hits + Today's Hot Hits doesn't matter if she's in tons of useless playlists like the Pop List or whatever you really cannot compare with the Xtina days cos back then you didn't need so many fans to have a hit |
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Jul 19 2020, 10:00 AM
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QUOTE(365 @ Jul 17 2020, 02:17 PM) She did THAT with no streaming support How come a song that reached 65M reach on Spotify and still has 58M reach today didn't have streaming support? 
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Jul 19 2020, 10:12 AM
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QUOTE(Bjork @ Jul 19 2020, 06:11 AM) Exactly, without big playlist support there's no way to get a hit, even to go top 200 on Spotify you need 50,000 streams per day do you think Katy Perry has 50,000 fans in the UK? Actually, you're wrong. Based on your logic, Katy shouldn't even have 5,000 fans in the UK, as each user can give 10 streams a day on a song, so to reach 50,000 streams she would only need 5,000 fans playing Smile 10 times a day to join the Top 200. |
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Jul 19 2020, 10:57 AM
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QUOTE(Adelita @ Jul 19 2020, 11:12 AM) Actually, you're wrong. Based on your logic, Katy shouldn't even have 5,000 fans in the UK, as each user can give 10 streams a day on a song, so to reach 50,000 streams she would only need 5,000 fans playing Smile 10 times a day to join the Top 200. I don’t often agree with you, but I agree with this. |
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Jul 19 2020, 01:12 PM
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you never forget your first time...
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I feel like we're missing the pretty substantial point of it not being on Hot Hits UK. It's f***ed without that, that's ALL there is to it.
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