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post Oct 6 2019, 12:19 PM
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I feel something does need to be done as we're still getting very stagnant charts or at least 'bottlenecks' where a bunch of tracks are bunged up unable to move. What the remedy is though I am unsure of!
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post Oct 6 2019, 01:57 PM
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Maybe if a user was capped to just 10 streams of a song in its lifetime then songs would naturally fall away quicker. I suspect many streams of Ladbroke Grove etc are from people who have already played it 10 times and still enjoy it so that would naturally be a few places lower without the need for ACR.

This will also somewhat solve the problem the OCC are going to have with just about every Christmas classic coming back to the chart every year.
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post Oct 6 2019, 01:59 PM
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That’s not a bad idea, reduce the number of streams a person can impact on the charts rather than the current system and the movement would be much better. In the context of iTunes and CDs, we’d only (usually) buy it once and repeat it so maybe 10 streams by one person for one song counts as a sale and that’s it
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post Oct 8 2019, 12:34 PM
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Is Sorry set to go on ACR anytime soon, could we see about half the top 10 hitting ACR at the same time?
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post Oct 9 2019, 01:10 AM
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QUOTE(lewistgreen @ Oct 6 2019, 02:59 PM) *
That’s not a bad idea, reduce the number of streams a person can impact on the charts rather than the current system and the movement would be much better. In the context of iTunes and CDs, we’d only (usually) buy it once and repeat it so maybe 10 streams by one person for one song counts as a sale and that’s it

I think that's a great way to solve the issue and it would help level up streaming points aswell.
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post Oct 9 2019, 01:13 PM
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QUOTE(danG @ Mar 26 2019, 12:49 PM) *
I suspect if users were capped to 10 streams per song forever it wouldn't change the chart as drastically as some people here would like it to.
The real long runners like Shotgun would be a little bit lower but there'd also be a lot of casual users who enjoy the song and still haven't given it 10 streams yet.

QUOTE(danG @ Oct 6 2019, 02:57 PM) *
Maybe if a user was capped to just 10 streams of a song in its lifetime then songs would naturally fall away quicker. I suspect many streams of Ladbroke Grove etc are from people who have already played it 10 times and still enjoy it so that would naturally be a few places lower without the need for ACR.

This will also somewhat solve the problem the OCC are going to have with just about every Christmas classic coming back to the chart every year.

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(I still think this is a very good idea, obviously we can't see what the OCC can potentially see so we'll never know for sure but I certainly think it's worth a try)
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post Oct 9 2019, 01:16 PM
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Its a good idea problen is it will make sales look really weak
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post Oct 9 2019, 01:20 PM
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QUOTE(PeteFromLeeds @ Oct 9 2019, 02:13 PM) *
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(I still think this is a very good idea, obviously we can't see what the OCC can potentially see so we'll never know for sure but I certainly think it's worth a try)

well maybe I changed my mind a bit. tongue.gif
but it’s impossible to say what effect it would have without looking at such data that we don’t have so who knows really.
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post Oct 9 2019, 02:50 PM
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people have been suggesting this since day 1, same for albums, a proper cap would be much better than ACR, which is totally random...

but I actually think the problem then, weekly "sales" would be much much lower than they already are,
sure if a chunk of streams didn't count for Dance Monkey cos I've streamed it 50 times already, and same for many users, streams would be lower
and the occ doesn't seem to like that...
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post Oct 9 2019, 04:56 PM
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I actually agreed with danG's original post that Pete quoted above - I doubt a cap would have the intended impact. Think about it like this: with streaming, music consumption is reaching far more people than singles sales (physical or digital) ever did, so that means the average listener is later in discovering songs they like. Those songs which have a larger reach generally take longer to do so - it's not just people streaming the same songs 100 times over.

If the OCC did ever introduce it, I'd say 10 is far too low and could end up turning the chart into Hot Hits and the like from which some people stream every song passively several times a week whether they like them or not, so would soon get to 10 plays on most of their current songs. 20 would be better, but I think the main reason a cap hasn't been implemented is the sheer amount of data to track (every streaming account x every song ever) making it unfeasible - at least for now.

Going back to the thread topic, I think one of the reasons several songs have avoided it for so long is the Bank Holiday weekend 6 weeks ago and the good weather 3 weeks ago, when most of the Top 10 got a boost. It's a bit of a fluke occurrence. I'm actually looking forward to 6 or 7 songs from the top 12 or so going to ACR at the same time next week, as it's never happened before and will make room for some 'fresher' songs (and perhaps Take Me Back To London) to refill the Top 10 in their wake.
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post Oct 10 2019, 08:40 AM
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^man you're underestimating the power of technology and data analysis, of course they can track and cap what you listen, they already do that, there is already a daily cap, so making a total cap wouldn't make a difference and it's the easiest thing to do
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post Oct 10 2019, 09:23 AM
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Obviously the streaming companies have that data but would need the incentive from the OCC to use it in that way. I think the daily cap is different as it's built into existing metrics e.g. weekly Spotify tables already exclude >10 plays a day - but not 100% sure
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post Oct 11 2019, 08:30 PM
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Ladbroke Grove... is going to ACR?!?!
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post Oct 11 2019, 08:36 PM
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(full update is coming)
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post Oct 11 2019, 08:47 PM
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For week ending 17th October!

1ST 6 | Song is in its first six weeks in the chart so is not affected by ACR.
Aitch feat. ZieZie - Buss Down
AJ Tracey - Cat Pack
Ariana Grande, Miley Cyrus & Lana Del Rey - Don't Call Me Angel
Billie Eilish - all the good girls go to hell
blackbear - hot girl bummer
Camila Cabello - Cry for Me
Camila Cabello - Liar
D-Block Europe feat. Dave - Playing For Keeps
D-Block Europe feat. Lil Baby - Nookie
Dan + Shay & Justin Bieber - 10,000 Hours
Dave - Professor X
Dermot Kennedy - All My Friends
Dermot Kennedy - Power Over Me
Drake - Behind Barz
Ed Sheeran feat. Camila Cabello & Cardi B - South of the Border
Elderbrook & Rudimental - Something About You
Fredo - Freddy
French Montana feat. Post Malone, Cardi B & Rvssian - Writing on the Wall
Halsey - Graveyard
Jax Jones & Ella Henderson - This Is Real
JAY1 - 4AM In Coventry
Juice WRLD & YoungBoy Never Broke Again - Bandit
Lil Tecca - Love Me
Maroon 5 - Memories
Niall Horan - Nice to Meet Ya
NSG - Trust Issues
Post Malone - Circles
Post Malone - Saint-Tropez
Post Malone feat. Ozzy Osbourne & Travis Scott - Take What You Want
RAYE - Love Me Again
Riton & Oliver Heldens feat. Vula - Turn Me On
SHAED - Trampoline
Stay Flee Get Lizzy presents Tory Lanez, Fredo & Popcaan - 2 Cups
Stormzy - Sounds of the Skeng
Stormzy - Wiley Flow
Summer Walker - Playing Games
Summer Walker & Usher - Come Thru
Summer Walker feat. A Boogie Wit Da Hoodie - Stretch You Out
The Script - The Last Time
Tiësto & Mabel - God Is a Dancer
Tion Wayne & JAY1 - 2 On 2
Travis Scott - HIGHEST IN THE ROOM
YNW Melly feat. 9lokknine - 223's
Yves V feat. Afrojack & Icona Pop - We Got That Cool

SCR | Song is older than six weeks but is currently on zero weeks of decline.
Dermot Kennedy - Outnumbered
Jorja Smith feat. Burna Boy - Be Honest
Khalid feat. A Boogie Wit Da Hoodie - Right Back
Lauv feat. Anne-Marie - fuck, i'm lonely
Lil Tjay - F.N
Regard - Ride It
Sam Feldt feat. RANI - Post Malone
The Chainsmokers & ILLENIUM feat. Lennon Stella - Takeaway
Tones and I - Dance Monkey

DCL-1 | Song has declined for one week.
D-Block Europe - Home P*ssy
Lewis Capaldi - Bruises
Lizzo - Truth Hurts
Normani - Motivation

DCL-2 | Song has declined for two consecutive weeks.
Headie One - Both
Koffee - Toast
Lizzo - Good As Hell
Miley Cyrus - Slide Away
Sam Fender - Will We Talk?
Taylor Swift - Lover
Y2K & bbno$ - Lalala

DCL-3 | Song has declined for three consecutive weeks and will be on ACR in the next chart.
AJ Tracey - Ladbroke Grove
Dominic Fike - 3 Nights
Jax Jones & Bebe Rexha - Harder
Joel Corry - Sorry
Kygo & Whitney Houston - Higher Love
Lil Nas X - Panini
Lil Tecca - Ransom
Megan Thee Stallion feat. Nicki Minaj & Ty Dolla $ign - Hot Girl Summer
Sam Fender - Hypersonic Missiles
Sam Smith - How Do You Sleep?
Solardo & Eli Brown - XTC
Young T & Bugsey feat. Aitch - Strike a Pose

ACR | Song has declined for three consecutive weeks and has its streaming values halved.
Aitch - Taste (Make It Shake)
Ariana Grande & Social House - boyfriend
Ava Max - Sweet But Psycho
Billie Eilish - bad guy
Calvin Harris & Rag'n'Bone Man - Giant
Chris Brown feat. Drake - No Guidance
Dave feat. Burna Boy - Location
Ed Sheeran feat. Khalid - Beautiful People
Ed Sheeran feat. Stormzy - Take Me Back to London
Freya Ridings - Castles
George Ezra - Shotgun
Lady Gaga & Bradley Cooper - Shallow
Lewis Capaldi - Hold Me While You Wait
Lewis Capaldi - Someone You Loved
Lil Nas X - Old Town Road
Mabel - Mad Love
Meduza feat. GOODBOYS - Piece of Your Heart
MIST feat. Fredo - So High
RUSS & Tion Wayne - Keisha & Becky
Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello - Señorita
Sigala & Becky Hill - Wish You Well
Stormzy - Vossi Bop
Tiësto, Jonas Blue & Rita Ora - Ritual
Tom Walker - Just You and I

RESET | Song has seen an increase of over 25% in streams and will be returning to SCR next week.

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post Oct 11 2019, 08:48 PM
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Yes, that's right - half of the top ten is going to ACR next week!
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post Oct 11 2019, 08:52 PM
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Here's hoping the mass ACR cull will help Harry Styles chart higher this week! kink.gif
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post Oct 11 2019, 09:05 PM
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Ooh, hopefully Jorja can go top 5/10 this week then! ohmy.gif
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post Oct 11 2019, 09:12 PM
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Oh Joseph you made my Friday Thank you update
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post Oct 11 2019, 09:16 PM
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Wow 5 songs from the current top 10 going ACR
Plus sam smith and lil tecca
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