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Oct 6 2019, 12:19 PM
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I feel something does need to be done as we're still getting very stagnant charts or at least 'bottlenecks' where a bunch of tracks are bunged up unable to move. What the remedy is though I am unsure of!
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Oct 6 2019, 01:57 PM
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Maybe if a user was capped to just 10 streams of a song in its lifetime then songs would naturally fall away quicker. I suspect many streams of Ladbroke Grove etc are from people who have already played it 10 times and still enjoy it so that would naturally be a few places lower without the need for ACR.
This will also somewhat solve the problem the OCC are going to have with just about every Christmas classic coming back to the chart every year. |
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Oct 6 2019, 01:59 PM
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That’s not a bad idea, reduce the number of streams a person can impact on the charts rather than the current system and the movement would be much better. In the context of iTunes and CDs, we’d only (usually) buy it once and repeat it so maybe 10 streams by one person for one song counts as a sale and that’s it
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Oct 8 2019, 12:34 PM
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Is Sorry set to go on ACR anytime soon, could we see about half the top 10 hitting ACR at the same time?
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Oct 9 2019, 01:10 AM
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That’s not a bad idea, reduce the number of streams a person can impact on the charts rather than the current system and the movement would be much better. In the context of iTunes and CDs, we’d only (usually) buy it once and repeat it so maybe 10 streams by one person for one song counts as a sale and that’s it I think that's a great way to solve the issue and it would help level up streaming points aswell. |
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Oct 9 2019, 01:13 PM
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I suspect if users were capped to 10 streams per song forever it wouldn't change the chart as drastically as some people here would like it to. The real long runners like Shotgun would be a little bit lower but there'd also be a lot of casual users who enjoy the song and still haven't given it 10 streams yet. Maybe if a user was capped to just 10 streams of a song in its lifetime then songs would naturally fall away quicker. I suspect many streams of Ladbroke Grove etc are from people who have already played it 10 times and still enjoy it so that would naturally be a few places lower without the need for ACR. This will also somewhat solve the problem the OCC are going to have with just about every Christmas classic coming back to the chart every year. (I still think this is a very good idea, obviously we can't see what the OCC can potentially see so we'll never know for sure but I certainly think it's worth a try) |
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Oct 9 2019, 01:16 PM
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Its a good idea problen is it will make sales look really weak
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Oct 9 2019, 01:20 PM
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(I still think this is a very good idea, obviously we can't see what the OCC can potentially see so we'll never know for sure but I certainly think it's worth a try) well maybe I changed my mind a bit. but it’s impossible to say what effect it would have without looking at such data that we don’t have so who knows really. |
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Oct 9 2019, 02:50 PM
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people have been suggesting this since day 1, same for albums, a proper cap would be much better than ACR, which is totally random...
but I actually think the problem then, weekly "sales" would be much much lower than they already are, sure if a chunk of streams didn't count for Dance Monkey cos I've streamed it 50 times already, and same for many users, streams would be lower and the occ doesn't seem to like that... |
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Oct 9 2019, 04:56 PM
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I actually agreed with danG's original post that Pete quoted above - I doubt a cap would have the intended impact. Think about it like this: with streaming, music consumption is reaching far more people than singles sales (physical or digital) ever did, so that means the average listener is later in discovering songs they like. Those songs which have a larger reach generally take longer to do so - it's not just people streaming the same songs 100 times over.
If the OCC did ever introduce it, I'd say 10 is far too low and could end up turning the chart into Hot Hits and the like from which some people stream every song passively several times a week whether they like them or not, so would soon get to 10 plays on most of their current songs. 20 would be better, but I think the main reason a cap hasn't been implemented is the sheer amount of data to track (every streaming account x every song ever) making it unfeasible - at least for now. Going back to the thread topic, I think one of the reasons several songs have avoided it for so long is the Bank Holiday weekend 6 weeks ago and the good weather 3 weeks ago, when most of the Top 10 got a boost. It's a bit of a fluke occurrence. I'm actually looking forward to 6 or 7 songs from the top 12 or so going to ACR at the same time next week, as it's never happened before and will make room for some 'fresher' songs (and perhaps Take Me Back To London) to refill the Top 10 in their wake. |
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Oct 10 2019, 08:40 AM
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^man you're underestimating the power of technology and data analysis, of course they can track and cap what you listen, they already do that, there is already a daily cap, so making a total cap wouldn't make a difference and it's the easiest thing to do
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Oct 10 2019, 09:23 AM
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Obviously the streaming companies have that data but would need the incentive from the OCC to use it in that way. I think the daily cap is different as it's built into existing metrics e.g. weekly Spotify tables already exclude >10 plays a day - but not 100% sure
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Oct 11 2019, 08:30 PM
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Ladbroke Grove... is going to ACR?!?!
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Oct 11 2019, 08:36 PM
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(full update is coming)
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Oct 11 2019, 08:47 PM
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you never forget your first time...
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For week ending 17th October!
1ST 6 | Song is in its first six weeks in the chart so is not affected by ACR. Aitch feat. ZieZie - Buss Down AJ Tracey - Cat Pack Ariana Grande, Miley Cyrus & Lana Del Rey - Don't Call Me Angel Billie Eilish - all the good girls go to hell blackbear - hot girl bummer Camila Cabello - Cry for Me Camila Cabello - Liar D-Block Europe feat. Dave - Playing For Keeps D-Block Europe feat. Lil Baby - Nookie Dan + Shay & Justin Bieber - 10,000 Hours Dave - Professor X Dermot Kennedy - All My Friends Dermot Kennedy - Power Over Me Drake - Behind Barz Ed Sheeran feat. Camila Cabello & Cardi B - South of the Border Elderbrook & Rudimental - Something About You Fredo - Freddy French Montana feat. Post Malone, Cardi B & Rvssian - Writing on the Wall Halsey - Graveyard Jax Jones & Ella Henderson - This Is Real JAY1 - 4AM In Coventry Juice WRLD & YoungBoy Never Broke Again - Bandit Lil Tecca - Love Me Maroon 5 - Memories Niall Horan - Nice to Meet Ya NSG - Trust Issues Post Malone - Circles Post Malone - Saint-Tropez Post Malone feat. Ozzy Osbourne & Travis Scott - Take What You Want RAYE - Love Me Again Riton & Oliver Heldens feat. Vula - Turn Me On SHAED - Trampoline Stay Flee Get Lizzy presents Tory Lanez, Fredo & Popcaan - 2 Cups Stormzy - Sounds of the Skeng Stormzy - Wiley Flow Summer Walker - Playing Games Summer Walker & Usher - Come Thru Summer Walker feat. A Boogie Wit Da Hoodie - Stretch You Out The Script - The Last Time Tiësto & Mabel - God Is a Dancer Tion Wayne & JAY1 - 2 On 2 Travis Scott - HIGHEST IN THE ROOM YNW Melly feat. 9lokknine - 223's Yves V feat. Afrojack & Icona Pop - We Got That Cool SCR | Song is older than six weeks but is currently on zero weeks of decline. Dermot Kennedy - Outnumbered Jorja Smith feat. Burna Boy - Be Honest Khalid feat. A Boogie Wit Da Hoodie - Right Back Lauv feat. Anne-Marie - fuck, i'm lonely Lil Tjay - F.N Regard - Ride It Sam Feldt feat. RANI - Post Malone The Chainsmokers & ILLENIUM feat. Lennon Stella - Takeaway Tones and I - Dance Monkey DCL-1 | Song has declined for one week. D-Block Europe - Home P*ssy Lewis Capaldi - Bruises Lizzo - Truth Hurts Normani - Motivation DCL-2 | Song has declined for two consecutive weeks. Headie One - Both Koffee - Toast Lizzo - Good As Hell Miley Cyrus - Slide Away Sam Fender - Will We Talk? Taylor Swift - Lover Y2K & bbno$ - Lalala DCL-3 | Song has declined for three consecutive weeks and will be on ACR in the next chart. AJ Tracey - Ladbroke Grove Dominic Fike - 3 Nights Jax Jones & Bebe Rexha - Harder Joel Corry - Sorry Kygo & Whitney Houston - Higher Love Lil Nas X - Panini Lil Tecca - Ransom Megan Thee Stallion feat. Nicki Minaj & Ty Dolla $ign - Hot Girl Summer Sam Fender - Hypersonic Missiles Sam Smith - How Do You Sleep? Solardo & Eli Brown - XTC Young T & Bugsey feat. Aitch - Strike a Pose ACR | Song has declined for three consecutive weeks and has its streaming values halved. Aitch - Taste (Make It Shake) Ariana Grande & Social House - boyfriend Ava Max - Sweet But Psycho Billie Eilish - bad guy Calvin Harris & Rag'n'Bone Man - Giant Chris Brown feat. Drake - No Guidance Dave feat. Burna Boy - Location Ed Sheeran feat. Khalid - Beautiful People Ed Sheeran feat. Stormzy - Take Me Back to London Freya Ridings - Castles George Ezra - Shotgun Lady Gaga & Bradley Cooper - Shallow Lewis Capaldi - Hold Me While You Wait Lewis Capaldi - Someone You Loved Lil Nas X - Old Town Road Mabel - Mad Love Meduza feat. GOODBOYS - Piece of Your Heart MIST feat. Fredo - So High RUSS & Tion Wayne - Keisha & Becky Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello - Señorita Sigala & Becky Hill - Wish You Well Stormzy - Vossi Bop Tiësto, Jonas Blue & Rita Ora - Ritual Tom Walker - Just You and I RESET | Song has seen an increase of over 25% in streams and will be returning to SCR next week. |
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Oct 11 2019, 08:48 PM
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Yes, that's right - half of the top ten is going to ACR next week!
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Oct 11 2019, 08:52 PM
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you never forget your first time...
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Here's hoping the mass ACR cull will help Harry Styles chart higher this week!
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Oct 11 2019, 09:05 PM
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Ooh, hopefully Jorja can go top 5/10 this week then!
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Oct 11 2019, 09:12 PM
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Oh Joseph you made my Friday Thank you update
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Oct 11 2019, 09:16 PM
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Wow 5 songs from the current top 10 going ACR
Plus sam smith and lil tecca |
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