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Posted by: Houdini Nov 1 2016, 12:37 AM

Only one week to go until the U.S Presidential election. Who's your money on?

It's gonna be an incredible night and possibly the most historic day of the year for the world as a whole. I might be tempted to stay up very late next Tuesday.

Posted by: Jade Nov 1 2016, 12:51 AM

Hillary Clinton. The whole email thing this time round was really clutching at straws for an excuse for more backlash. I don't think her chances will be badly scuppered as a result. Could not deal with both Brexit and Trump this year so c'mon girl.

Posted by: Taylor Jago Nov 1 2016, 07:11 AM

I think and hope it will be Hilary Clinton. Like Jade said, Brexit and Trump in the same year would be too much. And Trump losing would be at least something good happening in this awful year.

Posted by: Snake In The Sno Nov 1 2016, 08:53 AM

Well Hilary Clinton as stated in the poll won't win it because her name is Hillary Clinton laugh.gif

Seriously though Hillary will win it. I think something else negative will emerge about Trump before the election and that will swing it decisively.

Posted by: Common Sense Nov 1 2016, 08:58 AM

Think it will be Hillary but HOPE it's Donald Trump. Come on Donald!!!

Posted by: *Tim Nov 1 2016, 09:03 AM

QUOTE(Common Sense @ Nov 1 2016, 09:58 AM) *
Think it will be Hillary but HOPE it's Donald Trump. Come on Donald!!!

You need Jesus

Posted by: Danvember Nov 1 2016, 09:24 AM

Michelle Obama.

But seriously please Hillary. There's so many things wrong with Trump

Posted by: Joe. Nov 1 2016, 09:28 AM

I feel a bit sick at the thought of Trump, it won't just effect America negatively, but the entire world. I hope it's Hillary, but I know there's a lot of bigoted, stupid Americans out there.

Posted by: blackbitz Nov 1 2016, 09:51 AM

I hope Trump will win this election.... I wish he will

Posted by: Blurbe Witch Nov 1 2016, 11:35 AM

I think it will be Hillary but everything seems to be going wrong this year, so a Trump win wouldn't surprise me.

We'll probably also be at war with Russia by the end of the year just to add the icing on the cake.

Posted by: *Tim Nov 1 2016, 12:50 PM

Trump is ahead by 1%point in the latest polls :/

Posted by: Silas Nov 1 2016, 12:53 PM

I'm hoping it's Clinton. She's so qualified for the job and will make a great president.

Silver lining for electing Trump is that the arse will fall out the US dollar and the pound won't be the worlds worst performing currency for yet another month!!

Posted by: Qassändra Nov 1 2016, 12:55 PM

QUOTE(*Tim @ Nov 1 2016, 12:50 PM) *
Trump is ahead by 1%point in the latest polls :/

One poll. Most of the rest still have Hillary solidly ahead, so it's nothing to get too scared about. Romney had polls where he was ahead the week before in 2012.

Posted by: Izzy Dead People Nov 1 2016, 01:08 PM

Feeling fairly safe on it being Clinton now, and I'm pretty sure she'll be a great president.

I will definitely miss the easy conversation starter of 'oh guys look at what Trump's said now' though.

Posted by: Taylor Jago Nov 1 2016, 01:15 PM

QUOTE(Izzy Dead People @ Nov 1 2016, 02:08 PM) *
Feeling fairly safe on it being Clinton now, and I'm pretty sure she'll be a great president.

I will definitely miss the easy conversation starter of 'oh guys look at what Trump's said now' though.

That won't necessarily go away. He can still say offensive things without being the Republican candidate for president. What will go away is the terror that he may get elected.

Posted by: Silas Nov 1 2016, 01:34 PM

Only for a couple of years. Who knows what he'll do come the 2020 election.

Posted by: Bré Nov 1 2016, 02:04 PM

Hillary will win this one, but unless she can dramatically improve her favourability it will presumably be tough for her to win again in 2020. She's been saved this year by happening to be facing someone even more hated. I doubt Republicans will make the same mistake next time, unless Trump literally runs again. More likely they'll pick someone just as dangerous as Trump, but actually able to win. Let's 'enjoy' four years of Hillary while we have them lol :eyes:

Posted by: ¡Michael Myers! Nov 1 2016, 02:09 PM

If she wins she is one term unless Donald runs again.

Posted by: Qassändra Nov 1 2016, 02:41 PM

QUOTE(¡Michael Myers! @ Nov 1 2016, 02:09 PM) *
If she wins she is one term unless Donald runs again.

Yes, because the Republicans are definitely going to pull themselves together quickly from a position where Ted Cruz was their sensible option.

Posted by: ML Hammer95 Nov 1 2016, 02:42 PM

Clinton will win, but I rather Trump won tbh. He's terrible but Clinton is such an establishment snake.

Posted by: Qassändra Nov 1 2016, 02:46 PM

Yes, because it's definitely worse that someone's a member of *thunderclap; woman screaming* THE ESTABLISHMENT rather than, y'know, an open racist who boasts about sexually assaulting women.

Posted by: Jack Nov 1 2016, 02:47 PM

Trump because I have no faith in humanity.

Posted by: ¡Michael Myers! Nov 1 2016, 02:47 PM

QUOTE(ML Hammer95 @ Nov 1 2016, 02:42 PM) *
Clinton will win, but I rather Trump won tbh. He's terrible but Clinton is such an establishment snake.


And this (ridiculous but whatever) perception, further diffused by the media, is exactly why she is weak candidate, Silas.

Posted by: ¡Michael Myers! Nov 1 2016, 02:48 PM

QUOTE(Jack @ Nov 1 2016, 02:47 PM) *
Trump because I have no faith in humanity.


Basically this cry.gif

Especially after Brexit and people not trusting experts as they didn't trust intelligent people.

Posted by: ML Hammer95 Nov 1 2016, 02:48 PM

QUOTE(Qassändra @ Nov 1 2016, 02:46 PM) *
Yes, because it's definitely worse that someone's a member of *thunderclap; woman screaming* THE ESTABLISHMENT rather than, y'know, an open racist who boasts about sexually assaulting women.


In an ideal world, Obama would stay on. However, I cannot stand Clinton and I'm hardly alone. Trump is terrible but even if he got in, he wouldn't be able to do half the things he talks about.

Posted by: Qassändra Nov 1 2016, 02:53 PM

As if the other half he would be able to do wouldn't be totally horrific? To say nothing of the huge outpouring of attacks that would inevitably follow from something as legitimising as a white supremacist being elected president.

And also, why can't you stand Clinton? Because she's in favour of foreign intervention? Because she talks to Wall Street? Cos it's not like Obama isn't just as guilty of those either. At that point, what are the other things that seem to make Clinton so unappealing compared with Obama?

Posted by: ML Hammer95 Nov 1 2016, 02:55 PM

QUOTE(Qassändra @ Nov 1 2016, 02:53 PM) *
As if the other half he would be able to do wouldn't be totally horrific? To say nothing of the huge outpouring of attacks that would inevitably follow from something as legitimising as a white supremacist being elected president.


If Clinton gets in, all these problems will be at the forefront at the next election in 2020 guaranteed. If Trump gets in, all the problems will no doubt come to a head. Sweep everything under the carpet by electing Clinton.

Posted by: Addy Boo! Nov 1 2016, 02:57 PM

Oh God I hope Hillary wins. I came to US 2 years ago and if it happens Donald to win, I am sure I am going to have to pack and leave...I come from muslim country and family and he said so many time that he will deport all the muslims out of US.

Posted by: HexC Nov 1 2016, 03:00 PM

Clinton will win by about the same margin Obama did 4 years ago (i.e. solid but not a landslide by any means). The republicans will then spend the next four years refusing to compromise on anything meaning she won't be able to do anything and she'll get beaten by Scott Walker/Paul Ryan in 2020.

Posted by: Addy Boo! Nov 1 2016, 03:08 PM

And people voting for Trump and saying that he deserves to be a president, you all disgust me. I wish you will never have to deal with fears for your life but just try to understand millions and millions of people being affected if he gets elected as a president. Mexicans, muslims, gays etc etc.

Posted by: Qassändra Nov 1 2016, 03:10 PM

QUOTE(ML Hammer95 @ Nov 1 2016, 02:55 PM) *
If Clinton gets in, all these problems will be at the forefront at the next election in 2020 guaranteed. If Trump gets in, all the problems will no doubt come to a head. Sweep everything under the carpet by electing Clinton.

Racism doesn't go away if you don't elect a racist, but racists certainly feel far more emboldened if you elect a racist. There's hardly a guarantee that a racist will be elected in 2020 if Clinton gets elected this year.

Posted by: Qassändra Nov 1 2016, 03:11 PM

QUOTE(HexC @ Nov 1 2016, 03:00 PM) *
She'll get beaten by Scott Walker/Paul Ryan in 2020.

Why? He didn't go down too great last time with proposals on cutting Medicare to the bone almost solely to fund tax cuts for the top 5%. By and large people seem to realise she's not that bad once she's doing the job, so it's no guarantee that it'll be four years of eyeing the door.

Posted by: Karma Nov 1 2016, 03:12 PM

This is incredibly scary.

Posted by: ¡Michael Myers! Nov 1 2016, 03:12 PM

QUOTE(ML Hammer95 @ Nov 1 2016, 03:55 PM) *
If Clinton gets in, all these problems will be at the forefront at the next election in 2020 guaranteed. If Trump gets in, all the problems will no doubt come to a head. Sweep everything under the carpet by electing Clinton.


Like Brexit has done wonders for racism and homophobia in the UK, legitimising their views has made it all go away!

Posted by: Joe. Nov 1 2016, 03:17 PM

QUOTE(ML Hammer95 @ Nov 1 2016, 02:48 PM) *
In an ideal world, Obama would stay on. However, I cannot stand Clinton and I'm hardly alone. Trump is terrible but even if he got in, he wouldn't be able to do half the things he talks about.


Clinton's views and policies are the most in line with Obama's though (by a long way), which is why he wants her to be president. I don't understand this mentality at all. How on earth can you think that someone like Trump would be the next best thing to Obama. I don't want to bring up the word that rhymes with hexism, but saying things like that automatically make my head turn that way.

Posted by: Common Sense Nov 1 2016, 03:39 PM

QUOTE(Addy Boo! @ Nov 1 2016, 02:57 PM) *
Oh God I hope Hillary wins. I came to US 2 years ago and if it happens Donald to win, I am sure I am going to have to pack and leave...I come from muslim country and family and he said so many time that he will deport all the muslims out of US.


Don't worry as that's just talk. He won't do it at all.

Posted by: Qassändra Nov 1 2016, 03:41 PM

Of course, because there's a wonderful long track record of populists taking advantage of racial resentment not doing what they say they will once entering office.

Posted by: Addy Boo! Nov 1 2016, 03:54 PM

QUOTE(Common Sense @ Nov 1 2016, 05:39 PM) *
Don't worry as that's just talk. He won't do it at all.


Oh thanks, that's such a relief for me now and other millions people out there!!!

Posted by: Taylor Jago Nov 1 2016, 04:43 PM

Clinton will most likely win. However, not by much, which is ridiculous. She should be beating Trump like Chirac beat Le Pen in 2002, or like Johnson beat Goldwater in 1964. Unfortunately, at the moment, it looks like Clinton will probably win with 300 electoral votes at best sad.gif

Posted by: Liаm Nov 1 2016, 04:54 PM

I legit think Trump because 2016.

I cannot at anyone preferring Trump. At all. He's racist, sexis and homophobic but that's fine because Hilary isn't entirely transparent!!11!

Posted by: Suedehead2 Nov 1 2016, 05:30 PM

Clinton will win but Trump will declare himself president and stage his own inauguration on 20 January.

Posted by: Silas Nov 1 2016, 06:20 PM

I honestly don't understand why this is even a tough choice for people. One's a sexist, homophobic, racist, orange-coloured, fraudulent, sexually assaulting conman/alleged child rapist. The other is a vastly experienced stateswoman with a wealth of experience.


Then again I still don't understand how people thought that Brexit was a legitimate choice or how the Daily hate & fear and The Scum have gotten away with printing outright lies for decades.

Posted by: mr_pmt Nov 1 2016, 06:53 PM

I'm firmly of the belief that anyone who is supporting Trump in this is not a good person at all, in any way shape or form.

Posted by: Brett-Butler Nov 1 2016, 07:40 PM

Hilary Clinton will win the US Presidency. However, two weeks after her election it is revealed that she died 7 months ago, and in the interim period she has been controlled Weekend At Bernies style by Donna Brazile. Donald Trump will then open up his suit and reveal that he is in fact 3 capybaras standing on top of each other.

Posted by: Brett-Butler Nov 1 2016, 07:40 PM

QUOTE(mr_pmt @ Nov 1 2016, 07:53 PM) *
I'm firmly of the belief that anyone who is supporting Trump in this is not a good person at all, in any way shape or form.


Everyone's entitled to their beliefs, regardless of how incorrect or dangerous they are.

Posted by: Cody Krueger Nov 1 2016, 08:01 PM

Giant Meteor tbh

Posted by: ML Hammer95 Nov 1 2016, 08:12 PM

QUOTE(mr_pmt @ Nov 1 2016, 06:53 PM) *
I'm firmly of the belief that anyone who is supporting Trump in this is not a good person at all, in any way shape or form.


I don't like Trump particularly, but I don't like Clinton at all. If she gets in, I don't think anything will change but I accept Trump would probably make sure things worse.

He won't get in anyway, but people who say Clinton is good and amazing are not right either.

Posted by: Rooney Nov 1 2016, 08:55 PM

I hope Clinton wins, but I still think Trump might just edge her. Going to be very interesting and extremely close.


QUOTE(Blurbe Witch @ Nov 1 2016, 11:35 AM) *
I think it will be Hillary but everything seems to be going wrong this year, so a Trump win wouldn't surprise me.

We'll probably also be at war with Russia by the end of the year just to add the icing on the cake.


Just my personal thoughts of course, but of the two candidates, I'm of the opinion that we would be far more likely to go to war with Clinton in charge, rather than Trump.

Posted by: ¡Michael Myers! Nov 1 2016, 08:59 PM

He would appease Russia which would then lead to war.

With a more suitable candidate we have a new Cold War due to Putin's ambitions.

Posted by: Brett-Butler Nov 1 2016, 09:03 PM

I'm more worried about America going to war with the Philippines as things stand, to be honest. I've already seen more than a few people describe their President Duterte as the "East Asian Trump", some of the policies he's enacted would make The Donald look like Bambi in comparison (he's authorised the killing of thousands of drug dealers since coming into power mere months ago), and there's rumblings that he's going to dissolve the Defense Co-operation partnership between the two countries. I don't envy being the future President having to deal with him.

Posted by: Taylor Jago Nov 1 2016, 09:04 PM

QUOTE(Rooney @ Nov 1 2016, 09:55 PM) *
I hope Clinton wins, but I still think Trump might just edge her. Going to be very interesting and extremely close.
Just my personal thoughts of course, but of the two candidates, I'm of the opinion that we would be far more likely to go to war with Clinton in charge, rather than Trump.

Neville Chamberlain and Édouard Dalladier's strategy was to give in to everything Hitler wanted. That went brilliantly well, didn't it?

Posted by: ¡Michael Myers! Nov 1 2016, 09:09 PM

QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Nov 1 2016, 05:30 PM) *
Clinton will win but Trump will declare himself president and stage his own inauguration on 20 January.


I wouldn't be surprised if he did this, saying he is the president of 47% of the country etc.

Posted by: J▲hq Nov 1 2016, 09:10 PM

I really can't answer 'who will win' because I'm obviously bias towards not wanting it to be Trump, and I don't want to jinx it. I hope there aren't enough idiots in America to vote Trump in, but that's what we all hoped about Brexit. I'd rather just nervously wait and see.

Posted by: Rooney Nov 1 2016, 09:24 PM

QUOTE(Taylor Jago @ Nov 1 2016, 09:04 PM) *
Neville Chamberlain and Édouard Dalladier's strategy was to give in to everything Hitler wanted. That went brilliantly well, didn't it?


Just my opinion. Trump's not stupid, but he sure does love Russia.

Posted by: Andrew. Nov 1 2016, 09:35 PM

I'm not a big fan of either of them tbh but obviously I'd pick Hillary as she has the experience and she's way better than a bigoted, sexist moron like Trump.

I do think she'll win but the thought that a Trump presidency is still possible scares the f*** out of me mellow.gif

Posted by: Chez Wombat Nov 1 2016, 09:41 PM

I'm reasonably confident of Hilary, but I can't be too confident about anything after Brexit, Trump would really be the icing on the cake for a truly tragic year for the world. Can't actually believe it's still a contest between a woman with a political experience who's a bit distrustful is worse than a racist, sexist white supremacist with no political experience that would divide the country but I guess that's the World we live in in 2016~

Posted by: Qassändra Nov 2 2016, 12:09 AM

QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Nov 1 2016, 09:03 PM) *
I'm more worried about America going to war with the Philippines as things stand, to be honest. I've already seen more than a few people describe their President Duterte as the "East Asian Trump", some of the policies he's enacted would make The Donald look like Bambi in comparison (he's authorised the killing of thousands of drug dealers since coming into power mere months ago), and there's rumblings that he's going to dissolve the Defense Co-operation partnership between the two countries. I don't envy being the future President having to deal with him.

Much as I would love to see that complete scumbag shot in front of cameras and dragged through the streets, I can't see anything beyond sanctions happening there given how close they are to China.

Posted by: Kath Nov 2 2016, 12:15 AM

They're both equally loathsome - but I have the feeling that Trump will win.

Posted by: (Zach) Nov 2 2016, 12:36 AM

Clinton better win or I'm out. Fortunately, I don't think Trump stands a chance.

Posted by: Hadji Nov 2 2016, 01:59 AM

Please don't let Trump win

Posted by: Liаm Nov 2 2016, 02:15 AM

It just says it all about 2016 being completely f***ed that we are even debating the possibility that someone like Donald Trump could be president manson.gif

Posted by: Jack Nov 2 2016, 11:48 AM

I actually feel like we're going back in time with Brexit and now the possibility of Trump being in power. Like what has happened to humanity???

I know it's controversial but maybe stupid uneducated people shouldn't be able to vote.

Posted by: Math ☂ Nov 2 2016, 11:57 AM

I hate them both but I think Trump will pull it out.

Posted by: Froot. Nov 2 2016, 12:19 PM

I do agree that Hillary isn't anywhere near as amazing that she's made out to be on here (kind of like how the EU is overpraised on here even though the vote should have certainly been remain) but I don't see how anyone can see Trump as a viable candidate/President.

I'm going in with a pessimistic mind like I did with Brexit though so I can at least try to prepare myself for the shitstorm that would happen and I think Trump will get it.

Posted by: ¡Michael Myers! Nov 2 2016, 01:18 PM

QUOTE(Jack @ Nov 2 2016, 12:48 PM) *
I actually feel like we're going back in time with Brexit and now the possibility of Trump being in power. Like what has happened to humanity???

I know it's controversial but maybe stupid uneducated people shouldn't be able to vote.


I was thinking the same thing recently.

An educated voter who votes against the EU as Te Sun told them they regulate bananas too much has the same voice as someone who hs studied economics extensively and gets his data feom um more reliable sources.

An IQ test and a knowledge test of recent issues wouldn't be unwelcome for me personally right now.

Posted by: Qassändra Nov 2 2016, 01:29 PM

Aaaaand this is how rich right-wingers turn poor people against their own interests and the 'snobbish metropolitan liberal elite'.

(granted, guilty on occasion)

Posted by: burbe Nov 2 2016, 01:31 PM

Saying uneducated people don't get a vote is going back further in time as well. It's a fundamental principle of democracy that everyone should be allowed to vote. The uneducated people are as much affected by what the government decides as educated people, and it's ridiculous to suggest they shouldn't be allowed to purely because they don't hold your opinion.

Posted by: Joe. Nov 2 2016, 01:38 PM

The problem is deeper than "uneducated", anyway, I'd go with unintelligent, rather than uneducated, as you can be without formal education and still know what's the what.

It is things like the mainstream news sources that are the root of so much of the mislead votes, too many of which are too far pointed to the right.

Posted by: gothic_lotita Nov 2 2016, 01:46 PM

Many educated people voted for Brexit and will vote for Trump, completely sucks but that's the way it is. I regularly get completely aggravated by the electorate but the solution isn't restricting or limiting the voting franchise, every vote should count equally, the "sun reader" and the "economics student" should have the same say, as the politics will affect them both as equally! If we're thinking about solutions we should try preventing voter apathy more mellow.gif

Posted by: Taylor Jago Nov 2 2016, 01:53 PM

Well, in a week from now we'll (probably) know who's going to be the most powerful person on Earth for 4 years, so hopefully it will mean the end of this nightmare. Or it will be the beginning.

Posted by: ML Hammer95 Nov 2 2016, 02:28 PM

You may have an opinion, but there's some pretentious stuff being said in this thread.

Posted by: Joe. Nov 2 2016, 02:31 PM

QUOTE(ML Hammer95 @ Nov 2 2016, 02:28 PM) *
You may have an opinion, but there's some pretentious stuff being said in this thread.


Can you elaborate on what you see as pretentious?

Posted by: ML Hammer95 Nov 2 2016, 02:34 PM

QUOTE(Joe. @ Nov 2 2016, 02:31 PM) *
Can you elaborate on what you see as pretentious?


Saying uneducated people shouldn't have the vote, IQ tests etc... it can just as easily be said that idealistic students have one agenda and are all-knowing without any real life experience. But that's equally as wrong as slagging off half the population because they don't agree with you.


Posted by: Doctor Blind Nov 2 2016, 02:35 PM

I expect Hilary Clinton to win (but then I also expected remain to win - I know, not really comparable.. but still)

Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama-Clinton- Jeb in 2020??

Posted by: ML Hammer95 Nov 2 2016, 02:35 PM

QUOTE(gothic_lotita @ Nov 2 2016, 01:46 PM) *
Many educated people voted for Brexit and will vote for Trump, completely sucks but that's the way it is. I regularly get completely aggravated by the electorate but the solution isn't restricting or limiting the voting franchise, every vote should count equally, the "sun reader" and the "economics student" should have the same say, as the politics will affect them both as equally! If we're thinking about solutions we should try preventing voter apathy more mellow.gif


Agree with this.

Posted by: Joe. Nov 2 2016, 02:37 PM

QUOTE(ML Hammer95 @ Nov 2 2016, 02:34 PM) *
Saying uneducated people shouldn't have the vote, IQ tests etc... it can just as easily be said that idealistic students have one agenda and are all-knowing without any real life experience. But that's equally as wrong as slagging off half the population because they don't agree with you.


Oh yes, I do agree there, which is why I said above that there's a big difference between being educated and actually knowing what's going on.

Posted by: burbe Nov 2 2016, 02:48 PM

QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Nov 2 2016, 02:35 PM) *
I expect Hilary Clinton to win (but then I also expected remain to win - I know, not really comparable.. but still)

Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama-Clinton- Jeb in 2020??


and then Michelle Obama?

Posted by: Andrew. Nov 2 2016, 04:10 PM

QUOTE(Jack @ Nov 2 2016, 11:48 AM) *
I actually feel like we're going back in time with Brexit and now the possibility of Trump being in power. Like what has happened to humanity???

I know it's controversial but maybe stupid uneducated people shouldn't be able to vote.

So you think we should stop people from voting if it gets your (and mine) favoured result?

Posted by: Cody Krueger Nov 2 2016, 04:14 PM

Since when did human society turn into a Benjamin Button story

Posted by: ¡Michael Myers! Nov 2 2016, 04:16 PM

QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Nov 2 2016, 02:35 PM) *
I expect Hilary Clinton to win (but then I also expected remain to win - I know, not really comparable.. but still)

Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama-Clinton- Jeb in 2020??


No, Jeb has forever been tarnished by 'low energy' and the 'please clap' vid, which is why Trump tried to use same attack on Hills.

Hmm funny now that the election is closer it isn't rigged anymore rolleyes.gif

Odious man.

Posted by: Soy Adrián Nov 2 2016, 04:21 PM

Just posted this in the News & Politics forum, but this is a great article if you think that the two candidates are even comparable:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/the-real-donald-trump-a-bully-fraud-and-incompetent-who-has-wrecked-countless-lives-a7384421.html

Posted by: 🎃cqmerqn🎃 Nov 2 2016, 04:33 PM

I really hope it is Clinton, but I think it will be Trump.

Posted by: Qassändra Nov 2 2016, 04:46 PM

QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Nov 2 2016, 02:35 PM) *
I expect Hilary Clinton to win (but then I also expected remain to win - I know, not really comparable.. but still)

Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama-Clinton- Jeb in 2020??

Jeb's totally finished. He didn't want to run either way and any hype he ever had is completely cratered.

Posted by: Izzy Dead People Nov 2 2016, 04:52 PM

QUOTE(Qassändra @ Nov 2 2016, 01:29 PM) *
Aaaaand this is how rich right-wingers turn poor people against their own interests and the 'snobbish metropolitan liberal elite'.

(granted, guilty on occasion)


Agreed. I really dislike it when I know people have voted without understanding the implications of what they've voted for, but all we can do is encourage them to understand the importance of politics and get them to learn more about the issue for the future so they do vote from a fully informed position, whatever that may be.

I understand the sentiment, when people say things like 'the unintelligent shouldn't vote', it's a reaction to what's perceived to be society doing its utmost to go in the opposite direction to what is believed to be good for the society in the future (and it is often when some right-wing populist, like now, somehow enraptures large swathes of those decidedly not part of the liberal elite, and probably desperate for a change, any change, with plans to take 'backwards' steps that won't benefit the people who are voting for him except perhaps in the very short-term).

Posted by: Jack Nov 2 2016, 06:25 PM

QUOTE(Andrew. @ Nov 2 2016, 04:10 PM) *
So you think we should stop people from voting if it gets your (and mine) favoured result?

No, and maybe uneducated was the wrong word to use as there are a lot of people who don't go through education who are very intelligent. It's just me being angry and I get people's argument that everyone has the right to vote.

It's just to me, I really can't understand how all of a sudden it feels like we're going back in time almost to a place where racism is being more accepted ...it's just upsetting.

Posted by: Silas Nov 2 2016, 06:37 PM

The main problem here is that the media have been able to get away with peddling outright lies and half truths for decades without penalty. I am supportive of a free press but the press should report the truth and their xenophobic and outright racist lies should come with consequences. Otherwise what the f*** is the point in legislation against hate speech.

Posted by: Jacob Alan Nov 2 2016, 09:22 PM

There is no point in legislating against hate speech, I'd rather know who the racists are and on the whole society shuns them. It just reveals their true character and shows what twats they are rather than have them harbouring and hiding racist views leading to more extreme movements. I'd say this is why the EDL and BNP have faded into obscurity, they had the opportunity to make themselves laughing stocks. That said, newspapers should be fined or something for spreading misinformation absolutely.

As for the candidates neither of them particularly appeal to me but hopefully Hillary will win if only by virtue of not being Trump.

Posted by: Flatcap Nov 2 2016, 09:52 PM

Hillary Clinton. The idea of Trump winning is appalling to me.

Posted by: Harve Nov 3 2016, 10:06 AM

QUOTE(Jacob Alan @ Nov 2 2016, 09:22 PM) *
There is no point in legislating against hate speech, I'd rather know who the racists are and on the whole society shuns them. It just reveals their true character and shows what twats they are rather than have them harbouring and hiding racist views leading to more extreme movements. I'd say this is why the EDL and BNP have faded into obscurity, they had the opportunity to make themselves laughing stocks. That said, newspapers should be fined or something for spreading misinformation absolutely.

As for the candidates neither of them particularly appeal to me but hopefully Hillary will win if only by virtue of not being Trump.

EDL and BNP faded into obscurity because more mainstream-friendly movements like UKIP supplanted them lol. You see the same thing now with the Tories adopting UKIP's manifesto, eating up their voterbase and making proposals that would be unthinkable from a major party a decade ago. It's given UKIP a bit of an identity crisis.

Posted by: Jacob Alan Nov 5 2016, 02:24 PM

That is sadly true to a degree but as loathsome as UKIP is to me there's no way they could reasonably be construed in a way that is as extreme as the BNP and EDL, likewise with the Tories (even now) in comparison to UKIP. UKIP is falling apart now mostly because they achieved their singular goal and they have no idea what to do with themselves. The Tories have always been awful and fickle and now they're just appealing to their voters, they sway with popular opinion among the right wing voter base. It's not an ideal situation in any way it's just better than the alternative. Imagine how much worse it'd have been if it was the BNP that got 3.8M votes last election.

Posted by: LexC Nov 5 2016, 05:22 PM

This is as good a thread as any to put it in but a YouTuber who I'm very much a fan of did this video essay on the history of Hilary Clinton in the media. Certainly puts all the associations people have of her into context of the best part of the last 25 years.


Posted by: Bré Nov 6 2016, 03:04 AM

Have just rediscovered http://www.isidewith.com/ which tests how much you agree with each of the candidates running and decided to take it again lol. I get 97% for Jill Stein (the whole anti-vax thing (as well as her not actually having any chance of winning) is a shame really because she'd be pretty good otherwise), 93% for Hillary, 42% for Gary Johnson and a whopping 13% for Trump. That's slightly higher for Hillary and slightly lower for Trump than I remember from the last time I did this ~

(also allows you to show the dropped out candidates - 95% for Bernie Sanders (R.I.P.), and despite how low that number for Trump is, he's still somehow more agreeable than all of the other Republicans bar Rand Paul who I get 20% for, with John Kasich being the only other one even above 10% :') and it also shows the 2012 candidates, giving me 91% for Obama (surprisingly low) and just 3% for Mitt Romney laugh.gif)

Posted by: Qassändra Nov 6 2016, 08:33 AM

heard a rumour bré prefers donald trump to mitt romney kink.gif

Posted by: Taylor Jago Nov 6 2016, 09:23 AM

My results:

96% Jill Stein
93% Hilary Clinton
42% Gary Johnson
7% Donald Trump

Posted by: ¡Michael Myers! Nov 6 2016, 10:18 AM

Simpatizo con Hillary Clinton an la mayoría de los asuntos de las Elecciones Presidenciales del año 2016.

Los candidatos que apoyas...
Hillary Clinton
88% DEMOCRAT
Hillary Clinton

Jill Stein
87% GREEN

Gary Johnson
68% LIBERTARIAN

Donald Trump
18% REPUBLICAN

And 89% Bernie and 92% for Obama

7% Romney tongue.gif

Posted by: Danvember Nov 6 2016, 11:45 AM

92% Hillary Clinton (Democrat)
83% Jill Stein (Green)
41% Gary Johnson (Libertarian)
15% Donald Trump (Republican)

95% Barack Obama (Democrat 2012)
21% Mitt Romney (Republican 2012)

79% Bernie Sanders

Posted by: Silas Nov 6 2016, 11:46 AM

98% Jill Stein
97% Hilary Clinton
35% Gary Johnson
23% Donald Trump

95% Obama
12% Ron Paul
6% Romney

97% Sanders
62% O'Malley
22% Bush
12% Rand Paul
6% Huckabee
6% Cruz
5% Christie
5% Rubio
4% Carson
3% Fiorina
3% Graham
1% Santorum


In conclusion, I am so not a republican.

Posted by: Danvember Nov 6 2016, 11:47 AM

what's surprising is that there were so many Republican candidates that are apparently even worse than Trump. Some scored as low as 5% for me.

Posted by: Froot. Nov 6 2016, 11:58 AM

95% Hilary Clinton
93% Jill Stein
36% Gary Johnson
25% Donald Trump (oops)

98% Obama wub.gif
21% Ron Paul
6% Romney

89% Sanders
74% O'Malley
22% Bush
11% Cruz

Posted by: princess_lotita Nov 6 2016, 12:22 PM

97% Hillary
95% Jill Stein
94% Bernie Sanders
40% Rand Paul
36% Gary Johnson
8% Trump
8% Ted Cruz

the shift between left and right between the US/UK is still baffling laugh.gif at least this proves identifying as centre right in the UK does not make me a Trump supporter mellow.gif (as has been legitimately asked before)

Posted by: Suedehead2 Nov 6 2016, 12:38 PM

99% Clinton
98% Stein
23% Johnson
5% Trump

Posted by: J▲hq Nov 6 2016, 12:50 PM

96% Hillary
77% Jill Stein
40% Gary Johnson
15% Donald Trump

77% Bernie
57% Martin O'Malley
13% Jeb Bush
9% Ted Cruz

95% Obama
6% Mitt Romney

Posted by: Jade Nov 6 2016, 01:11 PM

99% Hillary Clinton
98% Jill Stein (seems to be a good'un minus anti-vax)
39% Gary Johnson
6% Donald Trump

99% Bernie Sanders

All Repubulicans are below 10% (laugh.gif) except Kasich who was as 'high' as 23%.

Posted by: Jacob Alan Nov 6 2016, 01:57 PM

87% Jill Stein
82% Barack Obama
76% Bernie Sanders
68% Hillary Clinton
47% Gary Johnson
33% Ron Paul
27% Trump (I don't agree with him even this much but multiple choice question quiz, it seems every now and again especially with yes no questions his policy is the same as I picked, broken clock and all that.)
19% Mitt Romney

Posted by: Andrew. Nov 6 2016, 02:10 PM

99% Hillary Clinton
95% Jill Stein
23% Gary Johnson
9% Trump

Bernie was also 95% and the highest republican I got was John Kasich who got 33% (every other republican except for one was under 10% laugh.gif)

Posted by: T Boy Nov 6 2016, 02:17 PM

I got 90% Jill, 86% Hillary, 42% Gary and 4% Trump

Posted by: *Tim Nov 6 2016, 02:24 PM

95% Hilary
45% Jill Stein
21% Gary Johnson
15% Trump

89% Obama
20% Mitt Romney

Posted by: Chez Wombat Nov 6 2016, 02:39 PM

94% Hilary Clinton
91% Jill Stein
46% Gary Johnson
15% Donald Trump (apparently on some social issues oops)

91% Bernie Sanders

92% Barack Obama
5% Mitt Romney (Gawd, I don't remember him being that objectionable?)

Posted by: Jaÿ Nov 6 2016, 02:52 PM

99% Hillary Clinton
96% Jill Stein
42% Gary Johnson
2% Donald Trump

95% Bernie Sanders

99% Barack Obama
18% Ron Paul
1% Mitt Romney

Social - I side with Hillary Clinton, Jill Stein and Gary Johnson
Science - Jill Stein
Foreign Policy - Hillary Clinton, Jill Stein and Gary Johnson
Crime - Hillary Clinton, Jill Stein and Gary Johnson
Domestic Policy - Jill Stein and Hillary Clinton
Education - Hillary Clinton
Healthcare - Hillary Clinton, Jill Stein and Donald Trump
Immigration - Hillary Clinton and Jill Stein
The Economy - Jill Stein and Hillary Clinton
The Environment - Hillary Clinton and Jill Stein


You side moderately towards “Multiculturalism”, meaning you believe we should celebrate and embrace cultural diversity
You side strongly towards “Progressive”, meaning you strongly believe we should be a nation that values personal freedom, expression, and diversity.
You side strongly towards “Pacifism”, meaning you strongly believe we should use non-violent diplomatic discussion to resolve conflicts.
You side moderately towards “Tender”, meaning you believe in showing compassion, empathy, and rehabilitation for small-time criminals or those struggling with addiction.
You side strongly towards “Collectivism”, meaning you strongly believe policy should protect and support the best interests of all citizens.
You side moderately towards “Keynesian”, meaning you believe the government should provide economic assistance to stabilize the economy.
You side strongly towards “Big Government”, meaning you strongly believe the government should do more to address social inequality, corruption, and assistance for its citizens.
You side moderately towards “Regulation”, meaning you believe the government should regulate business activity to ensure no one is taking advantage of the system.
You side extremely towards “Centralization”, meaning you very strongly believe the nation should be unified in its decisions to serve the best interests of all citizens.

Posted by: Ethan Nov 6 2016, 03:05 PM

96% Donald Trump (Republican)
70% Gary Johnson (Libertarian)
29% Jill Stein (Green)
23% Hillary Clinton (Democrat)

77% Mitt Romney (Republican 2012)
76% Ron Paul (Libertarian 2012)
22% Barack Obama (Democrat 2012)

90% Rand Paul
86% Ted Cruz
54% Ben Carson
24% Bernie Sanders

Posted by: PeteFromLeeds Nov 6 2016, 03:06 PM

94% Hillary Clinton
87% Jill Stein
27% Gary Johnson
8% Donald Trump

91% Barack Obama
18% Ron Paul
7% Mitt Romney


Posted by: Cody Slayberry Nov 6 2016, 03:08 PM

Welp I can see Ethan at around the 90's come next year's BuzzRate

Posted by: Silas Nov 6 2016, 03:10 PM

QUOTE(Ethan @ Nov 6 2016, 03:05 PM) *
96% Donald Trump (Republican)
70% Gary Johnson (Libertarian)
29% Jill Stein (Green)
23% Hillary Clinton (Democrat)

77% Mitt Romney (Republican 2012)
76% Ron Paul (Libertarian 2012)
22% Barack Obama (Democrat 2012)

90% Rand Paul
86% Ted Cruz
54% Ben Carson
24% Bernie Sanders

f***ing jesus

Posted by: UltraBasicWitch Nov 6 2016, 03:17 PM

I did this earlier and had Hilary at 96%, Jill at 74% and Donald at 15% of what I can remember.

Posted by: Liаm Nov 6 2016, 03:19 PM

I did this the other day so won't again but I had Hilary and Jill at around 95% and something like 14% for Trump.

Posted by: Suedehead2 Nov 6 2016, 03:36 PM

QUOTE(Ethan @ Nov 6 2016, 03:05 PM) *
96% Donald Trump (Republican)

Given how frequently he contradicts himself, I doubt even Trump himself would get that high a score laugh.gif

Posted by: Iz~ Nov 6 2016, 03:49 PM

97% Hillary Clinton
94% Jill Stein
23% Gary Johnson
3% Donald Trump

94% Bernie Sanders
98% Barack Obama
2% Mitt Romney
24% Jeb Bush (highest of the Republican lot this time)

I did not quite expect Hillary to come out higher than Bernie but I have always been a big Obama fan so that's understandable. But yes... no contest. Most of the numerous Republicans were in the single figures.

Posted by: ¡Michael Myers! Nov 6 2016, 03:52 PM

QUOTE(Ethan @ Nov 6 2016, 04:05 PM) *
96% Donald Trump (Republican)
70% Gary Johnson (Libertarian)
29% Jill Stein (Green)
23% Hillary Clinton (Democrat)

77% Mitt Romney (Republican 2012)
76% Ron Paul (Libertarian 2012)
22% Barack Obama (Democrat 2012)

90% Rand Paul
86% Ted Cruz
54% Ben Carson
24% Bernie Sanders


QUE QUE QUEEE??

You ok?! ohmy.gif

Posted by: Mattias Nov 6 2016, 03:59 PM

I'm not the most confidently opinionated when it comes to politics so the quiz was a challenge in places, but not as hard as I was fearing

91% Hillary Clinton
79% Jill Stein
47% Gary Johnson
5% Donald Trump

88% Barack Obama
3% Mitt Romney

Posted by: spun. Nov 6 2016, 04:15 PM

I'm not a politics person but I love a quiz etc. kink.gif

88% Jill Stein on immigration, foreign policy, healthcare, domestic policy, economic, social, and electoral issues

87% Hillary Clinton on domestic policy, education, foreign policy, healthcare, immigration, social, economic, and electoral issues

52% Gary Johnson on science, healthcare, foreign policy, social, and electoral issues

8% Donald Trump

Even the (very few) things I agree with Trump aren't fully agreed on when looking on the detailed comparisons part of the site.

Posted by: Bré Nov 6 2016, 05:26 PM

QUOTE(Qassändra @ Nov 6 2016, 08:33 AM) *
heard a rumour bré prefers donald trump to mitt romney kink.gif


Donald Trump has more things that he's right about, but also more things that he's dangerously wrong about. Although he's held both opposing views on almost every issue imaginable so really WHO KNOWS. Let's just go with no Republican is ever a good choice. xo

Posted by: Common Sense Nov 6 2016, 05:29 PM

What I don't get is why in America is it legal to reveal how many people have already voted in some states, like Nevada for instance, and that such and such a percentage voted Clinton. No figures should be released whatsoever until all polls have closed. Some people may think it's no use bothering to go out and vote if she's far ahead.

Posted by: Bré Nov 6 2016, 05:38 PM

Technically the figures revealed are what percentage of voters are registered to each party. There are always people who are registered Democrats but vote Republican and vice versa. (not many, but some)

Posted by: Snake In The Sno Nov 6 2016, 05:40 PM

QUOTE(Ethan @ Nov 6 2016, 03:05 PM) *
96% Donald Trump (Republican)
70% Gary Johnson (Libertarian)
29% Jill Stein (Green)
23% Hillary Clinton (Democrat)

77% Mitt Romney (Republican 2012)
76% Ron Paul (Libertarian 2012)
22% Barack Obama (Democrat 2012)

90% Rand Paul
86% Ted Cruz
54% Ben Carson
24% Bernie Sanders


Haha would common sense beat that 96% for Trump?

Posted by: mr_pmt Nov 6 2016, 05:45 PM

97% Jill Stein
95% Hillary Clinton
43% Gary Johnson (Legitimately have no idea who he even is)
9% Donald Trump

Posted by: Doctor Blind Nov 6 2016, 05:50 PM

QUOTE(mr_pmt @ Nov 6 2016, 05:45 PM) *
43% Gary Johnson (Legitimately have no idea who he even is)



Posted by: Qassändra Nov 6 2016, 05:56 PM

QUOTE(Ethan @ Nov 6 2016, 03:05 PM) *
96% Donald Trump (Republican)

god as if i ever got hate for calling you out as a fascist arsehole

Posted by: Toby G Nov 6 2016, 06:02 PM

QUOTE(*Tim @ Nov 1 2016, 09:03 AM) *
You need Jesus

He needs a f***ing brain.

Posted by: Snake In The Sno Nov 6 2016, 06:07 PM

71% Jill Stein
69% Hillary Clinton
25% Donald Trump
20% Gary Johnson

Posted by: Common Sense Nov 6 2016, 06:23 PM

QUOTE(Bré @ Nov 6 2016, 05:38 PM) *
Technically the figures revealed are what percentage of voters are registered to each party. There are always people who are registered Democrats but vote Republican and vice versa. (not many, but some)


Oh so they're not actual figures of who has voted for whom? I see, thanks.

Posted by: Suedehead2 Nov 6 2016, 06:33 PM

QUOTE(Common Sense @ Nov 6 2016, 06:23 PM) *
Oh so they're not actual figures of who has voted for whom? I see, thanks.

It has always seemed odd to me (looking at it from a purely British perspective) that states can declare their result as soon as the polls close. That, of course, means that eastern states can declare while people in western states are still voting. There is a polling station somewhere that opens at midnight and closes as soon as everybody has voted. As the number of people registered for that polling station is extremely low, it closes before most polling stations have opened but can declare a result.

Posted by: Math ☂ Nov 6 2016, 06:44 PM

Sad that people can't peacefully disagree instead of insulting people for their political opinions drama.gif

Posted by: mr_pmt Nov 6 2016, 06:50 PM

QUOTE(Math ☂ @ Nov 6 2016, 06:44 PM) *
Sad that people can't peacefully disagree instead of insulting people for their political opinions drama.gif


Well he's not exactly wrong.

Posted by: Math ☂ Nov 6 2016, 06:52 PM

My results:
72% Jill Stein
63% Gary Johnson
56% Donald Trump
53% Hillary Clinton

Posted by: Cucumberella Nov 6 2016, 06:53 PM

i'm confused to how you even got those figures math LOL!! that's a mixed bag if i ever saw it

mine is typically 98% hilary 80% jill ??% some bitch and 8% trump

Posted by: princess_lotita Nov 6 2016, 06:54 PM

QUOTE(Math ☂ @ Nov 6 2016, 06:44 PM) *
Sad that people can't peacefully disagree instead of insulting people for their political opinions drama.gif


When people's political opinions are homophobic, sexist, racist and so on I think we can start to move past the peaceful stage

Posted by: Houdini Nov 6 2016, 07:03 PM

My results:
77% Jill Stein
65% Hillary Clinton
49% Gary Johnson
27% Donald Trump

At least Hillary was higher than Donald in my quiz.

Posted by: Jack Nov 6 2016, 07:05 PM

QUOTE(princess_lotita @ Nov 6 2016, 06:54 PM) *
When people's political opinions are homophobic, sexist, racist and so on I think we can start to move past the peaceful stage

I agree. Let's stop with the PC bullshit.

Posted by: T Boy Nov 6 2016, 07:08 PM

Liking dance music does not make up for sharing the same views as Trump.

Posted by: Silas Nov 6 2016, 07:22 PM

A vote for Trump is a vote for White Supremacy. That's not opinion, it's a cold hard solid fact.

Tolerating facist white supremacist views is not ok. You should speak out against it. It's how we avoid a repeat of Hitler, Stalin, Mugabe et al

Posted by: Qassändra Nov 6 2016, 07:29 PM

QUOTE(Math ☂ @ Nov 6 2016, 06:44 PM) *
Sad that people can't peacefully disagree instead of insulting people for their political opinions drama.gif

Trump's entire world philosophy is half a step away from not 'peacefully disagreeing'. If your issue here is the way I phrased it rather than his opinions in the first place, you probably need to check your priorities.

"oh it's such a shame you have to be so insulting about mr hitler!!!!"

I mean last summer I got dragged like hell because people thought I was being unfair in bringing up something that showed Ethan was fash as fuck from 5 years ago and hammering him on it when he kept hedging on whether he still believed it or whether it was all 'a joke', but you don't get 96 percent agreement with a scumbag like Donald Trump without being a racist, full stop.

Posted by: Mack Nov 6 2016, 07:34 PM

Hoping that is Clinton.

Posted by: Snake In The Sno Nov 6 2016, 07:39 PM

QUOTE(Qassändra @ Nov 6 2016, 07:29 PM) *
Trump's entire world philosophy is half a step away from not 'peacefully disagreeing'. If your issue here is the way I phrased it rather than his opinions in the first place, you probably need to check your priorities.

"oh it's such a shame you have to be so insulting about mr hitler!!!!"

I mean last summer I got dragged like hell because people thought I was being unfair in bringing up something that showed Ethan was fash as fuck from 5 years ago and hammering him on it when he kept hedging on whether he still believed it or whether it was all 'a joke', but you don't get 96 percent agreement with a scumbag like Donald Trump without being a racist, full stop.


It would be interesting to see Common Sense or vidcapper's results for the survey to see if they are 96% or above.....

Have you contemplated it could be a mistyped post from Ethan and he wrote Hillary and Trump's names in the wrong places laugh.gif

What was it from 5 years ago btw?

Posted by: T Boy Nov 6 2016, 07:46 PM

Mistyped? Ethan? Not a chance.

Posted by: Snake In The Sno Nov 6 2016, 07:53 PM

QUOTE(T Boy @ Nov 6 2016, 07:46 PM) *
Mistyped? Ethan? Not a chance.


I thought he would disagree with fracking in favour of the more environmentally friendly ethanol production. Maybe that is the one question which meant he was not 100% Trump laugh.gif

In all seriousness the results are surprising with Ethan as he hasn't really posted supporting Trump (unlike Common Sense).

Posted by: Taylor Jago Nov 6 2016, 07:56 PM

On Tuesday, Americans will choose whether they want to go forward in achieving equality for women, blacks and gays, or whether they want to go back to an age where those groups were denied the most basic of rights.

Plus, Mike Pence, while not as bad as Trump, has still done some pretty terrible stuff as governor of Indiana. Like the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (an act which basically allows companies to discriminate against LGBT individuals), and his stance on abortion, specificially HB 1337, which he signed into law. http://lawstreetmedia.com/blogs/law/indiana-pass-ultra-restrictive-abortion-law/

Posted by: 🎄cqmerqn🎄 Nov 6 2016, 09:12 PM

Trump is going to win by a landslide, unfortunately..

People are too afraid to admit that they're going to vote Trump because of the stigma behind it. In an ideal world though, Hillary will win.

Posted by: burbe Nov 6 2016, 10:03 PM

Bit late but posting anyway:

97% Hillary Clinton
[89% Bernie Sanders]
88% Jill Stein
39% Gary Johnson
14% Donald Trump (on health care and electoral issues apparently)

Posted by: Common Sense Nov 6 2016, 10:18 PM

QUOTE(Snake In The Sno @ Nov 6 2016, 07:39 PM) *
It would be interesting to see Common Sense or vidcapper's results for the survey to see if they are 96% or above.....



Okay I answered as honestly as I could and got Trump - 83%, Clinton - 33%, Gary Johnson and Jill Stein, both 22%.

Posted by: Bré Nov 6 2016, 10:23 PM

QUOTE(Taylor Jago @ Nov 6 2016, 07:56 PM) *
Plus, Mike Pence, while not as bad as Trump, has still done some pretty terrible stuff as governor of Indiana. Like the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (an act which basically allows companies to discriminate against LGBT individuals), and his stance on abortion, specificially HB 1337, which he signed into law. http://lawstreetmedia.com/blogs/law/indiana-pass-ultra-restrictive-abortion-law/


I think it's debatable that Mike Pence is 'not as bad as Trump' tbh. He's pretty much single-handedly responsible for an HIV outbreak in his state (or at least the severity of it). Alongside Ted Cruz he's the epitome of the worst things about the Republican party.

Posted by: Snake In The Sno Nov 6 2016, 10:33 PM

QUOTE(Common Sense @ Nov 6 2016, 10:18 PM) *
Okay I answered as honestly as I could and got Trump - 83%, Clinton - 33%, Gary Johnson and Jill Stein, both 22%.


Haha not as much as Ethan. laugh.gif

Posted by: Danvember Nov 6 2016, 10:35 PM

QUOTE(Snake In The Sno @ Nov 6 2016, 07:53 PM) *
I thought he would disagree with fracking in favour of the more environmentally friendly ethanol production. Maybe that is the one question which meant he was not 100% Trump laugh.gif

In all seriousness the results are surprising with Ethan as he hasn't really posted supporting Trump (unlike Common Sense).

He has made his Trump support clear a few times in the US Election thread in the news and politics forum.

Posted by: Snake In The Sno Nov 6 2016, 10:36 PM

QUOTE(Bré @ Nov 6 2016, 10:23 PM) *
I think it's debatable that Mike Pence is 'not as bad as Trump' tbh. He's pretty much single-handedly responsible for an HIV outbreak in his state (or at least the severity of it). Alongside Ted Cruz he's the epitome of the worst things about the Republican party.


Isn't Ted Cruz supposed to be the most extreme right wing of the Republicans, there was a whole thing about him making Trump seem moderate.

Posted by: Doctor Blind Nov 6 2016, 10:40 PM

99% Hillary Clinton
98% Jill Stein
27% Gary ‘Horse shit’ Johnson
2% Donald Trump

100% Barack Obama
98% Bernie Sanders
1% Marco Rubio
1% Mitt Romney
0% Scott Walker

Your political beliefs would be considered strongly Left-Wing

Shut the front door!

Posted by: Bré Nov 6 2016, 10:45 PM

QUOTE(Snake In The Sno @ Nov 6 2016, 10:36 PM) *
Isn't Ted Cruz supposed to be the most extreme right wing of the Republicans, there was a whole thing about him making Trump seem moderate.


Pretty much! Ted Cruz is just Donald Trump but with more theocracy and an even more punchable face.

Posted by: Sarah Nov 6 2016, 10:48 PM

Hopefully Hillary will win!!

Posted by: Ethan Nov 6 2016, 10:53 PM

QUOTE(Math ☂ @ Nov 6 2016, 06:44 PM) *
Sad that people can't peacefully disagree instead of insulting people for their political opinions drama.gif


True.

Only regressive left-wingers want to misuse terms like ‘racist’, ‘sexist’, etc., to shut down and silence people - be they white or not - because they lack the mental facilities to present a coherent counter-argument. When the mentally enfeebled reduce these terms to childish playground insults and throw them around in hysterical hyperbole, as per this thread, they completely invalidate the phrases, which is extremely dangerous and amoral. Frankly it’s laughable, but I fear it’s part of a darker subtext given the persistence of the overt harassment from certain individuals on this board.

Posted by: princess_lotita Nov 6 2016, 10:53 PM

you can't really call me a regressive left-winger tho

Posted by: princess_lotita Nov 6 2016, 10:54 PM

anyone who supports a candidate who is openly homophobic, racist and sexist in my eyes is supporting those morals (or lack of)

Posted by: Soy Adrián Nov 6 2016, 10:58 PM

97% Sanders
97% Clinton
97% Stein
88% O'Malley
31% Johnson
20% Paul
19% Chafee
12% Kasich
10% Jeb!
8% Trump
6% Christie
3% Cruz
1% Graham
0% Rubio (lol)

Posted by: Jack Nov 6 2016, 10:59 PM

Calling us mentally enfeebled to try and make yourself sound smart and entitled?? Hmm ok.

You share the same opinions of a racist and sexist scum bag who's principles are based on both racism and sexism???

Posted by: Snake In The Sno Nov 6 2016, 10:59 PM

QUOTE(Danvember @ Nov 6 2016, 10:35 PM) *
He has made his Trump support clear a few times in the US Election thread in the news and politics forum.


Oh well 83% Trump for Common Sense and 96% for Ethan is quite surprising considering CS is more of a vocal supporter.

My own opinion, I do think the economic stuff with Trump does make sense (there needs to be regeneration of the places he mentions like all the former industrual areas).

The whole thing with the Mexico wall and the not letting Muslims into the country is divisive and negative though and he should have steered well clear of this.

His opposition to gay marriage is backward looking and his reluctance to oppose gun control laws, which are clearly needed is disappointing. And of course the language in the 2005 tapes was disgusting, although it is similar language as used in the equally sexist and misogynist and loathsome Broccoli song so Trump is not wholly responsible for sexism in America but he is the one running for president so he has more power.

A Trump presidency is dangerous I believe because of the divisiveness it would create amongst the nation. Hillary has more experience, and while I don't like her much as she is a part of the 'establishment', if I was an American I would vote for her for increased stability through experience and also hopefully an improvement in gun control laws.

I would have been a Bernie Sanders supporter originally, as he was most left wing and NOT part of the establishment.

Posted by: Andrew. Nov 6 2016, 10:59 PM

QUOTE(Ethan @ Nov 6 2016, 10:53 PM) *
Only regressive left-wingers want to misuse terms like ‘racist’, ‘sexist’, etc., to shut down and silence people - be they white or not - because they lack the mental facilities to present a coherent counter-argument.


Omg people don't use these terms to shut down and silence people (as tempting as that may be with people like you), they use them because they're TRUE. Trump is racist and sexist (add 'c***' to that list) and if you agree with his ideas then you are too.

Posted by: Jack Nov 6 2016, 10:59 PM

QUOTE(princess_lotita @ Nov 6 2016, 10:54 PM) *
anyone who supports a candidate who is openly homophobic, racist and sexist in my eyes is supporting those morals (or lack of)

This is pretty much what I meant! Haha

Posted by: princess_lotita Nov 6 2016, 11:00 PM

talking of "lack of mental facilities" why on EARTH do you support donald trump

Posted by: Silas Nov 6 2016, 11:05 PM

Ah yes. When cornered and being called out on your support for a racist, homophobic, sexist white supremacist; break out the thesaurus!

Posted by: Snake In The Sno Nov 6 2016, 11:15 PM

Is it just me or are the lyrics to Broccoli just as demeaning and offensively sexist as the Trump tapes.

It just seems that whether in a far reaching popular music song or by a presidential candidate in America it is OK to use such disgusting sexist language.

It is important to know that not only Trump supporters but everyone who bought the Broccoli track condones sexism in a way.

Posted by: Ethan Nov 6 2016, 11:16 PM

QUOTE(Silas @ Nov 6 2016, 11:05 PM) *
Ah yes. When cornered and being called out on your support for a racist, homophobic, sexist white supremacist; break out the thesaurus!


I don't support Hillary... She routinely racially abuses staff in her employ and labelled young black men as 'super predators'; was publicly against gay marriage until 8 years ago and privately still is; is funded by the repressive governments of Saudi Arabia and Qatar; was a member of the Arkansas Dixie Mafia & KKK in the 80s... Pray tell how EXACTLY you presume to occupy the high ground?

Posted by: Doctor Blind Nov 6 2016, 11:17 PM

QUOTE(Snake In The Sno @ Nov 6 2016, 10:59 PM) *
My own opinion, I do think the economic stuff with Trump does make sense (there needs to be regeneration of the places he mentions like all the former industrual areas).


To be fair, parts of his economic policy are pretty much the only thing I can sort of agree with him on. He wants to bring those earning <$29,000 out of tax completely (that is £23.5K in the UK)! Plus the whole borrowing now and investing whilst borrowing remains cheap in order to grow the economy is very McDonnell/Corbynomics.

Posted by: Snake In The Sno Nov 6 2016, 11:21 PM

QUOTE(Ethan @ Nov 6 2016, 11:16 PM) *
I don't support Hillary... She routinely racially abuses staff in her employ and labelled young black men as 'super predators'; was publicly against gay marriage until 8 years ago and privately still is; is funded by the repressive governments of Saudi Arabia and Qatar; was a member of the Arkansas Dixie Mafia & KKK in the 80s... Pray tell how EXACTLY you presume to occupy the high ground?


Ethan, if you were in America would you vote for the candidate who is so divisive that it would make it likely there were riots in the country if he won?

Posted by: Bré Nov 6 2016, 11:22 PM

In fairness, both of them are divisive. There'll probably be some level of unrest regardless of who wins.

Posted by: Danvember Nov 6 2016, 11:26 PM

and they're the two most disliked presidential candidates in recent history so either way a large group of people will be angry at the result.

Posted by: Snake In The Sno Nov 6 2016, 11:30 PM

QUOTE(Bré @ Nov 6 2016, 11:22 PM) *
In fairness, both of them are divisive. There'll probably be some level of unrest regardless of who wins.


Everyone said there would be unrest by Republican racist elements when Obama won in 2008. Fortunately there wasn't.

Unrest would be much less under Hillary and also she has the experience to deal with it unlike Trump who would make it worse by a misjudged comment.

Posted by: Umi Nov 6 2016, 11:37 PM

QUOTE(princess_lotita @ Nov 6 2016, 10:54 PM) *
anyone who supports a candidate who is openly homophobic, racist and sexist in my eyes is supporting those morals (or lack of)

Thank you. The amount of Trump supporters who will say they're not X but they support Trump because they agree with his economic policies... If you desire a bigot being elected, even if their bigotry is not the reason you want that, what exactly are you saying? "I'm OK with every minority under the sun suffering because he says his economic policies will help poor white people"? If that's your line of thought then you're not much better than Trump if you ask me.

There's no excuses with supporting him. Either you want minorities to suffer or you're willing to let them suffer for a chance at personal gain. Both are gross.

Posted by: Snake In The Sno Nov 6 2016, 11:40 PM

QUOTE(Danvember @ Nov 6 2016, 11:26 PM) *
and they're the two most disliked presidential candidates in recent history so either way a large group of people will be angry at the result.


Bernie Sanders and Ted Cruz were also two of the most divisive party candidates (one being a socialist -which lots of Americans don't like) and the other being an even more right wing candidate than Trump.

And what Lotti was saying earlier - I think Democrats (apart from Sanders) are similar to UK Remain supporting Conservatives whereas Republicans are like UKIP. Both right wing but by different degrees.

Posted by: Qassändra Nov 6 2016, 11:40 PM

QUOTE(Ethan @ Nov 6 2016, 10:53 PM) *
True.

Only regressive left-wingers want to misuse terms like ‘racist’, ‘sexist’, etc., to shut down and silence people - be they white or not - because they lack the mental facilities to present a coherent counter-argument. When the mentally enfeebled reduce these terms to childish playground insults and throw them around in hysterical hyperbole, as per this thread, they completely invalidate the phrases, which is extremely dangerous and amoral. Frankly it’s laughable, but I fear it’s part of a darker subtext given the persistence of the overt harassment from certain individuals on this board.

The term 'racist' literally means nothing if it doesn't apply to a man who has said a judge's Latino heritage makes him incapable of judging him, or a man who would ban 1.4 billion people from entering the USA on the basis of their being Islamic. The word 'sexist' literally means nothing if it doesn't apply to a man who boasts about being able to sexually assault women at will because he is a powerful and wealthy man. For someone so fond of big words, you seem to struggle with the meanings of small ones. Let alone bigger ones, such as invalidation.

For a correct example of how to use the word 'invalidation', you prove that you are a racist and a sexist through your casual invalidation of the testimony of millions of people of colour and women who are terrified of Trump's election, because they take the man at his word. So you can take your "darker subtext" polysyllabic ramblings and shove them up your white supremacist arse, you absolute fucking jebend.

Posted by: Snake In The Sno Nov 6 2016, 11:46 PM

QUOTE(Umi @ Nov 6 2016, 11:37 PM) *
Thank you. The amount of Trump supporters who will say they're not X but they support Trump because they agree with his economic policies... If you desire a bigot being elected, even if their bigotry is not the reason you want that, what exactly are you saying? "I'm OK with every minority under the sun suffering because he says his economic policies will help poor white people"? If that's your line of thought then you're not much better than Trump if you ask me.

There's no excuses with supporting him. Either you want minorities to suffer or you're willing to let them suffer for a chance at personal gain. Both are gross.


To be far I don't think.he is racist against all minority groups but definitely Mexicans and Muslims he is. I know in the past there was a case of him discriminating against African Americans in a housing scheme in the 70s which he didn't apologise for as far as I am aware so this is obviously is wrong.

Posted by: Qassändra Nov 6 2016, 11:47 PM

QUOTE(Snake In The Sno @ Nov 6 2016, 11:46 PM) *
To be far I don't think.he is racist against all minority groups but definitely Mexicans and Muslims he is.

Oh COME ON

Posted by: princess_lotita Nov 6 2016, 11:48 PM

REALLY

Posted by: Umi Nov 6 2016, 11:50 PM

QUOTE(Snake In The Sno @ Nov 6 2016, 11:46 PM) *
To be far I don't think.he is racist against all minority groups but definitely Mexicans and Muslims he is. I know in the past there was a case of him discriminating against African Americans in a housing scheme in the 70s which he didn't apologise for as far as I am aware so this is obviously is wrong.

If you can find any evidence that he doesn't respect straight white men above all other groups then I will agree with you. As it is he's a symbol of every type of prejudice you can name.

Posted by: Snake In The Sno Nov 7 2016, 12:03 AM

QUOTE(Umi @ Nov 6 2016, 11:50 PM) *
If you can find any evidence that he doesn't respect straight white men above all other groups then I will agree with you. As it is he's a symbol of every type of prejudice you can name.


As I said his failure to apologise for the case in the 70s involving discrimination against African Americans in a housing scheme is despicible and is racist.

Despite this his polls seen to be higher with African Americans than Romneys according to a Google seach which is weird.

I dont think any US presidential candidate or indeed many politicians truly respects any type of voters, they just see their vote as a way to power.

Posted by: Snake In The Sno Nov 7 2016, 12:22 AM

QUOTE(Umi @ Nov 6 2016, 11:50 PM) *
If you can find any evidence that he doesn't respect straight white men above all other groups then I will agree with you. As it is he's a symbol of every type of prejudice you can name.


Sorry wasn't really aware of what he said about African Americans. Just read this and he is racist towards them.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_56e0729fe4b065e2e3d47e82

It seems you are right about straight white men being the only ones he hasn't had a discriminatory comment towards.

He hasn't said anything racist towards Native Anericans, has he though *checks*

Posted by: Joe. Nov 7 2016, 10:10 AM

I'm pages behind, but here are my results...

100% Hillary Clinton
100% Barack Obama
98% Bernie Sanders
97% Jill Stein
40% Gary Johnson
3% Donald Trump
0% Mitt Romney

Posted by: Houdini Nov 7 2016, 12:44 PM

Is there anyone here who lives in America? what is the atmosphere like there at the moment?

Even though I don't live in America I'm still excited for tomorrow's election!


Posted by: Snake In The Sno Nov 7 2016, 02:34 PM

QUOTE(Danvember @ Nov 6 2016, 10:35 PM) *
He has made his Trump support clear a few times in the US Election thread in the news and politics forum.


Was Ethan also pro-Brexit?

Posted by: Oliver Nov 7 2016, 02:45 PM

QUOTE(Snake In The Sno @ Nov 7 2016, 02:34 PM) *
Was Ethan also pro-Brexit?


Do you even need to ask? laugh.gif

Posted by: Snake In The Sno Nov 7 2016, 02:53 PM

QUOTE(Oliver @ Nov 7 2016, 02:45 PM) *
Do you even need to ask? laugh.gif


I thought only Common Sense and vidcapper had pro-Brexit posts.... ohmy.gif

Posted by: JSG Nov 7 2016, 05:08 PM


85% IHillary Clinton
77% Bernie Sanders
63% Jill Stein
45% Martin O'Malley
17% Donald Trump

Posted by: Cody Slayberry Nov 7 2016, 08:25 PM

QUOTE(Houdini @ Nov 7 2016, 04:44 AM) *
Is there anyone here who lives in America? what is the atmosphere like there at the moment?

Even though I don't live in America I'm still excited for tomorrow's election!
I voted last night and I'm honestly TERRIFIED of how this election is going to go. Regardless of who gets elected, there are going to be at least 45% of Americans who are not gonna be happy with the result. However, in an ideal world, I'd rather be divided based on party affiliation than by the color of my skin. Or age. Or sexual orientation. Or not having a society to help because we'd all be dead since a sociopathic madman used the nuclear codes because Bart Baker decided to parody him on one of his videos.

Posted by: Riser Nov 8 2016, 06:54 AM

QUOTE(Houdini @ Nov 7 2016, 07:44 AM) *
Is there anyone here who lives in America? what is the atmosphere like there at the moment?

Even though I don't live in America I'm still excited for tomorrow's election!
To paraphrase Chris Hayes, it's like our country's about to take a life-threatening surgery. I would imagine it's similar to how you all felt on the day of the EU referendum.

Posted by: Silas Nov 8 2016, 08:58 AM

If it's how we felt on EURef day I recommend alcoholism. It'll be the only way you can tolerate what your country becomes after the masses f*** up the vote and your stuck with the white supremacist

Posted by: ML Hammer95 Nov 8 2016, 09:09 AM

I think Clinton will win no problem. Whether that quells the unquestionable discontent for many Americans remains to be seen...

Posted by: Jade Nov 8 2016, 01:09 PM

I want to stay up and follow this tonight but probably best not to as I'm really bad at running on little sleep.

C'mon USA do the right thing and don't let me wake up to a Trump victory drama.gif

Posted by: Houdini Nov 8 2016, 03:38 PM

I think it's about 9 AM UK time tomorrow when the final result will be announced then we'll know who will replace Obama in the white house.

CNN will be my favourite TV channel tonight!

Posted by: Oliver Nov 8 2016, 03:45 PM

The past three elections have been called around 4am GMT.

Posted by: Taylor Jago Nov 8 2016, 05:24 PM

I expect that when I wake up tomorrow at 6:10am (remember I live in France so that's 5:10GMT) the result will be pretty much certain. Until then, all that's left to do is to hope that the result will be a Clinton victory.

Posted by: mr_pmt Nov 8 2016, 05:44 PM

Come on Hillers!

Posted by: ¡Michael Myers! Nov 8 2016, 06:03 PM

Hillaryyyy wub.gif

Posted by: mr_pmt Nov 8 2016, 06:32 PM

Saw this on Twitter today which applies to what a couple of people have said in this thread:

"Supporting Trump because you don't like Hillary Clinton is like fireboming your entire street because you don't like your new iamspamspamami

*edit - f*** sake, the room you cook in

Posted by: Jack Nov 8 2016, 08:05 PM

QUOTE(mr_pmt @ Nov 8 2016, 06:32 PM) *
Saw this on Twitter today which applies to what a couple of people have said in this thread:

"Supporting Trump because you don't like Hillary Clinton is like fireboming your entire street because you don't like your new iamspamspamamiquot;

THIS! Entirely this!

People are focusing SO hard on what Clinton has done wrong to ignore the fact that Trump is one of the worst people of all time.

Posted by: Silas Nov 8 2016, 08:17 PM

Just had an apple support session and the dude ended it with "have a nice week" and I was like "you too! Assuming the american's don't start the end of the world tonight"

Response was "hopefully we do not"


Apple's with her folks!

Posted by: Kath Nov 9 2016, 07:39 AM

Well 16 of us were right ... unfortunately!

Posted by: JSG Nov 9 2016, 07:46 AM

f***ing bullshit!

Posted by: T Boy Nov 9 2016, 08:31 AM

We are truly a doomed race. RIP humans.

Posted by: Mack Nov 9 2016, 08:35 AM

What have America done? The world is doomed.


Posted by: Jack Nov 9 2016, 08:36 AM

*kills self*

Posted by: HarryEzra Nov 9 2016, 09:44 AM

Please tell me 2016 is all a dream nono.gif

Posted by: *Tim Nov 9 2016, 09:55 AM

Embarassing

(Hilarious how the Canadian immigration website crashed righr after the results tho lmaoo)

Posted by: Jacob Alan Nov 9 2016, 11:36 AM

Well this is a bit shit.

Posted by: spun. Nov 9 2016, 11:40 AM

I guess this proves it's not just the majority of the UK that doesn't give 2 shits but it's the US as well smile.gif

Posted by: Cody Slayberry Nov 9 2016, 12:24 PM

First time I voted (and I voted for an actual candidate) and the world goes to shit.

Posted by: Houdini Nov 9 2016, 12:44 PM

Is there a way of closing the poll without closing the thread at the same time?

I cant believe that wanker is going to be president sad.gif

Posted by: Silas Nov 9 2016, 01:07 PM

Not that I am aware of sad.gif

Posted by: Houdini Nov 9 2016, 01:20 PM

Ok then

Final result: Donald Trump 16 votes

Hillary Clinton 60 votes

Posted by: Jade Nov 9 2016, 02:30 PM

QUOTE(Jade @ Nov 8 2016, 01:09 PM) *
I want to stay up and follow this tonight but probably best not to as I'm really bad at running on little sleep.

C'mon USA do the right thing and don't let me wake up to a Trump victory drama.gif

Well... this actually happened then didn't it mellow.gif Went to bed feeling somewhat positive that it would be Hillary. Safe to say I did a double take when waking up to the BBC News notifications this morning. What a horrible outcome.

Posted by: Iz~ Nov 9 2016, 02:55 PM

Have closed the poll, that might be just a GM thing but I can do it.

Ever since I've come of voting age, most elections have gone to shit (not that I could vote here but this is kind of aimed at Cody). I guess this of all of them must be the tipping point. But then if we believe that we'll just get caught off guard by the next one.

Posted by: Joe. Nov 9 2016, 03:02 PM

QUOTE(Iz~ @ Nov 9 2016, 02:55 PM) *
Have closed the poll, that might be just a GM thing but I can do it.

Ever since I've come of voting age, most elections have gone to shit (not that I could vote here but this is kind of aimed at Cody). I guess this of all of them must be the tipping point. But then if we believe that we'll just get caught off guard by the next one.


Same, Issac. (apart from some council ones and the mayoral one) The first general election I ever voted in was when Cameron was first elected (which I didn't want). It was brilliant witnessing Obama come into power both times though.

Posted by: Mart!n Nov 9 2016, 03:14 PM

Poor America... Donald Duck could have done a better job.

Posted by: Cody Slayberry Nov 9 2016, 03:28 PM

Is this what goes on in BuzzJack during election periods? Every poster feeling like they weren't represented?

Hands up American posters if you're feeling this way.

Hell I guess now that it's okay to bully people... Bring on those low jabs at my obsessions/anxiety problems/whatever else you have of me GRANT.

Posted by: T Boy Nov 9 2016, 06:42 PM

QUOTE(Cody Slayberry @ Nov 9 2016, 12:24 PM) *
First time I voted (and I voted for an actual candidate) and the world goes to shit.


I've done 2 general elections and an EU referendum, none of which have gone my way.

Posted by: Doctor Blind Nov 9 2016, 07:18 PM

In every election my Dad has voted he has never voted for the winner (always lived in staunchly Conservative constituencies and mostly votes Labour), he was adamant that he would be on the winning side in the EU referendum (remain... or so he thought) and even the pointless and pitifully low turnout Police and Crime Commissioner elections he lost out when the person he voted for had initially won by 0.06% but on the second preference votes lost out.

Democracy is depressing sometimes.

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