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vidcapper View member profile	1st August 2016, 06:20 AM Post #1
Paul Hyett Joined: 4 April 2006 Posts: 25,346 User: 364	How do you rate Drake's 15 week run at #1 against the other above-named artists? I dare say it'll be no surprise that I don't give him as much credit. My main basis for that, is that, unlike the other two, Drake did not have to attract large numbers of new buyers every week - instead relying mostly on the same people propping up the song week after week. On that basis, we have no way of knowing how many people like the Drake song, compared to BA or WWW. Something like 2/3rds of Drake's total has come from streaming, and while it's possible that more people have streamed it at least once, than bought either BA or WWW's songs, again there's no way of telling if those who streamed it just a few times would have bought it if streaming had not been an option.


Bjork View member profile	1st August 2016, 06:53 AM Post #2
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 November 2015 Posts: 33,254 User: 22,665	when Bieber was #1 on Spotify everybody was saying it was the same 5 people streaming 24/7 but as in the case of One Dance, don't think that's true and people have to accept that the song is popular and that's it... One Dance is also an international hit, which you cannot say about the Wet Wet Wet song, which was not even top 40 in the US...


Dircadirca View member profile	1st August 2016, 07:09 AM Post #3
BuzzJack Platinum Member Pronouns: He/Him Joined: 28 July 2013 Posts: 5,076 User: 19,614	You could make a note that the other two are attached to huge box office smashes and then sold in the shops to a lot of people who possibly will have not bought any other single that year, or might not have ever really listened to them while persistent success in streaming requires some level of well, persistence. The charts are what they are and I'm not trying to illegitimise their successes, but it is interesting how opposite the situations are.


Jessie Where View member profile	1st August 2016, 07:11 AM Post #4
Break the tension Joined: 7 March 2006 Posts: 88,972 User: 51	I do honestly feel like the second half of Drake's spell at the top was by default.


J00prstar View member profile	1st August 2016, 11:08 AM Post #5
there's nothing straight about plump Elvis Pronouns: they/any Joined: 21 January 2016 Posts: 13,144 User: 22,895	Yes, Drake was dealing with a lot less competition in the form of either big or popular releases by established big or popular artists for a lot of his run. Main challengers were Justin Timberlake, Calvin/Rihanna, and Sia. Kungs was another that caught on and rose to become a hit. A lot of the weeks he topped saw hardly any new releases in any portion of the chart that would be strong enough to challenge for the top spot. Was that the case in the 90s when Bryan and Wet Wet Wet had their runs?


Robbie View member profile	1st August 2016, 11:14 AM Post #6
BuzzJack Gold Member Joined: 4 April 2006 Posts: 3,445 User: 366	QUOTE(mr_pmt @ Aug 1 2016, 08:11 AM) I do honestly feel like the second half of Drake's spell at the top was by default. It was the same with both Bryan Adams and Wet Wet Wet though. Both singles were selling in far smaller amounts that what was then normal for a number 1 for the last few weeks of their respective runs at the top. I don't know if this was the same for Wet Wet Wet but Bryan Adams remained at number 1 for the last month or so purely on Saturday sales and most likely sales from Saturday sales in Woolworths. On the MRIB / Network Chart which had a cut off point of Thursday (though Woolies didn't provide sales info for that chart) the record had fallen as low as number 6 towards the end while the single was still at the top on the Gallup / BBC chart. This post has been edited by Robbie: 1st August 2016, 11:20 AM


Colm View member profile	1st August 2016, 11:24 AM Post #7
Yes, it's me. Joined: 4 November 2009 Posts: 19,813 User: 9,885	QUOTE(Bjork @ Aug 1 2016, 07:53 AM) One Dance is also an international hit, which you cannot say about the Wet Wet Wet song, which was not even top 40 in the US... How many nations does it take to be an international hit? According to Wikipedia it went top 2 in the following countries AUS AUT FRA GER IRE NL NZ SWI UK


Robbie View member profile	1st August 2016, 11:32 AM Post #8
BuzzJack Gold Member Joined: 4 April 2006 Posts: 3,445 User: 366	Here's the chart run for both Bryan Adams and Wet Wet Wet on the MRIB/ Network Chart: (Everything I Do) I Do It For You Entry: 30/06/91 30-3-2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-3-6-6-8-12-OUT (the chart was a top 30 at the time) Love Is All Around Entry: 15/05/94 6-2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-5-11-19-29-49-OUT Wet Wet Wet did manage 15 weeks at the top, in sync with the Official Chart. However Bryan Adams only managed to spend 14 weeks at the top. This post has been edited by Robbie: 1st August 2016, 11:37 AM


steveh31 View member profile	1st August 2016, 11:40 AM Post #9
BuzzJack Regular Joined: 29 August 2014 Posts: 323 User: 21,175	QUOTE(Bjork @ Aug 1 2016, 07:53 AM) when Bieber was #1 on Spotify everybody was saying it was the same 5 people streaming 24/7 but as in the case of One Dance, don't think that's true and people have to accept that the song is popular and that's it... One Dance is also an international hit, which you cannot say about the Wet Wet Wet song, which was not even top 40 in the US... Talk about picky it reached No.41 which for a group from Scotland in 1994 was a major acheivement.


Popchartfreak View member profile	1st August 2016, 11:49 AM Post #10
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 18 July 2012 Posts: 22,832 User: 17,376	the 90's biggies were trickle sellers over a long period, and were huge on radio, TV, cinema, and sold to new fans each week. Drake....err, isn't. His new actual downloads were modest compared to other tracks that were around, not big radio hits anywhere, no video, no cinema. essentially big only on streaming with a large core fanbase. On downloads alone he had a 3-week run, one less than Justin and Kungs, who are both hanging around, along with plenty of other tracks including Drake. Still not sold 500,000 downloads, whereas Justin has found more that than willing to buy the track even with (or because of) saturation airplay across Europe for over 10 weeks on top of the radio play charts. Net effect: that single is widely well known and Drake's is more of a huge cult. Wet Wet Wet's run was cut short as it was deleted while at number one (by the band who were sick of it, but also as an attempt to make it 16 weeks in a rush to buy the last remaining copies). In the 90's big hits were deleted to make you buy either the follow-up single or album. Shops had limited space for back issue singles in any case, so only the megastores would have stocked for impulse buys (London and the cities) once stock was gone, so singles became hard to find shortly after leaving the charts, unless you prepared to order them and wait - assuming there was stock in the factory or other branches of the shop. These days it's instant, and long runs are easy, you just click and buy, or log on and don't buy.


paulgilb View member profile	1st August 2016, 12:14 PM Post #11
BuzzJack Enthusiast Joined: 7 March 2006 Posts: 1,496 User: 55	QUOTE Wet Wet Wet's run was cut short as it was deleted while at number one (by the band who were sick of it, but also as an attempt to make it 16 weeks in a rush to buy the last remaining copies). I'm not sure the Wet Wet Wet single was actually deleted, given that it did hang around for quite some time after leaving #1: 4-2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-4-8-16-21-35-39-46-47-52-58-59-54-60-52-37-37-50-63-66 Whereas Bryan Adams dropped out very quickly once it left the top 5: 8-2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-4-4-6-12-36-63-xx-xx-73 Even if Wet Wet Wet was deleted, I doubt it would have made any difference, as Whigfield's first week sale was massive.


steveh31 View member profile	1st August 2016, 12:17 PM Post #12
BuzzJack Regular Joined: 29 August 2014 Posts: 323 User: 21,175	QUOTE(paulgilb @ Aug 1 2016, 01:14 PM) I'm not sure the Wet Wet Wet single was actually deleted, given that it did hang around for quite some time after leaving #1: 4-2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-4-8-16-21-35-39-46-47-52-58-59-54-60-52-37-37-50-63-66 Whereas Bryan Adams dropped out very quickly once it left the top 5: 8-2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-4-4-6-12-36-63-xx-xx-73 Even if Wet Wet Wet was deleted, I doubt it would have made any difference, as Whigfield's first week sale was massive. Wets sales doubled in the 16th week after deletion to nearly 100,000 but Whigfield sold 150,000


slowdown73 View member profile	1st August 2016, 12:35 PM Post #13
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 3 August 2006 Posts: 8,209 User: 1,031	Bryan Adams and Wet Wet Wet are both more worthy artists of a protracted period at number one. Both these acts achieved their record runs based on physical sales only. Clearly the market has changed since then but it would be interesting to see how they would have performed in the current market which is dominated by streaming sales and a smaller percentage of downloads. Given both songs are from soundtracks to films, they may have stayed even longer at number one based on the publicity from the films.


Sour Candy View member profile	1st August 2016, 02:33 PM Post #14
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 22 December 2009 Posts: 30,356 User: 10,275	Drake was extremely lucky for the last 4 weeks at least. This week top 4 sold the same or even more than One Dance did on weeks 12-15 Also Drake's fans are just about right demographic for these days when streaming is taking over I highly doubt that we are going to see other 10+ weekers any time soon (Q4 coming) I wouldn't really take side of which is the biggest hit. Time will tell. Of those 3 I'd say Bryan's feels the biggest but in 20 years I can very well say One Dance This post has been edited by SKOB: 1st August 2016, 02:36 PM


Dircadirca View member profile	1st August 2016, 02:52 PM Post #15
BuzzJack Platinum Member Pronouns: He/Him Joined: 28 July 2013 Posts: 5,076 User: 19,614	QUOTE(popchartfreak @ Aug 1 2016, 07:49 PM) Still not sold 500,000 downloads, whereas Justin has found more that than willing to buy the track even with (or because of) saturation airplay across Europe for over 10 weeks on top of the radio play charts. Net effect: that single is widely well known and Drake's is more of a huge cult. One could argue that this goes down to differing demographics on iTunes & Spotify, and from that their comparative popularity would differ in those differing demographics. The gap between them is huge on Spotify (roughly 20 million plays vs roughly 60 million), but Justin of course would have who knows how many fans happy to just hear it on the radio or TV, so there's a case for both of them.


Sour Candy View member profile	1st August 2016, 03:50 PM Post #16
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 22 December 2009 Posts: 30,356 User: 10,275	Just curious: how do you know that One Dance wouldn't had been a huge sales success as well? The fact that Drake fans have embraced streaming doesn't mean that they wouldn't have downloaded it. And vice versa, if Justin Timberlake's fans would've been even more towards streaming it could've been number one. Can't Stop the Feeling was just rehashed Happy This Is What You Came for was ok but Calvin Harris is not any more as popular as he was 5 years ago This Girl doesn't sound a groundbreaking hit The fact is that no song was strong enough to beat One Dance. The job wasn't impossible. It wasn't the most successful song of all time when it was #1. It hasn't yet even beaten any of Justin Bieber's three #1 hits in terms of streaming numbers. None of those songs around at the time were just big enough to do it. This post has been edited by SKOB: 1st August 2016, 04:20 PM


Bjork View member profile	1st August 2016, 03:57 PM Post #17
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 November 2015 Posts: 33,254 User: 22,665	of course Love is All Around wasn't an only-Uk success and also did well in other territories, but nothing amazing, if you check any big hit, many did much better... check I Will Always Love You, did much much much better in comparison


The Hit Parade View member profile	1st August 2016, 07:41 PM Post #18
BuzzJack Gold Member Joined: 24 March 2013 Posts: 2,134 User: 18,521	There's always an element of luck in these things, and I don't think it's a coincidence that all three of the songs we're talking about stretched their runs over the summer period when the record industry tends to go quiet. For example, if Justin Timberlake had chosen to do some UK promotion for his single, he might have overtaken for at least a week or two.


Sour Candy View member profile	2nd August 2016, 06:23 AM Post #19
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 22 December 2009 Posts: 30,356 User: 10,275	Yea, the only promo was ESC I believe


steveh31 View member profile	2nd August 2016, 07:17 AM Post #20
BuzzJack Regular Joined: 29 August 2014 Posts: 323 User: 21,175	QUOTE(Bjork @ Aug 1 2016, 04:57 PM) of course Love is All Around wasn't an only-Uk success and also did well in other territories, but nothing amazing, if you check any big hit, many did much better... check I Will Always Love You, did much much much better in comparison Whitney would easily have made 14 or 15 weeks if released in summer and very low sales throughout 1992 and probably Celine Dion Think Twice if it hadn't been released in November and got caught in the Christmas traffic. This post has been edited by steveh31: 2nd August 2016, 07:17 AM