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 Oct 11 2019, 02:35 PM
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 I'm a paragon so don't perceive me
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I would argue that that does not work in this case. Few white students will have ever experienced regular or systemic racism and it is counter to the intent of having a space for minorities to allow anyone from the majority to put in their well-meaning but dominating opinions.
It would also very much surprise me if this was anything but a minor meeting set alongside various other anti-racism initiatives. |
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Oct 11 2019, 02:37 PM
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 Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(Tones and Iz @ Oct 11 2019, 03:35 PM)  I would argue that that does not work in this case. Few white students will have ever experienced regular or systemic racism and it is counter to the intent of having a space for minorities to allow anyone from the majority to put in their well-meaning but dominating opinions. It would also very much surprise me if this was anything but a minor meeting set alongside various other anti-racism initiatives. I would argue that any decision that affects a group, should have input *from* that group, otherwise it just generates resentment. |
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Oct 11 2019, 08:50 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Oct 11 2019, 03:37 PM) I would argue that any decision that affects a group, should have input *from* that group, otherwise it just generates resentment. So you agree that all the people from the rest of the EU who were living here at the time of the referendum should have had a vote. |
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Oct 11 2019, 09:26 PM
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QUOTE(Tones and Iz @ Oct 11 2019, 09:12 AM) It’s important for people to have a space where they can share how they’ve experienced racism and I guess they figured that ensuring they didn’t even have supportive white people ready to butt in and make it about them when it isn’t was worth it. Absolutely, and I do get this. I also know people that fall into that category of making it about them and having no self awareness in the process. I kind of see it from both sides though. Racism can be experienced by anybody and excluding somebody from this group because they happen to be white(although....yes, I know they will be far fewer in numbers), when they may well have experienced racism and might not even want to but in and make it about them....I dunno it doesn´t quite sit right. Don´t get me wrong, I´m not buying into the Daily Mail hyperbole at all. This post has been edited by mald487: Oct 11 2019, 09:28 PM |
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Oct 12 2019, 05:07 AM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Oct 11 2019, 09:50 PM) So you agree that all the people from the rest of the EU who were living here at the time of the referendum should have had a vote. Don't twist my words.  *they* can return home if the vote goes against them - we native Brits are stuck with it though, so are much more invested. Anyway, the other EU countries have had plenty of input in the Brexit process (some might say too much  )
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Oct 12 2019, 07:57 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Oct 12 2019, 06:07 AM) Don't twist my words. *they* can return home if the vote goes against them - we native Brits are stuck with it though, so are much more invested. Anyway, the other EU countries have had plenty of input in the Brexit process (some might say too much )If they’ve been here 20+ years, don’t you think they might consider themselves to be home already? |
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Oct 12 2019, 08:03 AM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Oct 12 2019, 08:57 AM) If they’ve been here 20+ years, don’t you think they might consider themselves to be home already? Can they still not vote after 20 years here? |
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Oct 12 2019, 09:59 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Oct 12 2019, 09:03 AM) Can they still not vote after 20 years here? If they haven't become a UK citizen (possibly because they saw no need), they can only vote in local and European elections. They are unable to vote in national elections and were specifically excluded from the electorate for the referendum. |
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Oct 12 2019, 11:37 AM
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Should be noted that they were in the Franchise for the 2014 Indyref because the SNP appreciated that this would also impact on their lives and they should get a say too
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Oct 14 2019, 01:26 PM
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 there's nothing straight about plump Elvis
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Oh yippee, white people playing the victim. We should get a bingo card or plat some kind of drinking game.
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Oct 14 2019, 01:43 PM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(TheJü-Pumpkin @ Oct 14 2019, 02:26 PM) Oh yippee, white people playing the victim. We should get a bingo card or plat some kind of drinking game. You do realise that anti-white racism is a *real* thing, right? Rare perhaps, but it does exist. |
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Oct 14 2019, 01:56 PM
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there's nothing straight about plump Elvis
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Under certain definitions. Certainly not as much as its wailed about by people who've never had anything to worry about in their lives and want to get in on the outrage woe is me train for funsies.
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Oct 17 2019, 05:27 AM
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Paul Hyett
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Oct 17 2019, 05:35 AM
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I'm a paragon so don't perceive me
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Good.
A plan mostly of May's conceiving I believe. It was eminently unworkable, so they dropped it. |
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Oct 17 2019, 05:55 AM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(Tones and Iz @ Oct 17 2019, 06:35 AM) Good. A plan mostly of May's conceiving I believe. It was eminently unworkable, so they dropped it. You mean some actually *agrees* with one of my posts here! 
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Oct 17 2019, 09:06 AM
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That authoritarian, RIDICULOUS, dictator-wannabe, pearl-clutching plan had no business becoming law. Good riddance.
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Oct 17 2019, 09:11 AM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(Trick Or Queef! @ Oct 17 2019, 10:06 AM) That authoritarian, RISICULOUS, dictator-wannabe, pearl-clutching plan had no business becoming law. Good riddance. You agree with me, too?  I thought almost the only things that we agreed on was PR, and Lana Del Rey. 
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Oct 21 2019, 09:51 AM
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Paul Hyett
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This is iro California, but would surely happen here too, if Labour won the next GE...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bMaRzum82I 'Exodus' of the middle class from the Central Coast |
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Oct 21 2019, 09:54 AM
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The USA is one country. It has a tradition of moving around it, hence why churches are such a community thing.
Europe has different languages and cultures and the ONLY COUNTRY WITH A LOWER BUSINESS TAX RATE IN EUROPE THAN LABOUR'S POLICY IS IRELAND. Ireland has 6 million people, the UK 66 million, and the UK south is in the hot banana of Europe. So! Yeah. No. The video is about cost of living. California is a very expensive place to live, like Lonodn, with high house prices. This is just a fact of capitalism. Also you right wing lot like to say that about EVERY LABOUR GOVERNMENT. Annd it never happens. Thank u, next! |
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Oct 22 2019, 07:18 AM
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I'm a paragon so don't perceive me
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Liberals hold the government in Canada despite Trudeau. Minority government now so perhaps a bit of instability, I hope the NDP, led by Jagmeet Singh, who I've only ever heard good things about, can use the opportunity well to be kingmakers - from what I've read despite having a similar system to the UK, Canada really really doesn't do coalitions, so confidence and supply or short operating government.
and also I'm just glad that Canada's Conservatives didn't return to power. |
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