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Brett-Butler
post Sep 23 2018, 10:01 AM
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QUOTE(Mariner @ Sep 23 2018, 10:47 AM) *
We need to change this biased, BBC style tagline, when Tories are more anti semetic anyway [citation needed], to something less biased, such assss
LABOUR SUPPORTS A NEW REFERENDUM!


There is a general topic to discuss anything Labour related, "The Labour Foot-Shoot Thread", this topic is exclusively to discuss the rampant Antisemitism with the Labour Party. And no, I will not by changing the title of THAT thread, as it is in keeping with the similarly pithy titles we give to the general discussion of both the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats.
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post Sep 23 2018, 10:04 AM
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Oh I thought this was that thread

Then we need a Tory anti semitism thread too!
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post Feb 11 2019, 08:09 PM
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It's been revealed that officially, there has been 673 complaints of Antisemitism in 10 months, leading to 96 suspensions and 12 expulsions.
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post Feb 12 2019, 06:23 AM
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QUOTE(Mariner @ Sep 23 2018, 10:04 AM) *
Oh I thought this was that thread

Then we need a Tory anti semitism thread too!


But Labour's is bigger news, as they have previously acted 'holier than thou' where Tory anti-semitism was concerned.
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post Feb 26 2019, 08:47 PM
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Anti-racism organisation Hope Not Hate have called for a Labour MP to be kicked out of the party, owing to allegations of Antisemitism . I'm guessing that this is unprecedented in modern times, as far as the Labour Party is concerned.
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post Feb 27 2019, 03:25 PM
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QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Feb 26 2019, 08:47 PM) *
Anti-racism organisation Hope Not Hate have called for a Labour MP to be kicked out of the party, owing to allegations of Antisemitism . I'm guessing that this is unprecedented in modern times, as far as the Labour Party is concerned.


Labour/liberals created PC as a weapon to target reactionary politics, but like most weapons, it can be turned against those who wield them... whistle.gif


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QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Feb 26 2019, 09:47 PM) *
Anti-racism organisation Hope Not Hate have called for a Labour MP to be kicked out of the party, owing to allegations of Antisemitism . I'm guessing that this is unprecedented in modern times, as far as the Labour Party is concerned.


And Chris Williamson has now been suspended by the Labour Party. And there was much rejoicing in Derby North.
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Lord Voldemort lookalike Chris Williamson has been let back into Labour following his suspension for anti-Semitic remarks. This will likely go down well.
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....and on that point, let's put blame where it lies:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2...on-antisemitism

PS there was a deadline where the local party would have had to pick someone less-anti-semitic which conveniently passed by the decision to bring him back from the dead, like some left-wing Count Dracula who had lost the letter "o" from his PC keyboard.
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And so the utter hypocrisy of the press continues. Somebody tells the Guardian that he reported a possible case of domestic abuse involving Boris Johnson and the press goes ballistic, suggesting that this member of the public was guilty of treachery. OTOH, a senior civil servant (who is supposed to be strictly neutral) goes running to the Telegraph with a suggestion that Jeremy Corbyn is not healthy enough to be PM and they splash the story over the front page. Not a single Tory MP has accused the civil servant of being in breach of his or her terms of employment.

If Corbyn does ever become PM, how is he supposed to trust his senior civil servants after stories like this?
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jun 29 2019, 10:36 PM) *
And so the utter hypocrisy of the press continues. Somebody tells the Guardian that he reported a possible case of domestic abuse involving Boris Johnson and the press goes ballistic, suggesting that this member of the public was guilty of treachery. OTOH, a senior civil servant (who is supposed to be strictly neutral) goes running to the Telegraph with a suggestion that Jeremy Corbyn is not healthy enough to be PM and they splash the story over the front page. Not a single Tory MP has accused the civil servant of being in breach of his or her terms of employment.

If Corbyn does ever become PM, how is he supposed to trust his senior civil servants after stories like this?


Pretty sure I'd be sacked in a flash if I made unsubstantiated claims about a local Councillor in the local press.....!

The best way Corbyn could deal with this is to give an interview demanding the person be dismissed. And then brought back again 3 months later. And then dismissed again by a panel of 3 people who thought that was what he wanted. And then say nothing. And then deal with criticisms of the situation by ignoring them, giving no clear indication what he actually wants. I'm sure that's what he would want! laugh.gif
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post Jul 7 2019, 01:25 PM
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As anyone who has read Private Eye knows, the moment that you employ Carter-Ruck, you're in big trouble. Ahead of a BBC Panorama documentary due to air on Wednesday which will examine antisemitism within the Labour Party, letters have been sent out to several ex-staffers warning them of legal action if the contribute to the documentary.
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post Jul 7 2019, 06:05 PM
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Speaking as a local gov employee, as i often do, I can state with 100% certainty that Non-Disclosure Agreements are only ever forced on employees as they leave to shut them up about information which is actually true. It's a fact, a 100% certain fact that the people paying them off don't want exposed and where the threat of legal action alone may not get them what they want (which is silence). You don't pay people off for telling lies that they can be prosecuted for, you pay them off to stop them telling the truth.

Got a financial deal that politicians know is utter shite within 3 months of signing the contract because they ignored the advice of experts who are paid to make sure contracts are not dodgy? Sack them and pay them off so they can't rat on you for being thick and useless. This happened in our former Council. Don;t want to expose how much money you didn't save by calling in bankrupt firms against advice? Just claim "commercial confidentiality" and hey presto no comeback. This also happened.

So, why on earth would the Labour Party need to hire lawyers to prevent people from speaking true facts. Not by threatening them with slander or libel, but by threatening them with breaking something they were no doubt forced to sign. Here stand the shining lights of open-ness and ensuring politicians are answerable for their behaviour.....
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QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Jul 7 2019, 02:25 PM) *
As anyone who has read Private Eye knows, the moment that you employ Carter-Ruck, you're in big trouble. Ahead of a BBC Panorama documentary due to air on Wednesday which will examine antisemitism within the Labour Party, letters have been sent out to several ex-staffers warning them of legal action if the contribute to the documentary.


Ah, good old Carter-R(F)uck!

It is really quite sad what has become of the Labour Party lately, under the leadership of Corbyn. : (
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post Jul 10 2019, 06:03 PM
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Panorama 9pm this evening on BBC1. Will be interesting to see what fallout there will be from it. Prediction - very little, perhaps a percentage point in the next Opinion Poll, but not much else.
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immediate fall-out, moderates are appalled, the Lefties say the former members are just whinging moaners and that it's perfectly fine for a small group of activists to self-moderate, nothing to see here. They've also gone full-on BBC-bias mode (they can easily take all points raised and explain why, rather than make blanket statements, it's not difficult to be specific with factual examples, I do it all the time as part of my job when faced with legal reps for other parties trying to make non-facts appear to be facts regarding land ownership issues), and hilariously slag off the main journalist - who Corbyn praised in Parliament in 2002 for his previous work. Hah!

Let's go back 5 years and compare.

Jewish leader (who brought in party changes for better membership democracy, followed by an invasion of new members and long-gone Lefties who have been involved in other parties, which ironically did anything but lead to open-ness and democracy)
Few complaints of bullying and racism, and those that did crop up were dealt with.
Harassing of fellow Labour Party MP's, even far-left MP's, did not happen.
The party was clearly in favour of Remaining in the EU, and they fought for that position.
Still regarded as a viable alternative future election-winning force.

Hmmm.....

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