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 Jun 15 2023, 11:46 PM
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QUOTE(crazy chris @ Jun 15 2023, 05:54 PM)  There was no incompetence. It was a pandemic, something natural that Government couldn't control. Am sick to death of everyone blaming Boris. Starmer would have done no different. If everyone, and I mean everyone, had followed the rules rigidly then there'd have been less deaths. Nobody really knows whether an alternative government would have handled the pandemic any better but you are missing the point that Johnston was found guilty by the Covid committee of knowingly misleading parliament. His actions were highly reckless at a time when he was supposed to be serving our countries best interests. The problem was the government clearly didn’t follow the rules so what kind of example does that set to the general public? Furthermore, the Covid committee report highlighted a number of factors that impacted on the governments ineffective response to the pandemic such as lack of testing, delaying lockdown and austerity. While I agree with you that the government had to a large extent no control over the pandemic outbreak, if their response has been better like other countries such as New Zealand then we would have ended up with far fewer deaths so there are clearly many lessons to be learned from the event. |
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Jun 16 2023, 07:52 AM
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QUOTE(Envoirment @ Jun 16 2023, 12:25 AM) David Cameron. He is what led to where we are now with Brexit and subsequently the inept/horrific government it created when the pandemic hit. He should not be able to get away with what he has done and be overshadowed by Boris' mess. Also his government is what implemented the beginning of austerity. They also made Royal mail private in that time (among other things). Trust me when I say that dish faced c**t and his snivelling faux centerist deputy and their two treasury squatting austerity unleashing gimps fill out the rest of the top 6 along with Farage |
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Jun 16 2023, 08:01 AM
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QUOTE(neill2407 @ Jun 16 2023, 01:46 AM) Nobody really knows whether an alternative government would have handled the pandemic any better but you are missing the point that Johnston was found guilty by the Covid committee of knowingly misleading parliament. His actions were highly reckless at a time when he was supposed to be serving our countries best interests. The problem was the government clearly didn’t follow the rules so what kind of example does that set to the general public? Furthermore, the Covid committee report highlighted a number of factors that impacted on the governments ineffective response to the pandemic such as lack of testing, delaying lockdown and austerity. While I agree with you that the government had to a large extent no control over the pandemic outbreak, if their response has been better like other countries such as New Zealand then we would have ended up with far fewer deaths so there are clearly many lessons to be learned from the event. We do have an idea tho. Scotland and Wales handled things better within the constraints set upon them by uncaring toffs at Westminster. But also you can see how Peer nations went. It’s a myth that plays right into tory propaganda to say we can’t know a different government would have done better. We can. We can see for our own eyes how other countries reacted to the same evidence and compare with what Boris chose to do when presented with the same thing. The man went round a covid ward and caught it at least half on purpose because he didn’t think it was serious. I ain’t the biggest fan of Merkel but she at least got how serious it was from the outset and didn’t have to be allegedly in ICU on a Vent in order to get it |
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Jun 16 2023, 02:03 PM
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Oh quelle surprise! He's getting paid a very high 6 figure salary to write a weekly column for the Daily Heil!
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Jun 16 2023, 02:52 PM
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QUOTE(Silas @ Jun 16 2023, 09:01 AM) We do have an idea tho. Scotland and Wales handled things better within the constraints set upon them by uncaring toffs at Westminster. But also you can see how Peer nations went. It’s a myth that plays right into tory propaganda to say we can’t know a different government would have done better. We can. We can see for our own eyes how other countries reacted to the same evidence and compare with what Boris chose to do when presented with the same thing. The man went round a covid ward and caught it at least half on purpose because he didn’t think it was serious. I ain’t the biggest fan of Merkel but she at least got how serious it was from the outset and didn’t have to be allegedly in ICU on a Vent in order to get it I think the biggest thing that will come out of the covid enquiry is how willfully ill-prepared we were for a pandemic. That isn't necessarily all on Johnson, but it is on the Conservatives. This led to the PPE mess, Track n Trace car crash and everything else. the latter part of 2020, I suspect was down to johnson and probably the pressures he faced elsewhere though. Pretty clear eat out to help out led to super spreading and there were major external parties influencing policy, certainly in the autumn of 2020. |
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Jun 16 2023, 03:22 PM
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And when they released thousands of positively-tested people into care homes, spreading it to the most vulnerable.
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Jun 16 2023, 07:02 PM
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QUOTE(Smint @ Jun 16 2023, 03:03 PM) Oh quelle surprise! He's getting paid a very high 6 figure salary to write a weekly column for the Daily Heil! Another breach of the ministerial code. |
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Jun 17 2023, 08:32 PM
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Anyone attempting to defend this is a moron. Get these c**ts out of no.10 now. |
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Jun 17 2023, 08:50 PM
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If that video shows what we are told it shows, it demonstrates how much contempt these "people" have for the rest of us.
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Jun 18 2023, 04:35 AM
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The video is appalling and demonstrates the Tories didn’t take Covid seriously at all and that’s been a general theme throughout the pandemic. No wonder we ended up with so many deaths as a result. It’s gross incompetence.
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Jul 12 2023, 08:27 PM
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66165001 Latest in Boris reneging on a promise non-shock of the week. |
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Jul 13 2023, 08:39 PM
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Jul 12 2023, 09:27 PM) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66165001 Latest in Boris reneging on a promise non-shock of the week. Yeah, but Huw Edwards. This story has been totally ignored. |
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