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Posted by: GingerbreadHaus Dec 5 2015, 01:00 PM

Following on from the huge Season 5 finale, a new trailer has finally surfaced for Season 6 due to air in April 2016:




Excited~

Posted by: dandy* Dec 5 2015, 11:49 PM

Does that imply that John could be controlled by Bran? ohmy.gif

I'd never considered that before but it would be an interesting twist on how I was expecting things to pan out...

Posted by: Jonjowman ⛄ Dec 6 2015, 03:00 AM

Extremely excited to be watching this and actually "getting" what all the fuss is about. Agreed with Dandy. Very excited to see where this will all be going! Barring the last 3 episodes, the last season was def the weakest imo, but the last 3 episodes more than made up for it!

Posted by: HausofTroye Jan 8 2016, 06:53 AM

First episode premiering April 24th biggrin.gif

http://m.imdb.com/news/ni59357249?ref=tsm_1_tw_s_IMDbTV_Marketing&linkId=20184216

Posted by: Joe. Jan 8 2016, 10:15 AM

I don't care abou t Jon or Bran. I just want to know if the Tyrells are okay! :'(

Posted by: HausofTroye Feb 15 2016, 12:05 PM

NEW TRAILER:


Posted by: Iz~ Feb 15 2016, 12:12 PM

Chills. Not sure what it's signifying but it's something good. Maybe Arya's storyline last season will actually pay off!

Posted by: Severin Feb 15 2016, 12:41 PM

Interesting.

It seems to be suggesting Tyron may be up for the chop, but I doubt it somehow.

Posted by: burbe Feb 15 2016, 03:49 PM

QUOTE(Severin @ Feb 15 2016, 12:41 PM) *
Interesting.

It seems to be suggesting Tyron may be up for the chop, but I doubt it somehow.


It ends with all the main characters in the hall of faces though.

Posted by: Severin Feb 15 2016, 05:37 PM

QUOTE(burbe @ Feb 15 2016, 03:49 PM) *
It ends with all the main characters in the hall of faces though.

And that's what happens when you sneak a look instead of working like you should be. You miss the bleeding obvious and wind up looking stupid

Posted by: Eyes Mar 9 2016, 12:04 PM



It's getting close. I'm starting to get really really excited again.

Posted by: Vülker Mar 9 2016, 01:23 PM

My carcass is ripe in readiness!

Posted by: Severin Mar 10 2016, 12:49 AM

Slightly disappointed in the new trailer. It's great but has nothing that made me go 'wow I didn't expect that'.

Plus, 1.17

Posted by: Eyes Mar 10 2016, 01:03 AM

Yes! That was the clear standout moment from the trailer. The rest is just what you'd expect, it helps that that on its own is enough to make me excited but that's the one moment that really has me intrigued.

Posted by: Severin Mar 10 2016, 10:54 AM

QUOTE(Eyes @ Mar 10 2016, 01:03 AM) *
Yes! That was the clear standout moment from the trailer. The rest is just what you'd expect, it helps that that on its own is enough to make me excited but that's the one moment that really has me intrigued.

Indeed, it's not clear enough to be certain but...

Posted by: Severin Apr 12 2016, 10:34 AM



This is the brightened version of the trailer released today, where you can actually see what's going on!

Posted by: HausofKubrick Apr 12 2016, 12:06 PM

I marathoned Season 5 over the weekend and it's probably my favourite season to date. Some truly remarkable performances and scenes but as a whole they really went all out. The walk of atonement is as harrowing as ever too no matter how many times I watch it.

So excited for this.

Posted by: Severin Apr 12 2016, 12:55 PM

QUOTE(HausofKubrick @ Apr 12 2016, 01:06 PM) *
I marathoned Season 5 over the weekend and it's probably my favourite season to date. Some truly remarkable performances and scenes but as a whole they really went all out. The walk of atonement is as harrowing as ever too no matter how many times I watch it.

So excited for this.

Not my fave at all but Hardhome is probably the show's best ever episode

Posted by: HausofKubrick Apr 25 2016, 09:22 PM

^also my favourite episode!

Pretty slow start but it's continuing to set up the various story arcs quite well, I just hope they all erupt in some way or another eventually. I wanted Bran!

Posted by: Chez Wombat Apr 25 2016, 09:54 PM

Very solid start. Nothing too shocking or stand out but I feel that a show with so much scope and this many stories needs a calm season opener to establish things before getting on with the story and especially so after THAT finale. Not sure what to make of the Melisandre last scene, but I'm assuming she's gonna be quite a key character this season (and I see Jon's body is still very much ripe and Kit Harrington is still listed in the main case in the opening credits ;o).

And yes, it's been too long since we've seen Bran sad.gif

Posted by: Iz~ Apr 25 2016, 09:57 PM

Pretty standard first episode of GoT season to catch up with things, they have so many plot threads it's not got anywhere near the tight focus it had in the early seasons. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing but other episodes need to be less jumpy. Still no Bran or Sam even with all the threads they jumped around and Sam probably has the most of his storyline left to catch up on out of everyone.

Best thing tonight was Sansa/Theon hooking up with Brienne/Pod. Worst/most notable was that clusterf*** of a thing in Dorne, I didn't mind it last season even though most hated it but having read partway through that part in the books, seeing them kill off Dr Bashir and his son for... reasons, well, they'd better have a good payoff for that along the road. No Arianne or Quentyn (presumably, I haven't actually got to any bits where Quentyn is introduced) is screwing that bit up. Even if it is too many characters even for this show, children of major nobles (and a POV character as well) are kind of important.

But yeah, I'm sure it'll get a lot better as it goes along. Intrigued about Melisandre, I never imagined she had such depths.

Posted by: Jonjo Apr 25 2016, 10:12 PM

YESSS! Brienne and Podrick coming to save Theon and Sansa was my favourite moment too wub.gif

I too, wanted Bran though. I'm so intrigued by his story! I was kind of gutted that he didn't get a look in last season, but I'm hoping that the break from him will only ravel itself to be a great thing! wub.gif

Posted by: Rooney Apr 25 2016, 11:30 PM

Hope the Jon Snow stuff isn't dragged out too long. I imagine it will be episode 4 or 5 before he's back with us.

So many hints to it in the episode, but I saw Melisandre losing faith as a duality with the viewers also losing faith that he will be back (except of course he will be revived one way or another).

Posted by: Iz~ Apr 26 2016, 12:54 AM

QUOTE(Rooney @ Apr 26 2016, 12:30 AM) *
Hope the Jon Snow stuff isn't dragged out too long. I imagine it will be episode 4 or 5 before he's back with us.

So many hints to it in the episode, but I saw Melisandre losing faith as a duality with the viewers also losing faith that he will be back (except of course he will be revived one way or another).


I hope it's nowhere near that long. White Walkers need to start tearing away at the Wall already.

My friends and I were speculating that Melisandre will sacrifice herself to bring him back - her taking off her younger form has got to indicate that any 'magic'/Lord of Light powers she has is getting weaker at least. Although when Thoros brought Beric back was there a toll for him to pay? I feel like I remember something about him saying it getting harder each time but it's been so long since I've seen season 3.

Posted by: Severin Apr 26 2016, 12:01 PM

Not convinced that her powers are weakening. Simply that they are granted by either the necklace or the potions she uses. She's talked about it all being illusion before and Carice Van Houten blabbed about her being hundreds of years old some time back.

There's another school of thought that suggests Melisandre is a red herring and that she will do little to actually resurrect Snow, if anything but that she will follow him. It suggests his body will be burned and that his Targaryen blood will cause him to be reborn as Azor Ahai in a similar way to Danearys was in season 1.

I'm not entirely convinced, especially as we know a certain person will be returning this season and it renders their inclusion potentially pointless but there's possibly something there.

Posted by: Joe. Apr 26 2016, 12:39 PM

I really don't even have much to say about that episode other than that I hope Margery gets out of that cell in due course.

It was okay.

Posted by: Jimmy Jam Apr 26 2016, 12:48 PM

QUOTE(Joe. @ Apr 26 2016, 01:39 PM) *
I really don't even have much to say about that episode other than that I hope Margery gets out of that cell in due course.

It was okay.

I need Margery to be okay, she'd my favourite character cry.gif

The episode was quite good. Wondering the significance of the blood splatter from Jon huh.gif

Brienne and Pod saving Sansa and Theon was my highlight too. First episode is always one of the worst of the season because they have to get the ball rolling again, and as been previously said, with so many different story lines, that's a lot of balls

Posted by: Rooney Apr 26 2016, 05:30 PM

QUOTE(Severin @ Apr 26 2016, 01:01 PM) *
Not convinced that her powers are weakening. Simply that they are granted by either the necklace or the potions she uses. She's talked about it all being illusion before and Carice Van Houten blabbed about her being hundreds of years old some time back.

There's another school of thought that suggests Melisandre is a red herring and that she will do little to actually resurrect Snow, if anything but that she will follow him. It suggests his body will be burned and that his Targaryen blood will cause him to be reborn as Azor Ahai in a similar way to Danearys was in season 1.

I'm not entirely convinced, especially as we know a certain person will be returning this season and it renders their inclusion potentially pointless but there's possibly something there.


I saw it as a sign that she was losing hope. Stannis has dead, and now Jon Snow is dead, her prophecy won't come true. I think if it was as simple to resurrect him, she would have done it by now. But it's clear that he will come back in one form or another, I thought the Cersi & Jamie conversation that prophecies ALWAYS come true as a massive give away. And they made a big thing about Winterfell with the Boltons and at Castle Black.

Posted by: Severin Apr 26 2016, 10:54 PM

Yeah she's definitely having a crisis of faith but there are a number of ways this could go. I believe her prophecy will be borne out but she has made mistakes previously.
She made Stannis fit the prophecy rather than the prophecy fit Stannis. However, she did have a vision of Jon Snow fighting at Winterfell, and I'm sure he will. She may hunt down Thoros to do the deed or teach her his ability. Jon's body could be frozen whilst this happens and his 'soul' may be in Ghost.

The funeral pyre theory may be possible or she she may find a way to resurrect him herself.

Whatever happens I think both R+L = J and the Azor Ahai/Prince That Was Promised theories are both true of Jon.

Posted by: Cremey May 2 2016, 11:37 AM

Well that was a much better episode than the first. So eventful.
I get that the first had to set up a few storylines, so I'm hoping it's all go from here on.

Welcome back, Jon Snow 👋🏻
Actually surprised he's back already, thought it would take them a few episodes at least (if it was to happen at all!)

Posted by: Virginia's Walls May 2 2016, 02:39 PM

Looo worst kept secret on TV

Posted by: Severin May 2 2016, 05:01 PM

Every single significant characters story was propelled forward in a meaningful way in this week's episode with the exception of anyone on Essos... and Gendry. #stillrowing

Posted by: Iz~ May 2 2016, 10:31 PM

I can see them racing to catch the Greyjoy story up with everything else as I knew they'd have to biggrin.gif

Very eventful although I'm slightly concerned that we've had High Lord murders in three of the seven/eight/nine kingdoms in the first two episodes - do these people not think to invest in proper security at this point?! But then the two that happened tonight, Balon's was long overdue and I can see the motivation for the Bolton one - several of the people I was watching it with thought it the murder had been the other way around as Roose is far more subtle a character than Ramsey. But then more acting from Iwan Rheon in 'crazy man' guise will be welcomed until he inevitably falls to hubris.

Obviously Jon coming back to life was inevitable, I'm more interested in what he'll do now he's woken up alone, naked and with scars, with everyone else convinced he's still cold.

(also: yay references to all my favourite Northern houses, bring the Karstarks, Umbers, Manderlys, Glovers and Mormonts back into this *.* Or maybe some of them because the TV showrunners aren't completely crazy)

Posted by: HausofKubrick May 3 2016, 06:09 PM

A much better episode on the whole. Was brilliant to see Bran return, and the flashback scene was interesting to see - the show doesn't usually mess with time so it worked well as a one-off. The ending mellow.gif I was expecting it to happen as soon as Melisandre popped up but I still SCREAMED at the final moment - expertly built up culminating in a perfect release. Moments like this make me realise why the show is so well appreciated, it's meticulous.

Only downside: i'm sort of really bored at Arya's storyline right now. She's one of my big favourite characters but we just keep saying the same thing over and over again and while Maisie is an incredible actress I feel she's just playing the same role week in week out now. I haven't read the books so not sure where it's leading to, but please move somewhere soon ~

Posted by: Rooney May 3 2016, 06:16 PM

Really good episode.

I thought the Balon scenes were really rushed and slightly pointless. I get it's a plot device, but it just seemed kinda tagged on. I'm assuming his death was shown when it was because Jon Snow could only come back to life once the five kings had died (think they're all dead now anyhow??). As for the reveal, well it was obvious Jon would always come back. I had both Jon's death and resurrection spoiled through people telling me face to face!!! So the final scene lost a bit of tension as I always knew Jon would wake up.

Posted by: Iz~ May 3 2016, 06:34 PM

Balon died (offpage) in book 3 or even 2 - I was definitely surprised and had to reread to check when I got up to that part as he'd been safe and seemingly forgotten about up to Season 4 or wherever the show was then - and since then there's been a lot of Greyjoy/Iron Island storyline advancement in the books, so much so that until Euron's announcement as cast this time I thought they'd completely cast it all aside. I feel like Balon was actually the first of Melisandre's prophecy to die there, here, he's the last. Euron (and Victarion, who seems to have been cut sad.gif ) is a much better character than Balon so the sooner that storyline really gets to focus on him the better.

I feel like Arya's finally going somewhere with this episode. I feel she might have learned how to play the Faceless Men and will soon be out of there once they give her her sight back. Or I hope.

Posted by: Chez Wombat May 3 2016, 06:39 PM

I'd completely forgotten about the Greyjoys so that scene had me confused. Showed how much impact they had on me I guess.

Great episode though, felt far more classic GOT than last week's mere establishing episode and the plots all seem to be going somewhere now, I was foolish to think Ramsay wouldn't be as evil as to do what he did really mellow.gif And who could've seen that last reveal coming ay???? ohmy.gif (In all srsness, I do hope Jon's character is developed this series and he isn't just EXACTLY the same person he was before he died, it would've made it all a bit pointless other than trolling fans).

Posted by: Rooney May 3 2016, 07:04 PM

QUOTE(Chez Wombat @ May 3 2016, 07:39 PM) *
I'd completely forgotten about the Greyjoys so that scene had me confused. Showed how much impact they had on me I guess.

Great episode though, felt far more classic GOT than last week's mere establishing episode and the plots all seem to be going somewhere now, I was foolish to think Ramsay wouldn't be as evil as to do what he did really mellow.gif And who could've seen that last reveal coming ay???? ohmy.gif (In all srsness, I do hope Jon's character is developed this series and he isn't just EXACTLY the same person he was before he died, it would've made it all a bit pointless other than trolling fans).


Well his death served a purpose in one sense, as he did died, so he served his oath at Castle Black. Anyway next week apparently reveals Jon's parentage, (or at least one half) and there was a big hint to it the episode. Technically Jon Snow is dead.. Jon Stark arises.

Posted by: Severin May 3 2016, 08:18 PM

Speculation and potential spoilers ahead.




The next episode is called Oathbreaker - features the Tower Of Joy - and Jon Snow has been reborn as... AA/TPTWP? (not so sure about Jon Stark as technically he'd need a king/warden to legitimise him)-

Looks like someone's 'watch has ended' and that they may well unite the Northern houses/Wildings behind him and his half-sister.

I think 'Snow Bowl' will happen around mid season.

Posted by: Severin May 9 2016, 07:05 PM

I was worried that Ser Arthur Dayne would be disappointing but that fight was brilliant

Posted by: HausofKubrick May 9 2016, 09:04 PM

QUOTE(Severin @ May 9 2016, 08:05 PM) *
I was worried that Ser Arthur Dayne would be disappointing but that fight was brilliant


^ it was brilliantly done/choreographed!

The oathbreaker scene had me in stitches.. and then fearing for all humanity at the prize he brought out. :/ Ramsay has a new play thing sad.gif

Posted by: Iz~ May 9 2016, 10:06 PM

People no longer have to forget Rickon biggrin.gif On the downside, he's in the shit and they killed Shaggydog (his wolf) sad.gif

Great episode in that it mostly made me happy that things are moving and they aren't killing off characters for the sake of killing them off anymore, and those we did lose, I'm happy to lose. The High Sparrow/Tommen scenes as well as the Varys scenes stood out, as well as the introduction of the new Lord Umber. And of course the Tower Of Joy scenes, intriguing that Ned didn't verbally berate Howland for saving him the way he did, I'd have expected him to, perhaps his slavish honour is a character trait he develops later in life.

speculation but contains heavy spoilers if I'm right:
looks like they're putting the pieces together for Cleganebowl to actually happen, especially given the Hound getting an 'I didn't see him die' this episode, so that the audience remembers him

Posted by: Rooney May 9 2016, 11:39 PM

The battle of the bast*rds looks like it will happen biggrin.gif

Jon Snow can leave the Night's Watch because he technically died as LC. What's the betting Rickon becomes the new reek before been killed by Ramsay? Sure as hell going to happen I reckon.

Posted by: Severin May 10 2016, 11:55 AM

There's still a tempting theory about Rickon and how he's a gamble by the 'Great Northern Conspiracy' to gain trust before they overthrow Bolton. It justifies Umber's refusal to pledge fealty. It also suggests it wasn't Shaggydog's head but a fake.
How it factors in Ramsey not murdering him outright I'm not sure, but it also seems unlikely that we'd spend all that time resurrecting Jon just to have the Boltons combine with the other Northern houses, defeat and kill Jon and the Wildlings. So there has to be more to that plot.

Unless of course Ramsey is the 'Snow' that Melisandre saw in the fire and he's the hero of the story. Or would that be a step too far for GRR Martin?


Also interesting that they've gone back to calling Ser Robert Strong, Gregor Clegane. Pretty much confirming what Iz refers to.

Posted by: Jonjo May 16 2016, 05:55 PM

Great episode! The ending was great and the battle of the bast*rds is fast approaching. Sansa is really coming into her own so far this season, I'm LOVING her.

Posted by: Severin May 16 2016, 06:21 PM

I was genuinely moved when Sansa and Jon finally saw each other!

Tormund and Brienne was hilarious, and was their a lingering look between Ed and Sansa?


Additionally, it seems pretty much everyone is raising and army right now

Posted by: Chez Wombat May 16 2016, 09:29 PM

Littlefinger biggrin.gif Was wondering when he'd show up, and as scheming as ever I see, both him and the Night Watch army would surely be a formidable force against the Boltons. Love the building up of things in Kings Landing as well (where things REALLY needed to pick up, the High Sparrow was entertaining last season, but I think I've had enough of him now), some big battles coming there.

Seeing Jon & Sansa reunited was amazing, especially after the latter's been suffering for so long. And Dany's moment of triumph at the end of course was a show stealer. Nice to get an episode of HOPE for a change, even if it'll likely be dashed in some form sooner or later.

Posted by: Iz~ May 16 2016, 10:46 PM

The start AND the end were amazing this episode - that sort of fiery ending is almost season-ending in its glory. They're really ramping up the pace this season and it's just showing how slow season 5 was in comparison. Now for the ENTIRE POPULATION OF ESSOS to descend on King's Landing biggrin.gif (maybe, as soon as they get round to it, if they don't want to take their time about it and go to war against the Masters once more) Speaking of which, good to see them finally trying to do something about the High Sparrow over there.

You couldn't fail to have a smile on your face to see Jon and Sansa back together, I certainly couldn't. And it definitely seems like Ramsey will have no shortage of problems even if he does manage to stave them off this episode - although I'm disappointed in Osha, that was way too obvious an attempt.

Posted by: Joe. May 16 2016, 10:53 PM

Some of the dialogue between Sansa and Jon at the start was truly the cheesiest and clunkiest I've EVER seen GOT. Their initial reunion was very cute though.

All in all the best episode of the season by a mile. The hate I have for Ramsy....I hope he sees his bloody end at the end of the season, it's brilliant writing and acting because I find him so unlikable it's difficult to watch. That moment between himself and Tonks was so shocking and sad.

I have a really bad feeling that they are tieing up sansa's story and that she'll die at the end of the season. hope I'm wrong though!

Posted by: Severin May 16 2016, 11:23 PM

QUOTE(Joe. @ May 16 2016, 11:53 PM) *
Some of the dialogue between Sansa and Jon at the start was truly the cheesiest and clunkiest I've EVER seen GOT. Their initial reunion was very cute though.

That was the point though. It was meant to be awkward between them. They'd not seen each other in years and were never that close.

Posted by: jase. May 17 2016, 12:24 AM

EASILY the best episode of the season so far. The Jon/Sansa reunion was a joy to watch + seeing everybody bowing down to Dany at the end was just wub.gif

Posted by: Severin May 22 2016, 09:10 PM

So, blah blah blah, yawn yawn. Holy Shit!

I'm upset

Posted by: Joe. May 22 2016, 09:14 PM

Episode 5 is out there btw


What a spectacular and exciting final 15 minutes. gutted for the wolf and Hodor

Posted by: Severin May 22 2016, 09:36 PM

QUOTE(Joe. @ May 22 2016, 10:14 PM) *
Episode 5 is out there btw
What a spectacular and exciting final 15 minutes. gutted for the wolf and Hodor

Losing Summer hurt bad. That leaves only Ghost and Nymeria left.

Posted by: Jonjo May 22 2016, 09:48 PM

The last 15 minutes were yet again, spectacular. SO TENSE.

Cried more at the wolf dying than I did for Hodor, but I'm still ridiculously upset about that! :'( HOLD THE DOOR. HOLD THE DOOR.

Posted by: Vülker May 22 2016, 10:14 PM

The realisation was just too upsetting, I'm heartbroken.

Posted by: jase. May 22 2016, 10:17 PM

Oh f*** I'm guessing some serious shit went down? I've currently got it loading

Posted by: ♡ Heezus Froot ♡ May 23 2016, 09:12 AM

HO DOR sad.gif

Posted by: dandy* May 23 2016, 06:17 PM

cry.gif

It was Dobby all over again. sad.gif

Posted by: 152chris May 23 2016, 06:48 PM

my h e a r t

it was so brilliantly done though, the emotional ending he really deserved as a character. i honestly thought he would be one to never be killed off though. so sadddd.

Posted by: Chez Wombat May 23 2016, 08:23 PM

OMG NO, HE CAN'T DIE?! I demand Melisandre in to resurrect him STAT cry.gif That's the equivalent putting a video of someone kicking a bag of puppies on the screen sad.gif (indeed they had no problem killing a certain big puppy as well just before sad.gif)

Ahem...quite a heart stopping final fifteen minutes and fantastic to see the world expand so much (and Bran & Arya's stories at long last going somewhere), just opened so much more possibilities.


Posted by: Kath May 23 2016, 08:34 PM

We're almost at the end of a binge-fest of House of Cards and we intend going on to GOT next (not seen an episode yet). If we average three episodes a night - how long will it take us to come up to date?

Posted by: Iz~ May 23 2016, 09:49 PM

QUOTE(Kath @ May 23 2016, 09:34 PM) *
We're almost at the end of a binge-fest of House of Cards and we intend going on to GOT next (not seen an episode yet). If we average three episodes a night - how long will it take us to come up to date?


Just over a couple of weeks as we're at 55 episodes now.

~

Aaaaah, no sad.gif No no no no and yes, it was the perfect ending for his character, an explanation for his name and the realisation that his entire life had been building up to this one moment of sacrifice sad.gif And SUMMER too, that's just evil

The pub I was watching it in, in a particularly cruel move, had the staff sneaking pieces of paper simply saying 'Hold the door' pinned up on all the exits so you'd see about 5 or 6 of them on your way out. Which is savage.

Pretty standard stuff otherwise, the play went on far too long but the scenes with Dany getting all emotional over Jorah and Davos/Sansa arguing semantics over the Northern houses kept me interested well enough. No King's Landing this time so I assume a lot next week?

Posted by: Kath May 23 2016, 09:53 PM

QUOTE(Iz~ @ May 23 2016, 10:49 PM) *
Just over a couple of weeks as we're at 55 episodes now.


That's feasible! Thanks Iz!

Posted by: Rooney May 23 2016, 11:37 PM

Reminds me so much of LOST with the life coming full circle! The last 10 minutes was the most intense it has been for ages. Wonderfully tragic. They got absolutely everything spot on.

Posted by: richie May 24 2016, 09:09 AM

No idea what's going on, but good to see Kevin Eldon on TV last night.

Posted by: Qween May 24 2016, 09:58 AM

You know they are doing something right when the Whitewalkers aren't bringing the entire episode to a CRUSHING HALT. What a brilliantly written and executed piece of television, so emotional and the realisation about halfway through what was happening was heartbreaking.

Posted by: troublepink May 24 2016, 01:19 PM

I'd like to start watching this, but decided to read the book first #geek I'm off work for a bit soon though so I may binge watch the first series then tongue.gif

Posted by: Severin May 24 2016, 11:41 PM

Speculation of plot ahead.


The more I think about this week's episode the more I think it has laid out the path for the whole show from beginning to end.
Bran is going to be the single most important character in the whole show because his ability to make connections with , and influence past events has massive ramifications for the whole history of Westeros. Was the building of the wall and Aery's madness down to Bran? Is the whole thing one big causal loop?

Posted by: Joe. May 25 2016, 09:42 AM

Ramsey Bolton is one of the most well built TV villains of all times I think. Joffrey was probably just as evil, but the way they've shown Ramsey come into power has been really well executed in my opinion.

I hate him SO MUCH.

Posted by: Severin May 25 2016, 10:49 PM

QUOTE(Joe. @ May 25 2016, 10:42 AM) *
Ramsey Bolton is one of the most well built TV villains of all times I think. Joffrey was probably just as evil, but the way they've shown Ramsey come into power has been really well executed in my opinion.

I hate him SO MUCH.

I hate him too, but for different reasons.

He's nearly but not quite, dragging the show down in every scene he's in.

Personally for me he's far too 2 dimensional and really rather boring now. He's a sadist. We know that, but every scene he's in these days simply reinforces that point. There's never any explanation of why or what motivates him. He's just one scene short of being a moustache twirling, cackling, cartoon character. He got boring after one season.
The whole scene with Walda and the dogs told us NOTHING that we couldn't have had in 2 lines of dialogue, and nothing about Ramsey that we didn't already know. It was an attempt at shock value for the sake of it

For me he's the worst thing in GOT. And I mean no disrespect to the actor. He's great in the role but the material, whilst well written, is poorly conceived.

The sooner this distraction is gone and we can push the story in more interesting directions, the better.

Joffrey on the other hand was much more complex and human. He was cruel, sadistic and irrational, bold and impulsive and yet also pathetic, naive, easilt led and weak. Pretty much an accurate example of what a spolit child with absolute power would be.

Posted by: Iz~ May 30 2016, 03:41 PM

Pretty decent quiet episode this week, it's just moving things around but they're good things, and I'm very impressed that they didn't succumb to the temptation of killing off even one character this week. Particularly with the tense King's Landing scenes and Arya's bits (where it FINALLY seems to be going somewhere, hurrah). Dany's speech was a bit of a repeat of episode 4's one but otherwise, all fairly standard stuff, even with an episode like this it still feels like more is happening than corresponding ones last season.

Jaime at Riverrun is finally happening, I was scared it wouldn't, that is a good part in the books up to where I've read, I hope it ends badly for Walder Frey - enjoyed seeing him and Edmure back. And Benjen coming back as well, it did make sense as he's the ONLY non-WW character up there with Bran and Meera now. Lots of nice loose ends getting tied up.

Posted by: Severin May 30 2016, 05:23 PM

So Benjen Stark IS Coldhands (minus the elk). That's another popular book theory proved - at least in show terms.


Also, another timely reminder of the Brotherhood Without Banners and with Brienne off to the Riverlands things could well be converging plotwise to bringing a much hoped for book character to the show!


On the whole though the episode was a period of quiet reflection and a measured moving of players around the board as we gear up for the home stretch.
Danaerys need a 1000 ships eh? Luckily that's exactly what the Greyjoy's promised to build.
And is it just me or is Drogon f**king MASSIVE now?

Hoping for The Broken Man to be who we expect next week.

Posted by: burbe May 30 2016, 09:54 PM

QUOTE(Severin @ May 30 2016, 06:23 PM) *
Also, another timely reminder of the Brotherhood Without Banners and with Brienne off to the Riverlands things could well be converging plotwise to bringing a much hoped for book character to the show!


I really hope so! I would LOVE their return!

Posted by: Chez Wombat May 30 2016, 10:25 PM

I wished they wouldn't have left Arya's bit as a cliffhanger and left it at the end, I just want to see her kill that bitch! laugh.gif So glad that story's finally going somewhere. Nothing too exciting otherwise, was nice to see Samwell get more focus and learn a bit more about him, My heart is warmed when I see him, he's far too compassionate for this world sad.gif

Posted by: Rooney May 31 2016, 11:15 PM

Strong episode again I thought. Loved the return of Benjen and a few of the storylines seem to be picking up (apart from Dany's). Pretty obvious right now that Euron will ride to find Dany with the ships. I wonder if that might be the cliffhanger of Season 6, think she will finally return to Westeros.

Best part was surely Bran's vision. I've watched the clip a few times now on YouTube. I picked up on it, and loads of others have - there's the wildfire underground in King's Landing. That's not been seen yet. My first thought was it was a vision of the future. I wonder if King's Landing is about to go boom once shit inevitably hits the fan there with the Cersai trail.

Posted by: Severin Jun 1 2016, 03:40 PM

QUOTE(Rooney @ Jun 1 2016, 12:15 AM) *
Strong episode again I thought. Loved the return of Benjen and a few of the storylines seem to be picking up (apart from Dany's). Pretty obvious right now that Euron will ride to find Dany with the ships. I wonder if that might be the cliffhanger of Season 6, think she will finally return to Westeros.

Best part was surely Bran's vision. I've watched the clip a few times now on YouTube. I picked up on it, and loads of others have - there's the wildfire underground in King's Landing. That's not been seen yet. My first thought was it was a vision of the future. I wonder if King's Landing is about to go boom once shit inevitably hits the fan there with the Cersai trail.



There's loads in Bran's vision.

The wildfire is a clear pointer and both Cersei and Tyrion are aware that there are stacks of it lying around. Either could feasably use that as a weapon. (Cersei does like to threaten to burn her enemies).
There's a clip of a dragon's shadow cast over either Bravos or (probably) King's Landing, Jamie (with short hair) killing the mad king (I still like the idea that it was Bran or the previous Three Eyed Raven that drove him mad). Jamie even appears to be sat on the iron throne even though he stated that Ned walked in as he slit Aerys' throat.
Some timely reminders of just who died at the red wedding and lots of white walkers (burn them all).
Interestingly though there were no visions of the wall being built.



I'm also liking how Deanerys is slowly looking more and more like she's gong to be one of the villains

Posted by: Iz~ Jun 6 2016, 03:10 PM

Well guys, he is back!

I never thought we'd actually see scenes at Bear Island and Deepwood Motte (and both Glover and Mormont are among my personal favourite minor houses), so I really enjoyed both of those, and the contrast in those scenes show just how difficult it is going to be to take the North back.

Riverrun scenes were very watchable what with Jaime and the Blackfish physically and metaphorically slapping Freys around, had a lot of fun seeing Yara have a lot of fun, and of course I'm going to spend the next week in major worry for one certain character.

Posted by: Severin Jun 6 2016, 05:52 PM

I went through the entire House Glover scene thinking that any minute now General Melchett or Lord Blackadder was going to pop up with a 'Hello Darling'.

I couldn't help it but it did make the scene great fun.


Other than that, were just treading water 'til next week.

Posted by: Severin Jun 6 2016, 06:16 PM

QUOTE(Iz~ @ Jun 6 2016, 04:10 PM) *
I'm going to spend the next week in major worry for one certain character.

I don't think that was Arya. I think that was Jaqen. He promised her 3 lives and she named him as the 3rd. He is fulfilling his contract with her and also testing the waif (who fails)
Arya is also left handed and 'she' threw the coin bags with her right hand.

Posted by: Iz~ Jun 6 2016, 06:25 PM

QUOTE(Severin @ Jun 6 2016, 07:16 PM) *
I don't think that was Arya. I think that was Jaqen. He promised her 3 lives and she named him as the 3rd. He is fulfilling his contract with her and also testing the waif (who fails)
Arya is also left handed and 'she' threw the coin bags with her right hand.


Ah yes, I did see that being thrown around. It does make quite a lot of sense but I'm still going to worry. My main reason to buy into that theory is that she was being way too careless for Arya, like she wanted to be caught, I mean, stopping to admire the view and openly booking passage with the first Westerosi she sees? Oh and of course that it'd be quite pointless if she did die now.

Posted by: Vülker Jun 7 2016, 10:30 AM

I like the new theory that the Waif and Arya are the same person.

She's basically battling herself, the Faceless Men cold ruthless Arya (the Waif) vs family driven Arya Stark (Arya).

It would make sense to me: House of Black (Waif) and White (Arya).

Posted by: Severin Jun 8 2016, 01:19 PM

QUOTE(Vülker @ Jun 7 2016, 11:30 AM) *
I like the new theory that the Waif and Arya are the same person.

She's basically battling herself, the Faceless Men cold ruthless Arya (the Waif) vs family driven Arya Stark (Arya).

It would make sense to me: House of Black (Waif) and White (Arya).

Whilst that is EXACTLY the subtext of her entire arc for the past 2 seasons, surely to use that as a literal plot device is far too obvious and rather cheap.

I've always figured Thrones to be smarter than that.

Mind you there was the whole Dorne thing...

Posted by: Severin Jun 10 2016, 11:57 AM

A reddit user who shall remain nameless and who has a reputation for remarkably accurate predictions has stated that 10 significant named characters would die this season. 3 of which are gone - Ser Alliser Thorne, Roose Bolton and Olly.

This leaves 7 to die n what looks to be a major bloodbath.


Don't read the following unless you really want to know as it could be a massive spoiler.

They are said to be Rickon Stark, Smalljon Umber, Tommen Baratheon, Loras Tyrell, Margaery Tyrell, Mace Tyrell and Wun Wun.

Posted by: ♡ Heezus Froot ♡ Jun 10 2016, 12:07 PM

I wonder what's going on in Dorne? We haven't heard from them in a while.

Posted by: burbe Jun 10 2016, 12:52 PM

QUOTE(♡ Heezus Froot ♡ @ Jun 10 2016, 01:07 PM) *
I wonder what's going on in Dorne? We haven't heard from them in a while.


Good point. There's been nothing since the Sand Snakes killed off Doran and Trystane. Perhaps they will ally themselves with Khaleesi in order to get revenge against the Lannisters?

Posted by: Joe. Jun 10 2016, 12:57 PM

QUOTE(Severin @ Jun 10 2016, 12:57 PM) *
A reddit user who shall remain nameless and who has a reputation for remarkably accurate predictions has stated that 10 significant named characters would die this season. 3 of which are gone - Ser Alliser Thorne, Roose Bolton and Olly.

This leaves 7 to die n what looks to be a major bloodbath.
Don't read the following unless you really want to know as it could be a massive spoiler.

They are said to be Rickon Stark, Smalljon Umber, Tommen Baratheon, Loras Tyrell, Margaery Tyrell, Mace Tyrell and Wun Wun.




Loras Tyrell and Margaery Tyrell?! Noooo. Rickon is very believable given they're current situation, it's going to be awful to watch, either way.

Posted by: Iz~ Jun 10 2016, 01:05 PM

QUOTE(burbe @ Jun 10 2016, 01:52 PM) *
Good point. There's been nothing since the Sand Snakes killed off Doran and Trystane. Perhaps they will ally themselves with Khaleesi in order to get revenge against the Lannisters?


Book 4 spoilers:
That is indeed what the culmination of the Dorne storyline was in the books (I haven't read ADWD quite yet but there are no Arianne chapters there so I think I'm okay with saying this), Doran had been planning to get vengeance by allying with Daenerys for a while (he's a long game player, that was his trait and it's why I'm really disappointed they killed him off) by sending his oldest son Quentyn over to Meereen, with one of my favourite chapter endings in A Feast For Crows. Now that's probably going to play out fairly differently to in the books as Doran isn't alive here and main POV characters Arianne and Quentyn don't exist (with Arianne's storyline kind of being given to Ellaria, Oberyn's widow) but I wouldn't be surprised if that's where they get brought back in. No real need to do anything with them for the moment.

Posted by: Severin Jun 10 2016, 02:22 PM

QUOTE(burbe @ Jun 10 2016, 01:52 PM) *
Good point. There's been nothing since the Sand Snakes killed off Doran and Trystane. Perhaps they will ally themselves with Khaleesi in order to get revenge against the Lannisters?

Rumour has it they return in the finale. Personally, I'd like to forget the whole sorry episode

Posted by: Vülker Jun 12 2016, 10:07 AM

QUOTE(Severin @ Jun 10 2016, 12:57 PM) *
A reddit user who shall remain nameless and who has a reputation for remarkably accurate predictions has stated that 10 significant named characters would die this season. 3 of which are gone - Ser Alliser Thorne, Roose Bolton and Olly.

This leaves 7 to die n what looks to be a major bloodbath.
Don't read the following unless you really want to know as it could be a massive spoiler.

They are said to be Rickon Stark, Smalljon Umber, Tommen Baratheon, Loras Tyrell, Margaery Tyrell, Mace Tyrell and Wun Wun.


That episode 9 looking juicy AF!

**potential spoilers, predictions and theories below, with a dash of fan fic**
The Tyrell's downfall has been majorly forshadowed. It's about time they take the fall. They wouldn't let us go head over heels for the Queen of Thorns and warm up to Margaery this much if they weren't to die a horrible death. Plus they were never a BIG house to start with. They were always just there.

Also, fun to note that all the major houses are going into extinction. The Lannisters are reduced to Cersei and Jaime (Tommen will die as per the profecy, Tyrion is exiled), The Tullys are down to Blackfish (any one else there?), we have only two and a half Starks left standing (with Rickon's demise set in stone[?] and Bran a larger-than-life see-all change-all figure now). House Baratheon is gone. House Arryn left in the hands of a silly 10 year old boy, House Greyjoy set to kill each other and House Martell which we could rename House Sand because there are no Martell's left alive are there? So it's fitting that House Tyrell, the one with the biggest army and riches, is set for a major downfall.

There's no progeny for any house, no viable future lines of succession. I think this fits well in Daenerys's long lasting plan to rule the seven kindgoms. Let them kill each other before she, the last[?] of the Targaryens, comes in and rules whats left. I still think that's too obvious an outcome though and there will be a massive twist to that plan.

Which brings me to my little theory that we will end all of this with Sansa as the Queen of LIFE after being crowned Queen in The North, The Vale and the Riverlands and then gaining sovereignty over the lands south and west to them [Cersei or Dany will burn King's Landing to ruins anyway], and surviving the War of Ice and Fire (with Jon Snow and Dany dying for the cause after burning every single wight to the ground). It'll make sense to me for her character development (which seems to be the longest and deepest in the show). It also fits with the theme of getting rid of all this invaders and putting the First Men back in charge of Westeros. Also - if I may - Winter Is Coming: The Starks will takeover. Sansa also seems to be based on Elizabeth of York who was the first Tudor Queen, the new dynasty after the War of The Roses.
#TeamSansa

Posted by: Rooney Jun 12 2016, 11:49 AM

QUOTE(Joe. @ Jun 10 2016, 01:57 PM) *
Loras Tyrell and Margaery Tyrell?! Noooo. Rickon is very believable given they're current situation, it's going to be awful to watch, either way.


Rickon is a goner. There's set photos of a child on a cross with several other people right before the battle. The only other person t could be is Lady Mormont. I thought it was pretty much confirmed though that Ramsay Bolton was going to die?

Posted by: Severin Jun 12 2016, 03:11 PM

QUOTE(Rooney @ Jun 12 2016, 12:49 PM) *
Rickon is a goner. There's set photos of a child on a cross with several other people right before the battle. The only other person t could be is Lady Mormont. I thought it was pretty much confirmed though that Ramsay Bolton was going to die?



Apparently, Ramsey has Rickon killed by arrows and John decides to keep Ramsey as a prisoner

Posted by: Severin Jun 12 2016, 03:20 PM

QUOTE(Vülker @ Jun 12 2016, 11:07 AM) *
That episode 9 looking juicy AF!

**potential spoilers, predictions and theories below, with a dash of fan fic**
The Tyrell's downfall has been majorly forshadowed. It's about time they take the fall. They wouldn't let us go head over heels for the Queen of Thorns and warm up to Margaery this much if they weren't to die a horrible death. Plus they were never a BIG house to start with. They were always just there.

Also, fun to note that all the major houses are going into extinction. The Lannisters are reduced to Cersei and Jaime (Tommen will die as per the profecy, Tyrion is exiled), The Tullys are down to Blackfish (any one else there?), we have only two and a half Starks left standing (with Rickon's demise set in stone[?] and Bran a larger-than-life see-all change-all figure now). House Baratheon is gone. House Arryn left in the hands of a silly 10 year old boy, House Greyjoy set to kill each other and House Martell which we could rename House Sand because there are no Martell's left alive are there? So it's fitting that House Tyrell, the one with the biggest army and riches, is set for a major downfall.

There's no progeny for any house, no viable future lines of succession. I think this fits well in Daenerys's long lasting plan to rule the seven kindgoms. Let them kill each other before she, the last[?] of the Targaryens, comes in and rules whats left. I still think that's too obvious an outcome though and there will be a massive twist to that plan.

Which brings me to my little theory that we will end all of this with Sansa as the Queen of LIFE after being crowned Queen in The North, The Vale and the Riverlands and then gaining sovereignty over the lands south and west to them [Cersei or Dany will burn King's Landing to ruins anyway], and surviving the War of Ice and Fire (with Jon Snow and Dany dying for the cause after burning every single wight to the ground). It'll make sense to me for her character development (which seems to be the longest and deepest in the show). It also fits with the theme of getting rid of all this invaders and putting the First Men back in charge of Westeros. Also - if I may - Winter Is Coming: The Starks will takeover. Sansa also seems to be based on Elizabeth of York who was the first Tudor Queen, the new dynasty after the War of The Roses.
#TeamSansa



Cersei was born Lannister but she is Baratheon by name and so is Tommen so the house isn't quite extinct yet... yet.

Jon Snow should be proclaimed a Stark and King Of The North by the end of the season and...

If what I've read (again from a very reliable source) turns out to be true then you can forget your Sansa theory.

Posted by: Vülker Jun 12 2016, 04:19 PM

QUOTE(Severin @ Jun 12 2016, 04:20 PM) *
Cersei was born Lannister but she is Baratheon by name and so is Tommen so the house isn't quite extinct yet... yet.

Jon Snow should be proclaimed a Stark and King Of The North by the end of the season and...

If what I've read (again from a very reliable source) turns out to be true then you can forget your Sansa theory.


Are they gonna turn her into LSH? blink.gif

Posted by: Severin Jun 12 2016, 04:28 PM

QUOTE(Vülker @ Jun 12 2016, 05:19 PM) *
Are they gonna turn her into LSH? blink.gif

Not from what I've heard, but if you really, really, really, REALLY want to know.... (and I stress it comes from a so far accurate source that I hope and think is wrong with this one)











































Dany will have Drogon burn her alive by the end of the whole thing

Posted by: Vülker Jun 12 2016, 04:35 PM

QUOTE(Severin @ Jun 12 2016, 05:28 PM) *
Dany will have Drogon burn her alive by the end of the whole thing


Oh crickey sad.gif Dany's just gonna burn everything around her and be Queen of the Ashes isn't she? nocheer.gif

Posted by: Severin Jun 12 2016, 04:41 PM

QUOTE(Vülker @ Jun 12 2016, 05:35 PM) *
Oh crickey sad.gif Dany's just gonna burn everything around her and be Queen of the Ashes isn't she? nocheer.gif

Like I said I'm not convinced by this claim yet. Even if the source worked on the the show (which is probable) I wouldn't expect that Dany reaches Westeros this season and I doubt anyone knows next season's plots except GRR Martin and the showrunners, so I find this plausible but mere speculation. But yeah, Dany's gonna burn everything and everyone we love I think

Posted by: Vülker Jun 12 2016, 04:52 PM

QUOTE(Severin @ Jun 12 2016, 05:41 PM) *
Like I said I'm not convinced by this claim yet. Even if the source worked on the the show (which is probable) I wouldn't expect that Dany reaches Westeros this season and I doubt anyone knows next season's plots except GRR Martin and the showrunners, so I find this plausible but mere speculation. But yeah, Dany's gonna burn everything and everyone we love I think


Well let's wait and see. It's enough of an out there outcome and thus plausible by the show's standards. Having Dany burning and ruling everything is a bit of a meh finale though. Surely that's what everyone's hoping for since S1.

Hyped for tonight's episode though, the seeds have been planted for LSH's appearance, hope they don't disappoint...

Posted by: Iz~ Jun 13 2016, 04:45 PM

I was quite disappointed with 'No One'. So many theories dropped for less exciting ones, despite everything we picked up, it wasn't Ja'qen pretending to be Arya to test the Waif, it was just Arya being stupid and letting herself get stabbed multiple times before recovering abnormally quickly, it's not LSH and it was just a few rebel BWBs, while Beric just shows up like he's never been away. And if Cleganebowl does happen it won't be in the form we thought it would. And I could accept the changing of those theories if there were some good alternatives but the writing for all those instances felt flat and obvious. At least Arya's finally going but it shouldn't be an 'oh finally' feeling we get from her saying she's found herself to Ja'qen.

The Blackfish dying offscreen, while probably practical given the actor's age, also felt like an unworthy end to a great character. Basically the only good thing happening in this episode was Sandor being Sandor, and even that had some forced in fanservice.

Biggest disappointment I've felt in a GoT episode in a long while.

Posted by: Vülker Jun 13 2016, 06:53 PM

Whilst I agree it was a poor episode for the show's standard, I interpreted much of what happened a bit different.

Arya's arc especially, it had its flaws, most of which I agree with, but I do believe in that theory that she was battling herself. It wasn't explicitly explained, but it didn't need to be. "A girl is finally no one", he said thinking Faceless Arya defeated Arya Stark. Only to be told that it was Faceless Arya that got defeated. Arya now knows who she really is and who she needs to be, she's staying true to herself. And this somehow pleases the Many Face God. Very clever stuff, and very character defining. Could it have been done better? Obviously.

With the BWB I don't think we've seen everything that's coming from them. They're not going to be only a vehicle for The Hound's arc, they had the nomad community for that. Jamie made sure we remembered well who Catelyn Stark was during his chat with Edmure, and just how fierce she really was, as did Blackfish when he compared Sansa to her mother. If that wasn't hinting at her return as Lady Stoneheart then I'll really lose faith in these storylines outside of the book canon.

I read an interesting theory about Blackfish though. He was killed off, he might've been thrown in the river. In the books, who's found in the river after her death brought back to life by Beric Dondarrion? Who's to say they won't give that storyline to a different character? I'm all up for Lord Stoneheart/Stonefish/Blackheart if we can't have Catelyn back. But that's just a theory, can't quite see it happening.

The whole Mereen thing though, what a waste. And what a cheesy return by Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, The Unburnt, Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and of the First Men, Queen of Meereen, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, Breaker of Chains, Mother of Dragons and Master of Stalling. mad.gif

Posted by: ♡ Heezus Froot ♡ Jun 13 2016, 07:01 PM

It wasn't an amazing episode, but not a let down either. I loved the Jaime-Brienne scenes, I still ship them. I also liked Arya's scenes, however flawed, and both Cleganes' scenes.

I hope next episode isn't entirely a battle, as the trailer suggested sad.gif

Posted by: Severin Jun 13 2016, 07:04 PM

I thought this was an improvement on the last couple, although I agree that Arya's resoluton was less interesting than it could have been and her arrogance in the last episode was simple stupidity.

I'd also like to have seen more Blackfish but I thought the whole Riverrun subplot was ended appropriately and allowed Jaime to come into his own again. With some nice probable foreshadowing about 'burning cities to ash' combining nicely with what Qyburn's most likely learned for Cersei

Thoroughly enjoyed The Mountain and I can't help siding with Cersei

I'd given up on Cleganebowl last week due to how things panned out there and with what Beric and Thoros said this week, on the one hand I'm thinking Lady Stoneheart has been combined with Beric for streamlining purposes, but on the other hand there was a LOT of talk about Catelyn this week. So she may show up and Brienne may yet bump into her. It doesn't look like she'll reach Winterfell before Snowbowl 2016, judging by the preview

And a final thought, we all expect Rickon dies next week but if Davos doesn't kill Melisandre in the meantime might she bring him back too? Nothing I've seen or heard suggest a yes but you never really know



Posted by: Iz~ Jun 13 2016, 07:10 PM

QUOTE(Vülker @ Jun 13 2016, 07:53 PM) *
Whilst I agree it was a poor episode for the show's standard, I interpreted much of what happened a bit different.

Arya's arc especially, it had its flaws, most of which I agree with, but I do believe in that theory that she was battling herself. It wasn't explicitly explained, but it didn't need to be. "A girl is finally no one", he said thinking Faceless Arya defeated Arya Stark. Only to be told that it was Faceless Arya that got defeated. Arya now knows who she really is and who she needs to be, she's staying true to herself. And this somehow pleases the Many Face God. Very clever stuff, and very character defining. Could it have been done better? Obviously.


Interesting, I hadn't really thought of that way, I was too caught up in all my Ja'qen theories that seemed to make more sense. Still not the most satisfying payoff for so much time.

QUOTE(Vülker @ Jun 13 2016, 07:53 PM) *
With the BWB I don't think we've seen everything that's coming from them. They're not going to be only a vehicle for The Hound's arc, they had the nomad community for that. Jamie made sure we remembered well who Catelyn Stark was during his chat with Edmure, and just how fierce she really was, as did Blackfish when he compared Sansa to her mother. If that wasn't hinting at her return as Lady Stoneheart then I'll really lose faith in these storylines outside of the book canon.

I read an interesting theory about Blackfish though. He was killed off, he might've been thrown in the river. In the books, who's found in the river after her death brought back to life by Beric Dondarrion? Who's to say they won't give that storyline to a different character? I'm all up for Lord Stoneheart/Stonefish/Blackheart if we can't have Catelyn back. But that's just a theory, can't quite see it happening.


That was what I was hoping too with those references so to see it not come up in this episode after those wasn't great, there's far too much 'saving things for future episodes'. They could be saving it for the finale, but with everything appearing fine in the BWB camp with Thoros and Beric, against the indication that they had a new leader after these guys slaughtered the Hound's friends, it means LSH can't be out there already and Catelyn's body would be very decayed now so Beric would find it difficult to give his life for her. So I'm doubtful that it'll come together convincingly at the moment.

I like the Blackfish theory on principle and how it would make sense given his recent death but it would lack the motivations that drive Lady Stoneheart and wouldn't be as meaningful sadly.

QUOTE(Vülker @ Jun 13 2016, 07:53 PM) *
The whole Mereen thing though, what a waste. And what a cheesy return by Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, The Unburnt, Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and of the First Men, Queen of Meereen, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, Breaker of Chains, Mother of Dragons and Master of Stalling. mad.gif


Aye. As much as I love Missandei and Tyrion that joke scene dragged on for far too long and it wasn't the first extended smalltalk scene we've had with those three this season either. And Dany's return felt a bit off somehow.

Posted by: 152chris Jun 13 2016, 10:31 PM

I want Catelyn Stark back soO much but i've read that this ep baso proves that Lady Stoneheart is not happening. i had to google a few things from this episode that i had totally forgotten about and one was Beric Dondarion--- in the books he died ages before where we are at now in order to make lady stoneheart happen. and yet there he is today chilling with the hound.

welp.

Posted by: Rooney Jun 13 2016, 11:23 PM

For me, Catelyn Stark is returning. Far too many hints. There was the whole Catelyn mention with Jamie, and then there were several hints that Thoros could bring people back to life. Someone is coming back to life.

Posted by: Severin Jun 14 2016, 05:36 PM

If anybody reading still doesn't know what LSH is then consider yourself warned of possible spoilers




The problem with the LSH theory stems from the books. In order for her to exist, Beric has to sacrifice himself, but the show just presented him alive and well and still leading the BWB as protectors of the people. Meaning that right now LSH doesn't exist. Even if her body was found it would be so far decomposed after all this time passed that you have to question why Beric would willingly exchange his life for what would essentially be a rotten corpse.
In the books LSH is a peripheral figure only occasionally mentioned or featured and you have to question her role in the larger narrative. Now that the show is going full throttle plot wise, and with potentially only 15 episode left to air, what purpose would it serve to introduce yet another sub-plot unless it is vital somehow. There are better sub-plots in the books they've dropped (Dorian's long game, Aegon Targaryen) in favour of streamlining the story.

It seems to me more and more like a lot of teasing but with the show diverting from the books just enough that they could have LSH and Beric together or she's is brought back somehow by accident instead of him, and for that I'm not totally righting it off yet.

Posted by: Rooney Jun 14 2016, 07:12 PM

QUOTE(Severin @ Jun 14 2016, 06:36 PM) *
If anybody reading still doesn't know what LSH is then consider yourself warned of possible spoilers
The problem with the LSH theory stems from the books. In order for her to exist, Beric has to sacrifice himself, but the show just presented him alive and well and still leading the BWB as protectors of the people. Meaning that right now LSH doesn't exist. Even if her body was found it would be so far decomposed after all this time passed that you have to question why Beric would willingly exchange his life for what would essentially be a rotten corpse.
In the books LSH is a peripheral figure only occasionally mentioned or featured and you have to question her role in the larger narrative. Now that the show is going full throttle plot wise, and with potentially only 15 episode left to air, what purpose would it serve to introduce yet another sub-plot unless it is vital somehow. There are better sub-plots in the books they've dropped (Dorian's long game, Aegon Targaryen) in favour of streamlining the story.

It seems to me more and more like a lot of teasing but with the show diverting from the books just enough that they could have LSH and Beric together or she's is brought back somehow by accident instead of him, and for that I'm not totally righting it off yet.


There's way, way too many important characters in the same location, that has been non existent since Season 3 for something not to happen. These characters were put here for a reason. I would put money on something happening in episode 10.

Posted by: Vülker Jun 14 2016, 07:36 PM

I do thing we'll see something regarding Catelyn in episode 10. There's far too many things hinting at it on the show and there was that rumour that Michelle Fairley was seen in N Ireland when the shooting was taking place.
It seems to be they might want to leave it open as a cliffhanger for the Lady Stoneheart to develop during Season 7 where she'll slay all Freys, some Lannisters and reunite with Jon, Sansa and Arya.
With the High Sparrow saga potentially concluding this season (and maybe the Bolton saga too?) we'll be needing something juicy for next season apart from Dany stalling in Essos and Littlefinger stirring the pot.

Posted by: burbe Jun 14 2016, 09:31 PM

The only thing which suggests LSH won't appear is the fact it's been so long since the Red Wedding. Physically, how would it work?

Posted by: Vülker Jun 15 2016, 11:13 AM

QUOTE(burbe @ Jun 14 2016, 10:31 PM) *
Physically, how would it work?


Like this:



Only the R'hollor Lord of Light and Fire version of it.

Posted by: Joe. Jun 15 2016, 11:14 AM

That's one very large White Walker.

Posted by: Vülker Jun 15 2016, 01:20 PM

Haha for maximum effect!
(sorry, I'm on my phone oops!) smile.gif

Posted by: Severin Jun 15 2016, 03:27 PM

She couldn't possibly resemble a White Walker without intervention.

Even in show terms Catelyn died 3 years ago. A unembalmed body will decompose to liquid in about a month. Quicker if exposed to the elements/water. At this point in the show's timeline she is nothing but bones. In order for her to even resemble Catelyn she would have to have been discovered within 2 weeks.

However plot armour throws science out of the window (see Arya Stark for proof), so I'm still not ruling it out! And if she does turn up she'd better have Nymeria with her. I'm hoping those wolf pack rumours are true.


Also, why do White Walkers wear armour? They're dead, don't feel the cold and clearly didn't expect anyone to be carrying Dragonglass or Valyrian steel swords 'til recently.
Do they just sit around doing leathercrafting on their days off?

Posted by: Jonjo Jun 20 2016, 06:20 AM

Well. That was mind blowing!

EPISODE 9 PEOPLE. ALWAYS EPISODE 9!

Posted by: Soy Adrián Jun 20 2016, 01:11 PM

Found the first Daenerys scene a bit off (too much CGI and nothing we haven't seen her do before) but really enjoyed the scene with her and the Greyjoys.

There were so many jaw-dropping shots in the Winterfell battle sequence, I think this was probably the most visually stunning episode so far. The Knights of the Vale riding in was a bit predictable, but I'm willing to let it slide as Sansa's reasons for keeping their intervention a secret were fairly understandable.

Interested to see where the King's Landing plot goes next week. Not expecting Cersei to blow up the city just yet, especially with Jaime still in the Riverlands, but I can't think of what else could go down which would be climactic enough for the season finale. Tommen dying?

Posted by: Soy Adrián Jun 20 2016, 04:03 PM

QUOTE(Severin @ Jun 10 2016, 12:57 PM) *
A reddit user who shall remain nameless and who has a reputation for remarkably accurate predictions has stated that 10 significant named characters would die this season. 3 of which are gone - Ser Alliser Thorne, Roose Bolton and Olly.

This leaves 7 to die n what looks to be a major bloodbath.
Don't read the following unless you really want to know as it could be a massive spoiler.

They are said to be Rickon Stark, Smalljon Umber, Tommen Baratheon, Loras Tyrell, Margaery Tyrell, Mace Tyrell and Wun Wun.

This is looking pretty legit. You'd have thought Balon Greyjoy would have been worth a mention though.

Posted by: Severin Jun 20 2016, 06:10 PM

As awesome and brilliant as we all hoped.

My only quibble Where the f*** was Ghost? He's clearly the most disinterested Direwolf of the lot

Posted by: Joe. Jun 20 2016, 09:13 PM

Amazing episode.

So glad Ramsy got it

However, I get what they're doing with it but would you REALLY be in any kind of smirking mood on the same day your little brother had been shot to death?

Posted by: Severin Jun 20 2016, 09:18 PM

QUOTE(Joe. @ Jun 20 2016, 10:13 PM) *
Amazing episode.

So glad Ramsy got it

However, I get what they're doing with it but would you REALLY be in any kind of smirking mood on the same day your little brother had been shot to death?



Sansa had accepted Rickon was dead the moment she knew Ramsey had him. She says as much before the battle. There's a calculating coldness about her and has been for a while now.

Posted by: Severin Jun 20 2016, 09:28 PM

QUOTE(Soy Adrián @ Jun 20 2016, 05:03 PM) *
This is looking pretty legit. You'd have thought Balon Greyjoy would have been worth a mention though.

Yeah, although it might be because Balon's death is in the books that it wasn't mentioned.


The poster mentioned he didn't want to spoil everything so that may explain Ramsey's lack of mention, or maybe it's not wholly informed


As for your 'what could happen next week?' I notice there's a white raven in the trailer

Posted by: Vülker Jun 20 2016, 10:37 PM



stunning!

Posted by: Chez Wombat Jun 20 2016, 10:42 PM

Amazing (probably feeling even better than usual following the England game!). That last thirty minutes was amongst the most gripping, emotional and beautiful battle scenes in the show's history, I gleamed so much at those last few minutes too. Couldn't have been a more appropriate and satisfying death. (The giant not quite making it through with them though cry.gif)

Definitely setting Daenerys' team and the Starks up very strongly for the final battle. Feels like ages since we've heard from Bran though, I assume he still has a part to play in the final episode.





Posted by: jark Jun 20 2016, 11:16 PM

QUOTE(Severin @ Jun 20 2016, 09:18 PM) *
Sansa had accepted Rickon was dead the moment she knew Ramsey had him. She says as much before the battle. There's a calculating coldness about her and has been for a while now.

That's the most chilling and the most exciting thing about Sansa. She's a cold strategist, almost Littlefinger's perfect student. I think the moment the Knights of the Vale rode over the brow and they cut between Sansa's face and the shock on Ramsay's at being outmanouevred was the most epic moment in several seasons. Total chills.

So much amazing cinematography. Davos stood by Shireen's wood pyre in silhouette, the filth and the blood on Jon's face late on in the battle, Littlefinger's men stampeding on the Bolton army... God, it was amazing. I had to watch the whole thing twice.

Sansa is just my favourite character in anything ever. So much more industrious, intelligent and better-drawn than Daenerys bloody Stormborn it's actually embarrassing.

Posted by: Rooney Jun 20 2016, 11:36 PM

Loved the battle, was more intense than Hardhome, and while the same levels of predictability, I think the scene where the Nights King looks on Jon Snow is awesome and is a better ending than the one we got with Ramsay retreating to Winterfell. What a stunning sequence though, absolute props.

Episide 10, anything could happen. I imagine it will mainly set up Season 7 in all the locations bar Kings Landing. Cersei will be found guilty of course. Many hints again to the burning of Kings Landing..

As for the final scene, I imagine it will either be Arya sailing back to Westeros or Bran finishing his vision at the Tower of Joy.

Posted by: Severin Jun 21 2016, 12:05 AM

QUOTE(Rooney @ Jun 21 2016, 12:36 AM) *
Loved the battle, was more intense than Hardhome, and while the same levels of predictability, I think the scene where the Nights King looks on Jon Snow is awesome and is a better ending than the one we got with Ramsay retreating to Winterfell. What a stunning sequence though, absolute props.

Episide 10, anything could happen. I imagine it will mainly set up Season 7 in all the locations bar Kings Landing. Cersei will be found guilty of course. Many hints again to the burning of Kings Landing..

As for the final scene, I imagine it will either be Arya sailing back to Westeros or Bran finishing his vision at the Tower of Joy.



Nah. Forthe final scene, Arya on a boat would be too similar to Season 4. Bran will finish his vision, cut to Jon Snow. At the moment I have 3 possible endings that could work. LSH, Dany sets sail or given the episode's title - The White Walkers arrive at/shatter the Wall/White Raven/Winter has arrived.


However, that shadow of a Dragon over King's Landing(maybe) in Bran's vision still bugs me
.

Posted by: Joe. Jun 21 2016, 02:21 PM

How many more series of GoT do you think there'll be? I'd like to see them tie it up now, I know I said this last year. I think two seasons would be perfect to get everything wrapped up. I really don't think we need more than that.

Posted by: Jonjo Jun 21 2016, 02:39 PM

Isn't it confirmed that they're splitting the next season into two shorter ones to tie everything up? (Could be wrong but I think that's what I've read - the next season is definitely only 7 eps!)

Posted by: Joe. Jun 21 2016, 02:52 PM

QUOTE(Jonjo @ Jun 21 2016, 03:39 PM) *
Isn't it confirmed that they're splitting the next season into two shorter ones to tie everything up? (Could be wrong but I think that's what I've read - the next season is definitely only 7 eps!)


Oh I did hear something like that. I think two seasons of 7 episodes sounds ideal.

Posted by: Severin Jun 21 2016, 05:02 PM

13 episodes is the quoted but unsubstantiated number

Posted by: Iz~ Jun 22 2016, 10:17 PM

Excellent return to form for the show. If a little predictable for the type of series it is but it had to come round to Ramsey being defeated eventually.

Some stunning battle scenes in both areas, we haven't had three dragons in the air for a while so I enjoyed that part and the battle of Winterfell, stunningly well directed. I didn't feel as much tension in any part except when Rickon was running because I figured out what would happen but those scenes were beautiful anyway. And Davos finding Shireen's toy, and some of the wide shots of Meereen, it was put together very well. On a story note, the writing bringing the Greyjoys onto team Daenerys was fun to follow and I was all over that scene.

Sansa is really coming into her own so well. Will probably set her up at odds with Jon even more than their disagreement earlier this episode into next season.

Posted by: Jonjo Jun 27 2016, 01:50 PM

Absolutely fantastic finale! This season for me, has been the strongest and most consistently good season yet. So many moments and so many stories being tied up and all set up for a huge battle is well underway now. Really impressed with this season on the whole <3 Roll on next year wub.gif

Posted by: Qween Jun 27 2016, 02:25 PM

That opening sequence is the best thing the show has ever done. The music, the editing, the acting, the cinematography, everything was just perfectly balanced and timed for a truly EPIC sequence of events. The absolutely descent into MADNESS this episode brought for Cersei was rather fitting. I still absolutely live for her, of course, and I rather like the poetic nature the show has now taken on board. She was there when the mad king was overthrown, now she herself is the mad queen about to be overthrown. I was a little saddened to lose Marg but at least she had that final f*** YOU moment where she stared at the High Sparrow like ''you doomed us all you old c**t''.

The rest of the episode was certainly the most concise any season finale has been. Almost every hanging thread was dealt with on some level, and it's very clear the show is moving into the endgame now. Dany finally getting out of Essos was probably about 2 seasons too late, but with so many scorned houses on her side now I'm actually rooting for her again for the first time since S3. It will be interesting to see what she does with Jon/Sansa, something tells me the show will simply team them up to take down Cersei, rather than the MUCH more interesting 3 horse race with the 2 'good guys' versus Cersei. The big Jon reveal was handled very well for something which was already widely known and the scene of Sam in the library was amazing, even if it was basically ripped from that Dr. Who episode.

Arya having her big moment wasn't quite as sweet as I think they thought it would be. Yes the line 'they're here' was hilarious and the realisation of what she meant was delicious to watch, but I find it difficult to revel in her violence because it all feels quite gruesome and barbaric. That's not to say that blowing up a city ISN'T, but there's a slight difference there, megalomania/insanity versus calculating vengeance.

Posted by: Iz~ Jun 27 2016, 03:42 PM

f*** me, that opening scene was IMMENSE. The music was obviously foreboding something but it took me a very very long time to figure out what - and then it all came together entirely perfectly, and with 6 named characters dying instantly with no fanfare and just leaving Cersei smirking as the spiritual successor to the mad king.

The three ending scenes all individually gave me chills, the heroes' ride from the East (FINALLY) for Dany, the roaring approval of the King In The North for Jon harking back to Season 1 with Robb, only this time most probably being the real thing, and the culmination of all of Cersei's plans finally setting her up to completely rule. I'm quite interested in how they sort the three teams too, you would think Cersei can't last long, but maybe Jon/Sansa will be pitted against/swept away by the White Walkers so Dany must finally confront them at the end.

On the smaller stuff, yes at Varys taking Doran's bit from AFFC that I thought wasn't going to make it (and making Dorne somewhat worthwhile as a signifier for all the beaten houses joining with Dany), and Oldtown and its library both looked aesthetically wonderful. It's weird in the world of Game Of Thrones as Oldtown is more of a generic fantasy town, peaceful and away from it all, threats starting to show up but not imminent yet, and with the maester school, contains a cabal of intellectuals that would probably be mages or wizards in another work. I guess it's comforting in a sense.

Posted by: Severin Jun 27 2016, 06:17 PM

Satisfying on every level. It pretty much resolved everything we already knew would come to pass and swept the board clean for next year.
It was truly now or never for Lady Stoneheart so even without The Hound et al appearing, (and with Jaime back in King's Landing just in time to be the Valonquar) we can forget that idea.

Now for a frustrating 10 month wait

Posted by: jase. Jun 27 2016, 08:27 PM

Best episode in GOT history.

Posted by: Qween Jun 27 2016, 10:25 PM

I've just rewatched and the GAY COMA from all that Cersei in the first 20 minutes is too much. Her slowly reciting the 'shame, shame, shame' line kills me. I know she's utterly insane and psychotic at this stage but god damn does she make for some epic watching.

Posted by: Chez Wombat Jun 27 2016, 10:58 PM

Wow, where to even begin with that. I think that might be one of the best finales I've seen in GOT's history, much better and more cohesive than last year's definitely. As a whole, this season has been a bit slow and not as consistently strong as previous seasons, but the last two episodes have more than made up for that. That final left questions, but not TOO MANY and wrapped up everything conclusively going into the final season, it was what last year's finale did somewhat lack.

As has been said, the first sequence was absolutely stunning. It's been too long since we've had properly evil, unsympathetic Cersei back, that's where she reigns supreme. All the different announcement of the three main 'sides' were all chilling to watch and Danys' sail with Tyrion at her sie (though a bit overdue) was a perfect scene to end on. Bran's vision and that oh so familar mother I saw coming, but still that's even more they've got to cover next time.

I can see why they're splitting it up into two if they are, I don't know how they're gonna resolve everything but I have trust in the show.

Posted by: Qween Jun 27 2016, 11:13 PM



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Posted by: Rooney Jun 27 2016, 11:39 PM

So it looks like Season 7 will be the battle of the Queens. At some point Jamie is going to take Ceresi out!

Really good finale. I would have liked to have seen The Hound and the BWB, but also ney! We're moving towards the endgame now, but it was good to see all the major players make their next steps on the chessboard. I liked the King in the North scene best, although that opening 15 minutes was beautiful. It was so well shot, just a bit disappointed it took out a couple of major characters who I thought had more to play in the story.

Posted by: richie Jun 28 2016, 09:49 AM

QUOTE
Arya having her big moment wasn't quite as sweet as I think they thought it would be.


It was a little Scooby Doo-ish.

Posted by: Joe. Jun 28 2016, 11:26 AM

It wasn't the best episode by a long shot, even last week's was better for me.

I feel a little troubled by Marge's end. It was quite anti climactic for such a well built and interesting character.

Posted by: Iz~ Jun 28 2016, 11:41 AM

QUOTE(Joe. @ Jun 28 2016, 12:26 PM) *
I feel a little troubled by Marge's end. It was quite anti climactic for such a well built and interesting character.


She was the only one to die in that explosion whose arc hadn't reached a satisfying end but then it was her death that was the main catalyst for the subsequent actions of Tommen and Olenna, so I don't see how they could have avoided it sadly, and the unfinished feeling is probably to do with her being much less of a cipher here than she is in the source material. At least they stayed true to her intelligence and let her realise who it was who killed them in the end.

Posted by: Qween Jun 28 2016, 12:18 PM

To be honest I was saddened by her death, but she never really had that moment in the sun, that huge victory were she transcended her potential and became a truly unforgettable character. I think she's probably been the best served non-core cast member, so that death felt quite fitting to me really. She knew it was going to happen, she was a truly brilliant political strategist and worked her way around so many people. The one thing even she couldn't top was utter INSANITY.

Posted by: ♡ Heezus Froot ♡ Jun 28 2016, 07:01 PM

QUOTE(Iz~ @ Jun 28 2016, 02:41 PM) *
She was the only one to die in that explosion whose arc hadn't reached a satisfying end but then it was her death that was the main catalyst for the subsequent actions of Tommen and Olenna, so I don't see how they could have avoided it sadly, and the unfinished feeling is probably to do with her being much less of a cipher here than she is in the source material. At least they stayed true to her intelligence and let her realise who it was who killed them in the end.


I don't think Tommen killed himself because of Marge's death but rather because he realised what a monster his mother was.

Posted by: Soy Adrián Jun 29 2016, 12:39 PM

Odds on Ser Pounce being on the new Small Council?

Posted by: burbe Jun 29 2016, 07:58 PM

I agree Margarey's death was such an anti-climax - but the rest of this episode was incredible! Absolutely LOVED Arya's scene. I expect we'll see her back with her family soon - finally!

Posted by: Joe. Jun 30 2016, 08:26 AM

Only 13 episodes left have been confirmed. 7 Next season and 6 the season after.

Producers also released this...Confirms some things about Jon's relation to Dany.



And now that the end is in sight, who do we actually predict will finally win the game of thrones?

Posted by: jase. Jun 30 2016, 12:09 PM

I'll be surprised if Dany doesn't win after everything she's been through/the fan love for her.

Posted by: Qween Jun 30 2016, 12:21 PM

Oh I think at this point it's pretty evident that's how it's going to go down. I had some doubts when the field was a bit wider but now it's her V Jon V Cersei and one of those is related to her so that's an easy out.

Posted by: Joe. Jun 30 2016, 12:22 PM

Of the main, main characters who do you all think will make it to the very end?

Daenerys
Arya
Sansa
Jon
Tyrion
Cersei
Bran



Posted by: Jonjo Jun 30 2016, 05:42 PM

I think you're missing Jaime! I really think he'll be in it for the long haul too.

Posted by: Severin Jun 30 2016, 05:51 PM

QUOTE(Joe. @ Jun 30 2016, 01:22 PM) *
Of the main, main characters who do you all think will make it to the very end?

Daenerys
Arya
Sansa
Jon
Tyrion
Cersei
Bran

Well, clearly Cersei won't as we've basically been promised either Tyrion or Jaime will kill her (there's also speculation that 'little brother' could be a reading of Littlefinger but I'm doubtful). She'll come close but won't reach the end


You could possibly argue Theon and Brienne as main characters too, as they've been pretty much ever present since the show began, and are essentially POV characters.

Posted by: Qween Jun 30 2016, 06:29 PM

I'm only 100% certain on Dany being alive, but I'd imagine Jon, Sansa, Tyrion and Arya would be fairly safe bets too. I foresee Bran doing something heroic/sacrificing himself through using his powers to defeat the whitewalkers.

Cersei was never going to make it to the end, but recent events have finally shown us why/how. I expect she will die in the penultimate episode.

Posted by: Severin Jun 30 2016, 07:48 PM

QUOTE(Joe. @ Jun 30 2016, 09:26 AM) *
Only 13 episodes left have been confirmed. 7 Next season and 6 the season after.

Producers also released this...Confirms some things about Jon's relation to Dany.



And now that the end is in sight, who do we actually predict will finally win the game of thrones?

The only really interesting thing about this graphic is that it suggests Rhaegar abducted Lyanna rather than the generally accepted idea that she ran off with him.

Posted by: Chez Wombat Jun 30 2016, 10:27 PM

A part of me still thinks the white walkers will be the winners, they are really the main enemy that all the groups should be worrying about the most (indeed probably Bran and his powers would be the only one that could possibly do something about that).

Other than that, it's difficult to see past a Dany win, especially with the link to Jon Snow so they won't be all out enemies.

Posted by: Severin Jun 30 2016, 11:25 PM

QUOTE(Chez Wombat @ Jun 30 2016, 11:27 PM) *
A part of me still thinks the white walkers will be the winners, they are really the main enemy that all the groups should be worrying about the most (indeed probably Bran and his powers would be the only one that could possibly do something about that).

Other than that, it's difficult to see past a Dany win, especially with the link to Jon Snow so they won't be all out enemies.

I don't see that being the case personally. The ending is supposed to have a LOTR style 'bittersweet' feel to it. The Night King is a pretty 2D villain right now and it no longer feels like Martin's overall story is as inverted as it first did. I don't see their being a huge amount of development for them in only 13 hours worth of tv left.
Jon's pretty much a classic hero trope now, and all the remaining Stark's, Dany and Tyrion have an underdog emerges triumphant feel to them.

That said, whilst the white walkers do have a victim element to their story, there's no meat on the bones of it and a final victory for them would feel like a cheap attempt to create shock for shock's sake

Posted by: crazymonster Jul 1 2016, 07:32 PM

I hope the next one season will be more dynamic... Last 2 episodes were great ...

Posted by: dandy* Jul 1 2016, 10:00 PM

QUOTE(Severin @ Jul 1 2016, 12:25 AM) *
I don't see that being the case personally. The ending is supposed to have a LOTR style 'bittersweet' feel to it. The Night King is a pretty 2D villain right now and it no longer feels like Martin's overall story is as inverted as it first did. I don't see their being a huge amount of development for them in only 13 hours worth of tv left.
Jon's pretty much a classic hero trope now, and all the remaining Stark's, Dany and Tyrion have an underdog emerges triumphant feel to them.

That said, whilst the white walkers do have a victim element to their story, there's no meat on the bones of it and a final victory for them would feel like a cheap attempt to create shock for shock's sake

I can't see the white walkers winning either, there would be no point in demonstrating that they can be killed by valyrian steel unless they are going to be defeated. In fact, with how the story has developed, I think it would be a better story if the white walkers weren't even part of it as they feel entirely separate from the rest of the interplay between the different houses.

Posted by: Qween Jul 1 2016, 10:39 PM

I completely agree, though I've always felt they were an element too far. Perhaps the Bran can change/impact history thing will come into play and he'll just UNDO them all. Deus Ex Hallelujah.

Posted by: dandy* Jul 1 2016, 10:43 PM

Perhaps Winter will actually finally arrive and kill all and sundry and the iron throne will be empty forever more.

Posted by: Joe. Jul 1 2016, 10:54 PM

Yeah, I'd like it if the White Walkers could be dealt with early next season, personally. I am not here for them trying to get their faces in during the main climax in the final episodes of the show.

I always thought the White Walkers were an exciting threat, but post season 4 they've kind of haulted in their development and really just aren't too interesting anymore. I do like following Bran though.

Posted by: Qween Jul 1 2016, 11:01 PM

QUOTE(dandy* @ Jul 1 2016, 11:43 PM) *
Perhaps Winter will actually finally arrive and kill all and sundry and the iron throne will be empty forever more.


That would certainly be BOLD, I'd quite like it though. If only because it would mean BSG might finally cede it's title of incredible show with least satisfying finale.

Posted by: Iz~ Jul 1 2016, 11:07 PM

I'd disagree. Part of my love of the universe is this growing sense of impending doom that they present as a force of nature that will eventually make the (otherwise interesting) intrigue meaningless and that those like Littlefinger and Cersei who are desperate for power are severely blinkered in what's coming for them, that's a pretty large subtext especially in the war of the 5 kings and it should be even more so now. At Hardhome when they made themselves as a threat very clear is the show's best for me, by a long way, through the sheer adrenaline it presented. If I had one criticism of season 6 is that they or the threat of them wasn't present enough, they need to get beyond the Wall very soon to make this final confrontation even more desperate.

No, they shouldn't win, I don't think they have the capability to 'win', they don't have goals in the same way the others do, but what they should do is present enough of a threat to severely disrupt and cause loss to all of the human sides and give the last seasons a truly apocalyptic feel. And eventually it'll be them against Daenerys and the remnants of the other factions, ice against fire.

Posted by: Soy Adrián Jul 2 2016, 08:45 AM

QUOTE(Iz~ @ Jul 2 2016, 12:07 AM) *
I'd disagree. Part of my love of the universe is this growing sense of impending doom that they present as a force of nature that will eventually make the (otherwise interesting) intrigue meaningless and that those like Littlefinger and Cersei who are desperate for power are severely blinkered in what's coming for them, that's a pretty large subtext especially in the war of the 5 kings and it should be even more so now. At Hardhome when they made themselves as a threat very clear is the show's best for me, by a long way, through the sheer adrenaline it presented. If I had one criticism of season 6 is that they or the threat of them wasn't present enough, they need to get beyond the Wall very soon to make this final confrontation even more desperate.

No, they shouldn't win, I don't think they have the capability to 'win', they don't have goals in the same way the others do, but what they should do is present enough of a threat to severely disrupt and cause loss to all of the human sides and give the last seasons a truly apocalyptic feel. And eventually it'll be them against Daenerys and the remnants of the other factions, ice against fire.

I largely agree with this. It would be a bit of a cop-out if they were dealt with way before the end and there weren't serious casualties on all sides. That said, I always feel like the show's human villains are more interesting and would rather than it ultimately came down to them following a devastating battle against the White Walkers.

Posted by: Severin Jul 2 2016, 06:41 PM

Basically agree with Iz too. They're needed for the show's big bad. I like the climate change subtext too. Politicians being too busy bickering amongst themselves to the changing of the weather as the biggest threat to their way of life.


Additionally somebody pointed this out to me recently -
The three main characters to die at the red wedding
Greywind - crossbow
Robb Stark - stabbed to death
Catelyn - throat slit

The three main instigators of the red wedding -
Tyson - death by crossbow
Roose Bolton - stabbed to death
Walter Frey - throat slit

And the circle is complete

Posted by: Iz~ Jul 2 2016, 06:59 PM

QUOTE(Severin @ Jul 2 2016, 07:41 PM) *
Additionally somebody pointed this out to me recently -
The three main characters to die at the red wedding
Greywind - crossbow
Robb Stark - stabbed to death
Catelyn - throat slit

The three main instigators of the red wedding -
Tyson - death by crossbow
Roose Bolton - stabbed to death
Walter Frey - throat slit

And the circle is complete


That is brilliant - I like the extra details I've seen added to it, all in their own homes or somewhere they believed themselves to be safe, punishing them for abusing guest right.

And, Frey learns his children are dead just before dying, as Catelyn did, and he gets fed them, which fits with the Rat Cook legend (another guy who broke guest right by cooking his king's son into a pie so got cursed by the gods and turned into a rat) that gets mentioned by Bran in season 3. Roose gets murdered by someone he believed an ally, like Robb. As did Tywin, although the version I've seen didn't mention Grey Wind.

The other thing that felt like a circle completing was Jaime & Cersei's last child falling to his death out of a window.

Posted by: Severin Jul 2 2016, 11:05 PM

And we can probably add Jaime killing Aerys because he threatened to use wildfire, Cersei actually using it and a prophecy that predicts Cersei dies at the hands of the 'little brother'. Jaime being younger, of course

Posted by: Soy Adrián Jul 7 2016, 08:53 AM

Apparently filming for Season 7 has been delayed because it's not cold enough in any of their filming locations. Some winter.

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